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Originally posted by Rowdymale:
I didn't know Peter Rielly was such an expert in recruiting. I think Rivals and Scout should just forget rating High School kids, as they have been doing for years and years, and just ask Old Peter who is the best. He seems to know everything about the subject. I also didn't know speed was all you had to measure when recruiting.


I would love to have the funding to get to do nothing but watch high school football as my career... That would be awesome. As for speed being "all you had to measure when recruiting"... I didn't say that. What I said was, if a kid has good size and speed then I don't care how many stars are by his name. However, if you don't think speed is the most important asset for football teams, ask Jim Tressell of Ohio State....after those whippins his teams took at the hands of SEC speed, i think he'd tell you different.
COACHING COACHING COACHING!!!!! I said it already, great player/coach relationships make average players good, good players great, and great players exceptional. If a kid has athletic ability and is highly coachable, STARS DON'T MATTER!!!! I'm not bashing bammies crootin class, I'm bashing the mindset of stars tell the story. I'll post this again....I'm addin some bammie standouts so ya'll see that I'm being objective.

Ben Grubbs, 2* TE--Starting G in NFL/1st round
Ronnie Brown, 3*--Starting RB in NFL/2 pick overall
Karlos Dansby, 2* WR--Starting LB in NFL/1st rnd
Dontarius Thomas, NR--rotation @ LB in NFL/mid rund
Sen'Derrick Marks, 2*--will be a 1st or 2nd round pick in this years NFL draft


Rashad Johnson, 1 or 2*walk on... All-SEC safety
Glen Coffee, 3*... All-SEC RB, will most likely make NFL roster after junior year
Javier Arenas, 3* athlete... record breaking punt returner and starting CB.
Terrance Cody, 3*... widely(no pun intended) considered the most important player in solid defense for the Tide in 08.

Those are easily 4 of the most important players from Bama's run to the top to the SEC West in '08.... Not impressive by Rivals standards, but where would ya'll have been without those 4 this year? I'm right on this, and the only reason bammers won't agree outright is because I'm an Auburn fan. But I know ya'll do... I have faith in your level of common sense and basic intelligence. Wink
Mr. Rielly, I have a couple of questions for you. You started this forum "Recruiting nonsense" to express your opinion on how ridiculous people act over recruiting right? If it is so rediculous, then why do you even pay attention to it? If you are one of those sports fans that takes everything to the extreme to the point that if someone says it and their wrong, then they are stupid and dont konw what they are talking about? Recruiting, if nothing more, gives college football fans something to talk about during the offseason. Isn't that what alot of sports is about. If we didn't have discussions and give opinions, then it would basically consist of us sitting here just watching the games and not ever talking about them. How else do you expect folks to talk about recruiting without rivals and scouts giving rating systems and their opinions? I agree, a lot of times they are wrong, but how are we going to have ANY idea about a player that is 4 states away that we have never seen before? This has nothing to do with who I or you pull for, because you'd probably be suprised, but please start making sense or just quit fussing and whining about stuff that you have an option to not even listen to if you dont like it.
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Originally posted by LogicallySpeaking:
Mr. Rielly, I have a couple of questions for you. You started this forum "Recruiting nonsense" to express your opinion on how ridiculous people act over recruiting right? If it is so rediculous, then why do you even pay attention to it? If you are one of those sports fans that takes everything to the extreme to the point that if someone says it and their wrong, then they are stupid and dont konw what they are talking about? Recruiting, if nothing more, gives college football fans something to talk about during the offseason. Isn't that what alot of sports is about. If we didn't have discussions and give opinions, then it would basically consist of us sitting here just watching the games and not ever talking about them. How else do you expect folks to talk about recruiting without rivals and scouts giving rating systems and their opinions? I agree, a lot of times they are wrong, but how are we going to have ANY idea about a player that is 4 states away that we have never seen before? This has nothing to do with who I or you pull for, because you'd probably be suprised, but please start making sense or just quit fussing and whining about stuff that you have an option to not even listen to if you dont like it.


First off, I am making sense. Nothing I have said lacks easy understandability. Second, I'm not whining, quite the opposite, I love Auburn's recruiting class. Third, I AGREE 100% WITH YOU!!!! I love recruiting season!!! It's the bridge between the season and spring practice. College football is far and away my favorite sport so the longer it last the longer I have that extra hobby on the side. I like Rivals and Scouts because of the reason you mentioned. Being able to see the future of Auburn football through these services is awesome. And I stated clearly that I'm not bashin Bama's crootin class.... I'm bashing the idiotic mindset that high ranking by Rivals means anything more than it is, their guess. My point was simple, and stated clearly, but the bammers on this sight just can't resist the chance to beat their chest over how many imaginary stars are in front of an 18 year old kids name. But in the end, what's happenin? We've made it to 3 pages on this topic and the season doesnt start for anther 8 months.... so in the end your point is taken and proven... We're talkin about it!!! LOL Wink
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Originally posted by Small talker:
payback? ha! i'll trade you 6 for 1 any day partner! or was it 7? Hell I lost countWink


Then the next five years of Bama wins are gonna be rough on ya.

