Well maybe. Your opinion ONO. I like Bush, and he had degrees from Yale and Harvard.
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Barack Obama’s Education Background
He’s probably one of the more worldly candidates running for President this year. Barack Obama has traveled the world, and his travels took him to a few well-known universities. Find out if you share an alma mater with Obama, or just get more information about this candidate before you vote.
barack obama
High School:
Punahou School
Honolulu, HI
Graduated in 1979
College:
Occidental College, 2 years, no degree
Columbia University
Bachelor’s Degree in International Relations
Graduated in 1983
Harvard Law
Juris Doctorate (J.D.)
Graduated in 1991
Magna Cum Laude
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Barack Obama’s GPA and College Records
So how did Barack Obama fare in college?
It’s unclear how well he did as an undergraduate, although he was not a distinguished student. Obama refuses to release his transcript from his undergraduate years. According to an article in the Wall Street Journal, Obama was not well-known among classmates after he transferred to Columbia University from Occidental College in the early 1980s. The article quotes a former roommate who states that Obama’s performance improved after he stopped taking drugs (which Obama has admitted to openly). Since Obama did not graduate with honors, that means his GPA was between a 2.0 and a 3.3 — although, since he was admitted to Harvard Law School, it’s hard to imagine his GPA was much lower than a 3.3.
Obama graduated from Columbia in 1983 with a degree in political science. He specialized in international relations.
Law school was another story for Obama. He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School (the second highest honor available) in 1991. He also was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, a very prestigious honor.
Obama:
Such hints of a possible new policy focus are a relatively recent development from Obama, who once said that he had “undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action” in his own academic career, though he didn’t specify at what institution he had so benefited. Friends have since recalled him saying that he did not list his race on his Harvard Law School application, though the candidate has said only that "I have no way of knowing whether I was a beneficiary of affirmative action either in my admission to Harvard or my initial election to the Review. If I was, then I certainly am not ashamed of the fact, for I would argue that affirmative action is important precisely because those who benefit typically rise to the challenge when given an opportunity.”
quote:Originally posted by Peter Rielly:quote:Originally posted by beternU:
The die-hard true believers who actually think Palin has a brain and would be competent to be President desperately need to have information that will deflect them from these kinds of gross misconceptions. They are not likely to get it from Republicans, who fear that criticism of Palin will lose votes for them. Thus it befalls progressive to help enlighten these wretched dupes! As true patriots, we must protect this nation from enemies without and within!
beter... you do realize that YOU are the one having the constant conniption fit about Palin and Beck right?? Very few posters on this forum actually start threads devoted to their passionate belief that Palin would be the best person to be the prez. I know I havent. I have never once stated that I wanted her as the president, or even the vice president for that matter. Simply that I would take her over Obama or Biden anyday. But lesser of two evils votes don't count as "die-hard true believers" votes as you mentioned here.
Once again... YOU ARE THE ONE HERE OBSESSED WITH PALIN AND GLENN BECK!! No one comes close to matching that obsession beter... no one. lol
So---in the small pond of this little forum you find me to be the big frog of alleged obsession with Palin. I am happy to take that role.
No one more than Palin is as much abroad in the land daily dispensing heavy doses of criticism at the President and many others with whom she disagrees. According to you, though, neither I nor anyone else should be moved to disagree with the Wacko of Wasilla or to point up those instances in which she so confidently utters laughable and erroneous pronouncements on matters she is obviously uninformed about.
Sorry, but she will not get a free pass from beternU. To the discomfort of you and others, and for the enlightenment of those deluded souls who sincerely believe Palin is a viable candidate for national office, I shall boldly continue to chronicle the inane nutterances that proceed from her flapping, undisciplined pie hole!
As for Beck, if you will check back in the forum, you will find I have not had all that much to say about that pudgy televangelist/conspiracy theorist. I choose to specialize in Palin, with only a minor interest in Beck. I do reserve the prerogative to address his nonsense from time to time when he says something exceptionally egregious (his nutterances being primarily of only average egregiousness).
I trust that this satisfies your concerns with regard to my interest in the half-governor half wit of the frozen north!
Bush only earned C's at both Yale, and at Harvard Business school.
Whether Obama was benefitted by affirmative action doesn't really matter because he did indeed, rise to the challenge.
