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An excerpt from Ezekiel and an example of the morality children can learn from the bible. 

 

"14 “But she carried her prostitution still further. She saw men portrayed on a wall, figures of Chaldeans[a] portrayed in red, 15 with belts around their waists and flowing turbans on their heads; all of them looked like Babylonian chariot officers, natives of Chaldea.[b] 16 As soon as she saw them, she lusted after them and sent messengers to them in Chaldea. 17

 
Then the Babylonians came to her, to the bed of love, and in their lust they defiled her. After she had been defiled by them, she turned away from them in disgust. 
18 When she carried on her prostitution openly and exposed her naked body, I turned away from her in disgust, just as I had turned away from her sister. 19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 21 So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young ******* fondled.[c]"


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And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 2 Kings 2:23

 

And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. 2 Kings 2:24a

 

And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them. 2 Kings 2:24b

 

And he went from thence to mount Carmel, and from thence he returned to Samaria. 2 Kings 2:25
Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

If I walk into a bar and there is a record skipping I'm going to say "hey barkeep there record is skipping".  It doesn't mean I care about the record or the music I just don't like to be annoyed.

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No, you'd do it for the chance to bellyache about something. IF some place annoys me, I stay away. It's not like anyone puts a gun to your head and forces you to come here and read the posts. 

Sue darwin, being the atheist what part of that quote do you disagree with? If any. I assume you take exception with  such sexual exhibitions and you are prepared to allow that persons are prohibited from the practice. Based on what? As the common beast you cannot charge that anything is abnormal or that such acts should be frowned upon based on your opinion that the Bible contains these references to any detriment of mankind.

   I therefore insist that based on your being the atheist that you pretend to be that you declare in no uncertain terms that these practices are wholesome; otherwise you are making up moral laws  based on your belief in God.

Hi Sue, or Fish, Deep, Al, or GD -- or whichever incarnation you are using today,

 

Typical of atheists, you have not quoted from a Bible translation -- but, instead you have quoted from a paraphrase, i.e., the New Living Testament, which is nothing more than a bad commentary.

 

Now, when you want to discuss issues in the BIBLE, see if you can find one and let's chat.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Bill Gray...

 

Here is the King James translation of the same passage:

 

14 And she increased her w h o r edoms; for she saw men portrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans portrayed with vermilion,

15 girded with girdles upon their loins, with flowing turbans upon their heads, all of them princes to look upon, after the likeness of the Babylonians in Chaldea, the land of their nativity.

16 And as soon as she saw them she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea.

17 And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their *****dom, and she was polluted with them, and her soul was alienated from them.

18 So she uncovered her w h o r edoms, and uncovered her nakedness: then my soul was alienated from her, like as my soul was alienated from her sister.

19 Yet she multiplied her w h o r edoms, remembering the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.

20 And she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.

21 Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in the handling of thy bosom by the Egyptians for the b r e a s t s of thy youth.


Paraphrase or word for word translation--the passage uses some pretty earthy situations to paint an allegory of Israel's  unfaithfulness.  The KJV  keeps the prissy  forum censor busy.

quote:   Originally Posted by Contendah:

Bill Gray...   Here is the King James translation of the same passage:   Paraphrase or word for word translation--the passage uses some pretty earthy situations to paint an allegory of Israel's  unfaithfulness.  The KJV  keeps the prissy forum censor busy.


Hi Contendah,

 

True, whether using a Bible translation or a paraphrase commentary -- the story of Israel's idolatry is not a pretty thing.   And, to God's credit, He shows us our Christian history as it is -- warts and all.   He shows us how Abraham failed many times -- but, still remained the patriarch of Israel.  He shows us how far David had fallen -- but, was lifted up and declared a man after God's own heart.

 

He showed us how Peter could deny Christ three times -- and still be a beloved apostle.  He tells us how the apostle Paul admits that the things he would do to please God, he does not do -- and the things he does.  In Romans 7:19-20 Paul laments, "For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.  But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me."  Yet, Paul became the most prolific of Biblical writer -- used greatly by God.

 

So, what this tells us is that no matter how weak you and I are in doing God's will on earth -- He forgives us when we repents -- and will use us, in spite of ourselves.  He is an awesome God.

