Proposition 8 Protesters Target Sacred LDS Temple in Los Angeles

"Oh us poor Mormons. We didn't do anything and now they're persecuting us! Woe is us!"

I'd give a dime for every time I've heard this in my life. But you are right this time FB. The Mormon Corporation might have only given a very small $2,000 dollar donation.

However, God's one and only true prophet on the face of the Earth (the Mormon CEO) wrote a letter and sent a commandment to all Mormon congregations in California that it was to be read in all Mormon meetings back in June. It admonished Mormons to give all the time and money they could give to assure the passage of Proposition 8. Conservative estimates are that over 70% of the money spent on passing Proposition 8 (more than $22,000,000) came from Mormon members. So that way the corporation of the President, the legal name of the church, can say, "Hey, we didn't bankroll it."

I got letter after letter from my California Mormon family asking Mormons out of California to send money for the cause but to send it through their California family so it would look like "outside interests" were not bankrolling the campaign for hate. Mormons organized along congregation lines to do the leg work, to put up yard signs and put in all the time they could. They had phone banks at BYU, BYU-Idaho and other Mormon places outside California that were manned by Mormons. Yes, there were other churches in the "coalition," the same way there were other countries in the "coalition of the willing" in Iraq. But just as the U.S. is responsible for the war in Iraq, the Mormons are responsible for the passage of Proposition 8. It WOULD NOT have passed without the time and money on behalf of Mormon members and they would not have put in that kind of time and money if their old geezer prophet of God had not commanded it. You know the Mormon mantra as well as I do, "When the Prophet speaks, the thinkikng has been done."

And all the ads claiming that if it passed, children would have to be taught about gay marriage in schools, churches would lose their tax exempt status, etc. were out and out LIES started by a Mormon lawyer using bogus case law that was shown to be erroneous as none of his arguments were anything that would affect California law in any way. But those are the arguments they used in their campaign of lies so don't go telling me that they were ethical. THEY WERE NOT!

So the Mormons were responsible for a campaign of hate. They are responsible for breaking up over 20,000 families. And how hypocritical when they were driven from Missouri to Utah because of their OWN non-traditional marriage beliefs. Now they are the persecutors and STILL want to cry like babies because people are protesting their meddling in other people's families and taking away other people's civil rights.

It's just Karma. They started it. They put it out there and it's coming back on them. They were the hatemongers but now they want everyone to just get along and go "oh, I guess the people have spoken and I should just give up trying to work toward being able to marry the person I love."

It's even hard for me to watch it. I was married in that building in Los Angeles that they are jumping up on the fence and shouting through megaphones from. I used to think it was a "sacred" building too. I went there many times in my youth to help save all these misguided "Christians" who don't know that they have to be Mormon to get into the highest level of heaven. I'd get baptized for 50 people at a time in that "sacred" building. I went there to receive my own sacred rituals and learn all the secret passwords and handshakes so I could enter the highest level of heaven. I know there was a time I would have been crying too to see people protesting outside of it.

So stop with the same drivel that is coming out of Salt Lake City, that's exactly where your post came from, I've been reading the news reports today and they are all worded exactly like yours. Maybe you're a bishop and got a letter commanding you all to write letters to your local newspapers to cry about the "unfair" treatment of the mormons. But since Prophet Geezer told them to do it and they did it, "the church" itself is culpable. This issue is not going to go away just because they were able to convince a small majority of Californians that their marriages are in jeopardy if gays can marry too.

Maybe you can get some of the born-againers on this board to feel sorry for you, even though you believe those same people will have to become Mormons after death to get into heaven, but other than that, just go take your persecution complex and go to church and preach to the choir.

Fortunately for us here in Alabama, we didn't have to worry about such tough decisions being on our ballot this time. I don't think voting your conscience has ever been "hatemongering", nor do I believe that when one group becomes politically active for a cause they believe in, that they should have their sacred edifices defiled. The whole issue didn't really bother me until I found out they were messing with the temple. There are more civil ways of doing things. Perhaps they should've organized themselves for their cause a little better and maybe they wouldn't have to protest... I mean, it only passed with 52% of the votes.

All I'm saying is that right and wrong exists in this world, and the way they have been going about it ain't right.

