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RE: "HARD TIMES"

S skreechowlEverybody Knows My Name
Having a hard time digesting the ethical aspects of this rag....my young son made some bad choices, got thrown in jail and his face ended up on the front cover of this piece of garbage...my entire family,grandparents and all were devastated....did he do something illegal? Yes, he did...but he paid a much higher price than just a fine for walking out of a bar under the influence.....in my opinion, this is very wrong...
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wright35633wright35633Post Master
I won't argue with your ethical objections. I will, however, inform you that it really doesn't matter what you or I think about it. A booking photo and arrest report is public record. As long as people dole out that dollar we will continue to see this publication flourish. And a word to the wise ...... only people who are arrested grace the pages.
thenagelthenagelPost Master
i think so to, honestly.
it's the lowest common denominator of news.. a muck-raking sort of thing, in my opinion. like Cops and televangelists, it represents the worst.

people make mistakes... some times they are little ones, but still carry a fine or a couple weekends worth of time served, and instead of quietly trying to learn from your mistakes and put it behind you, you now have to deal with everyone in the quad cities knowing you made a mistake that isn't any of their business.

i've never so much as opened one of the things.... but i might start, so i can check the sponsors and make sure i don't give them any of my business or my money...
BFred07BFred07Hall of Famer
I sorta like the little rag. I buy one now and then to browse through. Everything they post is public record, they just put it all in one easy to look up place.
I hope nage doesn't have a need for most of the advertisers in it, they are predominately bail bondsmen, attorneys, and a few cab companies advertise in the DUI section.
Opie CunninghamOpie CunninghamPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by skreechowl:
Having a hard time digesting the ethical aspects of this rag....my young son made some bad choices, got thrown in jail and his face ended up on the front cover of this piece of garbage...my entire family,grandparents and all were devastated....did he do something illegal? Yes, he did...but he paid a much higher price than just a fine for walking out of a bar under the influence.....in my opinion, this is very wrong...



Ahhh Mom, Sheesh.
Elb the BumElb the BumPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by skreechowl:
It's just a matter of people making money off of someone else's misfortune or bad judgements....I believe there is legal redress n this...


i'm not giving you a smart answer, but i've seen some family of some pretty powerful people in the magazine... people with money and influence....

i'm just sayin.....
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by skreechowl:
It's just a matter of people making money off of someone else's misfortune or bad judgements....I believe there is legal redress n this...


Most of the local LE departments sought legal advice when HARD TIMES got started. The mug shot photos and arrest data is public information, and with few exceptions, has to be available.

I used to work for a department that had a local newspaper that printed the name of every arrestee and the charges they were arrested for. They would print photos of the more notable ones as well.
BFred07BFred07Hall of Famer
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Originally posted by skreechowl:
BFred...doesnt matter if it is legal...there is a definitive difference between legal and ethical.....my entire family paid a tremendous price for my son's over-indulgence...he, by the way, won't live it down for awhile...


I didn't give an opinion about it being legal or not, my argument is that it's ethical.
The Times-Daily already lists the names of those arrested and Shoals Insider lists them too. Hard times just puts a face with the name.
I think they're doing a valuable service for the community.
S skreechowlEverybody Knows My Name
BFred..perhaps if the shoe was on the other foot.....I understand that the publication is legal..., and perhaps there are those who deserve to have their mugs plastered here for all to see...my family and my son are decent, hard working people who paid a price beyond what is deemed justice....This rag only appeals to a class of people who take delight in other's misfortune...
thenagelthenagelPost Master
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Originally posted by BFred07:
I sorta like the little rag. I buy one now and then to browse through. Everything they post is public record, they just put it all in one easy to look up place.
I hope nage doesn't have a need for most of the advertisers in it, they are predominately bail bondsmen, attorneys, and a few cab companies advertise in the DUI section.


really? cool.. thanks for saving me the time and effort then Smiler
BFred07BFred07Hall of Famer
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Originally posted by skreechowl:
This rag only appeals to a class of people who take delight in other's misfortune...


