Regarding Obama - Woman In Congress Audience Yells, "Help us, Jesus!"

Bill, why don't you give it up? You hang on to your misconceptions and untruths as if they were, well, Gospel.

http://www.politifact.com/trut...g-anthem-not-pledge/


And I have shown you before that that picture was taken DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. When some internet rumor comes around, I check it out, and if I find that it's false, I certainly don't perpetuate it. All I would be doing if I did, would be to make myself look gullible and foolish. Why in the WORLD would you want to let the whole world know that you hate our president so much that you want to spread LIES about him, especially when those LIES are so easy to ferret out?

Can you not give it up. President Obama is a cistzen of this country. Your posts are nothing short the type of hate speech we hear everyday from the right wing and birthers. I have read your posts before and you seem to be a serious religous man but your hatred of the president screams of your out and out racism. We should all foucs on the problems of our coutnry concerning health care, war, social security and the future of this country. Finally, the lack of respect that is shown to the President is unbelivealbe. When people critized Bush I we were told by the Repbulicans and far right wingers that we were not true Americans and we wree not supporting the troops. How can someone yell out like that be given any kind of recognition?

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Originally posted by O No!:
Bill, why don't you give it up? You hang on to your misconceptions and untruths as if they were, well, Gospel.

And I have shown you before that that picture was taken DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. When some internet rumor comes around, I check it out, and if I find that it's false, I certainly don't perpetuate it. All I would be doing if I did, would be to make myself look gullible and foolish. Why in the WORLD would you want to let the whole world know that you hate our president so much that you want to spread LIES about him, especially when those LIES are so easy to ferret out?

Hi O,

First, we still stand and place our hands over our hearts as we sing the National Anthem as well as when we say the Pledge of Allegiance.

Second, the other three people in this photo know that. Why doesn't Obama?

And, you seem to have overlooked the main point of my post -- Obama has lied to America about his birth, as proven by the dates in this article.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

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Originally posted by steve:
Can you not give it up. President Obama is a cistzen of this country. Your posts are nothing short the type of hate speech we hear everyday from the right wing and birthers. I have read your posts before and you seem to be a serious religous man but your hatred of the president screams of your out and out racism. We should all foucs on the problems of our coutnry concerning health care, war, social security and the future of this country. Finally, the lack of respect that is shown to the President is unbelivealbe. When people critized Bush I we were told by the Repbulicans and far right wingers that we were not true Americans and we wree not supporting the troops. How can someone yell out like that be given any kind of recognition?

OK, you say he's a citizen, do you have the proof? I can produce my birth certificate, and I bet you can too, so why can't obama? Please show how his post is racism. Obama is the racist, refusing to acknowledge the white side of his family. You lefties do nothing but spread hate speech about the Republicans. Asking about his birth certificate is not racism and nothing like the death threats the liberals were constantly giving Bush. As far as respect, I have none for him. Respect is earned, not given. We are focused on the problems of this country, that's why we vote Republican. Get use to the "yelling out".

Bill, you can find dubious blog sources on the internet that will tell you about alien abductions too. Do you believe those? Obama IS a US citizen. Do you really think he could have run for president if he were not? Just because YOU can't get a copy of his birth certificate, do you really think that the FBI and the CIA and all of the other intelligence agencies couldn't? Or do you think it's all some vast left-wing conspiracy?

As for the correct protocol during the national anthem, only at statefunctions is it required that one puts one's hand over their heart. (This event was a steak fry.) Ever watch a football game Bill? You will see a lot of the players on the sidelines standing at attention with their hands folded.

Obviously you to busy yelling out that he does recongize both side of his family. Secondly, why don't check with the state of Hawaii? He is a citizen and was duly elected. If you disagree that's alright but stop the stupidiy of his birth.

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Originally posted by steve:
Obviously you to busy yelling out that he does recongize both side of his family. Secondly, why don't check with the state of Hawaii? He is a citizen and was duly elected. If you disagree that's alright but stop the stupidiy of his birth.