Bush benefitted from his daddy's money, and he barely squeaked through.
And we've already been through this with Palin. How many colleges and junior colleges? No honors. (No brains, and no class either.)
Whether Obama was benefitted by affirmative action doesn't really matter because he did indeed, rise to the challenge.
Bush benefitted from his daddy's money, and he barely squeaked through.
And we've already been through this with Palin. How many colleges and junior colleges? No honors. (No brains, and no class either.)
quote:Originally posted by O No!:quote:Originally posted by ferrellj:
You would think with all that education he would make a better leader.
He DOES!
Better by far than the last one we had, and better by REALLY REALLY far than Palin the Joke ever could.
We will just have to agree to disagree on this one. Any idea where he is leading on the Egyptian mess?
quote:Originally posted by beternU:quote:Originally posted by Peter Rielly:quote:Originally posted by beternU:
The die-hard true believers who actually think Palin has a brain and would be competent to be President desperately need to have information that will deflect them from these kinds of gross misconceptions. They are not likely to get it from Republicans, who fear that criticism of Palin will lose votes for them. Thus it befalls progressive to help enlighten these wretched dupes! As true patriots, we must protect this nation from enemies without and within!
beter... you do realize that YOU are the one having the constant conniption fit about Palin and Beck right?? Very few posters on this forum actually start threads devoted to their passionate belief that Palin would be the best person to be the prez. I know I havent. I have never once stated that I wanted her as the president, or even the vice president for that matter. Simply that I would take her over Obama or Biden anyday. But lesser of two evils votes don't count as "die-hard true believers" votes as you mentioned here.
Once again... YOU ARE THE ONE HERE OBSESSED WITH PALIN AND GLENN BECK!! No one comes close to matching that obsession beter... no one. lol
So---in the small pond of this little forum you find me to be the big frog of alleged obsession with Palin. I am happy to take that role.
No one more than Palin is as much abroad in the land daily dispensing heavy doses of criticism at the President and many others with whom she disagrees. According to you, though, neither I nor anyone else should be moved to disagree with the Wacko of Wasilla or to point up those instances in which she so confidently utters laughable and erroneous pronouncements on matters she is obviously uninformed about.
Sorry, but she will not get a free pass from beternU. To the discomfort of you and others, and for the enlightenment of those deluded souls who sincerely believe Palin is a viable candidate for national office, I shall boldly continue to chronicle the inane nutterances that proceed from her flapping, undisciplined pie hole!
As for Beck, if you will check back in the forum, you will find I have not had all that much to say about that pudgy televangelist/conspiracy theorist. I choose to specialize in Palin, with only a minor interest in Beck. I do reserve the prerogative to address his nonsense from time to time when he says something exceptionally egregious (his nutterances being primarily of only average egregiousness).
I trust that this satisfies your concerns with regard to my interest in the half-governor half wit of the frozen north!
You're giving Palin too much credit. None of her commentary is her own thoughts, she is simply regurgitating what her handlers have taught her. She will be in Iowa for the caucuses in about a year. She will be in the 2012 campaign. Hopefully, she will lose.
Long Live JuanHunt!!!
Ferril, what CAN he do that he isn't already doing? It's a powderkeg, and he is taking a slow and cautious approach. The Republican leadership mainly agrees that he is handling it well.
http://www.latimes.com/news/po...10131,1,385168.story
http://www.latimes.com/news/po...10131,1,385168.story
quote:Originally posted by O No!:
Bush only earned C's at both Yale, and at Harvard Business school.
Whether Obama was benefitted by affirmative action doesn't really matter because he did indeed, rise to the challenge.
Bush benefitted from his daddy's money, and he barely squeaked through.
And we've already been through this with Palin. How many colleges and junior colleges? No honors. (No brains, and no class either.)
What grades did Obama get at Occidental?
What grades did he get at Columbia?
As for AA, it could have also helped him with his grades. Too many times people get 'perks' along the way. You may think Bush is a moron for "C", but we know what he had. Kerry also had "C", but he was never called a moron nor did any one question his intelligence. Obama did 'drugs' but cleaned up enough to graduate Magna Cum Laude. I don't buy it, but I'm a skeptical person.