Not true, I like to know what's going on in the community and what faces to pay a little more attention to. Like I had already said, they are doing a valuable service for the community. That's not saying that everyone who is arrested is a bad person or even the folks who have been convicted as there are many decent folks who have made mistakes but at the same time, if I know you have been arrested then you will be scrutinized a little more if I am dealing with you.
Your son made a mistake, maybe he's a great guy. I don't know but I would just about bet that he did not simply walk out of a bar while intoxicated. A lot of folks leave bars intoxicated but generally, the ones who get arrested are the ones who are doing something wrong to grab the attention of the police.
Just remember, The Hard Times did not do anything to embarrass your family, that was all your son's doing.
S skreechowlEverybody Knows My Name
The arrest was embarrassment enough....It was called "public Intoxication...no violence, nor bad language.....Quote"If I know you have been arrested you will be scrutinized a little more if I am dealing with you"Unquote.. Your logic seems to be based upon a life of living on much higher ground than myself as a mere mortal, and I can only aspire to walk somewhere just below your path...
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BFred07BFred07Hall of Famer
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Originally posted by skreechowl:
The arrest was embarrassment enough...."If I know you have been arrested you will be scrutinized a little more if I am dealing with you" Your logic seems to be based upon a life of living on much higher ground than myself as a mere mortal, and I can only aspire to walk somewhere just below your path...


Sarcasm is obviously not your fortè. Being an employer, if I know that a person has ever been arrested (even if not convicted) then I may take a closer look before considering them for employment. If I have a client that I know has ever been arrested then I might take a closer look before deciding what the terms of sale might be.
I did not say anything to imply that I was above anyone else nor did I say anything that made you think I was implying such a thing. Apparently you don't like my opinion on the subject and are trying to pick an argument.
C CamilleEverybody Knows My Name
quote:
Originally posted by skreechowl:
Having a hard time digesting the ethical aspects of this rag....my young son made some bad choices, got thrown in jail and his face ended up on the front cover of this piece of garbage...my entire family,grandparents and all were devastated....did he do something illegal? Yes, he did...but he paid a much higher price than just a fine for walking out of a bar under the influence.....in my opinion, this is very wrong...


Most people thrive on drama and other people's misfortunes or mistakes. It's just another way for someone to make a buck off other's mistakes. It's a shame our society thrives on such drama and garbage.
onepatriot7onepatriot7Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by skreechowl:
BFred..perhaps if the shoe was on the other foot.....I understand that the publication is legal..., and perhaps there are those who deserve to have their mugs plastered here for all to see...my family and my son are decent, hard working people who paid a price beyond what is deemed justice....This rag only appeals to a class of people who take delight in other's misfortune...


I agree with you, this is a trash rag of a magazine and they will never see a penny of my money, people who commit heinious (sp?) crimes such as murder, armed robbery, rape, etc. crimes where their character should be of concern to the population are well reported on in the TD, I really could care less if someone is picked up for public intoxication or expired license, although all crime is public record, every little mistake shouldn't be thrown in our faces. It would probably surprise most people how many individuals they trust and deal with every day have made a minor mistake that ended up with an arrest, they pose no threat to the public and most are stand up hard working folks who made a MINOR mistake, so what, by the way, these folks are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, this rag leads us to automatically assume guilt, pathetic...
Elb the BumElb the BumPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by Camille:
quote:
Originally posted by skreechowl:
Having a hard time digesting the ethical aspects of this rag....my young son made some bad choices, got thrown in jail and his face ended up on the front cover of this piece of garbage...my entire family,grandparents and all were devastated....did he do something illegal? Yes, he did...but he paid a much higher price than just a fine for walking out of a bar under the influence.....in my opinion, this is very wrong...


