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Stupid is what stupid does. There are consequences for every action. If my son was dumb enough to get himself arrested, I can assure you that having his mugshot in this rag would be the least of his worries. Embarrassing for me, or my family? Meh, why would it be? I didn't get arrested and neither did my family. I guess I must be fortunate to have the kind of friends that would not think less of me (or my family) just because my son did something stupid (and, yes, getting drunk and making an a/s/s out of one's self...is stupid).

Actually, I have a page from this rag hanging on the wall in my office....a friend of mine did something stupid and got arrested. Knowing that he would be in HARD TIMES, he 'posed' with a big giant grin and made a hilarious face. Then went out and bought several copies and autographed them for his friends. Does this make what he did any 'better'? No, he still jeopardized the lives of dozens of innocent people when he decided to drink and drive...and he will definitely suffer the consequences. Do I shun a 20+yr friendship because he did something stupid? Of course not.

Again, stupid is what stupid does.
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Originally posted by ARE YOU KIDDING?:
Yes, Everyone makes mistakes. All it takes is one drunk driver to kill either himself/herself and someone else. Temporary shame beats a lifetime of regret. Not all who look at this paper are the same, now are we? Sorry for your family but it will pass, feel blessed that nothing more happened.
.....good post A.Y.K.
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Originally posted by BamaBelle:
No offense Skreechowl, but the police or hard times is not what made your family look bad. It was your son. I understand sticking up for your child but don't try to place blame on everyone around you when he's the one causing the turmoil for you and your family. Just Sayin'



Bring up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it...From the Bible, not in quotes because it is not verbatim.

Think of this incident as a "trip out to the wood shed". I never knew there was a publication called HARD TIMES, would NOT buy it...but a lot of people know about it now.
I took one look at this rag and will not do so again. I do not believe it is a public service. On the contrary, I think it is merely exploiting others.

Arrest does not mean guilt. If they only printed those whose cases were final I wouldn't have a problem with it but plastering people's names and pictures for merely being accused is not right.

How would you feel if you were innocent and accused and it was your name and face in the paper?
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Originally posted by logical:
I took one look at this rag and will not do so again. I do not believe it is a public service. On the contrary, I think it is merely exploiting others.

Arrest does not mean guilt. If they only printed those whose cases were final I wouldn't have a problem with it but plastering people's names and pictures for merely being accused is not right.

How would you feel if you were innocent and accused and it was your name and face in the paper?


I would realize that, innocent or not, I did something to get in a situation that would get me accused, arrested, and put in that publication. I don't have a problem with it, it's cheap entertainment. While there may be a couple of actual 'innocent' people in each issue, the vast majority of the folks in there have broken the law. Quite a few are just lowlifes who contribute little to society.
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Originally posted by skreechowl:
..Yes, and now I understand that Shoals Insider plans to join in this rubbish....by the way Shoals Insider....If you are proud of this publication, come out from behind the name with your own....after all, it's just your name....and that isn't important anymore....is it?


The Shoals Insider has been posting the arrests, indictments, foreclosures and divorces for a couple of years now. The owners are accessible through the website and they post their names. They aren't hiding anything. They have been doing a public service and entertainment. Instead of having to go down to the court house and look up something, one can go to the website and find it every week or so. Had your child not misbehaved he would not have been arrested -- which is public record -- and would not have been in any publication, be that the Times Daily, The Shoals Insider, The Hard Times or the Public Records of the County. I understand you are humiliated, but to make such a big deal out of this and downplay your son's actions is just a tad bit of denial. It could be anyone next time. I'm not for the paper, but I am also not against the easy access to the information that the Shoals Insider provides. Also, the HT, has helped one man I know prove he wasn't the one that was arrested because he looked nothing like the guy in the picture -- so in some ways it can serve a purpose.