Duly elected by voter fraud. Elected by ACORN, the black panthers and the corrupt chicago political machine. It's such a simple fix, all he has to do is produce his birth certificate. Again, who can't do that? How does he recognize both sides of his family? He threw the white side under the bus so to speak, to run as a "black man" so he and you and the likes of you, could yell racism at every turn. So are you telling me that all the Bush haters were racists against whites? Now again, how was bill's post racist? That's a big accusation for you to have no proof. Point out the racism for me please.

Voter fraud? Are you kidding? Where are the new black panther? Did you know that was invetigated by the Bush justice department? As for ACORN, where is the proof? If there was so much voter fraud why hasn't anything happened? I did not say Bush was racist. I am saying that ever since day one O'Riley, Hannnity, Limbaugh, Beck, FOX News have attacked President Obama in a way no other president has been attacked over his birht, his intelligence, patriotism, etc. but I guess since FAUX news says it true you must blindly follow.

Oh by the way the cartoon he poseted says it all.

Hi Steve,

Welcome to the Religion Forum. You tell me, "Can you not give it up. President Obama is a citizen of this country. Your posts are nothing short the type of hate speech we hear everyday from the right wing and birthers. I have read your posts before and you seem to be a serious religious man but your hatred of the president screams of your out and out racism."

Personally, I am not convinced that he is an American citizen. He may secretly have his Green Card; but, not a natural born American. If he were truly a natural born American citizen -- why would he not, long ago, have shared his true birth certificate and put all this controversy to rest? I can show my birth certificate and would with no hesitation; I am sure that is true of you also. So, why has Obama fought so hard to NOT prove his birth right as an American citizen. There can only be one answer -- he is not an American citizen and has lied to all Americans. Should such a man be our president? No.

Does pointing out the truth make me a hater? No. Does asking Obama to be honest with America mean that I hate him? No. Does asking Obama to be honest with America mean that I am a racist? No, I would ask this of any person who wants to be president of America.

You say, "We should all focus on the problems of our country concerning health care, war, social security and the future of this country."

That is true. But, just as Bill Clinton's adultery and the big mess he made of it in the White House and all around the world was not a good role model for our children, nor for anyone -- Obama's deceitfulness about his birth certainly sends a message to our young people that it is okay to lie and be deceitful if that is what is needed to succeed. That, in my opinion, is not a good leader. And, most definitely is not a good role mode.

As you said, we must focus on getting America back on track -- but, we should be concerned with both the economic and the moral health of our nation and our people. A president whose morals lead him to justify deceit to gain his goals -- does nothing to lift the moral values and standards of America.

Then, you tell me, "Finally, the lack of respect that is shown to the President is unbelievable. When people criticized Bush we were told by the Republicans and far right wingers that we were not true Americans and we were not supporting the troops. How can someone yell out like that be given any kind of recognition?"

If I were to say that I respect Obama, I would be lying. How can we respect a person who does not respect us? If Obama truly respects the people of America -- he would be honest with us. And, he has not done this.

As President Truman told Gen. MacArthur, "You may not respect me; but, you will respect the office of the president." I do respect the office of the president; but, I do not respect its current occupant -- for the reasons I have given you, deceit and dishonesty.

Was the woman right in yelling out during the Congressional session? Maybe not; but, I can feel her frustration. And, I do believe that frustration will carry over into the 2012 presidential election -- and we will see Obama evicted from the Oval Office.

Steve, once again, welcome. It is always good to share our thoughts and opinions -- even when we disagree.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by steve:
Voter fraud? Are you kidding? Where are the new black panther? Did you know that was invetigated by the Bush justice department? As for ACORN, where is the proof? If there was so much voter fraud why hasn't anything happened? I did not say Bush was racist. I am saying that ever since day one O'Riley, Hannnity, Limbaugh, Beck, FOX News have attacked President Obama in a way no other president has been attacked over his birht, his intelligence, patriotism, etc. but I guess since FAUX news says it true you must blindly follow.

