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scotty, being a rt. wingnut... is it safe to say you're a "temporarily cash strapped millionaire"?

 

i fall under the category:  i. too smart to vote against my best interest!

 

republicans are hell bent on implementing policy that has proven to be a failure, both mathematically and historically.

Since when did free market capitalism not work in this country's past when left alone. Government regulation and increased taxes is what kills our economy. Name one country where socialism prospers. You should try reading the Constitution and Bill of Rights instead of supporting a regime that is hell bent on destroying this country.

well, let's see, unregulated banks and unregulated wall street... they did miracles for the american people... then, there's those "tax cuts for the job creators", we've had them in place for 10 years. where are all those jobs?

so, there are two examples of your republicans .... helping america!

Originally Posted by yoda:

chuck... thanks for proving you're a moron.

now, exactly who decided to "deregulate" wall street?

You are going to have to be more precise, are you talking about Glass-Steagal?  If I was pushing 50 and working at a menial jobI don't think I'd be calling people morons.  The retarded guy at McDonalds contributes about as much as you and doesn't smoke it all.

Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:
Originally Posted by yoda:

chuck... thanks for proving you're a moron.

now, exactly who decided to "deregulate" wall street?

You are going to have to be more precise, are you talking about Glass-Steagal?  If I was pushing 50 and working at a menial jobI don't think I'd be calling people morons.  The retarded guy at McDonalds contributes about as much as you and doesn't smoke it all.

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please, take your meds.. you're making little to no sense... wait, never mind... you rarely make any sense!

The REAL Empty Chair is in the National Security Briefing for those who give those briefings saw the Empty Chair where the President would have or should have been for a long time now including for a week before the attacks on the embassy.    And remember, as the Administration would have you believe those attacks have NOTHING to do with September 11th. 

 

 

and bush had WEEKS worth of warning, prior to 9/11... yet did nothing... then, attacked the wrong place... then, couldn't find bin laden...  we all have 20/20 hindsight. and 8 years of "w" and 10 years of  "job creator tax cuts" sure have left us in a great place!  33 separate votes to repeal universal healthcare... NOT ONE VOTE on a jobs bill.. and as a matter of fact.. directed a filibuster so as to NOT EVEN HAVE A DISCUSSION of any form of jobs bill... GREAT AMERICANS, those republicans! we gotta beat obama , no matter if it cost us the country!

Originally Posted by yoda:

and bush had WEEKS worth of warning, prior to 9/11... yet did nothing... then, attacked the wrong place... then, couldn't find bin laden...  we all have 20/20 hindsight. and 8 years of "w" and 10 years of  "job creator tax cuts" sure have left us in a great place!  33 separate votes to repeal universal healthcare... NOT ONE VOTE on a jobs bill.. and as a matter of fact.. directed a filibuster so as to NOT EVEN HAVE A DISCUSSION of any form of jobs bill... GREAT AMERICANS, those republicans! we gotta beat obama , no matter if it cost us the country!

That is a STRONG statement Yoda, to make, regarding that Bush had intelligence that an attack was coming September 11, 2001.   WHERE is your evidence and proof of that? 

 

Please provide URL Links and evidence to prove that statement for us for that is the first I have ever heard about that.

 

As for attacking the wrong place, was Afghanistan the wrong place for that is where Bush went after Bin Laden?  As for allowing Bin Laden to get away the ONLY one I have heard referenced, in the news, as having let Bin Laden get away was Bill Clinton's administration who cancelled the hit because family members were present and they didn't want to kill anyone that was not Bin Laden.

 

Regarding the Bush tax cuts how do you, with a straight face, even mention that given that Obama and the Democrats had two years of TOTAL control of the Government, yet not only KEPT THE TAX CUTS but continue them now,  I mean if they are that bad and damaging to the economy???   Any comment on that?

 

As for the healthcare bill and the attempts to cancel it out.  For one it's seen as a job Killer by many and unconstitutional as a bill.  READ the news about the companies who state it will cost jobs because business can't afford it.  If it wasn't that big of a business killer WHY ALL THE EXEMPTIONS that had to be given to the Unions, McDonalds, and WalMart?  If it's such a great deal why all the exemptions?   Why, if it's not a tax, do Dem's insist it is a tax when arguing before the Court and when the Court said it's only Constitutional as a tax then turn to the American public and say no it's not a tax?  Truth is, as they passed it, it is unconstitutional and if not for a Chief Justice who turned political and worried about what people would think of him, would have been judged as so.  As it is it was only considered Constitutional IF it was a tax.