 

But, regarding the paraphrase commentary on the Bible -- I prefer to use one of the word-by-word translations for my Bible study and, most often, for my writings.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

I think the whole lot of you are a argument for Christianity.   Who wants to take even the slimmest chance of being stuck with these annoying people for eternity?   You people are probably the ones who post pictures of their cats on facebook.  No one cares about your dang cat either!

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You aren't making any sense. How would you be stuck with anyone for eternity? Are you as concerned with the people that would be stuck with YOU if eternity was a possibility? I pity the ones stuck with you for now. You use a face book account to do the same thing you do here? Run around telling people what they should or shouldn't post/think? What sense does it make that you seek out people you feel "annoy" you? I haven't had a cat in years, but I do like them, and if I had a face book account, which I don't, and a friend put a picture of their cat on their page I'd enjoy seeing it. And lastly, I say the same about you as I have about a few others, with you there they'd have a lot of nerve calling it a heaven.

Funny isn't it. They clamor to have books banned from libraries and schools, jerked from shevles, and they gather to burn those books, music, works of "art", anything they think is too violent or "dirty" for their precious children to be exposed to. BUT they want the bible, one of the most vile books ever written, taught in schools to OUR children.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Sue, or Fish, Deep, Al, or GD -- or whichever incarnation you are using today,

 

 

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Heeeeeyyyy. Wait a minute.

 

I thought *I* was deepfish or whoever you consantly babble on about.

 

At least that's what you called me (and anybody else who doesn't do the baptist lockstep).

 

Get with the program, fool.

I guess O No doesn't know these Christians then....

 

Art House film pulled after complaints from churches, leaders

 

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/...p=1&tc=pghttp://

In an email to local businesswoman Erin Jones, whose The Left Hand Soap Co. planned to sponsor the film, Fuller wrote “If you are content with the negative publicity that will be pointed towards your business, then you probably should just trash this letter. But as you read this letter I am in collusion with many area pastors who are going to pool their resources and mobilize their congregations in an intense and very public resistance toward the showing of this movie, its sponsors, the Bama Theater, and the Arts Council.”

 

http://www.usatoday.com/life/m...7-eclipse07_CV_N.htm

Roberta Combs, president of the Christian Coalition of America, which called for a ban on the Potter series, says she's considering a similar campaign against Twilight because even though it's pro-abstinence, it's also pro-vampires.

 

She says vampires are definitely not good role models, and she blames Hollywood.

"We can let our voices be heard, and anytime you do that you have an effect one way or another," Combs says. "These Twilight books are very disturbing books for family values. Teen marriage is not the standard, but the part that is more troubling is the vampire. It's just not normal for young people to idolize a vampire."

 

Christians and Muslims unite in new bid to silence Lady Gaga

http://www.guardian.co.uk/musi...s-asian-concert-bans

The Gaga saga started in April in Seoul, the first stop on her 17-date tour. Calling Lady Gaga's music "the work of Satan", Christian groups held prayer meetings dedicated to banning the concert. Ju-Hyun, a prayer organiser, said the meetings were organised "so that homosexuality and ****ography [would] not spread around the country".

Tickets sold to children were eventually refunded after the government rated the concert unsuitable and the Korean Association of Church Communication vowed to take "concerted action to stop young people from being infected with homosexuality and ****ography".

 

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

I think the whole lot of you are a argument for Christianity.   Who wants to take even the slimmest chance of being stuck with these annoying people for eternity?   You people are probably the ones who post pictures of their cats on facebook.  No one cares about your dang cat either!

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You aren't making any sense. How would you be stuck with anyone for eternity? Are you as concerned with the people that would be stuck with YOU if eternity was a possibility? I pity the ones stuck with you for now. You use a face book account to do the same thing you do here? Run around telling people what they should or shouldn't post/think? What sense does it make that you seek out people you feel "annoy" you? I haven't had a cat in years, but I do like them, and if I had a face book account, which I don't, and a friend put a picture of their cat on their page I'd enjoy seeing it. And lastly, I say the same about you as I have about a few others, with you there they'd have a lot of nerve calling it a heaven.