Oh, and the article I quoted came from a group out of Washington DC. Mormons aren't the only ones in this conflict.

My word, people played with fire and they got singed. How unexpected. I hope no seer stones were damaged or guardian salamanders harmed. I am sure that all holy panties will soon be untangled. They got over polygamy . . . or so we are told.
Well must fly, time for a wonderful Episcopalian breakfast of biscuits, preserved peaches in brandy, sausage links, coffee and cigarettes.

So you're telling me that because this is happening to Mormons, its ok? What if it were your church being defiled by some lynch mob group? I'm sure you would be a little upset.

I tell ya what though... they picked a heck of a group to mess with. It'll take a little more than what they're doing to take down the Mormons... we're pretty tough. Our people have had to endure much, much worse persecution than this. We've been tarred and feathered, murdered in cold blood, raped, pillaged, and driven from city to city and state to state until they finally made it out west to Utah.

Like the Prophet Joseph Smith said, "The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done." That's pretty prophetic when you look at where the church was then, and where it is now with millions and millions across the world. It'll take a lot more than what they got to stop the work from progressing.

FB,

If you didn't know that the mormon corporation was strongly behind the Prop 8 travesty, read this:

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A church that deliberately targets any group for persecution, second-class citizenship, and discrimination is not worth belonging to. Shame on them.

DF

Of course I knew that they encouraged the members to help in the cause.

You obviously haven't read what the church has said in regards to same-sex marriage and the sanctity of family:
"The Church has a single, undeviating standard of sexual morality: intimate relations are proper only between a husband and a wife united in the bonds of matrimony.

"The Church does not condone abusive treatment of others and encourages its members to treat all people with respect. However, speaking out against practices with which the Church disagrees on moral grounds – including same-sex marriage – does not constitute abuse or the frequently misused term “hate speech.” We can express genuine love and friendship for the homosexual family member or friend without accepting the practice of homosexuality or any re-definition of marriage.

Strong, stable families, headed by a father and mother, are the anchor of civilized society. When marriage is undermined by gender confusion and by distortions of its God-given meaning, the rising generation of children and youth will find it increasingly difficult to develop their natural identity as a man or a woman. Some will find it more difficult to engage in wholesome courtships, form stable marriages, and raise yet another generation imbued with moral strength and purpose.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has chosen to become involved, along with many other churches, organizations, and individuals, in defending the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman because it is a compelling moral issue of profound importance to our religion and to the future of our society.

Want to read the full statement? Click Here

I am sure that their panties protected the Mormen at the chapel in L.A. Guess what? People want to play politics, then they may get called on their stands and even picketed. It is a two way street. I sure they were still baptizing 5000 dead people and sealing celestial marriages there in the chapel every day, so that the now sacred couple can rule their own planet some day, begetting billions of spirit children.
Does anyone really want to belong to a religion that doesn't let you have a toddy, a pint of beer or a Coke now and again, much less another base of the Southern Food Pyramid, tobacco? Bourbon, backy, bbq, card games, beverages of a caffeine base, races, dogs, music, corn meal and story telling: what the South is all about. Thatis why the Mormen are so unpopular here. You dis George Dickel or Jack Daniels or the Candler and Duke families, and you had might as well shoot our dogs and ban the Kentucky Derby and Talledega and dig up Maybelle Carter and Elvis for public desecration.
Plus, Mormenism was started by a convicted con artist, and goes to show that if one is slick enough that some people won't buy what you have to sell.

Actually our congregation here in the Shoals has been growing quite well lately. Over in Huntsville and Madison they are bursting at the seams and can't keep up with the growth of the church there. Visit one of the three congregations meeting in the Madison church building on Slaughter Rd one Sunday and then you can see how "unpopular" we've gotten. So unpopular, you probably won't be able to find a seat. Also, take into consideration that the population of that area are some of the highest educated people per capita in the country.

I thought the Mormans version of the sanctity of marriage was marriage of one man to a any number of women?

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Originally posted by FoshaBen:
Actually our congregation here in the Shoals has been growing quite well lately. Over in Huntsville and Madison they are bursting at the seams and can't keep up with the growth of the church there. Visit one of the three congregations meeting in the Madison church building on Slaughter Rd one Sunday and then you can see how "unpopular" we've gotten. So unpopular, you probably won't be able to find a seat. Also, take into consideration that the population of that area are some of the highest educated people per capita in the country.