If just knowing right from wrong doesn't keep someone from misbehaving or the FEAR of being arrested doesn't stop them, then maybe the humiliation of being plastered in a rag across the county will.
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Originally posted by skreechowl:
Having a hard time digesting the ethical aspects of this rag....my young son made some bad choices, got thrown in jail and his face ended up on the front cover of this piece of garbage...my entire family,grandparents and all were devastated....did he do something illegal? Yes, he did...but he paid a much higher price than just a fine for walking out of a bar under the influence.....in my opinion, this is very wrong...

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13A-11-10 - Public intoxication.
(a) A person commits the crime of public intoxication if he appears in a public place under the influence of alcohol, narcotics or other drug to the degree that he endangers himself or another person or property, or by boisterous and offensive conduct annoys another person in his vicinity.
Your son did not just walk out of a bar under the influence.
Did anyone happen to catch this in the article which appeared in the Tues 03-01 edition of the TD entitled: Two arrrested in seperate chases?

Terry said he told the man, identified later as Goins, to stop and get out of the car, but he refused.

“He started the car toward me and I shot him through the window with a taser and he drove off, making a U-turn in Cajuns' parking lot, almost hitting the building, and then going north toward Florence,” Terry said.

Terry said after crossing O'Neal Bridge, Goins got caught in traffic on Mitchell Boulevard. Terry said he rammed the back of the suspect's vehicle, pushing him up on the curb to prevent any kind of accident.

Goins was taken into custody by Terry and officer Ramon Shultz.

“We still don't know why he ran; we didn't find anything inside the car,” Terry said.

He said Goins's driver's license, which had been suspended, was reissued Tuesday.

“We asked him why he ran and he said his picture had been in a local publication and he thought he had outstanding warrants, but none that we have found,” Terry said.

Is this stating that perhaps the information in HARD TIMES is not always accurate????
WHAT if this chase had ended in someone's life being taken including the alleged perpetrator?
Did he run BECAUSE his picture appeared in HARD TIMES?
This publication is sensationalistic in nature and those who support this simply show their callousness and delight in other's misery.
And, UNFORTUNATELY, as has been PROVEN from the posts on this forum, there are a LOT of such individuals who fit this description in the Shoals.
AND, oh yeah, a LOT of BIG churches!
Public humiliation is a great idea. It seems that if more people were REALLY humiliated after they committed stupid acts and got caught, there would be fewer instances of stupid acts.
For the major crimes, though, penalties need to be so harsh that criminals actually have second thoughts before carrying out their thugism. Public canings on the lawn of the court house might do the trick. I'm all for it.
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Originally posted by dark dreamer:
Is this a free publication or do you have to pay for it? I've only saw it once in a gas station in Littleville but had no interest in it but after reading this thread I'd like to see what all the fuss is about.


It costs a dollar. There really isn't much to it. Just pictures of people in jail.
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Originally posted by Capt James T:
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Originally posted by Kenny Powers:
I have heard that if you pay a lump sum(not sure how much) to "Hard Times" they will not post your pic. If true, that alone tells me they could give a sh!t less about doing a community service.


Would this not be considered extortion?


One would think.

I know have heard this. Maybe someone could confirm if it is true?
The only way to keep your picture from appearing in the hard times is: Don't get arrested!!

If you have no life and want to save a $1 you can go to the jail and get this information for free!

Arrest will always be front page news. Unfortunately, being found innocent is seldom reported, and the only people who find out are the people who care for the person accused.
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Originally posted by Kenny Powers:
I have heard that if you pay a lump sum(not sure how much) to "Hard Times" they will not post your pic. If true, that alone tells me they could give a sh!t less about doing a community service.



The Hard Times has addressed this very accusation and states that is completely untrue. I have never met anyone who says they have paid to have their pic not appear, but there certainly is a lot of innuendo out there.
Innocent UNTIL proven guilty.
Look, this is an entrepeneur who had an idea to make money off of a publication and by the posts on this forum: IT HAS WORKED!
A sick, twisted need by the public to revel in the misery of others,
But hey, isn't REALITY television the most watched???????
Speaks VOLUMES about the morals and perception of the public.
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Originally posted by blue angel:
The only way to keep your picture from appearing in the hard times is: Don't get arrested!!

