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Please don't be distracted by lovesheffield,bamaalumni,titfortat,pilotclub, etc........: There is a blatant attempt by a very desperate terminated secretary who is about to be without a pay check. She is using smoke screens to attempt to discover what "we" know and to aide her potential lawsuit. The more she divulges on this forum and the more we respond to it only jeopardized the integrity of the ABI investigation.
Noone would have the intricate details of carpet, caps/gowns, subs, etc... other than her. Please do not be fooled by her efforts to have us participate in this fraud. Her issues will be proven by the investigation and all the details will be provided when it is time. She is a very sad, pitied individual who desperately hopes to ignite our passion for our children into her own possible defense. Carpet, caps/gowns, sub, (who by the way is a hero for saving our school)- affairs, tape recordings, etc.......... have nothing to do with the blatant fact that money is missing and she was responsible. It is a simple fact and a wating game for the punishment to fit her crime. Please don't succumb to her efforts to entice us with little bits of intriguing information. The facts will all come out and our school will be in a better place. Hang in there, the right thing will happen!
DHS-
I had a son in 6th grade 2006 graduation, ( I agree, Salty - what kind of message is sent with a 6th grade graduation - can't these kids at least aspire to a 12th grade graduation)- anyow, I got a call about our family's name being on a list that received a refund for the cap and gown because reportedly the secretary felt the color was too dark. What a revelation to me since she never told me that and I never received a $21 refund for what I paid. Why she would put my name on the refund list is a question which only leads me to believe she is/was capabale of other forms of deceit. Also, my screen name is a total spoof - if there is ANY school in the Shoals who is not run by a clique of parents/families it is in Sheffield - we are all aspire to the same middle class boat with good sound values - there is no favoritism and no conspiracy.
I had a son in 6th grade 2006 graduation, ( I agree, Salty - what kind of message is sent with a 6th grade graduation - can't these kids at least aspire to a 12th grade graduation)- anyow, I got a call about our family's name being on a list that received a refund for the cap and gown because reportedly the secretary felt the color was too dark. What a revelation to me since she never told me that and I never received a $21 refund for what I paid. Why she would put my name on the refund list is a question which only leads me to believe she is/was capabale of other forms of deceit. Also, my screen name is a total spoof - if there is ANY school in the Shoals who is not run by a clique of parents/families it is in Sheffield - we are all aspire to the same middle class boat with good sound values - there is no favoritism and no conspiracy.
I think a 6th grade graduation is ridiculous. I heard that many parents send flowers and stuffed animals to be delivered to their child at school. Willson hasn't always done this. I hope it is discontinued.
Originally posted by sheilar>>>
>>> I heard that many parents send flowers and stuffed animals to be delivered to their child at school.
OMG! Seriously? I wonder if they got a trip to Disneyworld the first time they learned how to wipe their own bottoms. This type of behavior from parents is the reason why we have a society of "I'm the only one that matters" ideology. No wonder we have so many young people who expect something for nothing.
>>> I heard that many parents send flowers and stuffed animals to be delivered to their child at school.
OMG! Seriously? I wonder if they got a trip to Disneyworld the first time they learned how to wipe their own bottoms. This type of behavior from parents is the reason why we have a society of "I'm the only one that matters" ideology. No wonder we have so many young people who expect something for nothing.
A HERO FOR SAVING OUR SCHOOL???? If this is what you think, then you should sit quietly by yourself in some far off corner and contemplate the aspect of a career change. SERIOUSLY!!!! With all of the turmoil that is threatening to burst the seams of Willson, you have the gumption to say that she "saved" the school? I would like to see a poll on that one! You amaze me in your viewpoints.
I have spoken to the owner of the carpet store and he discussed with me, in detail, how during your three hour long meeting, he offered the school system the carpet at no charge. The school system refused this and only wanted to question him about tactics on ordering the carpet. Then the Board ordered carpet from another carpet store, paying a lot of money, and threatened a law suit to the carpet store owner because he wouldn't hand over Mrs. Berry's paperwork. This still sounds like they were after .
And this sub supposedly SAVED the school system?? She is a hero??? My idea of a hero are the men and women whom are very far away from their families right now putting their lives on the line every single minute of every single day. The men and women who walk into burning buildings to subdue the fires, or to jump from airplanes to stop the burning in California. The men and women whom rush to the scene of an accident to try and save some kindred spirit trapped in a car or a policeman entering a situation where he prays right before entering that he may see his/her family again. THAT is a hero. What she did is not heroism. It is NOT!!!!! There are other words that could be written, but I won't lower myself...
I have spoken to the owner of the carpet store and he discussed with me, in detail, how during your three hour long meeting, he offered the school system the carpet at no charge. The school system refused this and only wanted to question him about tactics on ordering the carpet. Then the Board ordered carpet from another carpet store, paying a lot of money, and threatened a law suit to the carpet store owner because he wouldn't hand over Mrs. Berry's paperwork. This still sounds like they were after .