POINT OUT THE RACISM. If you are saying that all the opposition to obama is racism than I contend that all the leftist hate talk, death wishes, threats against Bush was racism against whites. I don't need Fox to show me what's going on with this country. It's not a well kept secret that we're in a horrible downslide. If Fox didn't exist obama would still be the ruin of this country. And believe me there are plenty of leftist media outlets kissing obama's a**.

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Originally posted by steve:
Oh by the way the cartoon he poseted says it all.

What does the cartoon say exactly?

Bill, Thank you for the welcome. I only say that I totally disagree with you on most of your points. No other President has been vetted more than President Obama. Every inch of his live has been documnet almost to adnausism. I do believe he is a citizen and that they bent over backwards to show this. I personnally have moved on to other issues but it is very sad that the many people in this coutnry believe as you do. I do believe that this issue has been put to rest. I do beleive that the leader of ouuntry should have high moral standards. Was Clinton wrong? Yes he wss wrong in his actions. So, when the Bush lied about the situation in Iraq, was he not morally wrong as well? I find intereting that you talk about the mess Clinton left. What mess? He left a $150 billion dollar surplus and had seen this country go thru the peroid of economic growth. What Obama inheit? The worst ecomnom since the great depression. So we can disagree about agreeing. My point of reference is this: I grew up there in Florence in the 1960's and 70's and saw how strong the local economy wss. but when Reagan came in look what happened. Clinton and Bush Sr. did not help either. Look at all of the industry that moved out. Reynolds, Union Carbide, Ford. NAFTA was terrible for the area. Fianally, when Bush left office look at the state of our national and local economy! My observattion is that Reupublican ecnomic policy only works for the upper 2% and the hell with the rest of the us. As for Jennifer, grow up!

Grow up? You're the one posting the silly crap about racism and his birth certificate. And there was no surplus. As for the war, Kennedy, Hillary, Dashele, the UN, Saddam himself, and many others said he had WMD which he did. The democrats were in it as deep as Republicans. I guess when you can't answer the questions you yell "grow up". Well one day when YOU finally grow up you might not be so quick to post statements you can't back up. Now how about this, show the racism in bill's post.

As long as you're trying to get people to answer your questions, Jennifer, how about answering mine? SHOW ME WHERE I LIED! And show me WHAT DOES MY FAITH HAVE TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS?

quote: from O No!
It IS true that Palin has a map on her website with gun sights printed on places she thinks need to be "cleaned up". That type of rhetoric is dangerous because unbalanced people may take it to heart. Actually, that kind of rhetoric is outrageous. If a DEMOCRAT had a website like that, you'd crucify him! If a DEMOCRAT talked the way Angle does, you'd call for their impeachment. You KNOW you would!

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And the response from Jennifer was:

"This twisted lying mess from a woman that claims to be such a big christian."

Jennifer, here is my answer. No other president or presidential candidate has been asked to show us their birth certificate. The one common dominator? They were all white. If President Obama had another name or a different skin color there would have been no question. I have grown up and can see what has happend to our coutnry whre lies and untruths are accepted as the truth because someone on radio or TV said it wss true. Answer me this, Jennifer, what left wing show has called for death threats, viloence or anyhting of that nature? It is unfortunate that many of us are so lazy as not to find out the facts for themselves alone. We are so lazy as to believe what we are told by radio show hosts and TV personalities. By the way there was a surplus. Check the CBO. No bull there, just the facts and at the time Congress and the Sentate were in Reupulbican control.