If you have no life and want to save a $1 you can go to the jail and get this information for free!

Arrest will always be front page news. Unfortunately, being found innocent is seldom reported, and the only people who find out are the people who care for the person accused.


Hold cops to some reasonable standard of intelligence and performance, and we wouldn't have so many false arrests.
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Originally posted by wright35633:
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Originally posted by dark dreamer:
Is this a free publication or do you have to pay for it? I've only saw it once in a gas station in Littleville but had no interest in it but after reading this thread I'd like to see what all the fuss is about.


It costs a dollar. There really isn't much to it. Just pictures of people in jail.


I wish I would have thought of it. With all the hateful Rednecks in this state who revel in the misfortune of others, this guy must be making a killing.
If my loved ones are out on the road and you are driving while under the influence, I want your stupid mug plastered all over the place. Who are you to put my family and friends in jeopardy? You deserve what you get, IMO. I'd rather you experience public humiliation than attend the funeral of someone I love just because of your careless and moronic behavior.

Don't do the crime and you won't do the time.
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Originally posted by KissedGrits:
If my loved ones are out on the road and you are driving while under the influence, I want your stupid mug plastered all over the place. Who are you to put my family and friends in jeopardy? You deserve what you get, IMO. I'd rather you experience public humiliation than attend the funeral of someone I love just because of your careless and moronic behavior.

Don't do the crime and you won't do the time.


WELL OK, how about your "stupid" mug being printed in the Hard Times FALSELY as was the case in the article I mentioned before?
How much fact checking goes on in this publication?
And once again, INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN guilty in this media age of Entertainment Tonight journalism can often sway public opinion as to guilt BEFORE a fair trial.
Let's say, this FINE publication started a retract section.
Put the pictures of those who were CHARGED and exonorated!
How about ALL of the media start THIS practice.
That wouldn't sell a lot of paper and quench the public thirst for basking in another's misery!
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Originally posted by rocky:
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Originally posted by KissedGrits:
If my loved ones are out on the road and you are driving while under the influence, I want your stupid mug plastered all over the place. Who are you to put my family and friends in jeopardy? You deserve what you get, IMO. I'd rather you experience public humiliation than attend the funeral of someone I love just because of your careless and moronic behavior.

Don't do the crime and you won't do the time.


WELL OK, how about your "stupid" mug being printed in the Hard Times FALSELY as was the case in the article I mentioned before?
How much fact checking goes on in this publication?
And once again, INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN guilty in this media age of Entertainment Tonight journalism can often sway public opinion as to guilt BEFORE a fair trial.
Let's say, this FINE publication started a retract section.
Put the pictures of those who were CHARGED and exonorated!
How about ALL of the media start THIS practice.
That wouldn't sell a lot of paper and quench the public thirst for basking in another's misery!


Agreed
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Originally posted by rocky:
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Originally posted by KissedGrits:
If my loved ones are out on the road and you are driving while under the influence, I want your stupid mug plastered all over the place. Who are you to put my family and friends in jeopardy? You deserve what you get, IMO. I'd rather you experience public humiliation than attend the funeral of someone I love just because of your careless and moronic behavior.

Don't do the crime and you won't do the time.


WELL OK, how about your "stupid" mug being printed in the Hard Times FALSELY as was the case in the article I mentioned before?
How much fact checking goes on in this publication?
And once again, INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN guilty in this media age of Entertainment Tonight journalism can often sway public opinion as to guilt BEFORE a fair trial.
Let's say, this FINE publication started a retract section.
Put the pictures of those who were CHARGED and exonorated!
How about ALL of the media start THIS practice.
That wouldn't sell a lot of paper and quench the public thirst for basking in another's misery!


Then why don't you create a paper that does just that if it bothers you so much? Why leave it to someone else to do?
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Originally posted by rocky:
Let's say, this FINE publication started a retract section.


There is nothing for them to retract, the people were actually arrested and/or charged with a crime. I am sure if they posted a photo of someone who had not actually been arrested or charged with anything then they would likely print a retraction.

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