And this sub supposedly SAVED the school system?? She is a hero??? My idea of a hero are the men and women whom are very far away from their families right now putting their lives on the line every single minute of every single day. The men and women who walk into burning buildings to subdue the fires, or to jump from airplanes to stop the burning in California. The men and women whom rush to the scene of an accident to try and save some kindred spirit trapped in a car or a policeman entering a situation where he prays right before entering that he may see his/her family again. THAT is a hero. What she did is not heroism. It is NOT!!!!! There are other words that could be written, but I won't lower myself...
quote:Originally posted by closet:
Smart Forum Participants:
Please don't be distracted by lovesheffield,bamaalumni,titfortat,pilotclub, etc........: There is a blatant attempt by a very desperate terminated secretary who is about to be without a pay check. She is using smoke screens to attempt to discover what "we" know and to aide her potential lawsuit. The more she divulges on this forum and the more we respond to it only jeopardized the integrity of the ABI investigation.
Noone would have the intricate details of carpet, caps/gowns, subs, etc... other than her. Please do not be fooled by her efforts to have us participate in this fraud. Her issues will be proven by the investigation and all the details will be provided when it is time. She is a very sad, pitied individual who desperately hopes to ignite our passion for our children into her own possible defense. Carpet, caps/gowns, sub, (who by the way is a hero for saving our school)- affairs, tape recordings, etc.......... have nothing to do with the blatant fact that money is missing and she was responsible. It is a simple fact and a wating game for the punishment to fit her crime. Please don't succumb to her efforts to entice us with little bits of intriguing information. The facts will all come out and our school will be in a better place. Hang in there, the right thing will happen!
And when did it turn into "her crime"? Has anything been proven yet? I thought it was still under investigation? Shouldn't you have said "alleged" missing funds by the principal and secretary? So you are trying to make all of this fall back on just her? That sure sounds like what is happening. Sounds very personal to me...
quote:Originally posted by closet:
Smart Forum Participants:
Please don't be distracted by lovesheffield,bamaalumni,titfortat,pilotclub, etc........: There is a blatant attempt by a very desperate terminated secretary who is about to be without a pay check. She is using smoke screens to attempt to discover what "we" know and to aide her potential lawsuit. The more she divulges on this forum and the more we respond to it only jeopardized the integrity of the ABI investigation.
Noone would have the intricate details of carpet, caps/gowns, subs, etc... other than her. Please do not be fooled by her efforts to have us participate in this fraud. Her issues will be proven by the investigation and all the details will be provided when it is time. She is a very sad, pitied individual who desperately hopes to ignite our passion for our children into her own possible defense. Carpet, caps/gowns, sub, (who by the way is a hero for saving our school)- affairs, tape recordings, etc.......... have nothing to do with the blatant fact that money is missing and she was responsible. It is a simple fact and a wating game for the punishment to fit her crime. Please don't succumb to her efforts to entice us with little bits of intriguing information. The facts will all come out and our school will be in a better place. Hang in there, the right thing will happen!
Tit for tat, as well as all the other names you toggle to:
I believe the audit demonstrated without a doubt money was mismanaged - this is a crime- you can call it alleged until you see the final investigative report, but your letter should be a clue.
I refuse to play your game - it takes two people, (at least) to keep this going. As I stated previously, all you hope to gain is knowledge about details which helped the investigation. I won't help you with that- wondering how and what all you are caught with might help you find some understanding.
Also, you seem to believe I am a certain individual within the SCS - I can assure you I am not. I do not work for the SCS school and never have. I have no personal issues with you or any vendetta. I just like honesty.
I believe the audit demonstrated without a doubt money was mismanaged - this is a crime- you can call it alleged until you see the final investigative report, but your letter should be a clue.
I refuse to play your game - it takes two people, (at least) to keep this going. As I stated previously, all you hope to gain is knowledge about details which helped the investigation. I won't help you with that- wondering how and what all you are caught with might help you find some understanding.
Also, you seem to believe I am a certain individual within the SCS - I can assure you I am not. I do not work for the SCS school and never have. I have no personal issues with you or any vendetta. I just like honesty.
CARPET???????
Hmmmmmmmm, during the summer posts the money that was stolen was given to the kids to eat on.
My how things change in just a few short months, huh?
Hmmmmmmmm, during the summer posts the money that was stolen was given to the kids to eat on.
My how things change in just a few short months, huh?
I'm still trying to figure out when parents got to "pick their child's teacher"???? When I was in school, the only thing they tried to avoid was putting "immediate family" in the same classroom -- I had a cousin that was the same age as me and we were never in the same class until we got into Jr High and High School. Choosing your teacher is ludicrus -- if that is the case -- what do you do if one teacher is Hated by everyone -- not put any children in her class? Or do you put the delinquents in there or just the kids that aren't part of the "in" crowd? That is an assinine concept to me. That is why our children are messed up today -- they don't have to deal with anything and are too sheltered by their parents.
And this whole situation sounds like a bunch of "busy bodies" who won't let the situation run its course and reach its own conclusion.
As far as graduation from the 6th grade? That is another "money making" gimmick in my opinion. It is not an accomplishment to graduate until you graduate high school and acutally get a piece of paper that means something and affects the rest of your life! Passing the 6th grade is just a stepping stone. Give the kids a cake and a day off from classes, but a full graduation ceremony? Give me a break.