Most people thrive on drama and other people's misfortunes or mistakes. It's just another way for someone to make a buck off other's mistakes. It's a shame our society thrives on such drama and garbage.


Roll Eyes
D dntblnkEverybody Knows My Name
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Originally posted by Stinky Inc.:
If they want to post a photo, why not post photos of those who have failed appeared in court, not paid their child support etc.


They do if you're arrested for "Failure To Appear" or Child Support.

Look, there are good people, bad people and then there a good people that made a bad choice. I don't see where printing people's pictures that have been arrested for failure to pay a seatbelt ticket has to do with alerting the public of criminals. In my opinion, felonies and domestic violence should be the only pictures printed if any. I also have no problem with DUI arrest being printed.

@ skreechowl: I happen to not think Public Intoxication should be printed either for simple reason that 95% of PI cases take place outside an establishment where 90% of the people leaving are publicly intoxicated. However, the defintion of PI is, if I can paraphrase here, "while intoxicated the person becomes a danger to himself or the public." Given what has happened to your son, do you think he'll ever do it again? Not trying to argue because I have my issues with the print as well.
L LELAHall of Famer
I think this magazine is a good thing, and probably keeps countless people out of jail. I don't do things that would get me arrested, but if I ever decide to, I know that I will think twice. As for the glamour shot photos, these people know that they are gonna be in this magazine, so why not try to look as good as possible?
B barksdale.jeffEverybody Knows My Name
quote:
Originally posted by skreechowl:
Having a hard time digesting the ethical aspects of this rag....my young son made some bad choices, got thrown in jail and his face ended up on the front cover of this piece of garbage...my entire family,grandparents and all were devastated....did he do something illegal? Yes, he did...but he paid a much higher price than just a fine for walking out of a bar under the influence.....in my opinion, this is very wrong...


I will go against the crowd on this one:

Maybe the HARD TIMES paper is what we need.

I am sure you are upset that he was arrested and in the Hard Times paper, but it seems that you are more upset over the fact that someone found out that he was a drinker and you had to explain.

I have never enjoyed one of my kids getting in trouble and thank god its only happend 2 times and they both learned from it.

If mine would have been in the hard times it would have sealed their fate to never ever entertain the thought of doing wrong again. Getting in trouble is part of growing up...I dont think being in the hard times is going to destroy your childs life

Maybe you should have better understanding friends and family
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B barksdale.jeffEverybody Knows My Name
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Originally posted by mamyliga:
Yes, barksdale...you are probably correct. It wasn't the fact that he was arrested for what he did...believe me, he has paid the price for that.Unfortunately, the photo has cost him in other ways that I won't go into here.



Well if someone cant understand a kid (i assume in their 20's) getting into a little trouble then they are expecting too much.

Hell we have all done some things we wish we had not in our 20's
L LE89Hall of Famer
Not really picking sides here as every situation is different but I do find it somewhat ironic that:

A Gov't approves, regulates, taxes, licenses, etc. an industry (drinking and drinking establishments) where the basic intent is to go inside and "get a buzz". Remember, (as the ads always state) buzzed driving is drunk driving. OK, so maybe you aren't going to drive, but you walk "outside" buzzed and you are under the influence. That's why they go inside, to get "under the influence". It's not for the taste, it's not for the social climate (if it was, they could just serve cheese or orange juice). Of course there are limits and tolerations, but I still find it ironic. I realize drunk people are more likely to be a "victim" of crime than sober people, no doubt. You are also more likely to die from an airplane crash if you get on a plane, than you are if you walk, although it is still theoretically possible I suppose. It is almost like a bait and catch system.

