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Some of the items in the Health Care Plan now in the works: (Yes, someone IS reading the immense document !!! But it isn't your representatives in Washington D.C. !)

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!! You can only get so much "care" per year

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits 4 you. You have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access to individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 your banks accts for elective funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs for private HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services..... Example - Translation for illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individually for Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Benefit Levels for Plans. #AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will be automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monopoly

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll between 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng to Govt will be taxed 2.5%

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (You and I will pay for them)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal recds

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor will be very affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, professional judgments, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing all into Govt HC plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can you say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life. Seniors will be interviewed every year for health issues and decisions made as to what care they can or can't receive

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding you in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those services


This is all in there, check it out yourself! And be afraid. You must contact your representatives and STOP this insane Health Care Plan before they pass it some night at midnight.

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Originally posted by Shugpie:
Some of the items in the Health Care Plan now in the works: (Yes, someone IS reading the immense document !!! But it isn't your representatives in Washington D.C. !)

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!! You can only get so much "care" per year

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits 4 you. You have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access to individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 your banks accts for elective funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs for private HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services..... Example - Translation for illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individually for Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Benefit Levels for Plans. #AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will be automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monopoly

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll between 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng to Govt will be taxed 2.5%

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (You and I will pay for them)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal recds

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor will be very affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, professional judgments, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing all into Govt HC plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can you say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life. Seniors will be interviewed every year for health issues and decisions made as to what care they can or can't receive

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding you in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those services


This is all in there, check it out yourself! And be afraid. You must contact your representatives and STOP this insane Health Care Plan before they pass it some night at midnight.



The media and crooked politicians have ruined this country. Nothing short of a revolution will bring back what we once knew. I find it hard to believe that people voted for Obama. His lies were very apparent to me. The deceit of all politicians is so entrenched that I doubt McCain would have been any better. No one man runs this country. It is time all this PC B/S is stopped and things allowed to run their natural course. Acorn, Sotomayor, B Frank...this is totally crazy. The Dem/Repub parties have to go. Both have change drastically in the last ten years.
Do you have any idea how much money that our hospitals here in the Shoals throw at lobbyists to protest affordable healthcare?

Hospitals throw away money on useless consultants to do stupid things like surveys and employee evaluations that should be done by the personnel office or supervisors. Thousands of dollars wasted right here.

Just recently, hospitals in Alabama are now made to report infections like staph to the State Health Department. This gives you an opportunity to check and see how well Alabama hospitals keep infection rates under control. So you have the choice of choosing another hospital in case their infection rate is high.

The people in this forum fighting health care must have excellent healthcare insurance and that's great because Obama said if you like your insurance plan you don't have to change. Most people do not give a flip one way or another about whether anybody else has healthcare, other than themselves. If you put the shoe on the other foot you would be one of those wishing for affordable healthcare. I can't believe why anyone would not want affordable healthcare. The socialist BS you right wingers dig up from the right wing hate talk radio that spreads your belief and scare the hell out of people that want affordable healthcare.
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affordable healthcare.

How much will that cost Blue?
One and a half trillion?
To start?
Taxes on everyone. Limited coverage, no meds, no medical equipment, a $5000 limit per year, decisions made by paper pushers, not doctors, bankrupting SS, Medicare, and Medicaid more than they are now?
Why tear apart three systems to make one?

You want affordable health care? BCBS Individual Blue plan $85 bucks a month.
Cynergy health care for one person $185 a month, no waiting period for preexisting.
Need the family plan? About $285.

Its out there already. LOOK!
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Originally posted by Nobluedog:
Do you have any idea how much money that our hospitals here in the Shoals throw at lobbyists to protest affordable healthcare?

Hospitals throw away money on useless consultants to do stupid things like surveys and employee evaluations that should be done by the personnel office or supervisors. Thousands of dollars wasted right here.

Just recently, hospitals in Alabama are now made to report infections like staph to the State Health Department. This gives you an opportunity to check and see how well Alabama hospitals keep infection rates under control. So you have the choice of choosing another hospital in case their infection rate is high.

The people in this forum fighting health care must have excellent healthcare insurance and that's great because Obama said if you like your insurance plan you don't have to change. Most people do not give a flip one way or another about whether anybody else has healthcare, other than themselves. If you put the shoe on the other foot you would be one of those wishing for affordable healthcare. I can't believe why anyone would not want affordable healthcare. The socialist BS you right wingers dig up from the right wing hate talk radio that spreads your belief and scare the hell out of people that want affordable healthcare.



Medicare, medicaid, social security. You want the same people that destroyed these to run our health care system?
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Originally posted by misterme:
quote:
Originally posted by Nobluedog:
Do you have any idea how much money that our hospitals here in the Shoals throw at lobbyists to protest affordable healthcare?

Hospitals throw away money on useless consultants to do stupid things like surveys and employee evaluations that should be done by the personnel office or supervisors. Thousands of dollars wasted right here.

Just recently, hospitals in Alabama are now made to report infections like staph to the State Health Department. This gives you an opportunity to check and see how well Alabama hospitals keep infection rates under control. So you have the choice of choosing another hospital in case their infection rate is high.

The people in this forum fighting health care must have excellent healthcare insurance and that's great because Obama said if you like your insurance plan you don't have to change. Most people do not give a flip one way or another about whether anybody else has healthcare, other than themselves. If you put the shoe on the other foot you would be one of those wishing for affordable healthcare. I can't believe why anyone would not want affordable healthcare. The socialist BS you right wingers dig up from the right wing hate talk radio that spreads your belief and scare the hell out of people that want affordable healthcare.



Medicare, medicaid, social security. You want the same people that destroyed these to run our health care system?
What you really don't seem to know is that Democratic presidents started all of those programs and where in the world would poor old people be with out them .FDR started social security , JOHNSON finished up with the other two.All with loud opposition from the SNOUTS just like this time around with health care reform.
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Originally posted by ka-0-hub:
quote:
Originally posted by misterme:
quote:
Originally posted by Nobluedog:
Do you have any idea how much money that our hospitals here in the Shoals throw at lobbyists to protest affordable healthcare?

Hospitals throw away money on useless consultants to do stupid things like surveys and employee evaluations that should be done by the personnel office or supervisors. Thousands of dollars wasted right here.

Just recently, hospitals in Alabama are now made to report infections like staph to the State Health Department. This gives you an opportunity to check and see how well Alabama hospitals keep infection rates under control. So you have the choice of choosing another hospital in case their infection rate is high.

The people in this forum fighting health care must have excellent healthcare insurance and that's great because Obama said if you like your insurance plan you don't have to change. Most people do not give a flip one way or another about whether anybody else has healthcare, other than themselves. If you put the shoe on the other foot you would be one of those wishing for affordable healthcare. I can't believe why anyone would not want affordable healthcare. The socialist BS you right wingers dig up from the right wing hate talk radio that spreads your belief and scare the hell out of people that want affordable healthcare.



Medicare, medicaid, social security. You want the same people that destroyed these to run our health care system?
What you really don't seem to know is that Democratic presidents started all of those programs and where in the world would poor old people be with out them .FDR started social security , JOHNSON finished up with the other two.All with loud opposition from the SNOUTS just like this time around with health care reform.



Not talking about who started them, talking about who destroyed them. Its not a dem/rep thing. Its a dirty politician thing.

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