As far as carpet is concerned...it should come out of the LEW budget. Who else's budget is it going to come from Sheffield High School? Muscle Shoals High School? NO.
As for substitute teachers. I have family that are teachers in the area. They do not get to choose who they want to take their place when they go on leave. They can make a "recommendation", but it is not their responsibility to fill that spot. Many school boards use "teacher's aides" to fill these positions or new teachers that have graduated college, but have not gotten a full-time teaching job. It is rarely a random parent that has "fallen on hard times" that gets this position. You can't by law put someone into a position of teaching for that length of time without them having the proper credentials. I realize that Sheffiled is "small town" at its best in your opinion, but the law has guidelines for some things that have to be followed when it comes to your child's eduction.
I still say "common sense" should have stopped most of this drama before it got started. You can have all the education in the world, but don't have sense enough to get in out of the rain. JMHO.
And this whole situation sounds like a bunch of "busy bodies" who won't let the situation run its course and reach its own conclusion.
As far as graduation from the 6th grade? That is another "money making" gimmick in my opinion. It is not an accomplishment to graduate until you graduate high school and acutally get a piece of paper that means something and affects the rest of your life! Passing the 6th grade is just a stepping stone. Give the kids a cake and a day off from classes, but a full graduation ceremony? Give me a break.
As far as carpet is concerned...it should come out of the LEW budget. Who else's budget is it going to come from Sheffield High School? Muscle Shoals High School? NO.
As for substitute teachers. I have family that are teachers in the area. They do not get to choose who they want to take their place when they go on leave. They can make a "recommendation", but it is not their responsibility to fill that spot. Many school boards use "teacher's aides" to fill these positions or new teachers that have graduated college, but have not gotten a full-time teaching job. It is rarely a random parent that has "fallen on hard times" that gets this position. You can't by law put someone into a position of teaching for that length of time without them having the proper credentials. I realize that Sheffiled is "small town" at its best in your opinion, but the law has guidelines for some things that have to be followed when it comes to your child's eduction.
I still say "common sense" should have stopped most of this drama before it got started. You can have all the education in the world, but don't have sense enough to get in out of the rain. JMHO.
I have no idea what letter to what you might be referring... do you think that I am the secretary? 
quote:Originally posted by closet:
Tit for tat, as well as all the other names you toggle to:
I believe the audit demonstrated without a doubt money was mismanaged - this is a crime- you can call it alleged until you see the final investigative report, but your letter should be a clue.
I refuse to play your game - it takes two people, (at least) to keep this going. As I stated previously, all you hope to gain is knowledge about details which helped the investigation. I won't help you with that- wondering how and what all you are caught with might help you find some understanding.
Also, you seem to believe I am a certain individual within the SCS - I can assure you I am not. I do not work for the SCS school and never have. I have no personal issues with you or any vendetta. I just like honesty.
The "parent" was also a certified substitute. The secretary also had the responsibility of calling in the substitutes for the absenteeisms for the teachers, which would include herself. Yes, you can recommend your subs, but subs are very few and far between and you have to have a sub with experience to sub for the school secretary. That is a very demanding and stressful job. She wears many hats and the sub should have knowledge of the goings-on. It is just very peculiar that this sub was also in the vault, at the desk where some of the "money" was kept, handled some of the buffalo rock money, counted the Fall Festival money (by herself), and turned in monies to Buffolo rock in the secretaries absence. And all of this while her and her husband were supposedly in the middle of bankruptcy court. And they expect everyone to believe that the Principal and the Secretary were the only one's with access to the missing funds? Come on, I think people are more intelligent than that...
quote:Originally posted by DixieChik:
I'm still trying to figure out when parents got to "pick their child's teacher"???? When I was in school, the only thing they tried to avoid was putting "immediate family" in the same classroom -- I had a cousin that was the same age as me and we were never in the same class until we got into Jr High and High School. Choosing your teacher is ludicrus -- if that is the case -- what do you do if one teacher is Hated by everyone -- not put any children in her class? Or do you put the delinquents in there or just the kids that aren't part of the "in" crowd? That is an assinine concept to me. That is why our children are messed up today -- they don't have to deal with anything and are too sheltered by their parents.
And this whole situation sounds like a bunch of "busy bodies" who won't let the situation run its course and reach its own conclusion.
As far as graduation from the 6th grade? That is another "money making" gimmick in my opinion. It is not an accomplishment to graduate until you graduate high school and acutally get a piece of paper that means something and affects the rest of your life! Passing the 6th grade is just a stepping stone. Give the kids a cake and a day off from classes, but a full graduation ceremony? Give me a break.
As far as carpet is concerned...it should come out of the LEW budget. Who else's budget is it going to come from Sheffield High School? Muscle Shoals High School? NO.
