Any bets that this is all a case of 'wag the dog' by the B.O. administration in an attempt to draw attention away from the 'phony' scandals the current administration is attempting to quash?  IIRC, the Clinton administration did the 'same sort of thing' during Clinton's 'troubles'.

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Originally Posted by seeweed:

It is a threat overseas. To date, the Obama admin has been pretty hard on Al Queda. I expect them to take care of it so I don't have to worry about it.

 

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That’s the funniest thing I’ve read in a while. Thanks for the joke.

 

Yep, obama's on the job alright. Why, he even knows more than those pesky ruskies, and if he wasn't on "top of it" we couldn't do anything and be safe, like running marathons and such. Oops, never mind. No terrorist attacks on American soil in four months!! Yea obama.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Yep, obama's on the job alright. Why, he even knows more than those pesky ruskies, and if he wasn't on "top of it" we couldn't do anything and be safe, like running marathons and such. Oops, never mind. No terrorist attacks on American soil in four months!! Yea obama.

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If you think it is Obama's job to personally strap on a gun and go hunting for these people in a foreign country, you have an extremely distorted view of what the leader of a country should be doing.

Originally Posted by Capt James T:

Personally, I think it is very strange timing.  Americans are up in arms about the NSA and the various spying programs and all the sudden there is a terrorist plot uncovered using those very types of programs.......

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I agree. The fit that the Republicans have been throwing over the last year about the IRS, Benghazi, Obamacare, is ridiculous in light of what NSA is doing. Yet, try to get one of them to focus on a real issue such as our government spying on us and our allies, and they are silent. Reason? Republicans are eyeball deep in support of the NSA programs. It's all smoke and mirrors yet most Americans can't see that. 

 

I hold most of the Democrats in office responsible too. Its time to clean house in our government. We should pay close attention to how Egypt has taken back their country. I don't advocate for a violent coup by no means, but they have shown us that we can take back the power if we stand together. Those that continue to be distracted by petty scandals will never see the big picture. 

 

 

The only two congressmen that have continuously fought against the spying and spoke out against it are Udell and Wyden. Both Democrats. They were sounding the alarm long before any of us had ever heard of Snowden. 

 

Seems that now we are back to the days of the Bush administration and the fearmongering that was used to get Americans to accept the Patriot Act. Make Americans scared of a terrorist attack and they will allow the government the power to take any measures they want to make us "safe". Even taking away huge chunks of our rights guaranteed by the Constitution. 

Ron Paul was on this, as well.

 

The present NSA program goes well beyond that defined under the Patriot Act. Only phones within the US which received calls from areas with al Qaeda activity such as Afghanistan and Waziristan were to be targeted.  From those numbers, a warrant was to be sought seeking the numbers that US number contacted.  Similar, for email.  However, the wholesale gathering of data for the entire US was not in the law.   

Dire,

 

You always want to conveniently leave out FISA of 2006. Which never would have been passed without the Patriot Act in place. Regardless, it is what it is now. Many of us had no doubt we would be right where we are today, yet so many Americans would not listen then.

 

What has been done about it? Have you written your congressman? I have. Of course here in Alabama it falls on deaf ears. Our congressmen have supported it and continue to do so. 

 

Stop being dazzled by the shiny things and pay attention to whats truly important to our freedoms and democracy. 

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Dire,

 

You always want to conveniently leave out FISA of 2006. Which never would have been passed without the Patriot Act in place. Regardless, it is what it is now. Many of us had no doubt we would be right where we are today, yet so many Americans would not listen then.

 

What has been done about it? Have you written your congressman? I have. Of course here in Alabama it falls on deaf ears. Our congressmen have supported it and continue to do so. 

 

Stop being dazzled by the shiny things and pay attention to whats truly important to our freedoms and democracy. 

Jank,

 

There was no FISA act in 2006, is that court decision, or what? 

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