Protests planned after minister calls for gays to be fenced in

TWO is a STARTLING number?   Wow, what happens when you use both hands to count?   Just curious!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Well, actually it was three mentioned on this thread bill, but don't let little things like facts get in your way. To me, one is a "startling number" when you consider the ones spewing this hate are supposed to be christians. Then add in the fact that they have congregations that follow and agree with what they say, then think about the ones preaching this hate that we haven't heard of, well, surely even YOU get the picture. What happens when YOU count? You must be missing a few digits since nothing ever adds up for you.

So, one Christian making a mistake is a STARTLING NUMBER.  However, a thousand atheists can make false claims -- and that is acceptable and normal?  Okay.

You tell us, regarding pastors and their sermons, "they have congregations that follow and agree with what they say." 

If I recall, you tell us that you attended church while still a teen -- does that mean that you followed EVERYTHING your pastor taught?  If so, why did you turn away from Christ before becoming a believer?   This surely indicates, at least to me, that you did NOT believe what your pastor taught.

My Friend, you have a convenient habit of lumping all Christians into one bundle when you disagree -- but, seem to view atheists' views as sacrosanct and holy when spoken or written by even one non-believer.

This often makes me wonder -- is it her hatred of God and all things Christian?  Or, is it her fear of God and all things Christian?   Since you did attend church before -- I would tend to lean toward the latter.

Like you, after attending church as a youth, when I went into the world and began enjoying the pleasures and rewards of the world -- I continued to feel a twinge of guilt from those early teachings.  To assuage those feelings, I went on a search for a church which would tell me that hell did not exist -- for, if there is no hell -- then I can live like hell with no worries of punishment.

And, yes, I did find a chaplain in the Air Force from a large liberal denomination who assured me that hell is only a myth.   My reaction:  Praise the Lord!  Now I can live like hell and still attend church. 

Of course, when I truly became a Christian believer -- I realized how wrong this chaplain and his large denomination had been.  And, today, I praise God there is a hell.  Why, you ask?  For hell existing only proves the love of God; for His perfect love would be meaningless if it was not balanced by His perfect Justice.

Your reaction to pastoral teachings seems to have been the opposite of mine.  You chose to pull the world blanket over your head and firmly deny that God exists.  Of course, one day you WILL have to pull that blanket off your head.  And, when you do, God will be standing right there, waiting for you to believe.

But, sadly, if you wait until after you breathe that last breath -- it will be too late.  Today, right now, is the time to make that choice -- while you can be sure there is still time.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

What they're saying is a bit, no, a LOT more, than a "mistake". It is pure hatred and vile thoughts  being spewed, and yes, very startling for someone claiming to be a christian to do. What "false claims" are you talking about? You're awfully confused. 

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If I recall, you tell us that you attended church while still a teen -- does that mean that you followed EVERYTHING your pastor taught?  If so, why did you turn away from Christ before becoming a believer?   This surely indicates, at least to me, that you did NOT believe what your pastor taught.

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My pastor didn't preach hate, and if he had we would have left that church. Turn away from christ before I became a believer? That makes no sense. I was a believer. 

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My Friend, you have a convenient habit of lumping all Christians into one bundle when you disagree -- but, seem to view atheists' views as sacrosanct and holy when spoken or written by even one non-believer.

This often makes me wonder -- is it her hatred of God and all things Christian?  Or, is it her fear of God and all things Christian?   Since you did attend church before -- I would tend to lean toward the latter.

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Once more bill, this thread is about three pastors. No one has lumped all christians in with them. It started out about ONE and robustus posted about TWO others. It's YOU that's lumping them all together. You can "lean" anyway you want to lean. I don't fear your mythical god, I don't fear the good christians, but yes, the ones like the THREE we are discussing, others like them and their followers, should be feared by anyone, believer or non-believer, that has any sense. The rest of your rambling I skipped.

BTW bill, not that it's really any of your business but I attended church well into my 20s.

Hi Jennifer,

Thank you!  Now, I see the problem!  You attended Deshler and I attended Sheffield High.  That is why I am always way ahead of you.  

To all my Deshler Friends, I am only joking.  After all, I must give Jennifer something she can sink her teeth into -- or she would be huffing and puffing all day.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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But isn't this contrary to the reasoning you use to link Obama to that goofball church he used to attend?   Best is right, you must be missing some digits.

Bill, the ONLY way you're "ahead" of me is in age, and you didn't gain any wisdom with it either. And again, you're the only one "huffing and puffing" around here. 

Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a religious liberty watchdog group, has filed a complaint with the Internal Revenue Service, asking that it investigate the tax exempt status of Providence Road Baptist Church.

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It's past time that they investigated a LOT of churches and started yanking that tax exempt status.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

went on a search for a church which would tell me that hell did not exist -- for, if there is no hell -- then I can live like hell with no worries of punishment. 

And, yes, I did find a chaplain in the Air Force from a large liberal denomination who assured me that hell is only a myth.   My reaction:  Praise the Lord!  Now I can live like hell and still attend church.  

Of course, when I truly became a Christian believer -- I realized how wrong this chaplain and his large denomination had been.

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How can a grown man that says he believes in God want to not believe in Hell? The two go together, you can’t have one w/o the other.

It’s odd that even then you wanted to live like hell & still attend church. That’s how your OSAS theory works. You know, that eternal security thing that you preach.

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Not that you'd care to notice or acknowledge but my post consists of only a statement that I put in quotations, which is the literal title of the story I linked to right below it. I made no comment nor suggested any conclusions from it whatsoever. I just provided a news link that's directly related to the original focus of the thread and left it up to the readers to review it and think about it independently.

You are so lost when you're not told exactly what to think. It shows in your silly, misplaced and needlessly defensive reactions like the one above.