As for substitute teachers. I have family that are teachers in the area. They do not get to choose who they want to take their place when they go on leave. They can make a "recommendation", but it is not their responsibility to fill that spot. Many school boards use "teacher's aides" to fill these positions or new teachers that have graduated college, but have not gotten a full-time teaching job. It is rarely a random parent that has "fallen on hard times" that gets this position. You can't by law put someone into a position of teaching for that length of time without them having the proper credentials. I realize that Sheffiled is "small town" at its best in your opinion, but the law has guidelines for some things that have to be followed when it comes to your child's eduction.
I still say "common sense" should have stopped most of this drama before it got started. You can have all the education in the world, but don't have sense enough to get in out of the rain. JMHO.
tit4tat -- it is apparent that you aren't listening to what most of us have said about this situation. There was more than one person involved in this whole scenario. The first person that is going to be held responsible will be the secretary and then the rest of the dominoes will fall. I don't think anyone here has said it is all the secreataries fault. DHS vehemently cried out about the "Protected former principal" -- like I told him -- this will all get worked out...it didn't happen overnight and it won't get taken care of overnight.
I really am beginning to think that you are the "secretary" that got shafted in this whole situation ... you know a little too much information about all the places and things this substitute secretary was able to do -- you know too much to be just a random busy body parent...I think closet may be on to something there...
I really am beginning to think that you are the "secretary" that got shafted in this whole situation ... you know a little too much information about all the places and things this substitute secretary was able to do -- you know too much to be just a random busy body parent...I think closet may be on to something there...
I have seen a copy of the letter, though. It is very interesting. There are many, many descrpancies lying within that very letter. But I can assure you, I am NOT the secretary.
quote:Originally posted by closet:
Tit for tat, as well as all the other names you toggle to:
I believe the audit demonstrated without a doubt money was mismanaged - this is a crime- you can call it alleged until you see the final investigative report, but your letter should be a clue.
I refuse to play your game - it takes two people, (at least) to keep this going. As I stated previously, all you hope to gain is knowledge about details which helped the investigation. I won't help you with that- wondering how and what all you are caught with might help you find some understanding.
Also, you seem to believe I am a certain individual within the SCS - I can assure you I am not. I do not work for the SCS school and never have. I have no personal issues with you or any vendetta. I just like honesty.
I am going strictly by what closet stated. He--and I quote--said "her crime". He did not state anybody else.
quote:Originally posted by DixieChik:
tit4tat -- it is apparent that you aren't listening to what most of us have said about this situation. There was more than one person involved in this whole scenario. The first person that is going to be held responsible will be the secretary and then the rest of the dominoes will fall. I don't think anyone here has said it is all the secreataries fault. DHS vehemently cried out about the "Protected former principal" -- like I told him -- this will all get worked out...it didn't happen overnight and it won't get taken care of overnight.
I really am beginning to think that you are the "secretary" that got shafted in this whole situation ... you know a little too much information about all the places and things this substitute secretary was able to do -- you know too much to be just a random busy body parent...I think closet may be on to something there...
And BTW -- as far as a secretary "counting money by herself" and "having access to the vault" and all the other things you listed...why wouldn't she? If she was hired for a position (temporary or not) she should have access to all of the things she needs to do to make sure her job is done at the end of the day? If they hired her, they put trust in her and did a background check on her before they put her in that position. What do you expect them to do -- hire her to just answer the phones? Give me a break. The things the secretary did every day didn't stop just because she took a leave of absence -- who else is going to do those things -- the principal?
I think you are looking for a "fall guy" and you want it to conveniently be the "substitute" -- no one that I have read here called her a "hero" or said that she "saved the school" -- that may have been posted but I didn't get that impression even if it was -- this lady did do something honest though if she did tattle tale about the situation...just because it was being done that way doesn't justify it ....
Wrong is wrong -- even if everybody does it...
I think you are looking for a "fall guy" and you want it to conveniently be the "substitute" -- no one that I have read here called her a "hero" or said that she "saved the school" -- that may have been posted but I didn't get that impression even if it was -- this lady did do something honest though if she did tattle tale about the situation...just because it was being done that way doesn't justify it ....
Wrong is wrong -- even if everybody does it...
One question that I would like answered: The report stated that the secretary was given instructions to cash those checks to refund to those parents. OK--so where does the responsibility lie, then? If she refused, then she was insubordinate...and when she did, well...
quote:Originally posted by tit.4.tat:
I am going strictly by what closet stated. He--and I quote--said "her crime". He did not state anybody else.quote:Originally posted by DixieChik:
tit4tat -- it is apparent that you aren't listening to what most of us have said about this situation. There was more than one person involved in this whole scenario. The first person that is going to be held responsible will be the secretary and then the rest of the dominoes will fall. I don't think anyone here has said it is all the secreataries fault. DHS vehemently cried out about the "Protected former principal" -- like I told him -- this will all get worked out...it didn't happen overnight and it won't get taken care of overnight.
I really am beginning to think that you are the "secretary" that got shafted in this whole situation ... you know a little too much information about all the places and things this substitute secretary was able to do -- you know too much to be just a random busy body parent...I think closet may be on to something there...