Through the last several seasons of probation, six win seasons, and Iron Bowl losses, I listened too crap from all the aforementioned fans. I took my medicine like a man. Your right, it all goes in cycles...now it's your turn.
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
I never said I knew it all, or more than everybody.... just seemingly more than any bammer currently posting on this blog.
First off, to midknight again, this crap that you keep saying that implies that Bama has 20 5* recruits coming and Auburn has to scrape the bottom of the barral for remaining 2* players is idiotic even if I were as hung up on star ratings as you are. As for "hoping for 6-6"... Auburn was as bad as an SEC team can possibly be offensively last year and was just a few points from 10-2 even if they play the same against West Virginia and Alabama which were the only 2 lopsided losses. If the offense makes it to average and Chizik keeps the D rollin the the SEC west is well in reach taking that into consideration, dontcha think? Especially considering we lost very few players from the offense. Ya'll's offensive strengths graduated or went pro....and the D got exposed when that O wasnt clickin. Things have a way of balancing out....it's never as good or as bad as it seems from year to year for any team.
and by the by..... check Notre Dame's recruiting rankings over the last several years then check their season records over that span.... if Bama had nearly a decade of top 5 recruting classes but saban could just pull off 7 wins after that run, would ya'll be happy with that?? Same goes for Miami....almost always in the top 5 but they have to fight scratch and claw to make it to 7 or 8 wins lately... If rivals handed out NC, then Notre Dame and Miami would be 2 of the most dominate teams of the decade instead of 2 of the most disappointing.


Peter, nowhere did I imply that Bama was getting "twenty 5* players" while Auburn was "scraping the bottom of the barrel". You seem to be obsessed with stars, so let's just forget about stars. The fact is, and I'm not going to imply it, I'm going to say it...You can ask anyone who does this for a living, Scout, Rivals, ESPN, CBS Sports, or the myriad of unbiased knowledgeable college football fans and they will all tell you...Bama's recruiting class is ranked higher than Auburn's...deal with it. Whether that translates too Iron Bowl wins remains to be seen...but it's a good start.

High school football players are not all equal. Whether they are ranked with ABC's, numbers, or stars, the coach knows who his best ballplayers are. If the ballplayers are ranked, it follows that the college that gets more of the "best ballplayers" will have a higher ranked class. Does this mean they'll be successful? Of course not. But better ballplayers combined with great coaching means a better chance for success. Bama has both, Auburn has neither.

While I certainly agree that coaching makes a difference, I don't understand the thinking down at Auburn. They fired one of the best coaches they ever had, and hired a loser. Cheesewiz, even with all his great coaching skills, could only get his low ranked players at Iowa State too five wins. But somehow he's gonna take Auburn's lower rated players and make 'em "awesome".

Only delusional Auburn fans think that is all part of the plan. Most just think "that's the way it is" and live with it. But, hope springs eternal, maybe there will be a miracle on the plains. The only problem is, even if Cheesewiz does perform a miracle, they will pass Troy and be the second best team in the state. Big Grin
aight midknight... that's it for me. You are obviously a koolaid drinking crimson neck flamin bammer with zero objectivity....To compare Auburn in the SEC(one of the winningest SEC teams) to Iowa St in the Big 12(one of the losingest Big 12 teams) ends this discussion. That is just pathetic. You once again show zero usable knowledge to have any sensable debate... So good luck to ya.
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
I never said I knew it all, or more than everybody.... just seemingly more than any bammer currently posting on this blog.
First off, to midknight again, this crap that you keep saying that implies that Bama has 20 5* recruits coming and Auburn has to scrape the bottom of the barral for remaining 2* players is idiotic even if I were as hung up on star ratings as you are. As for "hoping for 6-6"... Auburn was as bad as an SEC team can possibly be offensively last year and was just a few points from 10-2 even if they play the same against West Virginia and Alabama which were the only 2 lopsided losses. If the offense makes it to average and Chizik keeps the D rollin the the SEC west is well in reach taking that into consideration, dontcha think? Especially considering we lost very few players from the offense. Ya'll's offensive strengths graduated or went pro....and the D got exposed when that O wasnt clickin. Things have a way of balancing out....it's never as good or as bad as it seems from year to year for any team.
and by the by..... check Notre Dame's recruiting rankings over the last several years then check their season records over that span.... if Bama had nearly a decade of top 5 recruting classes but saban could just pull off 7 wins after that run, would ya'll be happy with that?? Same goes for Miami....almost always in the top 5 but they have to fight scratch and claw to make it to 7 or 8 wins lately... If rivals handed out NC, then Notre Dame and Miami would be 2 of the most dominate teams of the decade instead of 2 of the most disappointing.
Your opening sentence in this post just proves your are an arrogant SOB. I cannot say I have ever met a more ignorant aubbie other than, i wont mention his name, but he owned Western Auto in MSC. There is a difference in being proud of where you went to school and the hash you sling. The thread was about recruits..... it is a measuring tool the media has used since before you were born. Get over it and get over yourself. The latter wont happen, I'm sure of that.
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Originally posted by OriginalBama:
Your opening sentence in this post just proves your are an arrogant SOB. I cannot say I have ever met a more ignorant aubbie other than, i wont mention his name, but he owned Western Auto in MSC. There is a difference in being proud of where you went to school and the hash you sling. The thread was about recruits..... it is a measuring tool the media has used since before you were born. Get over it and get over yourself. The latter wont happen, I'm sure of that.[/QUOTE]