Ummm, just to be technically correct, the congregations in Huntsville and Madison are not really growing because "the church" is growing or becoming popular, they are growing for the same reason the Florence Ward "grew" in the early 90s--because of the number of already Mormon transplants that moved into the area because of businesses that relocated to the area, in the case of Florence, the ASRM plant in Iuka. When that folded, the Florence congregations really caved.

The rate of growth of the overall Mormon church is dying and the number of active people attending meetings is greatly decreasing. In the town I was raised in in Southern California, they just had to combine 2 congregations into 1 and realign a bunch of the "stakes" to accommodate the shrinkage of the people who moved to other parts of the country. On the books, they have "grown," but it is because of people who joined only knowing the bare bones pseudo-Christian stuff the missionaries tell them. But when they attend church for a few weeks, they start finding out they had no idea what they got themselves into and quit attending. Hence, they don't have enough butts to fill the seats even though they show hundreds of "members" on their membership rolls that you can never get off of until you officially resign through a very difficult, painful and intimidating process.

Those "highly educated" Mormons in the Huntsville area are NOT converts. Very few educated people who are emotionally stable convert to the Mormon church anymore. They can get on the Internet and find out the truth about it in about 3 seconds.

Oh, you mean like Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon, and many others in the Bible?

Polygamy hasn't been practiced by our church since 1890 when Wilford Woodruff who was the President of the Church at the time made the statement that it was officially prohibited. Since that time, plural marriage has not been approved by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and any member adopting this practice is subject to losing his or her membership in the Church.

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Polygamy hasn't been practiced by our church since 1890

And no one in the Church of Christ ever takes a c0cktail, either.


DF

I'm glad you're privy to the recent baptismal statistics of the Huntsville Stake. They've actually been baptising pretty frequently from what I understand. Here we had three convert baptisms within the last month, one of which has a college degree working as an HR manager for a large local company, and another lady who is finishing up a bachelor's degree from UNA this semester. We've got a couple more here that are currently preparing for baptism. I attended a meeting a couple months ago where we were told that next year they will be creating another stake here in North Alabama. That sounds like positive growth to me.

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Originally posted by FoshaBen:
So you're telling me that because this is happening to Mormons, its ok? What if it were your church being defiled by some lynch mob group? I'm sure you would be a little upset.

Exactly how does a protest outside your temple defile it? If they are on church property, then you can have them removed.

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I tell ya what though... they picked a heck of a group to mess with. It'll take a little more than what they're doing to take down the Mormons... we're pretty tough. Our people have had to endure much, much worse persecution than this. We've been tarred and feathered, murdered in cold blood, raped, pillaged, and driven from city to city and state to state until they finally made it out west to Utah.

LOL. And do you think that none of those things have happened to gay people for far longer than to the Mormons? You became exactly like those that drove the Mormons west. Of course, you are right, and those folks were wrong. Sheeesh.

The Mormons wanted to be able to live as they thought was right even though others thought it was wrong. They should not have been harassed like they were. It was wrong.

Gays just want to be able to live their lives like they think is right even though you think it is wrong. The actions of the Mormon church was wrong just as the actions of those who acted against Mormons in the past.

Don't deny to others what you want for yourself.

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Like the Prophet Joseph Smith said, "The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done." That's pretty prophetic when you look at where the church was then, and where it is now with millions and millions across the world. It'll take a lot more than what they got to stop the work from progressing.

Power. Now that the church has power, it wields it to force/coerce others to do what it wants. And by claiming it's God's will, that makes everything OK. I see no difference between the Mormon church now, and those which persecuted it in the past. Only the wielder of power has changed. The purpose, desire and justifications are exactly the same.

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Originally posted by FoshaBen:
Oh, you mean like Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon, and many others in the Bible?

Polygamy hasn't been practiced by our church since 1890 when Wilford Woodruff who was the President of the Church at the time made the statement that it was officially prohibited. Since that time, plural marriage has not been approved by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and any member adopting this practice is subject to losing his or her membership in the Church.

Funny FB. I was in that VERY building in your link that the people are protesting in front of when the widow of one of my good friends who died of cancer in her 30s was "sealed" (eternally married) to another woman. Both of those women (and many others) will be his wives in heaven.