OK, answer me this then...if the parents wrote a check for the graduation robes why were they not just given their checks back? My school paid for the robes upon ordering them, not upon reciept of them and then the parents reimbursed the school for the purchase. Therefore, when the robes were wrong, the parents payment should have not have been cashed yet. They should have been able to have given a voided check back instead.
LOL... Sorry but I had to respond to some of the things being said on here just one more time.
I can promise you that I AM NOT THE SECRETARY, I do know her as I am sure that many of you on here do!
As far as "hero" being the sub that tattled... oh my get real! She is far from a hero, she is a trouble maker and she SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED BACK AT LEW TO SUB!!! But guess what she is... as far as her being chosen to sub for the secretary, she basically told her business and how she needed the work in order to crawl out of her personal financial problems, Lisa I believe felt sorry for her and anyone who had come into a problem. Lisa was not a cold hearted person, she is human and has feelings as well. (do you all not have feelings?)
The sub got the "click" involved who took it upon themselves to fight for "Justice" okay what ever I say. The "click" wanted Napier and Berry out of there PERIOD!
How do I know all of this you ask... well I am the one person that is on the outside that EVERYONE loves to tell their business to also as I said earlier I have been at LEW in and out since before Napier and Berry were ever on the scene. I guess you can say I am from the Johnny Wright period and have been every since!
But let me ask YOU ALL something.... if it were YOU in Mrs. Napier and especially Lisa's place-
WOULD you want to have people LIKE YOU on here tearing you to shreds?
Let's put it this way- you all can judge her on what YOU and others want to think she has done, but ONE day she will have to answer for her own self to only ONE JUDGE from above!
As I said earlier, I hope you all have a WONDERFUL Holiday season and MAY GOD BE WITH YOU ALL!
I can promise you that I AM NOT THE SECRETARY, I do know her as I am sure that many of you on here do!
As far as "hero" being the sub that tattled... oh my get real! She is far from a hero, she is a trouble maker and she SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED BACK AT LEW TO SUB!!! But guess what she is... as far as her being chosen to sub for the secretary, she basically told her business and how she needed the work in order to crawl out of her personal financial problems, Lisa I believe felt sorry for her and anyone who had come into a problem. Lisa was not a cold hearted person, she is human and has feelings as well. (do you all not have feelings?)
The sub got the "click" involved who took it upon themselves to fight for "Justice" okay what ever I say. The "click" wanted Napier and Berry out of there PERIOD!
How do I know all of this you ask... well I am the one person that is on the outside that EVERYONE loves to tell their business to also as I said earlier I have been at LEW in and out since before Napier and Berry were ever on the scene. I guess you can say I am from the Johnny Wright period and have been every since!
But let me ask YOU ALL something.... if it were YOU in Mrs. Napier and especially Lisa's place-
WOULD you want to have people LIKE YOU on here tearing you to shreds?
Let's put it this way- you all can judge her on what YOU and others want to think she has done, but ONE day she will have to answer for her own self to only ONE JUDGE from above!
As I said earlier, I hope you all have a WONDERFUL Holiday season and MAY GOD BE WITH YOU ALL!
Yea her "once a month" visit seems to be a ruse...
My daughter attended LEW from 3rd to 6th grade and me being new to the area I was really appalled and what certain parents were allowed to do as far as picking teachers, etc. The same kids got into the same classes of the preferred teachers each year. I'm sure this was difficult for the "unpopular" teachers to swallow, as well as setting up a class system of students in each grade, where all of the same higher income, more influential families stayed together. Board members kids were given obvious special treatment up until just a couple of years ago when I know that one certain board member who expressed her unhappiness -to ME- was very agitated when Mrs. Napier had told her that she was no longer going to honor the parental requests-from ANY parents. Things seemed to go downhill quickly for Mrs. Napier after that point.
As far as money and petty cash goes, I thought it was completely mishandled-because NO-ONE seemed to want the responsiblity of taking care of it. For example: When my daughter was in 6th grade-the 6th grade students ran a store after school where other kids could buy candy and drinks, etc. These kids picked up the money from the office took it to the "store" and set up-then brought the money back-usually unsupervised. My daughter worked this store one time and told me that they had to watch because students would reach over and try and take money out of the cashbox that the KIDS were manning, or steal candy that was in easy reach over the counter. That was the ONLY time my daughter was allowed to work at the student store. I knew that was asking for trouble that she shouldn't be responsible for. I cannot imagine how much money and items dissappeared as a result of letting a bunch of kids be in charge of the "store". I doubt the secretary purposely stole anything, I think the year my daughter was in 6th grade the secretary was not even IN the office 75% of the year because of deaths in her family and illnesses, making HER subs in charge of petty cash when she was out. But as far as responsibility goes, if you are totally indifferent to how things are handled or allow money to be mishandled then you are ultimately going to pay for your irresponsiblity. That's a hard lesson to learn, particularly for Mrs. Napier, if she thought she could count on her staff to take care of day to day items, like handling petty cash, etc. I loved Mrs. Napier, I knew alot of parents influential and otherwise who did not like Mary because she wouldn't back down from what she felt was right. I feel like ultimately her own staff let her down. I hope she can continue to work in the school system, she is an asset for our children.
