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Originally Posted by Gnu:

Women in high power always have to prove that they're more tough and manly then men. Hillary as the commander in chief scares me for that reason. I say Dukakis!


Dukakis is about 79, if I remember. Simply posting a picture of him in the tank wearing the helmet was enough to keep him out of office last time.  Or, did you mean dukakis as a metaphor for caca!

@ interventor1212 - How bout Ferraro? is she still available?

Originally Posted by Gnu:

Actually she's dead. I guess I was one of the few that noticed.

 

So I guess it'd have to be either Kucinich or Lieberman

If you knew she was dead why ask the question? Of course, being dead doesn't stop liberals from voting so why not have a dead candidate? BTW, she passed away March 26, 2011.

Originally Posted by b50m:

@ interventor1212 - How bout Ferraro? is she still available?

Originally Posted by Gnu:

Actually she's dead. I guess I was one of the few that noticed.

 

So I guess it'd have to be either Kucinich or Lieberman

If you knew she was dead why ask the question? Of course, being dead doesn't stop liberals from voting so why not have a dead candidate? BTW, she passed away March 26, 2011.

Not that interventor needs me to address this, but she didn't know when she asked. Nice attitude from a plagiarist.

Originally Posted by The Propagandist:

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Sen Sanders to Obama: 'Do not yield to Republican blackmail''
June 27th Bernie gave a long speech on the Senator floor asking the President to stand with the American people on real shared sacrifice in deficit reduction.
http://www.bernie.org/

Oh great!  The one admitted socialist in Congress!  Europe is littered with the results of their likes. Spain, Greece and Portugal, once praised as socialist exemplars, are on life support.  Many of the rest are dead in the water and floundering.

There are rumblings...

 

Republicans in Liberal Clothing
Posted on May 9, 2011 by Rania Khalek

I can’t understand why the GOP is always so angry at the President. After all, Obama has shown himself to be a committed conservative. What’s that? He is a Democrat you say? Well he had me fooled.

Let’s not forget that it was a Democrat-controlled congress and white house that renewed the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy last year, while allowing for deregulation and CEO bonuses to continue unabated. It is a Democratic President that led the charge for a 5-year government spending freeze, cuts to heating assistance for low-income families, and cuts to block grants for community development and aid for students. Both Republicans and Democrats are trying to balance the budget on the backs of poor and working people. Both refuse to increase taxes on the wealthy. Both refuse to close tax loopholes, tackle tax havens, or hold Wall Street accountable for sinking the economy.
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At a time when millions of Americans are being thrown out of their homes, and 1 in 4 children are dependent on food stamps, Obama made it very clear where his priorities lie when Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner prepared to unveil the administration’s plan to reduce the corporate tax rate from 35% to 26%. Meanwhile corporations are making record profits, even as they layoff workers and pay next to nothing in Federal income taxes.

While I sympathize with those on the left that feel they must vote for the lesser of two evils, voting is not a revolutionary act. 

To be an engaged citizen is so much more than showing up to pick a candidate every 2-4 years. It requires the type of civic engagement that we are witnessing in Wisconsin, Michigan, California, and all around the country. We can either continue to support a party that is complicit in our destruction, or we can participate in the one and only proven vehicle to enacting real change: people power!

In the meantime, remember that it’s easy to look like a progressive champion of the people when the guy next to you is making the case for cutting food aid to lazy infants and forcing women to submit to ultrasounds prior to receiving an abortion. An important lesson to take away fromPresidentObama’s first term is this: have no illusions about the intentions of the Democratic establishment, for they are controlled by the same moneyed interests as their Republican rivals.

 

http://raniakhalek.com/2011/05...in-liberal-clothing/

 

We have the "accomodationists" who are eager for the deal, but are pulled ever rightward by the Republican's "ratchet effect" which keeps moving the center. Then we have the "progressive" stalwarts who remember that it was the Democratic Party that pushed through reforms of the New Deal and Great Society and are determined to preserve them. 