That is because your statement is technically correct. The mormon church does not "practice" polygamy any more. They caved to government pressure in 1890 so they could gain statehood (although they continued to practice it in secret until 1910). But it is still VERY MUCH a part of their doctrine and their holy scriptures (have they taken Section 132 out of the D&C since I've been gone?) and we all know that if a man makes it to the highest degree of Mormon heaven, he will attain Godhood, get his own planet and create his own world with many spirit wives to bear his spirit children that will eventually become mortal.

I think I am much older than you and spent many more years than you did being fully indoctrinated in Mormon beliefs. I know all the arguments you'll use and where they come from. That's because I used to spout them off too.

But back to the original point of this thread.
The LDS stuck their nose into a huge emotional issue and they have NO RIGHT now to claim unfair treatment because the losing side won't go away nicely.

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Originally posted by FoshaBen:
Of course I knew that they encouraged the members to help in the cause.

You obviously haven't read what the church has said in regards to same-sex marriage and the sanctity of family:
"The Church has a single, undeviating standard of sexual morality: intimate relations are proper only between a husband and a wife united in the bonds of matrimony.

That's all neat, cool, and wonderful. Good for ya'll. Of course, others might not agree with the Mormon church.

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"The Church does not condone abusive treatment of others and encourages its members to treat all people with respect. However, speaking out against practices with which the Church disagrees on moral grounds – including same-sex marriage – does not constitute abuse or the frequently misused term “hate speech.” We can express genuine love and friendship for the homosexual family member or friend without accepting the practice of homosexuality or any re-definition of marriage.

Speaking out is fine. The problem here is not speaking out. The problem is forcing others who do not believe as you to do things your way. That certainly qualifies as abusive treatment.

The Mormon church, indeed any church at all, is free to define marriage any way they wish. Even now, there are churches which will marry same-sex couples. The marriages are perfectly valid, but may or may not be legally recognized. The Mormon church wanted its definition of marriage to be the civil definition.

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Strong, stable families, headed by a father and mother, are the anchor of civilized society.]/quote]

So, exactly what were the polygamist marriages of the early Mormons? Were they an anchor too? You have a serious credibility problem here.

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When marriage is undermined by gender confusion and by distortions of its God-given meaning, the rising generation of children and youth will find it increasingly difficult to develop their natural identity as a man or a woman. Some will find it more difficult to engage in wholesome courtships, form stable marriages, and raise yet another generation imbued with moral strength and purpose.

And where do all the inter-sexed fit in this neat little world you have constructed?
People with Kleinfelter's, PAIS, or CAIS? Since they have aspects of both genders do you simply ignore them completely or are they simply outsiders? What "natural identity as a man or a woman" do they have?

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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has chosen to become involved, along with many other churches, organizations, and individuals, in defending the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman because it is a compelling moral issue of profound importance to our religion and to the future of our society.

Want to read the full statement? Click Here

Defending the "sanctity of marriage". Sanctity should have NOTHING to do with civil law. Sanctity is a strictly religious term and what is sacred to one group can be profane to another. If Mormons or anyone else does not believe in same sex marriage, them by all means, don't have one. It is wrong, however, to screw with the lives of others to make yourself feel better about yourself.

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Originally posted by FoshaBen:
Oh, you mean like Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon, and many others in the Bible?

Polygamy hasn't been practiced by our church since 1890 when Wilford Woodruff who was the President of the Church at the time made the statement that it was officially prohibited. Since that time, plural marriage has not been approved by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and any member adopting this practice is subject to losing his or her membership in the Church.

So, I guess that means that Joseph Smith couldn't be a member today then.

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Originally posted by FoshaBen:
I'm glad you're privy to the recent baptismal statistics of the Huntsville Stake. They've actually been baptising pretty frequently from what I understand. Here we had three convert baptisms within the last month, one of which has a college degree working as an HR manager for a large local company, and another lady who is finishing up a bachelor's degree from UNA this semester. We've got a couple more here that are currently preparing for baptism. I attended a meeting a couple months ago where we were told that next year they will be creating another stake here in North Alabama. That sounds like positive growth to me.