As far as money and petty cash goes, I thought it was completely mishandled-because NO-ONE seemed to want the responsiblity of taking care of it. For example: When my daughter was in 6th grade-the 6th grade students ran a store after school where other kids could buy candy and drinks, etc. These kids picked up the money from the office took it to the "store" and set up-then brought the money back-usually unsupervised. My daughter worked this store one time and told me that they had to watch because students would reach over and try and take money out of the cashbox that the KIDS were manning, or steal candy that was in easy reach over the counter. That was the ONLY time my daughter was allowed to work at the student store. I knew that was asking for trouble that she shouldn't be responsible for. I cannot imagine how much money and items dissappeared as a result of letting a bunch of kids be in charge of the "store". I doubt the secretary purposely stole anything, I think the year my daughter was in 6th grade the secretary was not even IN the office 75% of the year because of deaths in her family and illnesses, making HER subs in charge of petty cash when she was out. But as far as responsibility goes, if you are totally indifferent to how things are handled or allow money to be mishandled then you are ultimately going to pay for your irresponsiblity. That's a hard lesson to learn, particularly for Mrs. Napier, if she thought she could count on her staff to take care of day to day items, like handling petty cash, etc. I loved Mrs. Napier, I knew alot of parents influential and otherwise who did not like Mary because she wouldn't back down from what she felt was right. I feel like ultimately her own staff let her down. I hope she can continue to work in the school system, she is an asset for our children.
I agree - her once a month name forgets what the other names have said. Though it seems we all know her game, if anyone is interested they can look at the beginners of each and every post oon this topic. It is her. Her desperation in dropping these tidbits of information are only jeopardizing the integrity of the investigation. I think I'll contact some hall of famers to see if this can be shut down. We are well past the opinion phase of this, now she is using us.
I was never "appaled" that parents could be involved in teacher requests in Sheffield. Whether the request is made in a positive manner - requesting a certain teacher, or a negative manner - requesting NOT a certain teacher.
I attended a public meeting in the LEW auditorium with the former principal, asst. principal, guidance counselor, and a representative from the state.
The grouping of students was discussed thoroughlly and all were in agreement regarding requests whether in positive or negative form- a paper was sent home and requests were considered. About 25 families attended the public meeting - about 10% of families requested specific teachers. I don't think this practice is a "policy", but it is done regularly at every school.
Facts are that though some teachers reach highly qualified certification and are tenured, many don't enjoy teaching, are awating retirement, or have styles of teaching which might not be appropriate for certain kinds of children - (special needs, structure)-- I don't think as some would lead you to believe that this was any big secret in Sheffield or controlled by an inner circle of parents -I have found that ANY parent is invited to be involved in Sheffield and is listened to equally.
Sheffield is certainly not the only school to visit ideas of grouping GT students, spreading them out, inclusion for special ed, etc....
The former secretary would have you believe this school was a constant scandal - this is simply not true. What is true is that money was found to be missing - all the rest of this discussion is a distraction.
I attended a public meeting in the LEW auditorium with the former principal, asst. principal, guidance counselor, and a representative from the state.
The grouping of students was discussed thoroughlly and all were in agreement regarding requests whether in positive or negative form- a paper was sent home and requests were considered. About 25 families attended the public meeting - about 10% of families requested specific teachers. I don't think this practice is a "policy", but it is done regularly at every school.
Facts are that though some teachers reach highly qualified certification and are tenured, many don't enjoy teaching, are awating retirement, or have styles of teaching which might not be appropriate for certain kinds of children - (special needs, structure)-- I don't think as some would lead you to believe that this was any big secret in Sheffield or controlled by an inner circle of parents -I have found that ANY parent is invited to be involved in Sheffield and is listened to equally.
Sheffield is certainly not the only school to visit ideas of grouping GT students, spreading them out, inclusion for special ed, etc....
The former secretary would have you believe this school was a constant scandal - this is simply not true. What is true is that money was found to be missing - all the rest of this discussion is a distraction.
Could someone familiar with the placement of certain children to certain classrooms please explain to me why, instead of hiring another special ed teacher, they decided to incorporate the special ed children into the classrooms with the brightest students for parts of the day? Evidently it's not working very well. I feel so bad for the teachers who are trying to teach so many levels of learning at the same time. Nobody wins in a situation like that.
Salty-
Don't know if budget cuts got us there, too - or not, but the guidance counselor or the special ed coordinator at the board would know for sure. My child is in a very mixed classroom and the teacher is really stretched - fortunately she seems to think of it as an opportunity to use all her skills
. Sheffield has some awesome teachers!- Hats off to them for dealing with the range of students we have, plus discipline problems without ISS as a tool. I think the idea is inclusion and many of the parents of special needs children are in favor of it. Would be ideal if we could afford aides in the classrooms. I understand that all students are entitled to a free and appropriate public education, just wish everyone could afford to provide that.