Actually the star rating system isn't all that old my friend. And bottom line is, I'm the only one comin with facts on this blog. Bammers just wanna flame... There is nothing but biased bammie fan opinion coming from them, I'm using facts about Auburn AND Alabama AND other schools I have mentioned. All bammers wanna do is bash Auburn. So, all this taken into consideration, am I really full of myself or just realizing the obvious fact that I'm the only one bringing any meat to the converstation?
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
Yep, I think anybody that reads this thread can determine which one of us has football knowledge and which one's an Auburn fan. Most already know...the two don't mix. Big Grin

You Auburn fans shouldn't get your panties in such a wad after just one bad season....there's many more too come. Wink


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You have shown ZERO football knowledge, simply bashing Auburn which is what any bammer with a 2nd grade education can do. Once again, I've stated facts about many schools without bashing any... I've been objective in my posts, you have not.

And thanks for the uplifting advice about the bad season..... Ya'll got a lot more experience in that over the last decade than us aubies do... Wink
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
Yep, I think anybody that reads this thread can determine which one of us has football knowledge and which one's an Auburn fan. Most already know...the two don't mix. Big Grin

You Auburn fans shouldn't get your panties in such a wad after just one bad season....there's many more too come. Wink


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You have shown ZERO football knowledge, simply bashing Auburn which is what any bammer with a 2nd grade education can do. Once again, I've stated facts about many schools without bashing any... I've been objective in my posts, you have not.

And thanks for the uplifting advice about the bad season..... Ya'll got a lot more experience in that over the last decade than us aubies do... Wink


I can't tell if you don't understand, or if your just in denial and don't want to understand. In case it's the former, I'll try to explain it so even you can understand. This is my last attempt so read this slowly, maybe that will help.

For every two and three star player that goes on to become a star in college or the NFL, there are dozens of four and five star players that do the same. While a good coach will occasionally find a "diamond in the rough", if he starts basing his team on two and three star players, he's going to lose more than he wins, especially in the SEC. Some high school football players are ranked higher than others for a reason. If you disagree with them, feel free to rank players any way you want in your own mind, but I doubt many coaches will follow your advice. It's not brain surgery. In ranking players and recruiting five is better than two. A team is has a better chance of success with five star players than with two star players, and most knowledgeable fans realize that.

Notice I never called you an Aubbie, because judging by your posts in this thread, you give Auburn fans a bad name.

Oh, you're welcome for the advice...and watch your blood pressure too. Big Grin
My blood pressure is emmaculate.... doc told me with my blood pressure and heart rate that I shoulda been a long distance runner...

And I disagree with you that for every two or three star there are dozens of 4 and 5s in the league.... As a matter of fact, I'd bet that 3* players are probably more prevelant than anything because for every 3* that hits big and becomes a great college player there's a 5* that didn't qualify for school, or got kicked off the team due to off the field issues like arrests or grades, or was such a premadona that he didn't work hard and never saw the field, or he worked hard and simply gets beat out by one of those 3* guys I'm talkin about. The thing is, ALL these kids are "diamonds in the rough", because until they prove it on the field, those stars mean nothing.... Look man, like I said, I ain't bashin Bama's recruitin class, and I ain't tryin to pick a fight...and you can look back over this thread and see that I havent once said a bad thing about Alabama's team...but you can't say the same. You lost objectivity and just tried to bash Auburn... that just hurts your cred. And I can honestly say I've looked at that list I wouldnt mind Auburn havin a few of those guys. But thats still just a guess.... Auburn will field just as many All-SEC guys from this class as Bama most likely. Recruitin classes are not measured before these kids ever play a game, they're measured in how many wins they accumulate over their 3-5 years on the team.

And answer one hypothetical question for me honestly...
Say there is a kid that's 5'11", 185lbs that runs a 4.4 forty yard dash and has a vertical of 39"
In this kid's junior season he rushed 167 times for 1,604 yards, a 9.6 avg with 18 TD's, caught 11 passes for 173 yards, 15.7 avg and 4 TDs and averaged 39.3 yards per punt return.
In this kids senior season he rushed for 1,162 yards and 18 touchdowns on only 58 carries, a 20-yard per carry average. He caught 17 passes for 543 yards (31.9 yards per catch) with 9 TD. He averaged 40.7 yards per kick off return and 40.6 yards per punt return and added 6 more TD's through special teams.

Now the question is.... Would you want that hypothetical player on your team?
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
My blood pressure is emmaculate.... doc told me with my blood pressure and heart rate that I shoulda been a long distance runner...

