Originally Posted by Glass Onion:

And O No!, check with a french horn player about who can cover his or her solo note for note with simple sight reading. Or ask your favorite conductor. 

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Not sure what language you are speaking but I get the feeling Ono just had her butt handed to her.

Perhaps God has left you and has decided to guide us?



LOL, now that is funny coming from an theist. One day God is real when convenient to blame things on, the next He is a delusion of ignorant people when good things happen.

And now, since an atheist has decided that all Christians can't get along, God has left them and is now guiding the atheists.

Brilliant!

Originally Posted by b50m:
Perhaps God has left you and has decided to guide us?




LOL, now that is funny coming from an theist. One day God is real when convenient to blame things on, the next He is a delusion of ignorant people when good things happen.
And now, since an atheist has decided that all Christians can't get along, God has left them and is now guiding the atheists.
Brilliant!

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It's SATIRE dummy!

Good god you people are dense!

LOL, you are TESTY!

 

Since I'm not a Christian, I'm not going to choose anyone.

 

I will say, that before the atheists and Bill attacked VP and HoD so bad, they worked together well with Invic. Seems the 'vileness' of the Catholic faith is the worst based on the spewing of rants against them.

 

Good tolerance going there Unob.

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by ReleaseTheElephant:

Great...here's another one...

Psychopaths  atheists are notorious for their hair-trigger tempers. They are highly reactive to perceived insults and slights, and throw tantrums over trivialities.

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You know, it's interesting, Elephant: I have not seen anyone react to this silly "definitions" of yours overt the past couple of days or so.   You and your buddy Invictus remind me of the ugly fat kid at the side of the playground who just sits there hurling insults hoping to get some attention from someone - anyone.  Kinda sad, really. 


Now, pardon me while I go throw a tantrum.



Then why did YOU react?  Symptoms right on target?

You are one sick, delusional person.

Yep. HoD, Vic, and Veep did beautiful three part harmony. On occasion, as a non-Catholic who sees the beauty in the Roman Catholic faith, I have joined in with a fourth harmony.  (GO, that would be possibly a major seventh, or maybe a ninth or even a thirteenth depending on the song, to go along with the first,  third (or possibly the flatted third), and fifth, that the others are singing.

 

On the Mormon side, there have been Skippy, Dwight under his many different names, and possibly a third, whose name escapes me right now.

 

There is also myself, GB, Joy, and quite a few others who never argue with each other.

 

Now, to address the new troll's other questions, I am not a fan of Fender guitars at all. I don't play a lot of country music, for which the tele would be most suited, and if I am going to play rock (which I seldom do), I prefer the humbuckers of a Les Paul, or an SG. I play (among others) a 1960 Guild CE100D. That is a beautiful deep bodied jazz box, similar to the ES175. I also play the 13 other guitars in my collection. And my Deering banjo. And my Witcher harp.

 

I have no idea how a trumpet player's ability to sight read has anything to do with the discussion, but if you are unaware of the way some of the more modern composers have used differring time signatures and dissonance to create for instance, the feel of traffic in a busy city, or even the horror and confusion of the battlefield, then I suggest you educate yourself. If not, you are missing out on some of the most expressive music of the twentieth century.

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by O No!:
 

That's easy, A. Just as in a large orchestra, we each have our part to play. The oboes don't often play the same notes as the violins, and the clarinets play different notes from the french horn, but when it is all put together, there is harmony.

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Ono, can you cite an example of this "harmony" between any three-or-more christians in this forum?

 

I certainly see "harmony" between the bitter knuckle-dragging droolers such as Invictus and Rram. You and Release the Elephant certainly seem to share a cup of hatred. But I really can't think of any other Christians here that are in harmony with each other. In fact, it seems that most of you have very little tolerance of each other, much less those who call BS on your silly beliefs.

 

In fact, the only ones who seem to be in near-perfect harmony with each others intentions, beliefs and passions are us atheists.  Think about, Arob, Not Shallow, Dark Angel, Bestworking, Frog, Glass Onion, me, and many others that all seem to get along with each other perfectly fine, without exception.  We are all in harmony with (and in awe of) reality.

 

Perhaps God has left you and has decided to guide us?

 

 

Well...well...well...maybe ya'll should get together and form a "Large Heads" club.