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Never would I post a picture of my cat on Facebook, since I do not own a cat and never will acquire a cat.  Cats have never been domesticated.  All too many of them are permitted to roam at large and kill birds and small mammals.  Often they simply kill their prey without consuming it.  Free roaming cats are vile creatures.  I have legally killed my share and more of them.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Sue, or Fish, Deep, Al, or GD -- or whichever incarnation you are using today, 

Typical of atheists, you have not quoted from a Bible translation -- but, instead you have quoted from a paraphrase, i.e., the New Living Testament, which is nothing more than a bad commentary. Now, when you want to discuss issues in the BIBLE, see if you can find one and let's chat.

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Originally Posted by Contendah:

Bill Gray... 

Here is the King James translation of the same passage:

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Contendah,

True, whether using a Bible translation or a paraphrase commentary -- the story of Israel's idolatry is not a pretty thing.

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Billy, kinda doing the two-step aren’t you?  First you said Sue had not quoted that from a Bible translation. Then Contendah shows you the KJ version. I’m surprised you even replied to him, much less admit he was right, given your record for running off when shown you’re wrong about something.

 

What is your obsession with goldfish? I've seen you say A. Robustus & Pup both is Fish, I'm sure there is more. You need to keep up with all your other ID's instead of worrying about Fish.

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by O No!:

No, I DON'T know them, or anyone like them. There are screwed up people in EVERY group, whether we are talking about religion or the Micky Mouse fan club. That is life in the real world. Get used to it or you're going to be fighting SOMEONE all of your life.

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Its not just a small minority. Google it. Its rampant in the Christian community. Regardless you ask who "they" are and now you know.

 

Some of us don't have a problem standing up for what is right and fighting against censorship based on religious beliefs. Don't worry about the battles I fight. The real world is something YOU don't enjoy living in, I have no problem facing reality and all its good and bad. I can do it without a sky daddy too...LOL

Considering the vast majority of people in the US identify themselves as Christian, I think if you look at the percentage of Christians who are pro-book burning, etc. you will find that it is a TINY percentage. Because of your obsession, you have blown it all out of proportion in your mind. But I guess that's your problem.

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

I guess O No doesn't know these Christians then....

 

Art House film pulled after complaints from churches, leaders

 

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/...p=1&tc=pghttp://

In an email to local businesswoman Erin Jones, whose The Left Hand Soap Co. planned to sponsor the film, Fuller wrote “If you are content with the negative publicity that will be pointed towards your business, then you probably should just trash this letter. But as you read this letter I am in collusion with many area pastors who are going to pool their resources and mobilize their congregations in an intense and very public resistance toward the showing of this movie, its sponsors, the Bama Theater, and the Arts Council.”

 

http://www.usatoday.com/life/m...7-eclipse07_CV_N.htm

Roberta Combs, president of the Christian Coalition of America, which called for a ban on the Potter series, says she's considering a similar campaign against Twilight because even though it's pro-abstinence, it's also pro-vampires.

 

She says vampires are definitely not good role models, and she blames Hollywood.

"We can let our voices be heard, and anytime you do that you have an effect one way or another," Combs says. "These Twilight books are very disturbing books for family values. Teen marriage is not the standard, but the part that is more troubling is the vampire. It's just not normal for young people to idolize a vampire."

 

Christians and Muslims unite in new bid to silence Lady Gaga

http://www.guardian.co.uk/musi...s-asian-concert-bans

The Gaga saga started in April in Seoul, the first stop on her 17-date tour. Calling Lady Gaga's music "the work of Satan", Christian groups held prayer meetings dedicated to banning the concert. Ju-Hyun, a prayer organiser, said the meetings were organised "so that homosexuality and ****ography [would] not spread around the country".

Tickets sold to children were eventually refunded after the government rated the concert unsuitable and the Korean Association of Church Communication vowed to take "concerted action to stop young people from being infected with homosexuality and ****ography".

 

 

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When Christians, "concerned parents", or others vigorously campaign for the removal of a raunchy movie, the typical result is that the movie receives far more publicity than it otherwise would.  Newspapers and local TV and radio stations pick up the story and publicize the dispute and many persons who would otherwise never have heard of the movie will be stimulated (take that any way you wish) to go see it.