And I disagree with you that for every two or three star there are dozens of 4 and 5s in the league.... As a matter of fact, I'd bet that 3* players are probably more prevelant than anything because for every 3* that hits big and becomes a great college player there's a 5* that didn't qualify for school, or got kicked off the team due to off the field issues like arrests or grades, or was such a premadona that he didn't work hard and never saw the field, or he worked hard and simply gets beat out by one of those 3* guys I'm talkin about. The thing is, ALL these kids are "diamonds in the rough", because until they prove it on the field, those stars mean nothing.... Look man, like I said, I ain't bashin Bama's recruitin class, and I ain't tryin to pick a fight...and you can look back over this thread and see that I havent once said a bad thing about Alabama's team...but you can't say the same. You lost objectivity and just tried to bash Auburn... that just hurts your cred. And I can honestly say I've looked at that list I wouldnt mind Auburn havin a few of those guys. But thats still just a guess.... Auburn will field just as many All-SEC guys from this class as Bama most likely. Recruitin classes are not measured before these kids ever play a game, they're measured in how many wins they accumulate over their 3-5 years on the team.

And answer one hypothetical question for me honestly...
Say there is a kid that's 5'11", 185lbs that runs a 4.4 forty yard dash and has a vertical of 39"
In this kid's junior season he rushed 167 times for 1,604 yards, a 9.6 avg with 18 TD's, caught 11 passes for 173 yards, 15.7 avg and 4 TDs and averaged 39.3 yards per punt return.
In this kids senior season he rushed for 1,162 yards and 18 touchdowns on only 58 carries, a 20-yard per carry average. He caught 17 passes for 543 yards (31.9 yards per catch) with 9 TD. He averaged 40.7 yards per kick off return and 40.6 yards per punt return and added 6 more TD's through special teams.

Now the question is.... Would you want that hypothetical player on your team?


Glad to hear that about your BP, though maybe you should check it while you're in front of the computer. Judging by your posts, those veins throbbing in your forehead are probably not a good sign.

OK, you got me. I don't know the exact ratio, I used "a dozen" to stress my point. Suffice it to say, that of the 1500+ players in the NFL, I'd wager that there are more four and five star players than two and three star players. But, I could be wrong. If you feel the need to go through current rosters and recruiting archives have at it. Post your results, I'll take your word for it.

Re-read my posts, they're just typical Alabama-Auburn "trash talkin". When Bama has a good year and wins the Iron Bowl, I boast about it. When they have a bad year and lose the Iron Bowl, I hear it. I've been doing one or the other for 50 years and don't intend to stop now. It's called "braggin rights".
But, since Auburn had such a bad year and was humiliated in the Iron Bowl, you obviously had nothing to brag about...so you bashed me and everyone else that disagreed with you. Let's see... I'm a kool-aid drinking, red neck bammer that posts lie's and has no objectivity or football knowledge...sounds like bashin too me.

To answer your "hypothetical" question...yes, a player with those kind of stats would be a welcome addition too any team, unless I had a shot at someone better.
Now answer mine. If a college coach had only one scholarship left and had to choose between your "hypothetical" player and another "hypothetical" player who, if all other things were equal, was bigger, stronger, faster and had better stats, whom do you think he would choose?
Oh, I bashed you, yeah.... I'm talking about the teams... I havent once bashed the bama team, recruiting class, or coaching staff(though I could due to some shady recruiting practices). And I promise, I don't get worked up, I'm just thorough in what I type to make sure my objective and factual point gets across well.

As for your answer, you just accepted a 3* guy onto your teams... (GASP)... Blasphamy right???? LOL. As for your question...."bigger, stronger, faster, and better stats..." Yeah, I'd brobably pick that guy.... but you haven't disproven my point because once again, that has nothing to do with the star ratings system. If that bigger stronger faster guy was 2* or 5* I'd take him.... Like I said, I think you agree with my piont that it's the player not the imaginary stars next to his name.
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
By the way, that kid I mentioned was not hypothectical, his last name is Gulley out of Brantley High I think it is.... he's a 3 star running back that just signed with Auburn. In case you wanna check me for accuracy, those stats are listed on Rivals.com.



There's a reason someone with those kind of stats is a 3* and only got scholarship offers from Troy and Auburn...the competition. Brantley is a 1A school about half way between Montgomery and Dothan, and while the story of a small town player becoming a superstar gives everybody that warm and fuzzy feeling, the odds of a player coming from a 1A school to become anything more then a serviceable player, while not impossible, are extremely low. But the plethora of talent down on the plains may afford them the opportunity to take a chance.

I'm not dissing the kid or Auburn's recruitment of him. It's just the reality of the way things are. If you took an all-star team made up of players from schools like Vina, Red Bay, Waterloo, etc. and played against an all-star team made up of players from Russellville, Deshler, Florence etc...Which team would win the majority of the time ? Now if Auburn gets the bulk of their recruits from the smaller schools while Bama gets the bulk of their recruits from the larger schools...Which team will have the better chance of winning?

