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There is a legend of a woman who had a faithful dog. This dog was so

faithful that the woman could leave her baby with it and go out to attend

other matters. She always returned to find the child soundly asleep with

the dog faithfully watching over him.

 

 

One day something tragic happened. The woman as usual, left the baby in

the "hands" of this faithful dog and went out shopping. When she returned,

she discovered rather a nasty scene. There was a total mess. The baby's

cot was dismantled and his nappies and clothes torn to shreds with

bloodstains all over the bedroom where she had left the child and the dog.

 

 

Shocked, the woman wailed as she began looking for the baby. Presently,

she saw the faithful dog emerging from the under the bed. It was covered

with blood and licking its mouth as it had just finished a delicious meal.

 

The woman went berserk and assumed that the dog had devoured her baby.

Without much thought she clubbed the dog to death. But as she continued

searching for the "remains" of her child, she beheld another scene. Close

to the bed was the baby who, although lying on bare floor, was safe. And

under the bed the carcass of a jackal torn to pieces in what must have

been a fierce battle between it and the dog which was now dead.

 

Then the reality hit the woman who now began to understand what took place

in her absence. The dog fought to protect the baby from the ravenous

jackal. It was too late for her now to make amends because in her

impatience and anger, she had killed the faithful dog. A dog deserving

praise and adoration that fought to save the life of her dear beloved

child received death in return.

 

How often have we misjudged people and torn them to shreds with harsh

words and even with physical assault before we have had time to evaluate

the situation? It is called the sin of presumption. Presuming things are

one way without taking the trouble to find out exactly what the situation

really is. A little patience can drastically reduce major life long

errors.

 

 

consider this warning Paul gave: "See then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22)

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quote:  Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:

An excellent reminder to not judge by appearances, but to trying as see things as God see them.  All of us are children of God!!  Praised be Jesus forever!!

Hi Nathan,

 

It would seem that my dear Friend, Chick, is right for once.   I must call you on your statement that all people are children of God.

 

All people are God's creation; but, according to this Scripture verse, only those who, by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ and His finished work on the cross (John 19:30) -- are children of God:

 

John 1:12, "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name."

 

Isn't it sad that our dear Friend, Chick, knows all of these things -- and, yet, still turns away from eternal life in Christ?  She seems so close -- but, cannot trust God to take her all the way.

 

And, the sad part is -- that her disbelief does not affect only her eternal soul -- but, it has a possible affect upon all who are within her sphere of influence

 

This means that, when she stands before Christ in judgment, which all people will -- she will be held accountable not only for her own disbelief -- but, for all those she influenced away from eternal life in Christ.  I would not want that on my eternal soul.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

John 6-47 - Gods Covenant Rainbow

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:  Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:

An excellent reminder to not judge by appearances, but to trying as see things as God see them.  All of us are children of God!!  Praised be Jesus forever!!

Hi Nathan,

 

It would seem that my dear Friend, Chick, is right for once.   I must call you on your statement that all people are children of God.

 

All people are God's creation; but, according to this Scripture verse, only those who, by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ and His finished work on the cross (John 19:30) -- are children of God:

 

John 1:12, "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name."

 

Isn't it sad that our dear Friend, Chick, knows all of these things -- and, yet, still turns away from eternal life in Christ?  She seems so close -- but, cannot trust God to take her all the way.

 

And, the sad part is -- that her disbelief does not affect only her eternal soul -- but, it has a possible affect upon all who are within her sphere of influence. 

 

This means that, when she stands before Christ in judgment, which all people will -- she will be held accountable not only for her own disbelief -- but, for all those she influenced away from eternal life in Christ.  I would not want that on my eternal soul.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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You would be wise to remember that too!!

quote:  Originally Posted by smokey1:
You would be wise to remember that too!!

Hi Smokey,

 

Believe me, my Friend -- I do take the knowledge that I will stand before Christ in judgment VERY seriously.  For when I stand before Jesus Christ at the Believers' Judgment in heaven during the Tribulation -- I will have more than my share of faults and sins to account for -- without shouldering the burden of leading others away from Christ.

