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Here ya go Midknight.....

Brad Lester--3* RB 3-1 vs bama. Turned out to be a very good backup running back for final 3 years @ Auburn

Ronnie Brown--3* RB 3-1 vs bama. Was one of the best running backs in the country for final 2 and 1/2 years. 2nd overall pick in NFL draft

Courtney Taylor--3* Ath 4-0 vs bama. Record setting WR @ Auburn. drafted and plays for Seatle Seahawks

Anthony Mix-- 3*WR 3-1 vs bama. Solid WR/TE for the Tigers. Giants Free Agent pickup, traded to Redskins

Carl Stewart-- 3*RB 4-0 vs bama. Moved to FB later in college career where he excelled. Tampa Bay Bucs

Jonathan Wilhite-- 3* CB 4-0 vs bama. Very good corner for Tigers. Turned heads @ combine and was picked by New England Patriots. Started @ the end of last season.

Jerraud Powers-- 3* CB 2-1 vs bama. Very good corner. Had spectacular pick in endzone vs DJ Hall in '07 Iron Bowl. Going pro after Junior season.

Eric Brock-- 3* S 4-0 vs bama. Staple at SS for Tigers for final 3 years on the plains. Best remembered by AU fans for TD saving tackle on final play of '06 win over Jemarcaus Russell lead LSU team.

Will Herring-- 3* Ath 4-0 vs bama. Started @ FS for 3 years, then moved to LB for senior year. Drafted and is special teams ace for Seatle Seahawks.

Kevin Sears--3* 4-0 vs bama. LB Solid OLB. Started as a junior for the undefeated '04 team.

Karibi Dede-- 3* S 3-0 vs bama. Moved from safety to LB where he started as a senior.

Jason Bosely-- 2* C 3-1 vs bama. Started @ center for final 2 seasons.

Karlos Dansby-- 2* WR 3-1 vs bama. Played SS early where he was dynamic, moved to LB before junior year where he became on of the best defensive players in the country. Had an interception in this years Super Bowl and is a pro-bowler.

Ben Grubbs--2* TE 4-0 vs bama. Started at G final 2 seasons. First round pick and starting G for Baltimore Ravens.

SenDerrick Marks--2* DT 2-1 vs bama. Dominant All-SEC performer all 3 years. Going pro after jr. season.

Stanley McClover--unrated DE 2-0 vs bama. pass rush specialist that Bama fans may remember from the "Honk if you sacked Brodie" game. drafted by Panthers, now plays for Texans.

Dontarius Thomas-- unrated LB 3-1 vs bama. Great Middle LB for the Tigers. Drafted by Minnesota Vikings.

Junior Rosegreen--unrated S 3-1 vs bama. Started every year @ Auburn. played SS and CB. Has Auburn record for intercepions(4) in one game. vs. Tenn is '04(undefeated season)

WOW!!! Rivals would bury Auburn for this list, yet all these players did was take the field during one of the most impressive runs in Auburn History. Many of them starters for the only undefeated SEC team in the last decade. And all these players who wouldnt be good enough for bama....well, they dominated bama on the field. I brought the meat just for you Midknight, and I think I just proved my point pretty strongly. Rivals' star rating proves ZILTCH!!!!

WAR EAGLE!!!
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
yeah, you've heard it before because you and yours live in the 60's and 70's.... None of the guys I listed were born for more than the '92 bama team. My point is relevant to the class Auburn signed THIS year. Nothing that happened 30 and 40 yrs ago is. And you may get the last word....but it would be the incorrect word. Wink

WAR EAGLE!!


It's plain to see, you're one of those Auburn fans who thinks they can do no wrong and their players are all great because they wear orange and blue.
I'm a die-hard Bama fan who took crap for six years. Now that Bama's back on top, I don't have too.