 

Last regarding the jobs bills or budget.  Fact one:  NOT ONE BUDGET from the President has been sent to Congress!  Is that not a part of being President???    How about the fact that the Republicans, since they have been in control of the house has sent a budget (Ryan's budget) to the Senate, which is controlled by Democrats but it was shot down and not passed on, by the Senate, to the President.  So when you speak about no jobs bill or no budget please be more specific.  It's the Democratic SENATE that is killing all this and if not them then it would be a Presidential veto.  Do not act as if the House hasn't sent nothing up to them though.

Originally Posted by yoda:

and old school pictures... oh, btw...

 

 

 

 

seems that "teleprompter issue", you republicans have such a problem with, isn't such a big deal, now!

I will agree that if you are going to hit a candidate over use of a teleprompter then you shouldn't be hypocritical and use one yourself.  I think though everyone knows teleprompters are used by all.  I believe that case with Obama is not that he uses them at all but the amount of times he uses them.  Also that when he goes off the teleprompter that his speech qualities drops dramatically or that he says things that they don't want the public to know he feels ... such as that "you didn't build that" line.

Originally Posted by yoda:

scotty, being a rt. wingnut... is it safe to say you're a "temporarily cash strapped millionaire"?

 

i fall under the category:  i. too smart to vote against my best interest!

 

republicans are hell bent on implementing policy that has proven to be a failure, both mathematically and historically.

I'm really curious about something Yoda?  

What is so bad about making money, desiring to make and have money or having money?


What is so BAD about being a millionaire, if a person can be?

 

What is UN-American about making a profit or capitalism?


Also is it not people who take risk, open companies, and seek to make money those that are responsible for the jobs that everyone else has?   


Now check out your statement to Scotty:  i fall under the category: "i. too smart to vote against my best interest!"  think that might have sounder stronger to add an "am" in there?


Lastly what policy (or economic system) of failure is that you are referring to?  Capitalism?   Democrats, today, seem only to want to tax tax and tax again the RICH or those that they deem to be rich and then give to everyone else that doesn't pay taxes or jobs.  Give to illegals, benefits, that they didn't pay into or deserve.  Answer this one:  HOW do you continue to fund these programs?   Do you think the Democratic programs have worked over the last three years?  The programs such as the first and second stimulus payouts which have greatly increased the National Debt far more than Bush ever increased it?  


Now we add a third Stimulus and what did it achieve?  How about another downgrade of American's rating?   It's been three years now since Obama was elected, two of which he and the Democrats had TOTAL Control of the Government yet what's been done?  Unemployment hasn't dropped below 8%, Gas prices are double what they were when Bush was in office and food cost are at an all time high and we cannot drill for oil in the Gulf or Alaska where there are said to be huge reserves of oil just waiting for us sojust where are we better off .. healthcare?   Healthcare cost are also at an all time high and we are just about to see the economic damage that the healthcare bill will cause, the jobs that will be eliminated in order to pay for it or enable businesses to meet it's requirements.  Insurance won't be free it will only be dictated by Government.  How about the fact that yet again on September 11th we have attacks on American soil (Embassies) where Americans are killed by the same people that attacked us back in 2001.  Something Bush was able to avoid for the duration of his term in office.  At least Bush did make his National Security Briefings.

 

 

so i made a typo.. get over it!

and if your republican congress could see past the "anything to beat obama" crap... we'd be below 6% unemployment. (since we're predicting the future).  and i believe they asked bush to stop giving out money... so, i guess we can just ignore that. just exactly what programs can "illegals" get into without a valid work card? the illegals pay into our social security and can't get social security.  there were at LEAST a half dozen attacks on americans under reagan... and he did next to NOTHING! bush, on the other hand, attacked the wrong country... and asked us to pay for it.  and i've researched your "two years" of democratic control... it's more like 24 days of filibuster proof congress... so, what's your next excuse? stop the republicans from blocking progress, and you'll see  progress! do away with corporate welfare.. let them pay their fair share... and we're far ahead of where we are, today!

For one I wasn't criticizing you on the typo but rather making the point that when you make such a statement it usually would carry more force and credibility to not have the wording appear so ironic.  Your opinion is valid as anyone elses and your reasons as valid as anyone's, at least valid to your own point of view.  Anyone can make a typo but when you make that typo while telling everyone how "smart" you are surely you can see the irony in that.  I'm no English scholar but I'm also not on here calling you or anyone else a moron then talking about how smart I am so you kinda set your own self up for that criticism.