 

That is why, as long as God wills -- I WILL be on the TimesDaily Religion Forum and all other venues He makes possible to me -- sharing His Written Word and the Gospel of Jesus Christ, to the best of my knowledge, understanding, and ability -- with all who care to read it.

 

Keep in mind that Jesus Christ gave the Great Commission to ALL Christian believers:  "Go, Make disciples, Baptize them, TEACH them. . .  Be My witnesses in all the world"  (Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 1:8, Mark 16:15).

 

How about you?  Are you sharing the Written Word of God with all the world?  Or, are you sharing the Written Word of the Vatican with all the world?  My Friend, there is an eternal difference between the two.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:  Originally Posted by smokey1:
You would be wise to remember that too!!

Hi Smokey,

 

Believe me, my Friend -- I do take the knowledge that I will stand before Christ in judgment VERY seriously.  For when I stand before Jesus Christ at the Believers' Judgment in heaven during the Tribulation -- I will have more than my share of faults and sins to account for -- without shouldering the burden of leading others away from Christ.

 

That is why, as long as God wills -- I WILL be on the TimesDaily Religion Forum and all other venues He makes possible to me -- sharing His Written Word and the Gospel of Jesus Christ, to the best of my knowledge, understanding, and ability -- with all who care to read it.

 

Keep in mind that Jesus Christ gave the Great Commission to ALL Christian believers:  "Go, Make disciples, Baptize them, TEACH them. . .  Be My witnesses in all the world"  (Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 1:8, Mark 16:15).

 

How about you?  Are you sharing the Written Word of God with all the world?  Or, are you sharing the Written Word of the Vatican with all the world?  My Friend, there is an eternal difference between the two.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Bible - 66 BOOKS

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You are blind to how you hurt the cause of Christianity. I can't speak for your interaction with people in places other than this forum but you have no credability here.

Be brave and put that question out there to the members of this forum. Ask anyone to come forward who has learned anything good about Christianity from you.

 

Originally Posted by smokey1: 

Bill

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You are blind to how you hurt the cause of Christianity. I can't speak for your interaction with people in places other than this forum but you have no credability here.

Be brave and put that question out there to the members of this forum. Ask anyone to come forward who has learned anything good about Christianity from you.

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Watch for new thread on an entirely different but antagonistic topic in an attempt to divert attention... 

Watch Billie do the Billie the Bully Bump...

 

 

 

Originally Posted by smokey1:
 

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You are blind to how you hurt the cause of Christianity. I can't speak for your interaction with people in places other than this forum but you have no credability here.

Be brave and put that question out there to the members of this forum. Ask anyone to come forward who has learned anything good about Christianity from you.

 

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I think the votes are in on billie banjo's credibility. Around here he sucks

like a Hoover.

 

Bill requested a survey

 

 
Originally Posted by smokey1:
You are blind to how you hurt the cause of Christianity. I can't speak for your interaction with people in places other than this forum but you have no credability here.
Be brave and put that question out there to the members of this forum. Ask anyone to come forward who has learned anything good about Christianity from you.

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Originally Posted by Dove of Peace:

Watch for new thread on an entirely different but antagonistic topic in an attempt to divert attention... 

Watch Billie do the Billie the Bully Bump...

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Billie the Bully Bump...Love it, you nailed it!!

 

Smokey, Bill isn't blind to what he's doing. He's doing the job Satan gave him to do. Have you ever seen anyone any better at it?

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Quaildog:

I presumpt that Bille and ole dire are living in the same skin.

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Originally Posted by Quaildog:

they both will tell 40x7 lies to get out of one the told.

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I've seen several on here make the comment that they know you or know who you are, & they never speak kindly of you. It's a wonder someone doesn't catch you out somewhere & beat the crap out of you.

 

quote:   Originally Posted by smokey1:
You are blind to how you hurt the cause of Christianity.  I can't speak for your interaction with people in places other than this forum but you have no credability (sic) here.  Be brave and put that question out there to the members of this forum.  Ask anyone to come forward who has learned anything good about Christianity from you

Hi Smokey,

 

First of all, I have never started ANY survey or poll of any kind on the TimesDaily Forums. 

