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Hi to all my Forum Friends,

In the discussion begun by Beter and titled "Words Of Joseph Smith And" -- Deep shares a few thoughts on Pastor Chuck Smith. So, I will take a moment to respond to Deep's criticisms.

Deep, you declare, "All prophets are false.

Not true, my Friend.

You say, "No one has a pipeline to some ephemeral essence of the Universe."

Normally speaking, that would be true. However, in the Old Testament times, before God gave us the Bible as His Written Word to guide believers to salvation and in their Christian lives -- He gave the people living testaments of His Word for mankind, the prophets. In other words, in those day, God spoke to the people through these chosen spokesmen. So, yes, the Old Testament prophets did have a spiritual pipeline to the knowledge of God.

You tell us, "None of the ancient 'prophets' had any idea what a galaxy was."

They may not have known about galaxies -- but, they certainly understood that God had created a universe. We read in the Bible that the earth is round: Job 26:10, Prov 8:27, Isaiah 40:22, Amos 9:6.

We read of the Hydrologic Water Cycle in Eccl 1:6-7; 11:3; Job 26:8; Amos 9:6. In Job 36:27-28, "For He draws up drops of water, which distill as rain from the mist, which the clouds drop down and pour abundantly on man."

Yes, all the way back to Job, understood to be the first book of the Bible to be written -- prophets had an understanding of God's universe. It was not as detailed as we have today -- but, still they did have an understanding.

You tell us, "Chuck Smith is a modern day prophet. He's a joke."

First, Pastor Chuck Smith has NEVER said he is a prophet. As a matter of fact, he believes as I do that the last prophet was John the Baptist. Once Jesus Christ came as the Incarnate God, He brought in the Dispensation of Grace and He established His church on earth -- the body of believers. Also, the Holy Spirit inspired chosen men to write the Word of God and to give us the Written Word of God in lieu of living prophets. In so doing, His Word can be spread around the world for all to read.

So, no, Chuck Smith is not a prophet, nor has he ever claimed to be one. For about sixty years he has taught the Word of God from the pulpit. And, since 1965, he has taught the Word of God expositionally, i.e., teaching from Genesis 1:1 all the way to Revelation 22:21 -- without skipping or avoiding a single verse. In teaching the Bible in this manner -- he has developed a fuller understanding of what God teaches us in His Written Word.

And, from this understanding, Pastor Chuck has come to believe that the Bible teaches a PreTribulation Rapture of the church, the body of Christ, from the earth -- and the Bible teaches a PreMillennial Return of Christ at the end of the seven year Tribulation. This is clearly taught in the Bible; and, through expositionally teaching the bible for for 45 years, he can tell us in sermons, in conference messages, and in written books -- why he believes Jesus Christ will take His church of of this world BEFORE the Tribulation. And why he believes that Jesus Christ will return at the end of the Tribulation and establish His Millennial Kingdom on earth.

It does not take a prophet to teach this -- only a person with a spiritual relationship with God, and a strong knowledge of God's Written Word, the Bible.

Finally, you say, "The Prophetry (sic) is a good gig, however. Money to be made there. See Smith, Smith, Hubbard, and Robertson, to name a few."

Yes, teaching the Word of God is a GREAT gig! And, for his faithful teaching for 60 years -- I have no doubt that one day Pastor Chuck will stand before Jesus Christ and hear, "Well done, good and faithful servant. Come and stand at My right hand."

You mention two Smiths. Were you stuttering -- or is this a moment of dementia? While I have never been a member of any church where Chuck Smith pastors -- I have listened to him on the radio, heard him in conferences, and read his books. When I look at the worldwide population of Calvary Chapel churches God has built since 1965, using Pastor Chuck Smith -- I am amazed. And, I praise God for Calvary Chapel and for Pastor Chuck Smith.

As I told you before, Deep -- before you condemn the man on hearsay and gossip from forums -- why don't you drive down to Costa Mesa and hear him for yourself? Or, if that is too frightening for you -- try listening on KWVE Christian Radio (107.9 FM in Southern California). This could make an eternal difference in your life -- your eternal life!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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all anyone needs to do is read the bible,they will know the truth.but we need preachers to help some to understand the bible.you have got to believe god is god and jesus was born and died for our sins,and that through jesus we can have life after death.if you do not believe do not judge people who do.judge not least you be judged. our leaders of america has thrown god out of everything,or should i say let god be put out.we are on our own with god.i will not deny him no matter what!!! kill me if you want to.someday god will put everybody on their knees.
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Originally posted by mary haddock:
all anyone needs to do is read the bible,they will know the truth.but we need preachers to help some to understand the bible.you have got to believe god is god and jesus was born and died for our sins,and that through jesus we can have life after death.if you do not believe do not judge people who do.judge not least you be judged. our leaders of america has thrown god out of everything,or should i say let god be put out.we are on our own with god.i will not deny him no matter what!!! kill me if you want to.someday god will put everybody on their knees.