Colleges have a very limited number of scholarships, so coaches must evaluate the players. There must be some kind of pecking order, coaches can't possibly evaluate every high school player in the south. Sooner or later it'll have to come down too either this player or that player. Coaches don't rely on stars to determine who gets a scholarship, they know who the best players are. Stars are just a relative ranking of players for fans to go by. They are not given out willy-nilly, they are earned. While they certainly can't tell you what a player will do, they can be helpful in telling you what a player has done.
20yds a rush, 20 yds a catch, 40 yds ko and punt return and over 30 TD's .... I don't care what classification that's in.... that's ridiculous numbers.... I played 2A ball in this state and never saw anybody come close to those numbers. Rare is rare, and with his size and speed the sky's the limit with good coaching... and something else I love about the smaller school kids....He played safety on D too.
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Originally posted by Rowdymale:
I was away from this forum for several days and I come back to old Peter Rielly still ranting and raving about albarn's recruits....lol. I've never seen anyone trying his best to sell everyone (not happening) on the fact that albarn is really tearing up Bama in recruiting. Man give it a rest!


Ok Rowdy, just for you.... Auburn has a completely new staff...Not one guy left from last year. Saban the great is in his second full year of recruiting. Even if you want to ignore the obvious great recruiting Auburn is doing atletically. Ignore that Auburn now has 8 guys at 4.5 or better and another couple at 4.6 while Bama has none...but only stars and paysite rankings matter right??.... Now look at the stars. Auburn is ranked 15 with a great chance of signing 3 to 7 four star guys that were not even on Auburn's radar before Chizik was hired. Bama is ranked 9th. (Scouts) On Rivals bama is 5th and Auburn is 19th. While all the talk is about the big names Auburn is luring away from other schools, Bama just lost a guy that WAS their only speedster to Southern Miss. And there is talk of them losing their star recruit Richardson @ running back. Keep ignoring the writing on the wall if you want, but given the situation, I think you'd have to agree that Chizik and his staff is doing a hell of a job..... Just think about this time next year when they've had a full year on the job.... But I know you're just scared that Auburn is already back after just one down year... The optimism and fire down on the plains worries you... Bama gets down and stays down for years... Auburn gets down and pops right back up... Look out for the Tigers in '09.

WAR EAGLE
Ah midknight... I knew that the flammin mullet couldnt hiddin under the hat of civility long... LOL

You are right, The women's b-ball team is lookin good, couple that with the best swim team in the nation(world if you watched the olympics), a good baseball team, and the football team coming off it's first down year in a decade... Auburn atheletics are booming right now.... but don't worry, even after Saban jumps ship ya'll will still have gymnastics. Wink


ps. side note, Blake Burgess, son of Rick from Rick and Bubba just accepted a preferred walk-on roll at Auburn. According to R&B they were gonna be all about whatever team he signed with so this could be great PR for Auburn University.

WAR EAGLE BOOMER!!! Welcome to the Plains!!!
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Ah midknight... I knew that the flammin mullet couldnt hiddin under the hat of civility long... LOL

You are right, The women's b-ball team is lookin good, couple that with the best swim team in the nation(world if you watched the olympics), a good baseball team, and the football team coming off it's first down year in a decade... Auburn atheletics are booming right now.... but don't worry, even after Saban jumps ship ya'll will still have gymnastics. Wink


ps. side note, Blake Burgess, son of Rick from Rick and Bubba just accepted a preferred walk-on roll at Auburn. According to R&B they were gonna be all about whatever team he signed with so this could be great PR for Auburn University.

WAR EAGLE BOOMER!!! Welcome to the Plains!!!



After that crash and burn in the Iron Bowl....being flamed ought too make Auburn fans feel right at home.

Auburn fans can use women's basketball, swimming, and baseball to ease the pain of that 36-0 beatdown.

Great...they need all the PR they can get. Here's an idea...maybe Auburn fans can roll Toomers corner to celebrate their great recruiting and get Rick and Bubba to cover it live.

36-0...36-0...36-0...36-0...36-0...36-0...36-0
not to mention that the men's basketball team has laid the smackdown on bama in 'Iron Bowl' like fashion... 5 of the last 6 i think it is in basketball.... kinda like 6 of the last 7 in football....or 7 of the last 9....or ten of the last 16.... As a matter of fact, Auburn has dominated the Iron Bowl before and after the Bahr era.... No wonder ya'll cling to him like grim death... LOL

So enjoy your CNC...(Crootin National Championship), from last year.... and enjoy the 36-0 win in last year's Iron Bowl, the first for Bama in Tuscaloser... Whatever eases the pain of realizing that Bama is not a dominant program, and if not for the Bahr putting the bags of cash on players front porches back in his day.... then they never wouldve been.

WAR EAGLE!!
You've heard the old saying "too the victors go the spoils". Well, the "victors" would be Bama fans, and the "spoils" would be our right to give Aubbies hell about the 36-0 beatdown. I'm your worst nightmare, a retired, die-hard Bama fan who, after an Iron Bowl victory and unless I get banned or kick the bucket, will always have the last word...36-0. Deal with it.

This whole thread started as a feeble attempt by a die-hard Auburn fan to rationalize their poor recruiting. That combined with firing their OC mid-season, the firing of Ears and hiring of Cheesewiz, a losing season, the Willis incident, and Bama's accomplishments this season make it pretty obvious that Bama's football program is on the rise and Auburn's is on the decline. Those are the facts. Deal with it.