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Scary to think that he actually believes people can have faith in anything he says.

Hi Chick,

Now we are making progress.   You say that a person cannot believe that God exists and still not believe that hell exists.   That is true.  So, in this, you are acknowledging that eternal hell is truly the only alternative to eternal life in the presence of God?   Since you do believe this -- wouldn't a person be really foolish to deny God knowing that this action of denying God -- WILL self-condemn that person to eternal hell? 

Isn't that enough to make any person fall on his/her knees and ask Jesus Christ to be Lord and Savior in his/her life?   For, as you have acknowledged -- denying Jesus Christ will self-condemn a person to eternal hell. 

Chick, you tell me, "It’s odd that, even then, you wanted to live like hell & still attend church."

Not really, for the Bible tells us that God writes His Word in our hearts (Romans 2:14-16) -- even for those who have not yet heard of Him.   There is an old saying that there is an empty hole within our souls which only God can fill -- and this keeps folks either searching for Him, many times unconsciously -- or it causes some to run from Him, fearing they are not good enough for Him.

And, truth be known -- none of us are good enough for Him.  That is why He sent His Son to die in our place -- because none of us was, or is, worthy to stand before Him.   Yet, because the blood of Jesus covers our unrighteousness for all who will believe, we can come to the throne of God.

This is how God sees us in our human nature:

Isaiah 64:6, "For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds (works) are like a filthy garment;. . . "

But, praise God, He has provided a path of righteousness, Jesus Christ, for all who will believe and receive His "free gift" of eternal life.

So, is it "odd that, even then, I would want to live like hell and still attend church"?

No, not really.  My brother and I were talking last year and he commented, "I can't remember a time when I did not believe in God and Jesus Christ."    And, that is true.  That is exactly how I feel; I always believed -- but, I had not yet received Him (John 1:12).  That is the difference.  I was not a believer, even though I believed He existed -- until, by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8) -- I truly did believe and receive Him (John 1:12) as my Lord and Savior.

So, all those years when I was attending this church and that church -- I was not a believer.  I was just a confused seeker.  But, even though I was unconsciously seeking Him -- I still wanted the pleasures and desires of the world.  So, I sought a church which would tell me there was no hell.  And, when I found one -- praise God, now I could party-hearty and still attend church.

But, even with that -- I still felt the discomfort; for, no matter how much I wanted to believe that hell was a myth -- in my heart, I knew better.

Then, at the age of fifty, all the pieces came together at the right time -- and, viola! -- I truly did become a believer.  And, yes, at that moment of belief, at that moment of receiving Christ as my personal Lord and Savior -- I became a believer, I was sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of my redemption (Ephesians 1:13, 4:30), I became a child of God -- and, yes, now I do HAVE eternal life in Christ.

How do I know this?  Because He promised, "He that believes HAS eternal life"  (John 6:47).  Notice in this statement made by Jesus Christ -- there are no "ifs" - no "ands" - and no "buts."  There is only His promise -- the believe HAS eternal life in Him.

Chick, no matter how much you dislike me, no matter how much you still question God -- YOU KNOW that Jesus Christ is not a liar.  So, if He tells me that I HAVE eternal life -- I believe Him. 

And, quite honestly, even though you will not admit it to me (which is not really important) -- you KNOW it also.  That, my Friend, IS eternal security, i.e., His promise that no one can snatch a believer out of His hands (John 10:28-29).  Yes, my Friend, the Biblical concept of "once saved, always saved" (even though those exact words are not found in the Bible) is true.  And, it is sealed with His promise.

Chick, now that we have had this discussion -- would you like to become a child of God (John 1:12)? 

You do not have to acknowledge that question to me.  But, please, do go to O No, GB, or any other Christian friend and talk with him/her about what I have written.  Talk with them about receiving Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. 

I pray that you will -- for none of us are promised a tomorrow in this mortal body.  None of us are promised a next breath.  So, while you still have the time, talk with your friends about Jesus Christ -- and how you can receive Him as Lord and Savior.  You will be eternally happy if you do.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

has bill forgotten all the "other preachers" who have this same opinion...

yep, it is an isolated incident... isolated to churches!

Yada, yada, yada, Billy! Just exactly what kind of progress have "we” made? When have I ever said that Hell is not the only alternative to eternal life in the presence of God?  I have said many times IF God exist, & you know that. If you can’t have one w/o the other, then Hell would fall under the IF category too. You don’t read what we say, Billy. Why do you want to twist words?

No, for a person to fall on his/her knees, they would have to believe in whatever is making them do that. Poor Billy! Do you not know that to seek something you have to believe it exist?? How could you look for it if you don’t believe in it?

Show me, Billy, where I have ever said Jesus (IF He exist) was a liar. You can’t because I haven’t. You claim to know that you’re a believer but I know what you are, & it ain’t a Christian. You are a believer in Satan & you’re doing exactly what Satan (IF He exist) wants you to do & that’s confuse people. When people see/read all the junk you write, your meanness, judgment, lack of compassion, etc., they then question Christianity, & why they would even want it.

If I believed it, why would I not admit it to you? I don’t like you, I think you’re mean, a coward & a liar. But I’m not afraid to admit or deny anything to you, Billy.

I have shown you many scriptures in which your eternal security gets thrown out with the bath water, but those scriptures you run from. What does that tell us?

Would I like to become a child of God? (IF He exist)  Why would I want to? But according to your OSAS & eternal security theory, I’m still “saved”. 

I talk with O No & gbrk on almost a daily basis. If I have a question, I ask them. I don’t have to have your permission.

You pray that I will? News flash, Billy. Your prayers don’t get pass the ceiling. You are shouting lies & no one believes you!!! (except for 3-4 & they are confused)