 

As for the 24 days, how can you say that and expect to be taken seriously with anything you say.  Let us say for a moment that you are right that from January 20, 2008 until January 20, 2010 it was 24 days HOW INEPT is that?  You are saying that Democrats when they had total control only worked 24 days?  No Wonder they deserve to be kicked out and not re-elected.  Is that what you are saying?  Share with us your calculations on just how there could be 24 days of work time in which to make and pass bills?   You really have been sold a bill of goods.

 

First you make a statement about Bush knew in advance and had warning of 9/11 and I ask you for proof and evidence and URLs to prove that point and you answer me with distraction regarding Reagan.  Lets answer the first issues first and then we can follow on to the other accusations.

 

You also ignored or didn't want to answer my question about just what is so wrong and bad about the desire to make and have money?  What is so bad about becoming a millionaire and where do you think jobs come from?

Originally Posted by gbrk:

For one I wasn't criticizing you on the typo but?...

 

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First you make a statement about Bush knew in advance and had warning of 9/11 and I ask you for proof and evidence and URLs to prove that point and you answer me with distraction regarding Reagan.  Lets answer the first issues first and then we can follow on to the other accusations.

 

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Fact: Bush's National Security Advisor, Condoleeza Rice, under oath, testifying before the 9/11 commission, was very reluctant to discuss even the title of the August 6 PDB (Presidential Daily Briefing) paper. Repeatedly refusing to discuss the PDB due it's classification, she finally stated that it's title was "Bin Laden Determined to Inside the United States." The PDB was later declassified and published. Ms. Rice's testimony may be read at:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04...T.html?pagewanted=10

 

Originally Posted by gbrk:

For one I wasn't criticizing you on the typo but rather making the point that when you make such a statement it usually would carry more force and credibility to not have the wording appear so ironic.  Your opinion is valid as anyone elses and your reasons as valid as anyone's, at least valid to your own point of view.  Anyone can make a typo but when you make that typo while telling everyone how "smart" you are surely you can see the irony in that.  I'm no English scholar but I'm also not on here calling you or anyone else a moron then talking about how smart I am so you kinda set your own self up for that criticism.

 

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This is just too funny to pass up. G, before you start trying to correct others and their "typos" you should first learn a little reading comprehension. See if you can follow along and understand where YOU made the mistake.

scotty said:

Yoda, I am curious.

Being a left wing wacko, which of the following categories do you fall under???

a. racist black person

b. gay

c. union member

d. atheist

e. on welfare

f. illegal immigrant

g. stupid

h. socialist/communist

 
 
Hall of Famer
 
September 6, 2012 3:40 PM
 

scotty, being a rt. wingnut... is it safe to say you're a "temporarily cash strapped millionaire"?

 

i fall under the category:  i. too smart to vote against my best interest!

 

republicans are hell bent on implementing policy that has proven to be a failure, both mathematically and historically.

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Now what comes after H in the alphabet G? LOL Here I will even make it easy for you and put it in the list so that you can better understand what was being said.

 

a. racist black person

b. gay

c. union member

d. atheist

e. on welfare

f. illegal immigrant

g. stupid

h. socialist/communist

i. too smart to vote against my best interest!

 

Originally Posted by Dove of Peace:
Originally Posted by gbrk:

For one I wasn't criticizing you on the typo but?...

 

<snipped for brevity>

 

First you make a statement about Bush knew in advance and had warning of 9/11 and I ask you for proof and evidence and URLs to prove that point and you answer me with distraction regarding Reagan.  Lets answer the first issues first and then we can follow on to the other accusations.

 

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Fact: Bush's National Security Advisor, Condoleeza Rice, under oath, testifying before the 9/11 commission, was very reluctant to discuss even the title of the August 6 PDB (Presidential Daily Briefing) paper. Repeatedly refusing to discuss the PDB due it's classification, she finally stated that it's title was "Bin Laden Determined to Inside the United States." The PDB was later declassified and published. Ms. Rice's testimony may be read at:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04...T.html?pagewanted=10

 

From that very document referenced above comes the following from Ms. Rice:

RICE. You said did it not warn of attacks. It did not warn of attacks inside the United States. It was historical information based on old reporting. There was no new threat information. And it did not, in fact, warn of any coming attacks inside the United States.

and followed by additional questions comes this:

RICE. Certainly not. There was nothing reassuring.But I can also tell you that there was nothing in this memo that suggested that an attack was coming on New York or Washington, D.C. There was nothing in this memo as to time, place, how or where. This was not a threat report to the president or a threat report to me. As a matter of -

BEN-VENISTE. We agree that there were no specifics. Let me move on if I may.