Some friendly advice: If you're going to try and rationalize what's happening on the plains, it'd probably be best to do it in private amongst other die-hard Auburn fans. Trying to do it in a public forum like this will only lead too you being crucified.
CRUCIFIED???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Look, I respect your right to gloat about the Iron Bowl, but other than that you've acomplished nothing of substance. I havent tried rationalize anything. Auburn is putting together a fantastic recruiting class.... and now even those stars you love so much a lining up there to... check their ranking on those sites now. As for coaching changes and a bad year last year.... You must have me confused with one of your fellow bammers.... I admitted last season was a mess, and that Chizik has to prove his worth both recruiting(which he's done a fantastic job of) then produciton on the field. I don't drink the kool-aid like you guys do... I'm optimistic because i know the talent we have on the Plains....If the offensive coaching steps up then Auburn will be right back in the thick of the SEC West race next year. If the offense struggles like last year, they won't. Is that simple enough for you to comprehend? LOL
Thanks, I think I will gloat about it. Dishing it out is a lot easier than taking it isn't it. Wink

It's all relative. When you make statements like "Auburn is putting together a fantastic recruiting class" you need to be more specific. Compared too UAB, they may be having a "fantastic" year. Compared too UA, LSU, UF, UT, UGA, and most of the other SEC schools...not so much.

Auburn sucked last year, and their prospects for this season "don't look good". That's the truth. Fans are supposed to be optimistic. Nobody knows how the coming season will play out, but Auburn fans shouldn't get so "bent out of shape" when someone points out the obvious.

Disregarding your love of Auburn and your hatred of Bama, use that vast football knowledge and that great objectivity you have to answer this question...Based on this past season both on and off the field, which team, Bama or Auburn, is more likely to be in the SEC Championship Game ? Sometimes the truth hurts doesn't it. Big Grin
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
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Originally posted by Rowdymale:
I was away from this forum for several days and I come back to old Peter Rielly still ranting and raving about albarn's recruits....lol. I've never seen anyone trying his best to sell everyone (not happening) on the fact that albarn is really tearing up Bama in recruiting. Man give it a rest!


Ok Rowdy, just for you.... Auburn has a completely new staff...Not one guy left from last year. Saban the great is in his second full year of recruiting. Even if you want to ignore the obvious great recruiting Auburn is doing atletically. Ignore that Auburn now has 8 guys at 4.5 or better and another couple at 4.6 while Bama has none...but only stars and paysite rankings matter right??.... Now look at the stars. Auburn is ranked 15 with a great chance of signing 3 to 7 four star guys that were not even on Auburn's radar before Chizik was hired. Bama is ranked 9th. (Scouts) On Rivals bama is 5th and Auburn is 19th. While all the talk is about the big names Auburn is luring away from other schools, Bama just lost a guy that WAS their only speedster to Southern Miss. And there is talk of them losing their star recruit Richardson @ running back. Keep ignoring the writing on the wall if you want, but given the situation, I think you'd have to agree that Chizik and his staff is doing a hell of a job..... Just think about this time next year when they've had a full year on the job.... But I know you're just scared that Auburn is already back after just one down year... The optimism and fire down on the plains worries you... Bama gets down and stays down for years... Auburn gets down and pops right back up... Look out for the Tigers in '09.

WAR EAGLE


Geeeeez you are really in need of help with those delusions dude. Like you said Bama is 5th and albarn is 19th.....end of story!
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Originally posted by Small talker:
Auburn will be just fine, don't forget that y'all are 2-8 the last decade against Auburn. You may have won this year but next year you will be playing a totally different team. I wouldn't be counting your next iron bowl wins just yet. Who's gonna be Bamas QB? Just curious, I'm not saying they will be in trouble but they do need to find someone. Remember Utah didn't care how many 5* players you had. Bama simply got outcoached and outplayed by a bunch of 2* and you know it. VT isn't gonna care how many 5*'s you have either so get ready!
'bama will beat vt like a baby harp seal.
Here are a few Iron Bowl facts:

Alabama leads the series 39-33-1, the tie coming in 1907 with a score of 6-6.

Alabama has outscored Auburn 1389-1150 all-time, in this series.

Alabama has the record for the greatest margin of victory, in a game, in this series (55-0 1948)

Since the 50's the wins for each decade break down like this:
1950's they split 5-5, Bama owned the 60's 8-2, Bama owned the 70's 8-2, the 80's belonged to Auburn 6-4, the 90's once again went to the Tide 7-3 and since 2000 Auburn has a commanding 6-2 advantage.

The record is pretty close, but overall you can see who is the more dominate team over the last 60 years.

ROLL TIDE!!!
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
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Originally posted by Rowdymale:
I was away from this forum for several days and I come back to old Peter Rielly still ranting and raving about albarn's recruits....lol. I've never seen anyone trying his best to sell everyone (not happening) on the fact that albarn is really tearing up Bama in recruiting. Man give it a rest!