After Auburn's loss in the Iron Bowl and their loss to Bama on the recruiting trail, as hard as it is for you to admit, the state of Alabama is crimson. You'll have to deal with it. Give us a big "ROLL TIDE" and you can have the last word. Wink
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
yeah, you've heard it before because you and yours live in the 60's and 70's.... None of the guys I listed were born for more than the '92 bama team. My point is relevant to the class Auburn signed THIS year. Nothing that happened 30 and 40 yrs ago is. And you may get the last word....but it would be the incorrect word. Wink

WAR EAGLE!!
The past is the past, whether it be 30 yrs ago, 2-4 years ago or 10 minutes ago. Get over it. I'm over the Bear,.... he died,... but traditions continue... tradition is part of college football and why colleges recruit as good as they do. Notre Dame, Michigan, USC and Bama are always at the top of the lists of tradition rich listed programs.
Bama had a top 3 recruiting year this year,... the aubbies had a top 20......... depends on what site you look at. It does all depend on what the coaching staffs do with 2,3,4,5 star recruits. But I'm thinking a 4-5 star would fair better than a 2-3 star. And things change when going from HS to college,.... a 2 star can excel. But that comes with coaching. Alot is yet to be seen with the aubbies and with the vols........ the vols may be in some deep doodoo if they play like their head coach spews his crap.
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
yeah, you've heard it before because you and yours live in the 60's and 70's.... None of the guys I listed were born for more than the '92 bama team. My point is relevant to the class Auburn signed THIS year. Nothing that happened 30 and 40 yrs ago is. And you may get the last word....but it would be the incorrect word. Wink

WAR EAGLE!!


It's plain to see, you're one of those Auburn fans who thinks they can do no wrong and their players are all great because they wear orange and blue.
I'm a die-hard Bama fan who took crap for six years. Now that Bama's back on top, I don't have too.

After Auburn's loss in the Iron Bowl and their loss to Bama on the recruiting trail, as hard as it is for you to admit, the state of Alabama is crimson. You'll have to deal with it. Give us a big "ROLL TIDE" and you can have the last word. Wink
Love ya man......... lol.........
OriginalBama.... 30 and 40 years ago is not the same as 2-4 or 10 minutes...if for no other reason than that there are players still on the team that were there 2-4 years ago. To compare those 2 time frames is absurd to say the least. Is a 30 or 40 year old man the same as a 2-4 year old boy?? Is a 30 to 40 year old car the same as a 2-4 year old car??... TV, House, dog, bicycle, radio....and on and on and on I could go.... so like I said...not a valid point by any stretch.
As for you assessment of the recruits needing coaching.... FINALLY, someone that sees things my way!!!! That's what I've been saying this entire thread that some are too dense to understand... check out that list of players I put up earlier. Rivals wouldnt've liked them, yet they were part of an Auburn team that won as many games as anybody in the country over the 5 year span of their recruitment and development. Coaching is by far and a way the biggest part of it whether it be a 5* kid or a 3* kid.
No Midknight, I'm one of those Auburn fans who just happens to be right about what you and I have been going at it about. And I think you've seen me use the word "potential" over and over again... I don't know how any of these kids that just signed with Auburn will turn out... I simply stated that based on their athletisism/speed, the sky is the limit for this class with proper coaching. No kool=aid neccessary for me, I'm a realist.
As for the state being crimson....It always has been...that's what makes it sweeter to see bama fans this excited over ONE win over Auburn... It's taken 7 years to get that ONE win and ya'll are back!!! LOL...but I've never heard that before, so maybe ya'll really are... hahaha

WAR EAGLE!!!
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
No Midknight, I'm one of those Auburn fans who just happens to be right about what you and I have been going at it about. And I think you've seen me use the word "potential" over and over again... I don't know how any of these kids that just signed with Auburn will turn out... I simply stated that based on their athletisism/speed, the sky is the limit for this class with proper coaching. No kool=aid neccessary for me, I'm a realist.
As for the state being crimson....It always has been...that's what makes it sweeter to see bama fans this excited over ONE win over Auburn... It's taken 7 years to get that ONE win and ya'll are back!!! LOL...but I've never heard that before, so maybe ya'll really are... hahaha

WAR EAGLE!!!