Don't know if budget cuts got us there, too - or not, but the guidance counselor or the special ed coordinator at the board would know for sure. My child is in a very mixed classroom and the teacher is really stretched - fortunately she seems to think of it as an opportunity to use all her skills
. Sheffield has some awesome teachers!- Hats off to them for dealing with the range of students we have, plus discipline problems without ISS as a tool. I think the idea is inclusion and many of the parents of special needs children are in favor of it. Would be ideal if we could afford aides in the classrooms. I understand that all students are entitled to a free and appropriate public education, just wish everyone could afford to provide that.
Thank you, closet. I agree that it would be great to see paid aides in the classroom, but I would first hope they can afford to adequately staff the actual teaching positions (like another Special Ed teacher). Inclusion is a good thing except when it starts to hinder the learning environment for the children. Even the parents of the learning disabled children ought to understand that. It seems like they would want teachers for their children who weren't strectched in so many directions and could focus on their specific needs. I agree about the wonderful teachers here in Sheffield. My kids have had nothing but good experiences thus far.
Isnt inclusion a state mandate?
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>>>Isnt inclusion a state mandate?
I don't know, but this is the first time they have ever done this at Willson. At least that's what I was told.
>>>Isnt inclusion a state mandate?
I don't know, but this is the first time they have ever done this at Willson. At least that's what I was told.
Inclusion has been a state mandate for many years - possibly a federal one.
Salty dog, it is called co-teaching and it works well if done correctly. The idea is to put special education students, who at one time were sent out of the classroom or went to their own classroom for the entire day, back into the regular rotation of classes. The intervention teacher, special education teacher in our day, goes into the classroom with the class and works in a joint effort with the teacher. The key to making this work is training for BOTH TEACHERS. As an elementary principal, we do not put the intervention kids in with the top class but we do put them in with a middle level classroom. It has worked well for us. Again, training and true, co-teaching is the key. It CANNOT be a one way street where the regular teacher teaches and the intervention teacher is nothing more than an aide.
Thanks, alabama mike, for the helpful information. Has your school been doing this for quite some time, and is it working well? In the beginning, we were told this was only going to be done this way for this year initially, and if it didn't work, things would go back to the way they were done previously. I'm not sure if they are planning to continue doing it next year. If it's a law, I wonder why we've never seen it done this way until now. Maybe they have been doing something similiar that I am not aware of.
quote:Originally posted by alabama mike:
Salty dog, it is called co-teaching and it works well if done correctly. The idea is to put special education students, who at one time were sent out of the classroom or went to their own classroom for the entire day, back into the regular rotation of classes. The intervention teacher, special education teacher in our day, goes into the classroom with the class and works in a joint effort with the teacher. The key to making this work is training for BOTH TEACHERS. As an elementary principal, we do not put the intervention kids in with the top class but we do put them in with a middle level classroom. It has worked well for us. Again, training and true, co-teaching is the key. It CANNOT be a one way street where the regular teacher teaches and the intervention teacher is nothing more than an aide.
I have one concern with your post...you said you don't put the special ed kids in with the top class...I would hope that you aren't separating kids by their "education level" -- that insinuates to me that if the special ed kids are in my kids class then you consider my kid "middle level". If the parents weren't allowed to choose the teachers -- I doubt this "integration into the classroom" would be into the "middle level". And in elementary, all kids should be treated equally -- correct?
I'm playing devil's advocate on this one...but as an elementary principal you have stated something that could majorly bite you in the rear end here...
When I was in elementary school, there were certain classes during the day that the special ed kids would come in, but they spent most of it separate. When I got to high school, it was the same. So I agree it has been a mandate for some time...Had those kids not been integrated, many of us never would have learned sign language or would have a heart to help those that are challenged to have a better life...
Allowing the parents to choose the teachers -- couldn't that be viewed as a form of segregation? or even discrimination?
Here we go on another one of Sheffield's great idea's... They hire a NON CERTIFIED special education teacher to hold more than the state mandated 21 special education files. If I am informed correctly, she, he3rself holds 28. The other special education teacher holds close to 36. This is not only taking away any kind of personalization to the students they are SUPPOSED to be teaching, but they are overloaded themselves. This causes numerous mistakes and paperwork infractions that the State Department will surely find. But, they are not being monitored this year, ARE THEY?? They think they can slide between the lines this year and try to correct the errors before the SDE comes back in on monitoring. The special education teacher that is at the school has been to the AEA, the Superintendent, and to others about the illegal number of case files that she is holding. The answer from the Super was to allow the Special ed coordinator do some of the case files for the two teachers. This is also an illegal act. He does not have an "educational interest" in the child's day to day activities. How can he write, implement, and coordinate an IEP when he is not even on campus? It just amazes me how Sheffield gets away with things such as this! And then they expect everyone to believe them about other happenings? Ha ha ha.
quote:Originally posted by alabama mike:
Salty dog, it is called co-teaching and it works well if done correctly. The idea is to put special education students, who at one time were sent out of the classroom or went to their own classroom for the entire day, back into the regular rotation of classes. The intervention teacher, special education teacher in our day, goes into the classroom with the class and works in a joint effort with the teacher. The key to making this work is training for BOTH TEACHERS. As an elementary principal, we do not put the intervention kids in with the top class but we do put them in with a middle level classroom. It has worked well for us. Again, training and true, co-teaching is the key. It CANNOT be a one way street where the regular teacher teaches and the intervention teacher is nothing more than an aide.