 

This scenario occurred in Alabama in the late 1960s when the movie, The Fox, was shown in Mobile. The Fox was probably the first movie where a lesbian relationship was central to the story. News coverage was widespread and the consensus back then was that the high attendance rate was directly influenced by all the "adverse" publicity. I recall, though, that one person wrote a letter to a local paper complaining because he took his young children to see a "nature movie" and found out that the only wild life involved was that between Sandy Dennis and her lesbian lover, Ann Heywood.  Evidently this gentleman did NOT follow the controversy in the media.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_(1967_film)

 

http://www.tcm.com/this-month/...648%7C0/The-Fox.html

Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

I LOL at Bill, suggesting that I'm using sock accounts. 

 

I am not.

 

However, I do encourage everyone to read the Bible.  All of it.

 

In this fashion, atheists are made.

 

DF

Question for you Deep as you represent the atheist segment here on this forum.

What value do you place on the one single soul [semiannual chick] that ‘y’all’ have managed to claim?

You must feel some satisfaction. I just wonder, since y’all have worked so hard, what your triumph feels like. I might suggest T-shirts or bumper stickers, even a billboard to show the world what you have done.

Anyone is free to answer since DF feels inferior to me and feigns deafness when I speak.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

What is your obsession with goldfish? I've seen you say A. Robustus & Pup both is Fish, I'm sure there is more. You need to keep up with all your other ID's instead of worrying about Fish.

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Semi,
Unlike God, Fish is omnipresent and can simultaneously embody any and all living creatures, plants & rocks at will. Bill is the only one that can detect him though

Originally Posted by O No!:

Considering the vast majority of people in the US identify themselves as Christian, I think if you look at the percentage of Christians who are pro-book burning, etc. you will find that it is a TINY percentage. Because of your obsession, you have blown it all out of proportion in your mind. But I guess that's your problem.

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My obsession? hahahaha I guess you could say my being opposed to censorship and religious oppression is an obsession if you want to call it that. I consider it a right.

 

I can always count on you to throw out the "No true Scotsman" argument. According to you I would say the tiny percentage you speak of is the actual Christians and all others are "Not real Christians" I could fill this forum up with links to Christian groups who want to ban or censor, books, music and movies based on their own religious beliefs. However, you tell me that because you don't know any of them the numbers are insignificant.

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:
Originally Posted by O No!:

Considering the vast majority of people in the US identify themselves as Christian, I think if you look at the percentage of Christians who are pro-book burning, etc. you will find that it is a TINY percentage. Because of your obsession, you have blown it all out of proportion in your mind. But I guess that's your problem.

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My obsession? hahahaha I guess you could say my being opposed to censorship and religious oppression is an obsession if you want to call it that. I consider it a right.

 

I can always count on you to throw out the "No true Scotsman" argument. According to you I would say the tiny percentage you speak of is the actual Christians and all others are "Not real Christians" I could fill this forum up with links to Christian groups who want to ban or censor, books, music and movies based on their own religious beliefs. However, you tell me that because you don't know any of them the numbers are insignificant.

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No, I'm just able to look at it REALISTICALLY.

 

I don’t know but two female atheists on here and one of the two is very dear even tho I’ve only known her for a short period and she is a sweetie. The other one took me into her bosom but double crossed me more than once. I want to be very careful that i do not  personally insult the first one I mentioned as she might be one of the persons on here, I doubt it .  ….so dark woman therein lies a dilemma for me.

 

  The second one fell victim to gofish.

Originally Posted by vega:
Question for you Deepas you represent the atheist segment here on this forum.

What value do you place on the one single soul [semiannual chick] that ‘y’all’ have managed to claim?

You must feel some satisfaction. I just wonder, since y’all have worked so hard, what your triumph feels like. I might suggest T-shirts or bumper stickers, even a billboard to show the world what you have done.

Anyone is free to answer since DF feels inferior to me and feigns deafness when I speak.

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I can answer that question. No one has has claimed the soul of chick. I still control my own choices & so far, no one, Christian or Atheist, has proved anything of which I've asked for.

 

Sometimes you can be sweet, other times you can be a butt, as we all can. But I can say that not one Atheist here has ever tried to claim my soul, as you put it.

There's not one Atheist on here that I dislike, but I can't say that for some of the Christians. With Atheist, I always know where I stand. No deceit, no lies, no hypocrites.

Deep is a sweetheart!!

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