Yeah Pete...your a legend in your own mind. Roll Eyes

Your opinion of players and recruiting is subject to change based on how good or bad Auburn does. Last year, after Bama dominated Auburn in recruiting, you lauded Tubberville's recruiting prowess and his ability too bring in top ten classes in previous years and stockpile so much talent on the plains, as the excuse for poor recruiting. This year, after Auburn got their hats handed too them on the field, Tubberville got fired, and Bama out-recruited them again, the recruiting services are biased and ranking players and classes is irrelevant. Roll Eyes

I thought that was a pretty good compromise...you get to have the last word, and I get to chose it. Just one "Roll Tide", without all the narratives and rants. Come on Pete...you can do it...I know ya can.
Actually Midknight, you are once again, and not suprisingly, very wrong. I didnt bash Auburn recruiting or Tubbs last year...I didn't expect Auburn to do a lot in recruiting last year just for the simple fact that Auburn lost very few players after the '07 season.... but most of the players we did get redshirted, and will have a good chance to contribute this year. That will add to Neiko Thorpe who showed great cover and tackling ability and has a chance to win that award that bears his name. Wink Piere Louis is another guy that had a great chance to make a splash but was injured the first play of the season. Harry Adams a WR/DB is one of the fastest kids in the SEC and has a chance to make a splash. Another DB, Bell....Injury kept him off the field, and that was the only thing. Auburn is stacked with fantastic athletes....If they're coachable Auburn will be back much sooner than you and your bammer friends had hoped...
Once again, you are so far out of "the know" about Auburn football that you really shouldnt be posting anything about them on here, but if you insist, I'll just keep shooting ya down.
I would say not bashing and lauding are close too the same thing.

You're right...I don't "know" anything about Auburn football or their recruiting class...don't really want to. What I do know is they
lost 36-0 on the field, have been out-recruited two years running, fired Tubby and hired a coach with a losing record. It may be all part of a "master plan", but if it is, I'd think about a new plan.

For some reason, you seem to think "fantastic" athletes and good coaches are exclusive too Auburn and attrition or injury only happen in Tuscaloosa. If a team with twenty 4* loses half of them, they'll end up with ten 4* players. If a team with twenty 2* recruits loses half of them, they'll end up with ten 2* players. Trust me on this; better players and better coaches mean better teams. Face it, Bama is getting better players and has better coaches. Only a delusional Aubbie would think differently.
Auburn fans "hope" that Cheesewiz can coach-up those fantastic athletes but there's no evidence to support that. I guess "hope" is what Auburn fans cling too.

Just one "Roll Tide"...come on...
My reply would be Who cares. the game of football is played on a field, not on a piece of paper, in rivals.com. glad Alabama got the players they wanted. but let it go, Alabama had a great year, and Auburn did not, we feel the pain you have felt over the past few years. The one thing that you can count on is the nicknames for the Auburn coach's. lol what is the nickname for the coach that alabama has now that is from Auburn, I am sure now he is the best at his job, now that he is alabama. lmao... to funny. Maybe Satan will stay around long enough to see those grad. or go to jail which ever comes first.
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
I would say not bashing and lauding are close too the same thing.

You're right...I don't "know" anything about Auburn football or their recruiting class...don't really want to. What I do know is they
lost 36-0 on the field, have been out-recruited two years running, fired Tubby and hired a coach with a losing record. It may be all part of a "master plan", but if it is, I'd think about a new plan.

For some reason, you seem to think "fantastic" athletes and good coaches are exclusive too Auburn and attrition or injury only happen in Tuscaloosa. If a team with twenty 4* loses half of them, they'll end up with ten 4* players. If a team with twenty 2* recruits loses half of them, they'll end up with ten 2* players. Trust me on this; better players and better coaches mean better teams. Face it, Bama is getting better players and has better coaches. Only a delusional Aubbie would think differently.
Auburn fans "hope" that Cheesewiz can coach-up those fantastic athletes but there's no evidence to support that. I guess "hope" is what Auburn fans cling too.

Just one "Roll Tide"...come on...


Once again....wow...you swing and miss over and over and over again.... First, I never said Bama didn't have good players....Rolando McClain is one of my favorite SEC players and is a beast. Arenus is a huge weapon... i think the kid Barron is going to be a stud @ safety for ya'll for the next few years.... Saban is a good coach, as I have stated. I don't like him and never have....I think he is shady in some of his tactics and is a total arse...but a good coach. See, I can speak with objectivity.... you can't, and that's why ur opinion means so little.
As for the * arguement again....(sigh).... who are you comparing Bama to?? As I've mentioned, even if you go by the star arguement, Auburn don't sign 20 2* guys so your point is invalid on it's face. Like I've said, bama got good players, auburn got good players... In 2 to 3 years we'll get to measure them up with actual evidence to back it up. 36-0 was one year.... now we see what this one brings.