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Originally posted by steve:
Jennifer, here is my answer. No other president or presidential candidate has been asked to show us their birth certificate. The one common dominator? They were all white. If President Obama had another name or a different skin color there would have been no question. I have grown up and can see what has happend to our coutnry whre lies and untruths are accepted as the truth because someone on radio or TV said it wss true. Answer me this, Jennifer, what left wing show has called for death threats, viloence or anyhting of that nature? It is unfortunate that many of us are so lazy as not to find out the facts for themselves alone. We are so lazy as to believe what we are told by radio show hosts and TV personalities. By the way there was a surplus. Check the CBO. No bull there, just the facts and at the time Congress and the Sentate were in Reupulbican control.

ANY show that has the left wing loonies on it sit and laugh while the looney tunes talk about killing Bush, Palin, Republicans.I challenge you on the statement that no other president has shown their birth certificate. Now tell me who has seen obama's? You keep going on about tv and radio. I told you I don't need Fox to know what's going on. What do you watch? The leftie media. And what do you read? The leftie sites. So get off the Fox kick. There was no surplus. Get off the leftie sites and go to reputable financial sites. The truth is foreign to you lefties. You'd rather see the country in ruins than admit you screw** the pooch when the thugs put that community organizer in office. Now let's talk racism. You're in the religion forum, obama doesn't go to church. He went to a place that called itself a church, but was only a building where the most racist meet. Does the name Wright ring a bell? One day you lefties will finally wear out that race card. I don't know what you'll yell then. I don't like him because he is a socialist bent on ruining this country.

I have never reported anyone here, but if I see one more political thread started by Bill here in the religion section I am going to do just that.

I want religion and politics separate as it should be. That is the problem with the mess we are in today. People like Bill who can't separate the two and would like nothing more than to run this country as a christian nation in the same vein as Iran is a muslim country.

Stop it Bill or I will report you. There is a section for this kind of thing. You think we don't see what you are doing?

Jank, uh, they do mention god on the politics forum.

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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
I have never reported anyone here, but if I see one more political thread started by Bill here in the religion section I am going to do just that.

I want religion and politics separate as it should be. That is the problem with the mess we are in today. People like Bill who can't separate the two and would like nothing more than to run this country as a christian nation in the same vein as Iran is a muslim country.

Stop it Bill or I will report you. There is a section for this kind of thing. You think we don't see what you are doing?

Does someone need a diaper change?

Here's a little "love talk" for you to look over steve, when you're typing that people are going after obama and didn't do it to others.

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

I think it's hilarious that when a Christian posts a link, Jennifer is the first to try to debunk it. And yet she just loves to post links from questionable blogs, and she swears it's the "Gospel" truth!

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
Jank, uh, they do mention god on the politics forum.

Exactly. Those that can't separate their god and their politics are a dangerous lot. Bill is the enemy of anyone that is in favor of separation of church and state. I don't go to the political forum very often for this very reason.

I am fighting to keep them separate...what about you?

LE89 posted this over on politics today. It appies to ALL of us, here in religion and over there. I think it's the best post I have ever read on this forum.

"While so many people including myself identify with one group or another at any given time over any given issue, we must all realize when we throw rocks at the opposition, that one day when the fight changes to a separate issue, your buddy is now your opposition, and your foe is now your friend.

Imagine, dividing a massive group into conservatives and liberals, walk away with your group. Now divide that group into life vs. choice, walk away with your now smaller group, now gun control vs. gun rights, walk away, now Auburn vs. Alabama, walk, now hetero vs. gay, now atheist vs. christian, now white vs. black, now leash law vs. free to roam, now so on and so on. Pretty soon you are in a group of one so you will have to throw rocks at everyone.

Imagine having to fight a cause in some way and teaming up with your buddy only next week you take up another cause and now you have to oppose him. It never ends, don't take so seriously to degrade each other, just dis-agree, and still meet and greet after each battle."

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I am fighting to keep them separate...what about you?

Trying. But they're determined to insinuate religion into ever aspect of private life and government.

His post is great.

As for politics, right now it is being over run by a person with a split personality, or they may have three.

I think I will wait until 'they' leave to do their homework.