If you could prove they hire NON certified teachers for Special Ed, then they could be in trouble. Special Ed teachers have to be HIGHLY certified to work with a special group. They have to have College just like a regular teacher and some even get their Masters in Special Ed.
The only time I know of that a teacher for Special ed is anything BUT certified is if they are substitutes.
The only time I know of that a teacher for Special ed is anything BUT certified is if they are substitutes.
Yes, tit4tat, there's got to be someone somewhere who would be VERY interested in knowing some of this information if what you say is factual. Go to the federal level if you have to.
Kindred--these are VERY factual statements. I can tell you a whole lot more, but I can't for other obligatory reasons that I cannot state. One thing that I can tell you though, the teacher IS a general education teacher whom is in the process of becoming a special teacher by being emergency certified. But the catch to that is that she was emergency certified last year at the high school. The law states that you can only be emergency certified for ONE YEAR!!! IF you are certified longer than that, then there has to be falsfied paperwork in the mix somewhere. From the info given to me, she is trying very hard, but she is overwhelmed.
quote:Originally posted by Kindred:
If you could prove they hire NON certified teachers for Special Ed, then they could be in trouble. Special Ed teachers have to be HIGHLY certified to work with a special group. They have to have College just like a regular teacher and some even get their Masters in Special Ed.
The only time I know of that a teacher for Special ed is anything BUT certified is if they are substitutes.
Don't worry, it is another one of those things that Sheffield is going to have on their plate....
quote:Originally posted by SaltyDog:
Yes, tit4tat, there's got to be someone somewhere who would be VERY interested in knowing some of this information if what you say is factual. Go to the federal level if you have to.
It's amazing that this forum was quiet for a few days and tit4tat came up with ANOTHER issue to get attention again. You can count on tit4, bamaalumni or one of the other personas to stir the pot with something.
Obviously, it worked!
Obviously, it worked!
No notdmbazdrt, you are wrong!! It's not something else to keep this post going. It's just plain facts!! If you just keep listening and watching what is going on with Sheffield School System you will find out like everyone else ALL the underhanded things that they are doing. Yes, it affects the children and all the children that attend the school system. We are the ones that care about the children of the school system. Not closet, dixiechix, and many others that want to fool you into thinking that we have something against the powers to be of the system. It's just the powers that be are completely destroying the school system. Never before has Sheffield School System been in such disray. Just by 2 people that want to call themselves Asst.Superindentent and Superindentent. Just keep listening to all of it and trust me it won't just be about a Secretary and a Principal. There problems go alot deeper than that.
notdmbazdrt -- could pilotclub be another persona for your friend???? hmmmm
My intentions with this forum are not to mislead anyone and I've done my best to make sure others can't mislead either. Just becasue you shout louder or more often doesn't make you right -- it just means you have nothing better to do. Ranting back and forth on this forum about what your opinion of the Sheffield School System does no one any good. If you aren't getting an attorney and filing suit against the school board, the "powers that be" and anyone else that has mishandled their position, then the problems are not going to be corrected. You are like a dog chasing its tail and nothing more. I can applaud your effort to do so, but in the end, this forum isnothing more than a place to post your thoughts....and I can disagree when and if I choose...
I would appreciate you not accusing me of misleading when nothing I have said on here is untrue...the only thing I have done is poked holes in your "facts", shown you something else to look at and tried to make you see that paranoia doesn't mean there is a vendetta...
I have never supported the school board in my posts. I am a neutral party that wants the truth to be told in the proper setting -- at the board meetings and eventually in a court of law...until then, you can make all the claims you want, but it is still hearsay...
My intentions with this forum are not to mislead anyone and I've done my best to make sure others can't mislead either. Just becasue you shout louder or more often doesn't make you right -- it just means you have nothing better to do. Ranting back and forth on this forum about what your opinion of the Sheffield School System does no one any good. If you aren't getting an attorney and filing suit against the school board, the "powers that be" and anyone else that has mishandled their position, then the problems are not going to be corrected. You are like a dog chasing its tail and nothing more. I can applaud your effort to do so, but in the end, this forum isnothing more than a place to post your thoughts....and I can disagree when and if I choose...
I would appreciate you not accusing me of misleading when nothing I have said on here is untrue...the only thing I have done is poked holes in your "facts", shown you something else to look at and tried to make you see that paranoia doesn't mean there is a vendetta...
I have never supported the school board in my posts. I am a neutral party that wants the truth to be told in the proper setting -- at the board meetings and eventually in a court of law...until then, you can make all the claims you want, but it is still hearsay...
Salty Dog-
I agree totally - perfectly stated. IMO, the best strategy for dealing with the secretary and former special ed teacher is to totally ignore their posts. They are feeding off this frenzy. Lets let this post go and wait for the official words.
I agree totally - perfectly stated. IMO, the best strategy for dealing with the secretary and former special ed teacher is to totally ignore their posts. They are feeding off this frenzy. Lets let this post go and wait for the official words.