Why does the Gov't not regulate the Number of drinks to one per hour, but then again I guess this would drastically reduce the tax income they recieve. It is awfully close to bait & catch at times. Cops see the worst of what we don't see and I'm sure prevention is largely the intent, but I still find it ironic.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by LE89:
Not really picking sides here as every situation is different but I do find it somewhat ironic that:

A Gov't approves, regulates, taxes, licenses, etc. an industry (drinking and drinking establishments) where the basic intent is to go inside and "get a buzz". Remember, (as the ads always state) buzzed driving is drunk driving. OK, so maybe you aren't going to drive, but you walk "outside" buzzed and you are under the influence. That's why they go inside, to get "under the influence". It's not for the taste, it's not for the social climate (if it was, they could just serve cheese or orange juice). Of course there are limits and tolerations, but I still find it ironic. I realize drunk people are more likely to be a "victim" of crime than sober people, no doubt. You are also more likely to die from an airplane crash if you get on a plane, than you are if you walk, although it is still theoretically possible I suppose. It is almost like a bait and catch system.

Why does the Gov't not regulate the Number of drinks to one per hour, but then again I guess this would drastically reduce the tax income they recieve. It is awfully close to bait & catch at times. Cops see the worst of what we don't see and I'm sure prevention is largely the intent, but I still find it ironic.


The code referred to is "Public Intoxication", not "Public Under the Influence". It requires intoxication, being in a public venue, and either danger to ones self or another, and/or boisterous and offensive conduct.

Also, PI is not even a misdemeanor...it's classified as a violation. DUI, however is a class A misdemeanor, and can be a felony.
unclegusunclegusOld Faithful
When this first came out, I did buy one, but have since decided I will not patronize it. Every issue I have looked at has at least one person I know. I am sure there is a picture of a reputable friend who was arrested for stealing, I am aware of the circumstance and know he is not guilty of the crime he is accused of, the owner gave him permission but a bystander thought he was doing a service by calling the police. Still he is going to have this hanging over his head.
L LE89Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
quote:
Originally posted by LE89:
Not really picking sides here as every situation is different but I do find it somewhat ironic that:

A Gov't approves, regulates, taxes, licenses, etc. an industry (drinking and drinking establishments) where the basic intent is to go inside and "get a buzz". Remember, (as the ads always state) buzzed driving is drunk driving. OK, so maybe you aren't going to drive, but you walk "outside" buzzed and you are under the influence. That's why they go inside, to get "under the influence". It's not for the taste, it's not for the social climate (if it was, they could just serve cheese or orange juice). Of course there are limits and tolerations, but I still find it ironic. I realize drunk people are more likely to be a "victim" of crime than sober people, no doubt. You are also more likely to die from an airplane crash if you get on a plane, than you are if you walk, although it is still theoretically possible I suppose. It is almost like a bait and catch system.

Why does the Gov't not regulate the Number of drinks to one per hour, but then again I guess this would drastically reduce the tax income they recieve. It is awfully close to bait & catch at times. Cops see the worst of what we don't see and I'm sure prevention is largely the intent, but I still find it ironic.


The code referred to is "Public Intoxication", not "Public Under the Influence". It requires intoxication, being in a public venue, and either danger to ones self or another, and/or boisterous and offensive conduct.

Also, PI is not even a misdemeanor...it's classified as a violation. DUI, however is a class A misdemeanor, and can be a felony.


Not disagreeing with you, just noting the irony.
J justwannaknowFamiliar Face
I have viewed the mag once. Please clarify for me the reasons pics are there. I thought the pics were of people who had active warrants of arrest, such as for not appearing in court or not paying fines when ordered. If that's the case, then anyone in the mag DID NOT pay the price for their "mistake". If one handled their case appropriately, they should not make it into the mag. Not sure - just asking.
Capt James TCapt James TPost Master
I think the photos are the mug shots of all the people that have been arrested in the shoals, not those that didnt appear in court. Its like the 'on the record' arrest summaries you get in some regular papers, except with a photo of each person arrested.

I've never bought one but glanced at the website once. One of the TV stations reported the other day that it is not a service of the crimestoppers, some folks have been calling the crimestoppers line looking for a reward....
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