Help me Jesus! LOL

Yeah B, imagine how much work that is! I guess if he has time to waste like that he must not have much going for him. He'll get tired eventually and crawl back under his rock.

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Originally posted by b50m:
His post is great.

As for politics, right now it is being over run by a person with a split personality, or they may have three.

I think I will wait until 'they' leave to do their homework.



Help me Jesus! LOL

I agree b50m, great post.

I do however think that some things are worth fighting for. Sometimes you have to take a side. I wear the jersey, got the big foam #1 hand, bumper stickers, all the gear for the "separation" team.

I agree you have to take a side, but you don't have to insult the other side in the process.

The woman was way out of line and showed herself to be ignorant and petty.

Hopefully, she will not be re-elected next time.

This birth certificate thing is so freaking stupid. Even in local level politics, your eligibility to run must be verified. I would assume, that on the national level (especially for the office of President), verifying eligibility would be the first thing done.

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Originally posted by O No!:
Bill, you can find dubious blog sources on the internet that will tell you about alien abductions too. Do you believe those? Obama IS a US citizen. Do you really think he could have run for president if he were not? Just because YOU can't get a copy of his birth certificate, do you really think that the FBI and the CIA and all of the other intelligence agencies couldn't?

Yes! Plus there are plenty of rich Republicans who could have, and for all we know did, hire private dectectives or other types of investigators to disprove his citizenship BEFORE the election? Give this question a rest for goodness sake!

It is SO SWEET to see Jen and Bill finally getting along!

Do I need to rent a tux?

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Originally posted by steve:
Bill, Thank you for the welcome. I only say that I totally disagree with you on most of your points. No other President has been vetted more than President Obama. Every inch of his live has been documnet almost to adnausism. I do believe he is a citizen and that they bent over backwards to show this. I personnally have moved on to other issues but it is very sad that the many people in this coutnry believe as you do. I do believe that this issue has been put to rest. I do beleive that the leader of ouuntry should have high moral standards. Was Clinton wrong? Yes he wss wrong in his actions. So, when the Bush lied about the situation in Iraq, was he not morally wrong as well? I find intereting that you talk about the mess Clinton left. What mess? He left a $150 billion dollar surplus and had seen this country go thru the peroid of economic growth. What Obama inheit? The worst ecomnom since the great depression. So we can disagree about agreeing. My point of reference is this: I grew up there in Florence in the 1960's and 70's and saw how strong the local economy wss. but when Reagan came in look what happened. Clinton and Bush Sr. did not help either. Look at all of the industry that moved out. Reynolds, Union Carbide, Ford. NAFTA was terrible for the area. Fianally, when Bush left office look at the state of our national and local economy! My observattion is that Reupublican ecnomic policy only works for the upper 2% and the hell with the rest of the us. As for Jennifer, grow up!

First, if you are going to enter an arena of intellectual ideas, you should at least learn how to write in English. As your writing is at a sixth grade level are we to assume your understanding of the issues is on the same level? It certainly appears to be. For instance, you state that President Clinton left a 150 Billion dollar surplus. This is beyond foolish. A surplus in what account? Are you saying that our Nation was debt free and had an extra 150 Billion in savings? Or, are you saying there was a 150 Billion that could have been added to the National debt, but was not? Yes, the Shoals did have a strong economy in the 1960s and early 1970s. The labor unions ran the big industries out of town with their unreasonable demands. I am not a Republican or a tea party member. I follow the Constitution, I'm a Libertarian. Good luck in English class.

Why is this in the religion section?

Semi,

First good to see you.

Apparently Bill either can't distinguish beteween politics and religion or he chooses not to. I feel it is the later.