 

That is not my purpose in being here.  I am here to do two things:  (1) share the Word of God, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, will all who are interested, and (2) to refute false and/or erroneous teachings pertaining to Christian theology, to refute false teachings which are not Biblical, and to refute cult, New Age, and world religions which try to disguise themselves as Christian. 

 

In doing that, if I have made our atheist, agnostic, secularist, humanist, and other non-believing Friends uncomfortable; praise God!  The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not designed to make folks comfortable in the world; but, to make them uncomfortable when dancing with the world and its corrupt societies. 

 

That is why the "feel good" churches are the biggest threat to the eternal salvation of people -- for they tell us, "Just be a nice person, do good deeds, and that will get you into heaven."  WRONG!

 

All that will get you is tired from your "good deeds" -- but, not one inch closer to eternal life in the presence of God.

 

Do you, or anyone reading, want to be sure you have eternal life in Christ?  Good.  First, to learn how to obtain eternal life, read Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."

 

Then, jump back to Ephesians 1:13, 4:30, "In Him, you also, after listening to (hearing)the message of truth, the Gospel of your salvation -- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise. . . . by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."

 

That "indwelling and sealing" by the Holy Spirit is God's Seal of Approval!   If you have that, you are now a bonafide, assured child of God, a born again Christian believer.   And, NO ONE can snatch you out of His hands (John 10:28-29).   Jesus Christ tells us, "He who believes HAS eternal life"  (John 6:47).

 

Notice that He tells us that the believer HAS eternal life.  He does not say, "Could have" or "Might have" or "Will have when" or even "Will have if."   No, He tells us the believer HAS eternal life.

 

Eternal, no matter how you look at it, or pronounce it -- means eternal, never ending, forever.  Now, if Jesus tells you that you HAVE ETERNAL LIFE -- that has to mean that you have never ending life in the presence of God.  How could it be any better? 

 

How could He have stated it more definitely?  The believer HAS ETERNAL LIFE, period!

 

And, that is my purpose in being on the TimesDaily Religion Forum -- to declare salvation through the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  If that makes some uncomfortable -- that only means that I am doing my ministry the right way.

 

On a forum which has thousands of readers, about 15 or so atheists, agnostics, humanists, secularists, cult followers, New Age followers, vanilla-flavored non-believers, a few Liberal and/or Legalistic theology followers, and a handful of Roman Catholics don't like me. 

 

In that, I am a failure!  I should have made many more of them uncomfortable by now.  Where have I gone wrong?   This tells me that I must try harder -- for I would not want any of my Forum Friends, in any of those groups, to be able to say that he/she has not heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ from me.

 

So, Smokey, please help me.  How can I be more aggressive about evangelism, about sharing the Word of God on the Religion Forum?   I will truly appreciate your help.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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So what you're saying here rainbow, is Jesus didn't get it right the first time

two thousand years ago. He waited a couple of centuries for a habitual false

witness like you, billie banjo, to twist and lie himself a new faux theology.

For the most part, you haven't got the least idea of fact from fiction.

You're a child with a bully blowhard mentally and a severe dysfunctional

and credibility disorder.

 

Asking the question, who the hell do you think you are?

 

Vic, my Friend,

 

You declare, "So what you're saying here rainbow, is Jesus didn't get it right the first time two thousand years ago.  He waited a couple of centuries for a habitual false witness like you, billie banjo, to twist and lie himself a new faux theology.  For the most part, you haven't got the least idea of fact from fiction.  You're a child with a bully blowhard mentally and a severe dysfunctional and credibility disorder.    Asking the question, who the hell do you think you are?

 

Your church must have interesting Catechism classes -- IF THIS is the way you address those who disagree with you on a Scripture passage.

 

Romans 1:16, "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek."

 

2 Corinthians 5:20, "Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us (speaking through us); we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

 

Vic, my Friend, think on those Scripture verses for a while.

 

And, then, I will tell you the same thing I told GD, "You spew, by rote, thoughts programmed into your head by the Vatican" -- and never once have an original thought, and never once attempt to understand, for yourself, what God has written in his Word, the Bible.  The only difference between the two of you is that your source of preprogramming is the Vatican, while GD's is a cult religion guru.