Will the present Democratic Party fracture and be replaced with something else as the Whigs were replaced by the Republicans 150 years ago? If so, what will that replacement be -- the progressive wing reinvigorating the present structure or even forming a new party, or will the Republicans move so far to the right of the mainstream that even (gasp!) the Socialist Party would seem a more attractive alternative?

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

Norway

Denmark

The future USA.

Ditzy,

 

You don't get out much, do you!  Denmark and Norway rely upon North Sea oil to support their social programs. As oil production decreases, they are retrenching. Denmark is especially vulnerable as her share is decreasing the most.  Denmark recently instituted border controls to keep out non-EU immigrants.  Soon, both nations will relearn the meaning of work, or become northern versions of Greece.  Sweden is in a slightly better position. They've cornered the market on oil refining for Scandinavia and northern Germany.  Plus, like the Germans, they will sell weapons to anyone, any time, any where.

Originally Posted by The Propagandist:

There are rumblings...

 

Republicans in Liberal Clothing
Posted on May 9, 2011 by Rania Khalek

I can’t understand why the GOP is always so angry at the President. After all, Obama has shown himself to be a committed conservative. What’s that? He is a Democrat you say? Well he had me fooled.

Let’s not forget that it was a Democrat-controlled congress and white house that renewed the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy last year, while allowing for deregulation and CEO bonuses to continue unabated. It is a Democratic President that led the charge for a 5-year government spending freeze, cuts to heating assistance for low-income families, and cuts to block grants for community development and aid for students. Both Republicans and Democrats are trying to balance the budget on the backs of poor and working people. Both refuse to increase taxes on the wealthy. Both refuse to close tax loopholes, tackle tax havens, or hold Wall Street accountable for sinking the economy.
...
At a time when millions of Americans are being thrown out of their homes, and 1 in 4 children are dependent on food stamps, Obama made it very clear where his priorities lie when Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner prepared to unveil the administration’s plan to reduce the corporate tax rate from 35% to 26%. Meanwhile corporations are making record profits, even as they layoff workers and pay next to nothing in Federal income taxes.

While I sympathize with those on the left that feel they must vote for the lesser of two evils, voting is not a revolutionary act. 

To be an engaged citizen is so much more than showing up to pick a candidate every 2-4 years. It requires the type of civic engagement that we are witnessing in Wisconsin, Michigan, California, and all around the country. We can either continue to support a party that is complicit in our destruction, or we can participate in the one and only proven vehicle to enacting real change: people power!

In the meantime, remember that it’s easy to look like a progressive champion of the people when the guy next to you is making the case for cutting food aid to lazy infants and forcing women to submit to ultrasounds prior to receiving an abortion. An important lesson to take away fromPresidentObama’s first term is this: have no illusions about the intentions of the Democratic establishment, for they are controlled by the same moneyed interests as their Republican rivals.

 

http://raniakhalek.com/2011/05...in-liberal-clothing/

 

We have the "accomodationists" who are eager for the deal, but are pulled ever rightward by the Republican's "ratchet effect" which keeps moving the center. Then we have the "progressive" stalwarts who remember that it was the Democratic Party that pushed through reforms of the New Deal and Great Society and are determined to preserve them. 

Will the present Democratic Party fracture and be replaced with something else as the Whigs were replaced by the Republicans 150 years ago? If so, what will that replacement be -- the progressive wing reinvigorating the present structure or even forming a new party, or will the Republicans move so far to the right of the mainstream that even (gasp!) the Socialist Party would seem a more attractive alternative?

As California and the rest are approaching the New York imperative -- control costs, or cease operations, there's not much of an alternative. Cuomo is doing the right thing because there is no alternative.

 

If, we go socialist, we end up like Greece and the rest of the PIGS. South Africa appears to be going in the same direction. South Africa -- the new Zimbabwe!

 

If, the US does the right thing, the Republican party will serve as the platform for the nascent conservative movement. 

 

 

 

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