Again... I didn't say there weren't a lot of baptisms, just a lot of inactive members. A few will stay active, maybe your UNA graduate. She can be your Florence Mormon poster girl, but add pictures of all the people who have been baptised in the last few years who don't want anything to do with it anymore. That's if you can find a poster that big.

And yes, I'm sure they will make a new stake in North Alabama, it will make up for the stake in my California hometown that they just got rid of. It's the MOVEMENT of Mormons to places where you can afford to raise a big family that is causing the "swelling" of Mormons in the South. That's the same reason it's causing a reduction of stakes in California and elsewhere in the West.

I remember the day they split the Florence Ward. I thought it meant "the church" was growing. I also remember the day they recombined it because so many core members moved back to Utah. In that time I saw MANY baptisms in Florence. But I remember very few of those people still attending services when I left.

I'm sure the church will put out a press release when they make a new stake and show the people of Alabama how Mormonism is taking over the world. I wonder if they'll include the California statistics in the same article. I doubt it.

The saddest thing to me about this entire mess is the Mormon Church's insensitivity to its own members. Mormons are resigning from their church in droves over this issue.

Mormon = cult.

Wow.. looks like while I was gone everyone decided to gang up on poor little ole me. I guess as far as these message boards go, I'm all alone in the way I think. Sometimes, though, being alone in your stance isn't necessarily a bad thing. What that means is either you are all right and I'm wrong, or I'm right and you are all wrong. Either way, I've got a 50/50 shot at being right.

No wonder the gays are protesting there: that building is just plain old ugly stick beaten fugly. It looks like some Inter-War Baltic Modern utilitarian world hq for Saab or Volvo or Finlandia or a government ministry in Tallin or Helsinki or Malmo than it does a "temple," save for the out of place steeple and the Moroni Angel statue. I think it is no accident that it is the former site of the Harold Lloyd movie sets! I am going to issue a visual pollution summance, so help me by the Pearl of Great Price and Brigham Young's Moon Men Quaker hats! We used to issue fashion citations on the streets of Manhattan, in the name of Yves St-Laurant and Giorgio Armani and Karl Lagerfeld's fan and pony tail.

FoshaBen: You are not alone. I think you were right on track when you said "Regardless of where you stand with this issue, this reaction to the passing of Proposition 8 in California should have everyone raising their eyebrows. Its strange to think that the ones who scream loudest for equality and tolerance are too often not inclined to give equality and show tolerance in return to those with views different from their own." ... that's what is going on in this board.
The moment you let it known that you are a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS, the claws came out. Happens all the time when someone is standing up for their beliefs, especially religious ones.
It doesn't matter the religion it seems but Mormons are especially targeted because even those that think they are intellectually enlightened on the subject are not spiritually enlightened. They spend too much time thinking with their mind and not with their heart. Its intimidating for some people to open up their heart because then they have to acknowledge that they may have missed the mark.
The people on this board are trying to do everything possible to shake you up... they are probably the type of people who thrive on that and you won't win the argument, whether you are right or wrong. As you say, it is 50/50... let it be. Its just at game to them anyway.

Fosha,

When 99% of people say you're wrong, the chances are not 50/50.

Rhiannon has it exactly correct. When the Mormon cul...church decided to stick it's intolerant nose into politics, it should have been ready to endure political recriminations.

If my understanding of Mormon history is anywhere near correct they should be the LAST people to inflict persecution onto an unpopular minority. The utter hypocrisy staggers the mind.

DF

I wonder if they'll incorporate this in an episode of Big Love.

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Polygyny has been in the public eye and many Americans’ water-cooler conversations lately, from the success of the HBO series Big Love to the trial of the Mormon sect leader Warren Jeffs. Most Americans consider polygynous marriage to be exotic, unusual, bizarre, and even morally wrong, hence the attraction of Big Love or the titillation of the Jeffs’ trial. But polygyny is not that exotic; many -- even most -- Americans are already in polygynous marriages.

First, let’s get our terms straight. Polygyny is the scientific term for a marriage of one man to more than one woman. Polygamy refers to both polygyny and polyandry -- marriage of one woman to more than one man. Polygamy is often used synonymously with polygyny because there are very few polyandrous societies in the world.