So three colleges for Obama is OK, but Palin gets blasted for her colleges. Whatever.
Of the four running in 08, only one had executive experience, that no brain Palin.
B, Affirmative action will help someone GET into college, but it won't raise their grades once they are in.
I don't think Bush is a moron just because he had a C average. It is his actions as president combined with his butchering of the English language that makes me think that.
And Palin went to six different colleges, some of them junior colleges, and NONE of them had the quality of education that one receives at Columbia or Harvard. You know, she never released her college transcripts either. I have the feeling it is because her grades were so low, even at her junior colleges.
And as far as Obama using drugs in his youth, so did Bush, along with his admitted alcohol problem.
Face it, you may not like Obama, but he is smarter and better educated than either of the other two.
I don't think Bush is a moron just because he had a C average. It is his actions as president combined with his butchering of the English language that makes me think that.
And Palin went to six different colleges, some of them junior colleges, and NONE of them had the quality of education that one receives at Columbia or Harvard. You know, she never released her college transcripts either. I have the feeling it is because her grades were so low, even at her junior colleges.
And as far as Obama using drugs in his youth, so did Bush, along with his admitted alcohol problem.
Face it, you may not like Obama, but he is smarter and better educated than either of the other two.
I know Bush had an alcohol problem. He quit years before taking office.
Obama used cocaine until he got to Harvard.
As for the smarter one, I guess a lawyer would know how to break the law better than a business major.
Obama used cocaine until he got to Harvard.
As for the smarter one, I guess a lawyer would know how to break the law better than a business major.
quote:Originally posted by b50m:
I know Bush had an alcohol problem. He quit years before taking office.
Obama used cocaine until he got to Harvard.
As for the smarter one, I guess a lawyer would know how to break the law better than a business major.
Thats a reasonable explanation for BushII not knowing that wiretapping Americans without a warrant was illegal.
It doesn't explain why the lawyer Obama keeps doing it.
quote:Originally posted by O No!:
He graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School. That means he was in the top ten percent at a school that is VERY hard to get into. We've been through this before over here.
From Biography.com:
After high school, Obama studied at Occidental College in Los Angeles for two years. He then transferred to Columbia University in New York, graduating in 1983 with a degree in political science. After working in the business sector for two years, Obama moved to Chicago in 1985. There, he worked on the South Side as a community organizer for low-income residents in the Roseland and the Altgeld Gardens communities.
It was during this time that Obama, who said he "was not raised in a religious household," joined the Trinity United Church of Christ. He also visited relatives in Kenya, which included an emotional visit to the graves of his biological father and paternal grandfather. "For a long time I sat between the two graves and wept," Obama said. "I saw that my life in America—the black life, the white life, the sense of abandonment I felt as a boy, the frustration and hope I'd witnessed in Chicago—all of it was connected with this small plot of earth an ocean away."
Obama returned from Kenya with a sense of renewal, entering Harvard Law School in 1988. The next year, he met Michelle Robinson, an associate at Sidley & Austin law firm in Chicago. She was assigned to be Obama's adviser during a summer internship at the firm, and soon the couple began dating. In February 1990, Obama was elected the first African-American editor of the Harvard Law Review, and he graduated magna cum laude in 1991.
After law school, Obama returned to Chicago to practice as a civil rights lawyer, joining the firm of Miner, Barnhill & Galland. He also taught at the University of Chicago Law School, and helped organize voter registration drives during Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign. On October 3, 1992, he and Michelle were married. They moved to Kenwood, on Chicago's South Side, and welcomed two daughters: Malia (born 1998) and Sasha (born 2001).
No, we are told he graduated Magna Cum Laude. Again, he refuses to allow access to his grades, or his thesis and other paper. Why!
Could it be the same reason he refuses access to his birth certificate? I'm not a birther by the way, just sayin.
quote:Originally posted by ferrellj:
Could it be the same reason he refuses access to his birth certificate? I'm not a birther by the way, just sayin.
Letting the birth certificate issue fester is making the right fringe look like idiots. And it cost OBama nothing...he doesnt have to address their concerns, just ignore them. Its a smart political strategery.
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:quote:Originally posted by ferrellj:
Could it be the same reason he refuses access to his birth certificate? I'm not a birther by the way, just sayin.