How can you possibly try to take this and say George Bush had warnings of an impending attack on NY or Washington?  This was an August 6th memo and generated at the REQUEST of President Bush because of his concern that maybe they may be wanting to hit within the US. Bush had no prior warning as is trying to be implied.  Obama did and the response from the Administration has been deflection and out right deception about events surrounding the events and the Media has turned a deaf ear to it and is avoiding it completely.  HOW CORRUPT IS THAT?  And you you and others justify this and will vote for this person???  What exactly does it take for you to realize this guy is not only in over his head but is unqualified for the job?  I fear you would support him and vote for him if he burnt the Constitution on the front lawn and suspended elections embracing the Communist manifesto claiming we are now under a new Changed Government.

 

The Embassy attacks were warned by several sources to our Government, September 11th date anniversary was coming up and imminent, within hours of the attack even.  Yet with all this, warnings and the special date combined with the fact that Obama allowed several days to go by without even attending a briefing much less request specific info.  

 

FACE IT!  Obama failed in this instance and his Administration was asleep at the wheel and thus we were yet attacked, successfully again on September 11th on American Soil (that's what our Embassies are) and Americans died.   In the years following 9/11 George Bush never had such a successful attack happen on his watch, Obama has now. 


 

Now as to the other point I made and question:  Since I haven't had an answer to it would you like to attempt to explain that one also?

 

As for the 24 days, how can you say that and expect to be taken seriously with anything you say.  Let us say for a moment that you are right that from January 20, 2008 until January 20, 2010 it was 24 days HOW INEPT is that?  You are saying that Democrats when they had total control only worked 24 days?  No Wonder they deserve to be kicked out and not re-elected.  Is that what you are saying?  Share with us your calculations on just how there could be 24 days of work time in which to make and pass bills?   You really have been sold a bill of goods.

 

then, in the post I ask:  Just what is so wrong and bad about the desire to make and have money?  What is so bad about becoming a millionaire and where do you think jobs come from?  Most comments from Democrats come with some comment about "RICH" republicans or the like.  People are in business, start businesses to make money and a better living.  They don't invest their time and money to go broke and bankrupt.  What's so bad about that incentive and wanting to do that?

 

 

thanks gbrk... you've proven, once again, you can lead a conservative to water, but you can't make them think! keep blindly following what the republicans tell you... even if it's not in your best interest... when are you people gonna figure out that romney was including all of you in that "47%".

Well Gee... If You don't think the very title of that PDP - "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States" - in itself constituted cause for alarm, or at least further investigation, then I see no need for further attempts at intelligent discussion... I will say, however, that the same president later took the nation into an unwarranted and unfunded war based on the thought that there might possibly be weapons of mass destruction (there weren't). That war cost the lives of over 4,000 of our youth and drained our treasury to the point that it is doubtful we'll ever recover... It did, however, create jobs and make the armaments industry heads very rich indeed...

Originally Posted by gbrk:

 

then, in the post I ask:  Just what is so wrong and bad about the desire to make and have money?  What is so bad about becoming a millionaire and where do you think jobs come from?  Most comments from Democrats come with some comment about "RICH" republicans or the like.  People are in business, start businesses to make money and a better living.  They don't invest their time and money to go broke and bankrupt.  What's so bad about that incentive and wanting to do that?

 

 

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This is one of the straw man arguments that many Republicans throw around. As a liberal Democrat I have absolutely nothing against millionaires or anyone making boat loads of money legally. What most Democrats will say is that we want the uber rich to pay a comparable percentage in taxes. That's all.....not that we begrudge anyones wealth. Here is the sad truth, most Republicans are not rich. They are not anywhere close to being millionaires. Yet they fight for the uber rich to keep the tax breaks and loop holes that allow them to dodge the same taxes that the average working person has to pay.

 

G, unless you are extremely rich you are voting against your own best interest when you support a party that fiscally only represents those in the very top percentage income brackets.

 

What most Democrats are against is greed. Not wealth....but greed.

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