Ok Rowdy, just for you.... Auburn has a completely new staff...Not one guy left from last year. Saban the great is in his second full year of recruiting. Even if you want to ignore the obvious great recruiting Auburn is doing atletically. Ignore that Auburn now has 8 guys at 4.5 or better and another couple at 4.6 while Bama has none...but only stars and paysite rankings matter right??.... Now look at the stars. Auburn is ranked 15 with a great chance of signing 3 to 7 four star guys that were not even on Auburn's radar before Chizik was hired. Bama is ranked 9th. (Scouts) On Rivals bama is 5th and Auburn is 19th. While all the talk is about the big names Auburn is luring away from other schools, Bama just lost a guy that WAS their only speedster to Southern Miss. And there is talk of them losing their star recruit Richardson @ running back. Keep ignoring the writing on the wall if you want, but given the situation, I think you'd have to agree that Chizik and his staff is doing a hell of a job..... Just think about this time next year when they've had a full year on the job.... But I know you're just scared that Auburn is already back after just one down year... The optimism and fire down on the plains worries you... Bama gets down and stays down for years... Auburn gets down and pops right back up... Look out for the Tigers in '09.

WAR EAGLE


Hey Peter....what were you saying about albarn and recruiting vs. Bama???? Check it out!

Link
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
Thanks, I think I will gloat about it. Dishing it out is a lot easier than taking it isn't it. Wink

It's all relative. When you make statements like "Auburn is putting together a fantastic recruiting class" you need to be more specific. Compared too UAB, they may be having a "fantastic" year. Compared too UA, LSU, UF, UT, UGA, and most of the other SEC schools...not so much.

Auburn sucked last year, and their prospects for this season "don't look good". That's the truth. Fans are supposed to be optimistic. Nobody knows how the coming season will play out, but Auburn fans shouldn't get so "bent out of shape" when someone points out the obvious.

Disregarding your love of Auburn and your hatred of Bama, use that vast football knowledge and that great objectivity you have to answer this question...Based on this past season both on and off the field, which team, Bama or Auburn, is more likely to be in the SEC Championship Game ? Sometimes the truth hurts doesn't it. Big Grin


once again... look at your beloved rivals and scout.... 18 and 15..... do you see UAB anywhere near that?? didnt think so, so to save yourself from looking anymore idiotic you can drop that junk. 10 of the 12 SEC teams were in the top 25... With a new coaching staff and only 6 weeks of recruiting Auburn was in the middle of the pack on the pay sites...and if you know football, potentially the fastest class in the country....rate this class in 3 years...with good coaching this will be an great class.

As for the SEC Championship next year.... If Auburn see's a great improvement on offense then I'd pick Auburn all the way. Bama lost one of their best 3 D players... Offensively they lost 3 yr starting QB, leading rusher, 3/5ths of the offensive line(including an unreplaceable asset in Andre Smith), and to top off the o-line losses add both of thier TEs who were key not only in run-blocking but also on playaction passing game..... Bama has a ton of holes with the loss of Shula's players that won the 12 games last year... lot's of questionmarks on bama's team next year in players, lots for Auburn in coach/player connection. Gonna be a fun ride...
Hey Rowdy... name one time I said I was comparing AU class and UAT class as stated by the pay-sites.... That's ya'll's deal. I only pointed out that the junk bammers were sellin that Auburn wouldnt pull a top 30 class was idiotic. Alabama seems to have signed some good players, as has Auburn.... that's from my assessment, not rivals. Rivals is notorious for loving bama anyway since they were started by a bammie grad. In the past guys have gained a star when signing with bama...if bama is known to be a front runner for a kid then he will almost certainly be a 4 or 5 star.

the opposite is done for Auburn....as a matter of fact, Deanjalo Benton, the 6'3", 4.4-40 WR that signed with Aubrn yesteday was a huge suprise to everyone in the country. He has be listed a 6.1 5* recruit all year while being an LSU commmit... Within an hour of his suprise signing with Auburn yesterday Rivals magically decided he was now a 5.8 4*..... That's trash and anyone with a brain would agree. Rivals/Bama = CNN/OBama.... Rivals is a moneygrubbing rag that doesnt deserve my money nor my respect in any assessment of any player.

I only go by facts on any of those sights and the only facts are size/speed/strth/location/and HS stats. The stars are not facts, only opinions from so called scouts, most of which have probably never touched a real football, much less played the game.
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
once again... look at your beloved rivals and scout.... 18 and 15..... do you see UAB anywhere near that?? didnt think so, so to save yourself from looking anymore idiotic you can drop that junk. 10 of the 12 SEC teams were in the top 25... With a new coaching staff and only 6 weeks of recruiting Auburn was in the middle of the pack on the pay sites...and if you know football, potentially the fastest class in the country....rate this class in 3 years...with good coaching this will be an great class.

As for the SEC Championship next year.... If Auburn see's a great improvement on offense then I'd pick Auburn all the way. Bama lost one of their best 3 D players... Offensively they lost 3 yr starting QB, leading rusher, 3/5ths of the offensive line(including an unreplaceable asset in Andre Smith), and to top off the o-line losses add both of thier TEs who were key not only in run-blocking but also on playaction passing game..... Bama has a ton of holes with the loss of Shula's players that won the 12 games last year... lot's of questionmarks on bama's team next year in players, lots for Auburn in coach/player connection. Gonna be a fun ride...