He is like most (but not all) christians in this belief. Some would run this country as a christian nation if given the chance. Actually they have succeeded in doing so on many levels. I for one am tired of living under their thumb. I have reported it. I said I was going to do it next time, but he has done this sort of thing many times before. Also I apparently don't have to do what I say anyway...I am an atheist ya know.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Second, the other three people in this photo know that. Why doesn't Obama?

perhaps because the practice of placing your hand over the heart during the anthem isn't taught much any more.

i've always placed hand over heart during the pledge but not when singing the anthem. i've done that my whole life and always considered that people who cover heart during the anthem really didn't know the rules.

just now, 5 minutes ago, i visited the "flag code" and, sure nuff, its in there to cover the heart during the anthem. but i bet you that half the population doesn't know that. whatever the case, making a big f-ing deal over it is just stupid. this is a free country no thanks to people like you.

personally, i more and more resent the whole pledge thing. i dont' have to recite the pledge 100 times a year to be loyal to my country. the "under god" part makes the whole thing simply worthless to say any more.

speaking about that, tell us about your military career, bill? how did you avoid the draft? you skip out to canada? or perhaps, as usual, you are all words and no substance?

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
I can show my birth certificate and would with no hesitation; I am sure that is true of you also. So, why has Obama fought so hard to NOT prove his birth right as an American citizen.

whacked out fundamentalists are NEVER swayed by facts but, what the hell:



If you relay want to know the facts, here is a good start. http://www.snopes.com/politics...birthcertificate.asp

and, for what it's worth, i'm not big fan of obama's polocies but i do have enough sense to think for myself. not everything he has done has been evil. in fact, some things have been astoundingly great. you'll never hear that from the right wing extremists who simply spew whatever Hannity and Limbaugh tell them to spew.


[EDIT: this is an image of the birth certificate. it was visible when i first posted it but it is not now for whatever reason. there is a link to it in the snopes link i posted.]

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Originally posted by Netracer41:

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Originally posted by steve:
Bill, Thank you for the welcome. I only say that I totally disagree with you on most of your points. No other President has been vetted more than President Obama. Every inch of his live has been documnet almost to adnausism. I do believe he is a citizen and that they bent over backwards to show this. I personnally have moved on to other issues but it is very sad that the many people in this coutnry believe as you do. I do believe that this issue has been put to rest. I do beleive that the leader of ouuntry should have high moral standards. Was Clinton wrong? Yes he wss wrong in his actions. So, when the Bush lied about the situation in Iraq, was he not morally wrong as well? I find intereting that you talk about the mess Clinton left. What mess? He left a $150 billion dollar surplus and had seen this country go thru the peroid of economic growth. What Obama inheit? The worst ecomnom since the great depression. So we can disagree about agreeing. My point of reference is this: I grew up there in Florence in the 1960's and 70's and saw how strong the local economy wss. but when Reagan came in look what happened. Clinton and Bush Sr. did not help either. Look at all of the industry that moved out. Reynolds, Union Carbide, Ford. NAFTA was terrible for the area. Fianally, when Bush left office look at the state of our national and local economy! My observattion is that Reupublican ecnomic policy only works for the upper 2% and the hell with the rest of the us. As for Jennifer, grow up!

First, if you are going to enter an arena of intellectual ideas, you should at least learn how to write in English. As your writing is at a sixth grade level are we to assume your understanding of the issues is on the same level? It certainly appears to be. For instance, you state that President Clinton left a 150 Billion dollar surplus. This is beyond foolish. A surplus in what account? Are you saying that our Nation was debt free and had an extra 150 Billion in savings? Or, are you saying there was a 150 Billion that could have been added to the National debt, but was not? Yes, the Shoals did have a strong economy in the 1960s and early 1970s. The labor unions ran the big industries out of town with their unreasonable demands. I am not a Republican or a tea party member. I follow the Constitution, I'm a Libertarian. Good luck in English class.

The Clinton surplus was a surplus over the budget amount spent in a particular year. In that year (actually two years, if I remember correctly) there was NO DEFICIT, as contrasted with the massive deficits we have faced over the last 10 years or so. More money came in than was paid out.