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Originally posted by spunkygrandmas:
FoshaBen: You are not alone. I think you were right on track when you said "Regardless of where you stand with this issue, this reaction to the passing of Proposition 8 in California should have everyone raising their eyebrows. Its strange to think that the ones who scream loudest for equality and tolerance are too often not inclined to give equality and show tolerance in return to those with views different from their own." ... that's what is going on in this board.
The moment you let it known that you are a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS, the claws came out. Happens all the time when someone is standing up for their beliefs, especially religious ones.
It doesn't matter the religion it seems but Mormons are especially targeted because even those that think they are intellectually enlightened on the subject are not spiritually enlightened. They spend too much time thinking with their mind and not with their heart. Its intimidating for some people to open up their heart because then they have to acknowledge that they may have missed the mark.
The people on this board are trying to do everything possible to shake you up... they are probably the type of people who thrive on that and you won't win the argument, whether you are right or wrong. As you say, it is 50/50... let it be. Its just at game to them anyway.

As spunkygrandma's said, FB you are not alone. As you can see from this video, they DID in fact violated the sanctity of a church a few days ago.

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This isn't happening just in LDS. They are disrupting services throughout the United States unfortunately. The Catholic Church was attacked a while back as well. While most folks support Civil Unions so gays can have the same civil rights (i.e., next of kin, divorce rights, parental rights, etc) and from what I've understood were the reasons they wanted "marriage", they seem hell bent in inserting their way into a long held (over 5000 years) belief marriage is between a man and a woman. And it isn't just in the "intolerable right winged religous UNITED STATES" - IT IS A GLOBAL BELIEF!

DF, the definition of MARRIAGE is NOT a political issue. It IS a moral/religious issue. I know of NO long established religion who supports gay marriage. Marriage has been defined as between a MAN and a WOMAN for centuries. It's NOT a POLITICAL ISSUE. The church(s) have every right (freedom of religion) to ask their parishioners to follow THEIR religious beliefs.

De Nile is a river in Egypt, not a state in which to live in.

ONLY 1449 DAYS LEFT UNTIL THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

A little history...Californians voted to define marriage as between one man and one woman by (I believe) a 62% margin. The appeals court (in San Francisco, if it matters) overturned this. In order for it to be inviolate from the state appeals court, it has to be a specific constitutional amendment. That was what the proposition 8 vote was about. It passed by a small margin this time, but pass it did.

Now the demonstrators can't get it through their minds that the majority of California voters want a traditional definition of marriage; the refer to it now on their placards as "Proposition H8". There were a lot of religious groups opposed to it, including the mormons and the Knights of Columbus. It highlights the irresoluble debate over what is a moral issue versus what is a political issue.

My spin on it is that no one cares whether or not there are same-sex civil unions that are indistinguishable from traditional marriage; the big objection is the use of the term "marriage". Also, there have been things that are personally objectionable...the field trip of an elementary school classroom to a lesbian wedding, for example, that parents were forbidden to opt out from. It became a truly vicious campaign. I personally followed and took a cell phone photo of anti-prop 8 activists driving around my neighborhood pulling up "Vote Yes on Proposition 8" signs.

Mayor Gavin Newsome of San Francisco, an ardent supporter of gay marriage, had clips that were used in which he said, "...whether you like it or not", referring to that issue. The voters of California disagreed, so now the fight continues.

"Once man has tasted freedom he is reluctant to give it up." Although I have no idea who gave us that quote, it is one of my favorites. When we allow majority rule to give minority rights then we get anger, retribution, and reaction. When was the last time anyone took rights away from any of you? When have any of you ever been told your relationships are not equal to those of anyone else? Probably never. For most people, their families are worth fighting for no matter who the adversary might be. It is not over.

If I am not mistaken Mormons have fought like soldiers and killed to worship as they wish. Liberty has its contradictions.

"The important thing is to place the massacre in context," Helen Whitney, director of the PBS documentary, said in an interview. "They believed they were at war. The president was arriving with his troops. . . . All of this was swirling around -- years of persecution, a kind of paranoia -- it really was sort of an explosive mixture in which the brakes just didn't hold."

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Sorry, Ben,

When the Mormon Church decided to get involved in California politics in a big way, funded by tens of millions of dollars, they opened themselves up to political protest and criticism.

Of all people, the Mormons should actively campaign to remove civil rights from anybody. For shame.


For shame.


DF