Letting the birth certificate issue fester is making the right fringe look like idiots. And it cost OBama nothing...he doesnt have to address their concerns, just ignore them. Its a smart political strategery.
We'll see how smart it is in 2012 when has to produce it to run again.
quote:Originally posted by beternU:quote:Originally posted by Peter Rielly:quote:Originally posted by beternU:
The die-hard true believers who actually think Palin has a brain and would be competent to be President desperately need to have information that will deflect them from these kinds of gross misconceptions. They are not likely to get it from Republicans, who fear that criticism of Palin will lose votes for them. Thus it befalls progressive to help enlighten these wretched dupes! As true patriots, we must protect this nation from enemies without and within!
beter... you do realize that YOU are the one having the constant conniption fit about Palin and Beck right?? Very few posters on this forum actually start threads devoted to their passionate belief that Palin would be the best person to be the prez. I know I havent. I have never once stated that I wanted her as the president, or even the vice president for that matter. Simply that I would take her over Obama or Biden anyday. But lesser of two evils votes don't count as "die-hard true believers" votes as you mentioned here.
Once again... YOU ARE THE ONE HERE OBSESSED WITH PALIN AND GLENN BECK!! No one comes close to matching that obsession beter... no one. lol
So---in the small pond of this little forum you find me to be the big frog of alleged obsession with Palin. I am happy to take that role.
No one more than Palin is as much abroad in the land daily dispensing heavy doses of criticism at the President and many others with whom she disagrees. According to you, though, neither I nor anyone else should be moved to disagree with the Wacko of Wasilla or to point up those instances in which she so confidently utters laughable and erroneous pronouncements on matters she is obviously uninformed about.
Sorry, but she will not get a free pass from beternU. To the discomfort of you and others, and for the enlightenment of those deluded souls who sincerely believe Palin is a viable candidate for national office, I shall boldly continue to chronicle the inane nutterances that proceed from her flapping, undisciplined pie hole!
As for Beck, if you will check back in the forum, you will find I have not had all that much to say about that pudgy televangelist/conspiracy theorist. I choose to specialize in Palin, with only a minor interest in Beck. I do reserve the prerogative to address his nonsense from time to time when he says something exceptionally egregious (his nutterances being primarily of only average egregiousness).
I trust that this satisfies your concerns with regard to my interest in the half-governor half wit of the frozen north!
and what happens if Palin doesn't run for any political office?? You've wasted a lot of time. lol
And why don't you also focus attention on "wackos" on the left? Do you think that every leftist is sane but Palin is wacko? Seriously?? Once again, you lose any cred when you target only Palin because you feel threatened by her to knock off your King Barry. If you really had a problem with folks who are "off centered" and make a lot of mistakes, you'd be railing on Joe Biden every day!! Why not beter? is it because you don't really care about how crazy or stupid the person seems, only that they are pushing liberal socialist based agendas that you desire for this country?
At least come at it from that honest angle.
quote:Originally posted by O No!:
Face it, you may not like Obama, but he is smarter and better educated than either of the other two.
THAT is an assumption based on the information you are allowed to see. You really don't KNOW it, you simply FEEL it to be true. Try some objectivity for a change.
Mark, what is UNobjective about believing that a man who graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School is more intelligent and better educated than someone who managed to finally get a batchelor's degree from some unknown colleges and jr. colleges? Or even someone who managed to get by with a C average?
And on top of that, all you have to do is listen to the three of them speak to know this.
I think YOU'RE the one not being objective. You don't like Obama's politics, so you refuse to acknowledge that the man is smart. Granted, intelligence and education don't NECESSARILY make for a good leader, but then again, neither do LACK of intelligence and education.
And on top of that, all you have to do is listen to the three of them speak to know this.
I think YOU'RE the one not being objective. You don't like Obama's politics, so you refuse to acknowledge that the man is smart. Granted, intelligence and education don't NECESSARILY make for a good leader, but then again, neither do LACK of intelligence and education.
quote:Originally posted by O No!:
Mark, what is UNobjective about believing that a man who graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School is more intelligent and better educated than someone who managed to finally get a batchelor's degree from some unknown colleges and jr. colleges? Or even someone who managed to get by with a C average?