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by A. Robustus:

This aspect of a believer's understanding has always seemed very problematic. If humans can't possibly figure out the mind and intentions of Gid how can a human know that what they are interpreting and doing is what God intends? Especially considering the existence of millions of diverging personal opinions and interpretations about what God "actually", "really" and "truly" "wants" for us and by us, even among Jesus' very own followers.

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Good points. When I attended church, I would be rich if I had a Nichol for every "Christian" that told me I was in the wrong church.

Originally Posted by O No!:

Yep. HoD, Vic, and Veep did beautiful three part harmony. On occasion, as a non-Catholic who sees the beauty in the Roman Catholic faith, I have joined in with a fourth harmony.  (GO, that would be possibly a major seventh, or maybe a ninth or even a thirteenth depending on the song, to go along with the first,  third (or possibly the flatted third), and fifth, that the others are singing.

 

It's a Rhionnian Fifth, if you really care to know... Careful about starting a musical discussion unless you really want to go there.  

 

Now, to address the new troll's other questions,

 

I'll simply assume that you're a rude azz and talking to me rather than question that comment.


I am not a fan of Fender guitars at all. I don't play a lot of country music, for which the tele would be most suited, and if I am going to play rock (which I seldom do), I prefer the humbuckers of a Les Paul, or an SG.

 

Teles aren't country. They're great jazz guitars. Know any of the best local jazz players? What are they playing? And who are the best local jazz guitarists in your opinion?

 

Les Paul? You prefer the custom, standard, or deluxe? For jazz purposes, that is, what's your preference?

 

I play (among others) a 1960 Guild CE100D. That is a beautiful deep bodied jazz box, similar to the ES175. I also play the 13 other guitars in my collection. And my Deering banjo. And my Witcher harp.

 

I have no idea how a trumpet player's ability to sight read has anything to do with the discussion,

 

There was no mention of trumpets. You didn't read your own comment?


but if you are unaware of the way some of the more modern composers have used differring time signatures and dissonance to create for instance, the feel of traffic in a busy city, or even the horror and confusion of the battlefield, then I suggest you educate yourself.

 

Which modern composers? Mozart did that, and he's... well, not so modern. What composer doesn't use art to imitate life?

GO, if you think a tele is a jazz guitar, there is no point in talking to you about music. You obviously googled a few things, but it's plain you don't know what you're talking about. *I* know that as a professional musician for over 40 years, music store owner for six years, teacher since the early seventies, and a luthier since the late seventiesI DO know what I'm talking about.

 

So, nice try, but I think it's time you go troll someplace else. But here's a helpful hint: next time you want to argue with someone, you should pick a subject you at least know SOMETHING about.

Originally Posted by O No!:

GO, if you think a tele is a jazz guitar, there is no point in talking to you about music. You obviously googled a few things, but it's plain you don't know what you're talking about. *I* know that as a professional musician for over 40 years, music store owner for six years, teacher since the early seventies, and a luthier since the late seventiesI DO know what I'm talking about.

 

So, nice try, but I think it's time you go troll someplace else. But here's a helpful hint: next time you want to argue with someone, you should pick a subject you at least know SOMETHING about.

O NO! I don't have to google about music. If you're a local luthier, I'm sure I know you. I also know the best guitarists send their guitars to one local luthier (who is on these forums and isn't you) or else Huntsville. That tells me something. Here's a hint: If you can't name a few of the best local jazz musicians, much less guitarists, you probably need to find a different line of work or at least someone else to discuss music with. Pathetic. And to think, I had hope for you for a few seconds there.

Originally Posted by Glass Onion:
Originally Posted by O No!:

GO, if you think a tele is a jazz guitar, there is no point in talking to you about music. You obviously googled a few things, but it's plain you don't know what you're talking about. *I* know that as a professional musician for over 40 years, music store owner for six years, teacher since the early seventies, and a luthier since the late seventiesI DO know what I'm talking about.

 

So, nice try, but I think it's time you go troll someplace else. But here's a helpful hint: next time you want to argue with someone, you should pick a subject you at least know SOMETHING about.