 

And, like GD, you make grandiose statements and claims -- with absolutely NO explanation or proof (with explanation) from Scripture.  In other words, you hope that the sheer volume of your Vatican rhetoric will suffice to prove your point -- even though you have no idea what it means yourself.

 

My Friend, you have a "by rote" religion -- and not a personal relationship with Christ.   But, hey, if that makes you happy, God bless you.  However, I am afraid it is going to leave you in a dither when it comes to eternal life.   But, my Friend, do your thing!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Vic, my Friend,

 

You declare, "So what you're saying here rainbow, is Jesus didn't get it right the first time two thousand years ago.  He waited a couple of centuries for a habitual false witness like you, billie banjo, to twist and lie himself a new faux theology.  For the most part, you haven't got the least idea of fact from fiction.  You're a child with a bully blowhard mentally and a severe dysfunctional and credibility disorder.    Asking the question, who the hell do you think you are?

 

Your church must have interesting Catechism classes -- IF THIS is the way you address those who disagree with you on a Scripture passage.

 

Romans 1:16, "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek."

 

2 Corinthians 5:20, "Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us (speaking through us); we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

 

Vic, my Friend, think on those Scripture verses for a while.

 

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The above has become the same meaningless ramblings you throw to

everyone. Is that as far as you got with the chuck smith Calvinist tulip

cult garden? That's OK, ignorance becomes you, it's you. Carry on

with your counterfeit man made mud slinging heresy. Let me suggest

to you to try to come up with new verses to twist and drive pointlessly

into the ground. Has your fourth childhood kicked in already?

 

 

Vic, my Friend,

 

You forgot to include this part of my post:

 

And, then, I will tell you the same thing I told GD, "You spew, by rote, thoughts programmed into your head by the Vatican" -- and never once have an original thought, and never once attempt to understand, for yourself, what God has written in his Word, the Bible.  The only difference between the two of you is that your source of preprogramming is the Vatican, while GD's is a cult religion guru.

 

And, like GD, you make grandiose statements and claims -- with absolutely NO explanation or proof (with explanation) from Scripture.  In other words, you hope that the sheer volume of your Vatican rhetoric will suffice to prove your point -- even though you have no idea what it means yourself.

 

My Friend, you have a "by rote" religion -- and not a personal relationship with Christ.   But, hey, if that makes you happy, God bless you.  However, I am afraid it is going to leave you in a dither when it comes to eternal life.   But, my Friend, do your thing!

 

Why overlook this part -- too close to the truth?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

 

And, then, I will tell you the same thing I told GD, "You spew, by rote, thoughts programmed into your head by the Vatican" -- and never once have an original thought, and never once attempt to understand, for yourself, what God has written in his Word, the Bible.  The only difference between the two of you is that your source of preprogramming is the Vatican, while GD's is a cult religion guru.

 

And, like GD, you make grandiose statements and claims -- with absolutely NO explanation or proof (with explanation) from Scripture.  In other words, you hope that the sheer volume of your Vatican rhetoric will suffice to prove your point -- even though you have no idea what it means yourself.

 

My Friend, you have a "by rote" religion -- and not a personal relationship with Christ.   But, hey, if that makes you happy, God bless you.  However, I am afraid it is going to leave you in a dither when it comes to eternal life.   But, my Friend, do your thing!

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God is Love... He gave His Son, Jesus Christ, so that we may have everlasting life...

God is all loving... He greatly wants us all to love Him and to love one another...

It is sad that here in the forum. instead of that love which God calls on us to show, we find instead the above from a self-proclaimed Christian...

Does anyone believe this pleases God?

God is watching us... Please bear this in mind when addressing one another...

It is possible to disagree without being disagreeable..

And without offending God...

 

 

 

Hi Dove,

 

Just a thought from the Bible.  You know, the book which Roman Catholics always put on the second shelf of their spiritual library:

 

John 2:13-16,  "The Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.   And He found in the temple those who were selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables.  And He made a scourge of cords, and drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen; and He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables; and to those who were selling the doves He said, 'Take these things away; stop making My Father's house a place of business.' "

 

Is there a larger business in the world than the Roman Catholic church -- with it International Headquarters in the Vatican?   And, where they have their OWN BANK?