And on top of that, all you have to do is listen to the three of them speak to know this.
I think YOU'RE the one not being objective. You don't like Obama's politics, so you refuse to acknowledge that the man is smart. Granted, intelligence and education don't NECESSARILY make for a good leader, but then again, neither do LACK of intelligence and education.
You mean there are records that actually show him graduating Magna cum Laude? From Harvard? Yet no transcripts or student writings? Sure... Obama can deliver a speech from a teleprompter with the best of them, he is a very polished speaker. That however is no real proof of anything except that he's a polished speaker. You're correct, I don't like his politics not one ****ed bit, but I will go so far to say he is very clever and possibly 'smart'. Which is not to be confused with being intelligent.
At least we know how you feel about it.
http://www.eduinreview.com/blo...and-college-records/
Surely you aren't one of those conspiracy theorists? Do you think he isn't a citizen of the US too?!
Surely you aren't one of those conspiracy theorists? Do you think he isn't a citizen of the US too?!
quote:Originally posted by O No!:
http://www.eduinreview.com/blo...and-college-records/
Surely you aren't one of those conspiracy theorists? Do you think he isn't a citizen of the US too?!
Woohoo! So Barry does have Harvard papers. Still not impressed.
The instant he was elected, it became a moot point. If they discovered tomorrow that he is not a U.S. citizen, it would not matter, and frankly I do not care. There is plenty to dislike about the man, his philosophy, and his politics without resorting to wild eyed harangues over that which is, at this point, neither provable nor disprovable. Further, I do not care, the birth certificate nonsense is simply a misdirection.
quote:Originally posted by O No!:
Bush only earned C's at both Yale, and at Harvard Business school.
Whether Obama was benefitted by affirmative action doesn't really matter because he did indeed, rise to the challenge.
Bush benefitted from his daddy's money, and he barely squeaked through.
And we've already been through this with Palin. How many colleges and junior colleges? No honors. (No brains, and no class either.)
Bush's grades and SAT score was better than Kerry's and a little worse than Gore's. Therefore, is the ranking -- Kerry-dumbest, Bush- dumber and Gore, just dumb?
As for Palin, anyone who followed the story knows she transferred to schools where she could get grants and such. Her family wasn't wealth, as the other three were. In many ways she is a lower middle class success story. One who is conservative. Which is why the left hates her so much. She doesn't fit their mold.
As for Obama, once more, we have no indication of his grades and SAT. He did graduate, but as for magnum cum laude, that is what he said, or his campaign said. We have no proof, beyond that!
quote:Originally posted by marksw59:quote:Originally posted by O No!:
http://www.eduinreview.com/blo...and-college-records/
Surely you aren't one of those conspiracy theorists? Do you think he isn't a citizen of the US too?!
Woohoo! So Barry does have Harvard papers. Still not impressed.
The instant he was elected, it became a moot point. If they discovered tomorrow that he is not a U.S. citizen, it would not matter, and frankly I do not care. There is plenty to dislike about the man, his philosophy, and his politics without resorting to wild eyed harangues over that which is, at this point, neither provable nor disprovable. Further, I do not care, the birth certificate nonsense is simply a misdirection.
While I believe he is s citizen, if it were proven he was not, it would matter. His every act would be unconstitutional, including every law he signed.
quote:Originally posted by elinterventor01:quote:Originally posted by marksw59:quote:Originally posted by O No!:
http://www.eduinreview.com/blo...and-college-records/
Surely you aren't one of those conspiracy theorists? Do you think he isn't a citizen of the US too?!
Woohoo! So Barry does have Harvard papers. Still not impressed.
The instant he was elected, it became a moot point. If they discovered tomorrow that he is not a U.S. citizen, it would not matter, and frankly I do not care. There is plenty to dislike about the man, his philosophy, and his politics without resorting to wild eyed harangues over that which is, at this point, neither provable nor disprovable. Further, I do not care, the birth certificate nonsense is simply a misdirection.
While I believe he is s citizen, if it were proven he was not, it would matter. His every act would be unconstitutional, including every law he signed.
He's one Supreme Court Justice away from that being moot as well. Anyway, the Obamatons would never let it be discovered if their messiah happened to be ineligible.