WAR EAGLE!!
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
I would say not bashing and lauding are close too the same thing.

You're right...I don't "know" anything about Auburn football or their recruiting class...don't really want to. What I do know is they
lost 36-0 on the field, have been out-recruited two years running, fired Tubby and hired a coach with a losing record. It may be all part of a "master plan", but if it is, I'd think about a new plan.

For some reason, you seem to think "fantastic" athletes and good coaches are exclusive too Auburn and attrition or injury only happen in Tuscaloosa. If a team with twenty 4* loses half of them, they'll end up with ten 4* players. If a team with twenty 2* recruits loses half of them, they'll end up with ten 2* players. Trust me on this; better players and better coaches mean better teams. Face it, Bama is getting better players and has better coaches. Only a delusional Aubbie would think differently.
Auburn fans "hope" that Cheesewiz can coach-up those fantastic athletes but there's no evidence to support that. I guess "hope" is what Auburn fans cling too.

Just one "Roll Tide"...come on...


Once again....wow...you swing and miss over and over and over again.... First, I never said Bama didn't have good players....Rolando McClain is one of my favorite SEC players and is a beast. Arenus is a huge weapon... i think the kid Barron is going to be a stud @ safety for ya'll for the next few years.... Saban is a good coach, as I have stated. I don't like him and never have....I think he is shady in some of his tactics and is a total arse...but a good coach. See, I can speak with objectivity.... you can't, and that's why ur opinion means so little.
As for the * arguement again....(sigh).... who are you comparing Bama to?? As I've mentioned, even if you go by the star arguement, Auburn don't sign 20 2* guys so your point is invalid on it's face. Like I've said, bama got good players, auburn got good players... In 2 to 3 years we'll get to measure them up with actual evidence to back it up. 36-0 was one year.... now we see what this one brings.

WAR EAGLE!!


Hey Pete....your "paranoia" is showing. Contrary too what you may think, every statement about football is not a Bama vs. Auburn thing. Whether it's Alabama, Auburn or Podunk U. ...Whether it's football, basketball, or hockey...it doesn't matter...that fact is universal...better coaches and better players make for better teams. That shouldn't be that difficult to understand. When Auburn won those six in a row over Bama, that Auburn fans cherish so much, could it possibly be because...ah....they had better coaches and players ? Now the situation is reversed...deal with it, or continue to ignore it...your choice.

Your first post was a feeble attempt by an Auburn fan to trivialize the fact that Bama out-recruited Auburn by trying to diminish the importance of recruiting and the knowledge of recruiting experts. While your claim that we won't know how this class will work out for three or four years is certainly true, head coaches don't have a crystal ball they can look in to and divine the future. They must evaluate talent and offer scholarships now. They don't have the luxury of that "20/20 hindsight" of yours. Heck...you can probably tell us the winner of the Super Bowl Roll Eyes, but can you tell us the winner of the Super Bowl in three years ?

Contrary to the BS your spreading around trying to make Auburn fans feel better about their situation, all players are not the same. If they were, Cheesewiz could just get twenty intramural players at Auburn and give them scholarships. Players are evaluated and ranked, whether it's by recruiting services for fans or coaching staffs for football teams. According too recruiting experts around the country, Auburn's class was not as good as Bama's. Likewise coaching staffs of other SEC schools did not offer scholarships to most of Auburn's signees. But we all know that you and the Auburn coaches are better at evaluating talent than any recruiting expert or the other coaching staffs in the league. Roll Eyes

Being objective does not mean praising your opponent, it means facing the truth. The truth is Saban is a good coach, he's proven it. Chizik...not so much. The truth is, according too last years score, all the experts , other coaching staffs, and any objective fan, Bama has been getting the better players. Sometimes the truth hurts...live with it...I did.

It's all a matter of perspective. When you're on the bottom looking up and state a fact...you're objective. When you're on top looking down and state the same fact.. you're not. Go figure... Roll Eyes

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