 

We do have to wonder what Jesus Christ would do if He were ever invited to the Vatican -- maybe drive out the rich money changers?   Just a thought!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Billie boy spewed forth his hatred of all things Catholic:

 

Is there a larger business in the world than the Roman Catholic church -- with it International Headquarters in the Vatican?   And, where they have their OWN BANK?

 

We do have to wonder what Jesus Christ would do if He were ever invited to the Vatican -- maybe drive out the rich money changers?   Just a thought!

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All that hatred spewed forth by a self-proclaimed Christian leaving no room for God's love... A sad commentary on one's terribly distorted vision of what it means to be a Christian...

So sad...

S-I-G-H....

 

 

 

quote:  Originally Posted by House of David:

BG,  excuse me, I know your above post was to Dove, but I wanted to step in.  Vatican City is a sovereign state, that's why we have our own bank.   Also, catholic charities is the world's LARGEST charitable organization.

Hi David,

 

I agree with you that the Roman Catholic church is one lf the largest charitable organizations -- and for that I applaud them.   And, the Roman Catholic church has been a moral leader in the fight against abortion and the homosexual marriage controversy.   And, for that I applaud them.  But, when push comes to shove -- what really should be the highest priority of any church -- is the eternal souls of people.   And, for that I do not applaud the Roman Catholic church.

 

Works are wonderful.  But, not if they come at the expense of saving souls.  Works cannot save anyone.

 

As for the Vatican being a sovereign state -- that is true.  And, that suggests what massive wealth can do for a church, or any organization.   Can you imagine the Baptist church, Presbyterian church, Methodist church, etc., trying to convince America that it should be considered a sovereign state within America?  No way, Jose!

 

So, the Roman Catholic church being the General Motors, i.e., large corporation, of Italy -- it became a sovereign state.  But, what does that accomplish toward saving souls.

 

Jesus Christ came as the Incarnate God, the Lamb of God -- to offer salvation, not massive wealth.  So, once again, I have to wonder if Jesus Christ would not consider the Vatican as a large organization of money changers and temple sacrifice sellers. 

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:  Originally Posted by House of David:

BG,  excuse me, I know your above post was to Dove, but I wanted to step in.  Vatican City is a sovereign state, that's why we have our own bank.   Also, catholic charities is the world's LARGEST charitable organization.

Hi David,

 

I agree with you that the Roman Catholic church is one lf the largest charitable organizations -- and for that I applaud them.   And, the Roman Catholic church has been a moral leader in the fight against abortion and the homosexual marriage controversy.   And, for that I applaud them.  But, when push comes to shove -- what really should be the highest priority of any church -- is the eternal souls of people.   And, for that I do not applaud the Roman Catholic church.

 

Works are wonderful.  But, not if they come at the expense of saving souls.  Works cannot save anyone.

 

The Catholic Church doesn't say works alone saves souls, you say that

about the church. It had always been Faith plus works is needed and this

doesn't go against scripture.

 

As for the Vatican being a sovereign state -- that is true.  And, that suggests what massive wealth can do for a church, or any organization.   Can you imagine the Baptist church, Presbyterian church, Methodist church, etc., trying to convince America that it should be considered a sovereign state within America?  No way, Jose!

 

And neither could the Catholic Church in Italy this day and time.

 

So, the Roman Catholic church being the General Motors, i.e., large corporation, of Italy -- it became a sovereign state.  But, what does that accomplish toward saving souls.

 

This isn't a sensible question, over two billion people in two thousand

years, how many souls are saved to date of the Church Jesus created?

A criticism of jealousy? 

 

Jesus Christ came as the Incarnate God, the Lamb of God -- to offer salvation, not massive wealth.  So, once again, I have to wonder if Jesus Christ would not consider the Vatican as a large organization of money changers and temple sacrifice sellers. 

 

I have been asked maybe a dozen times to join the Bellevue Baptist,

and every time I was told to bring my last W2. Was that about money

or being nosey? It takes money to run a Church but talk is cheap and

so is your train of thought that never stops insulting, criticizing, twisting

and down right lying. And you can't post without it.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

You are one very lukewarm hypocrite.

 

 

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