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Forgive her Father, for she knows not who shes talking to.


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Originally posted by mary haddock:
all anyone needs to do is read the bible,they will know the truth.but we need preachers to help some to understand the bible.you have got to believe god is god and jesus was born and died for our sins,and that through jesus we can have life after death.if you do not believe do not judge people who do.judge not least you be judged. our leaders of america has thrown god out of everything,or should i say let god be put out.we are on our own with god.i will not deny him no matter what!!! kill me if you want to.someday god will put everybody on their knees.
Why would he die for others' sins? What sins did he die for, please name them. I know I've never done anything bad enough for someone to die over. And if he died for your sins, why are people still "sinning" today? And since religion controls everything that happens in this country and most of the world, how do you figure it's been "put out"? You say don't judge, I say OK, I'll leave that up to you since that is what you're all about anyway. No one has ask you to "deny" him so why are you so upset? Your god isn't going to bring anyone to their knees, but I firmly believe some of his insane followers most certainly will.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Originally posted by mary haddock:
all anyone needs to do is read the bible,they will know the truth.but we need preachers to help some to understand the bible.you have got to believe god is god and jesus was born and died for our sins,and that through jesus we can have life after death.if you do not believe do not judge people who do.judge not least you be judged. our leaders of america has thrown god out of everything,or should i say let god be put out.we are on our own with god.i will not deny him no matter what!!! kill me if you want to.someday god will put everybody on their knees.
Why would he die for others' sins? What sins did he die for, please name them. I know I've never done anything bad enough for someone to die over. And if he died for your sins, why are people still "sinning" today? And since religion controls everything that happens in this country and most of the world, how do you figure it's been "put out"? You say don't judge, I say OK, I'll leave that up to you since that is what you're all about anyway. No one has ask you to "deny" him so why are you so upset? Your god isn't going to bring anyone to their knees, but I firmly believe some of his insane followers most certainly will.

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jen,,,,,,,,I thought you said you were raised in a church and knew
and read the bible. If thats so then you know the answers to your
questions. I guess you just want to attack someone because they're
a believer. So haddock had no right to post something without
hearing from you first. Very good G.I. jen, carry on.


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Originally posted by barbaros45:
Bill, you don't have any forum friends.

Wrong Bar. I'm Bill's friend and I put his character along with anyone on the forum.

He is not a liar or dishonest person. I would trust Bro Bill over anyone on the forum.

Do I agree with everything he says. No.
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jen,,,,,,,,I thought you said you were raised in a church and knew
and read the bible. If thats so then you know the answers to your
questions. I guess you just want to attack someone because they're
a believer. So haddock had no right to post something without
hearing from you first. Very good G.I. jen, carry on.

I was raised in the church, I did read the bible, but no where in the bible did it explain to me what sins I or anyone I knew had commited. I don't need your "permissiion" to carry on. I have to admit something to you, I love the way I upset you. Attack? Again you make a statement that is completely false. I attack no one. I'll leave that up to you since that seems to be all you have in your life. It's called discussion. Still waiting on the posts that you claim I made trying to "convert" or change someone's belief. You're the one that seems to think someone needs consent to post on here. I see you're still to stupid to figure out how to use ignore. Now go beat on your old lady because a woman won't let you get to her on a news forum. You are just low hanging fruit-easy pickings.
YO! B-Gray.

Chuckeee Smyth Doesn't HAVE to claim he's a "prophet" in order to be considered a FALSE PROPHET as you have said- - -

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First, Pastor Chuck Smith has NEVER said he is a prophet. - BG
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Chuck-it Smyth's very own BIBLE calls him a false prophet since it condemns ANYone who teaches ANYthing different from the Words of Truth (i.e. the BIBLE) and calls this type of person a False Prophet.

SO, my dear BGray, The God that Chuck-ins claims to serve calls him a False Prophet.

When Chuckles dies he has a LOT of explaining to do.

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