O NO! I don't have to google about music. If you're a local luthier, I'm sure I know you. I also know the best guitarists send their guitars to one local luthier (who is on these forums and isn't you) or else Huntsville. That tells me something. Here's a hint: If you can't name a few of the best local jazz musicians, much less guitarists, you probably need to find a different line of work or at least someone else to discuss music with. Pathetic. And to think, I had hope for you for a few seconds there.

 

 

O No plays a stringed instrument.

Rumor sez you play things that require blowing...DR.

So, nice try, but I think it's time you go troll someplace else. But here's a helpful hint: next time you want to argue with someone, you should pick a subject you at least know SOMETHING about.

tele=telecaster?

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According to one of my musican friends IF you can play a guitar period you should be able to play jazz on any of them.  She and her father play jazz on ALL the guitars they own. She also said her father prefers a telecaster for everything, jazz included, and has played for 55 years.

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Why would anybody use a Telecaster to play jazz?

The Telecaster, by nature, is a very bright (lot’s of treble) guitar. It has a huge twang factor when compared to other guitars. Jazz guitars usually sound more mellow, rounder, fatter.

The Telecaster does, however produce a very pure even note. The low frequencies are inherently there, just more highs on top. The Tele also gives you a very even response from low strings to high. If set up properly, one string is not louder than another. This is crucial for jazz chord voicings because, you want to hear every note of a chord evenly.

A lot of jazz players use the fingers on their picking hand to pluck, sometimes in conjunction with a pick. Since the Tele does not have a middle pick-up, there is nothing to obstruct the fingers.

They are very durable and also versatile. Very few players make a living playing jazz guitar, so most guys need an instrument that is well suited for other styles and will withstand the rigorous nightclub atmosphere.

So, how do you coax the jazz tone from the Telecaster?

On a stock model, the neck (closest to the neck) pick-up is a lot less bright than the bridge pickup. The problem is that is not nearly as loud either. I’ve heard older players refer to the neck pickup as the rhythm one and the bridge pickup as the lead one. The idea being that, you would strum at a lower volume and switch to the bridge pick-up for solos. You can use the neck pick-up for a jazz sound but, the volume difference between the two is so great, you are confined to it. Personally, on a stock Tele, I have had better luck using the bridge pickup and rolling the tone control back until it feels jazzy. A lot of players are accustomed to never using the tone knob on the guitar. On a lot of guitars the tone knobs are not very useful. Not so, with Telecasters, the tone and volume knobs both perform useful functions.

If you cut back the volume on the guitar, it will brighten up somewhat. Tele’s do that when you cut the volume, the mids thin out.

A lot of players will put a humbucker in the bridge position for the jazz tone. Tele’s are very adaptable to such modifications. They are the electric guitar equivalent of a ’34 Ford to a hot rod builder. There is room to tinker.

 

http://pribek.net/2007/12/28/more-telecaster-jazz/

 

Jazz on Tele

 

http://www.tdpri.com/forum/tel...34172-jazz-tele.html

 

 

 

 

Onion, no, I am not "local" to you, but I have friends in the area. Is it a crime to join a forum in a different area from the one you live in?

 

I really don't care what you think of my knowledge or abilities. I know what I am doing, I know guitars, and regardless of Jennifer's copy and paste, Telecasters are never a first choice for any jazz guitarist. Jazz musicians usually use hollowbodies such as my Guild, or a Gibson ES 175. Sometimes you will see them playing an ES335, but those guitars are actually more suited to blues. The deeper bodied guitars will usually give a much mellower tone that is perfect for jazz. And humbuckers are a MUST. Single coils sound way too bright and tinny.

 

And while jazz is my first love, I also play classical. My classical guitar is an old beat up Aria from the 1970's. It is certainly not a high dollar guitar, but it has a cedar top and a warm, beautiful tone. It can't match a Hirade, but it cost about a thousand dollars less, and for the amount of classical I play on stage now, it suits me just fine.

 

When I am playing bluegrass, I play a Morgan Monroe Bean Blossom. It is a dreadnaught with pre-war Martin bracing, very loud an bassy.

 

I own several Ovations, including four Adamas'. Those are the ones with the carbon fiber top. Those are great all-round guitars that work with any type of music.

 

Other great guitars I have owned are: a 1968 Les Paul Custom, which I ended up trading for a 1968 Gibson Heratige. I also owned a Gibson B25 which was made in the 1980's, during one of Gibsons "bad periods". It wasn't a great guitar, but I got it for a REALLY good price. I ended up giving that one to a kid who needed a guitar.