Thanks for proving my point. So compared too UAB, I guess their class was "awesome". Compared too the six or seven SEC teams that finished better than they did...probably not. But hey, maybe they could join Conference USA and be "awesome". Let's see, a new coaching staff with only six weeks of recruiting...sounds like an excuse too me. The main difference between that and NCAA probation...Auburn's problems were self-inflicted.

I expected nothing less from an Auburn homer. It's obvious you don't like Rivals, but irregardless of that, the consensus from recruiting experts all over the country is, Auburn finished no better than middle of the pack in the SEC for the second year in a row. You're correct, both teams have holes to fill, but the point I've been making and you refuse to see is, it's better to fill those holes from a #1 recruiting class than middle of the pack.

Since you'd rather play the if game, here's something else for you to ponder...If Auburn has another 5-7 season and is humiliated again in the Iron Bowl, will they fire Cheesewiz ?

Oh, and when Auburn fans get through patting Cheesewiz on the back for getting Benton, they should probably call Les Miles at LSU and thank him for pulling Benton's offer Tuesday night. Wink
good lord you're dense... I just pointed out to you that comparing Auburn's class to UAB's made you look like an idiot...and what did you do?? LOL... Oh well, proves my point without me having to come right out and say it.

And I'll try one more time to be civil even though you can't get it through your mullet covered head that I'm tryin that... I have not, am not now, nor will I bash an Alabama player or recruit. I clearly stated I thought Bama signed some good players, as did Auburn. You are a flaming bammer who knows nothing but the arrogance of a typical Bammer who thinks you have a birthright to be champs simply because you are bama. So, continue to bash the twenty something 18 year olds that Auburn signed if it makes you feel manly, or makes you feel like the more you talk'em down the better chance the won't kick Alabama's butt on the field at anytime in the next 4 years. But I'll remember all this over the next few years....We'll see how these guys do on the field.

WAR EAGLE!!
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
good lord you're dense... I just pointed out to you that comparing Auburn's class to UAB's made you look like an idiot...and what did you do?? LOL... Oh well, proves my point without me having to come right out and say it.

And I'll try one more time to be civil even though you can't get it through your mullet covered head that I'm tryin that... I have not, am not now, nor will I bash an Alabama player or recruit. I clearly stated I thought Bama signed some good players, as did Auburn. You are a flaming bammer who knows nothing but the arrogance of a typical Bammer who thinks you have a birthright to be champs simply because you are bama. So, continue to bash the twenty something 18 year olds that Auburn signed if it makes you feel manly, or makes you feel like the more you talk'em down the better chance the won't kick Alabama's butt on the field at anytime in the next 4 years. But I'll remember all this over the next few years....We'll see how these guys do on the field.

WAR EAGLE!!


I was using UAB as a baseline trying to justify your description of Auburn's recruiting class as "awesome". ESPN (though I'm sure they're biased against Auburn) ranked the Tigers class #25 in the nation, and tenth in the SEC. So, if Auburn's class is "awesome" (your word), the classes of Bama and the other eight teams from the conference ahead of Auburn must be "awesomer" (not a word, but maybe something you can understand). Let's see...you can't seem to grasp the concept that good recruiting correlates to good teams. And I'm dense ? Eeker

I'll leave all the bashing and name-calling too you....you seem to be good at it. Give one example where I criticized any player. Auburn was beaten on the field last year and have been out recruited the last two years. Those are facts no "ifs", "ands" or "buts" can change. Before you post this Auburn BS, you should man-up and face it, otherwise you just sound like a delusional Auburn fan who "hopes" things will get better.
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Oh, and BTW, if you'd like for me to make a list of all the 2 and 3 star guys that started for Auburn during the 6 game streak I'll be happy to. We had a lot of guys that weren't good enough for Bama that never once tasted defeat against them.


Go for it...I'll wait with baited breath for that list.
I said Auburn's recruiting class was awesome without looking at the rankings, they just turned out to be a lot better than folks expected... I also believe I mentioned that bama had a good class, but because I'm not a bama fan I havent studied it as in depth. I'm the one saying that the star system and rankings are overblown. Good classes are measured in 2, 3, and 4 years down the road.
and yes, Auburn got beat by bama last year... also by west virginia, vandy, lsu, georgia...etc... We lost 7 games last year. Auburn lead every game but 2 @halftime last year, and a few into the 4th based on pure athletisism alon. Auburn was 2 plays from being tied at 10 w bama early in the third quarter...then two unforced turnovers in their own territory signed their fate as they've done many times last season.

Now, overall last season....I don't know how much Auburn football you watched, but do you really think it was about the players or about the coaching last year? Last season was disorganization on the part of the coaching assistants...as for the players it was a between the ears issue due to those coaching problems... NOT an athletisim problem.

As for ESPN's ranking...no, not biased against Auburn, biased against JUCO and prep school guys. ESPN doesnt weigh JUCO and prep school guys the same as Rivals and Scout. Eltoro Freeman, Deanjalo Benton, and Onterio McCaleeb were 3 big names on Rivals and Scout....But because of JUCO and prep school status, ESPN didn't weigh them as heavily. No biggie though, all three will be huge contributors next season(if Benton qualifies), and are potential All-SEC guys in the very near future.... Don't really care what the so called scouts think about it....Thought maybe I've gotten my point bout that across by now.

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