 

I had a sweet little Gibson classical that I gave to a friend. Gibson was never famous for their classicals, but it did have a sweet tone, and the guy I gave it to uses it for anything he does in drop D, because as you (ought to) know, when you start tuning classical strings up and down a lot, they break.

 

Let's see...I used to own a Martin D18, and then a Martin HD28 (lost that one in a fire.) I had a Guild D18 too, and THAT was a blues guitar.

 

I have owned assorted other guitars, from Sigma to Epiphone to BC Rich. Believe it or not, My NJ Warlock can be set to sound so smooth, it is a jazz guitar in disguise.

 

If you REALLY know anything about music and guitars, we should be enjoying conversation about them, rather than these troll-like "Oh YEAHS".

 

So tell me, what kinds of guitars do YOU have? What kind of music do you play? How long have you been playing? Do you sing? Write? Fingerpick or flatpick? Heck, what is your favorite chord? Mine is A major 13. To me, that chord sounds like life - sweet and beautiful with just a TINY hint of dissonance from the 13. How about you?

Not only my copy and paste ohno, I talked to my friend who I knew would know if anyone would. And yes, I did copy and paste, I googled before I talked to her. And as she said, anyone claiming to know about guitars should be able to play anything on any of them.  So I'd say someone doesn't know everything they think they do.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Not only my copy and paste ohno, I talked to my friend who I knew would know if anyone would. And yes, I did copy and paste, I googled before I talked to her. And as she said, anyone claiming to know about guitars should be able to play anything on any of them.  So I'd say someone doesn't know everything they think they do.

 Why, in the world, do you think O No would give a crap about what you think?

Jennifer, we weren't talking about being able to play anything on any guitar, we were talking about what makes for a good JAZZ guitar. And a Tele is not it.

 

You're in over your head on this one. I wouldn't try to pretend I knew about YOUR business, whatever it is. I don't think you should try to pretend you know guitars.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by rum_mama:

You people will fight about ANYTHING, won't you? Whats a girl got to do to get a friendly conversation around here? I miss that nice Bluetick man.

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I miss Bluetick too.

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Me too. Especially when we are talking guitars.

 

Where did I pretend to know about guitars ohno? Show me where.  Why would I google OR call my friend if I was going to pretend to know about guitars? Seems like it's YOU that doesn't know all she says she does. Could be you're not "googling" the right info. So again, show me where I posted one thing pretending or saying I knew anything about guitars? This is the way you are every time you get caught in one of your tales. So again, SHOW ME. You thought you were going to put onion in his place, but you got surprised. Oh and in case I forgot to mention it, show me where I pretended to know about guitars.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Where did I pretend to know about guitars ohno? Show me where.  Why would I google OR call my friend if I was going to pretend to know about guitars? Seems like it's YOU that doesn't know all she says she does. Could be you're not "googling" the right info. So again, show me where I posted one thing pretending or saying I knew anything about guitars? This is the way you are every time you get caught in one of your tales. So again, SHOW ME. You thought you were going to put onion in his place, but you got surprised. Oh and in case I forgot to mention it, show me where I pretended to know about guitars.

 Guess what ...Einstein..."Glass" is a ...SHE. But then you knew that...Huh!

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Where did I pretend to know about guitars ohno? Show me where.  Why would I google OR call my friend if I was going to pretend to know about guitars? Seems like it's YOU that doesn't know all she says she does. Could be you're not "googling" the right info. So again, show me where I posted one thing pretending or saying I knew anything about guitars? This is the way you are every time you get caught in one of your tales. So again, SHOW ME. You thought you were going to put onion in his place, but you got surprised. Oh and in case I forgot to mention it, show me where I pretended to know about guitars.

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So you admit you DON'T know anything about guitars. So why did you feel the need to post ANYTHING in this converstaion, especially a copy and paste, trying to tell me that a Tele makes a good jazz box? Was it simply an attempt to contradict me? It must have been, because you weren't even sure what we were talking ABOUT, as is shown by your post about what your friend said.

 

As I said, you're in WAY over your head on this one. If you want to make another dig at me, you should probably wait and try to do it in another thread about a subject you at least know SOMETHING about.

 

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