Regime having trouble finding "qualified" death panel members...

rt. wingnut propaganda at its finest! keep spreading the fear and lies...

never mind it got you beat in 2012. its gotta work in 2016.

Same old liberal move. If you can't dispute the facts, just say it's rt wingnut propaganda.

This is funny. A party that doesn't care about the unborn, thinks it's fine to murder them in the womb for any reason, wanted to be able to murder them when they were born, wants you to believe they give a flip about the elderly? The very first I heard about the "death panel" was from an elderly man. I asked him who had told him that, he said no one, but it was pretty apparent to him and his friends that the government wouldn't go to any extremes to save an elderly person who needed extensive, expensive, intensive care.

The second time I heard it mentioned was on the news, (it could have been palin, I don't remember) saying that the elderly were AFRAID that there would be death panels. It was their FEAR. It was their concern and what they were saying. Not that there would be death panels, no warning that there'd be, but that it was a fear of theirs. I could have said the same thing, because it is true, that is a fear the elderly have, and no one had to tell them that.

 So many years ago, long before obama or palin, I heard the statement made that one day they'd be putting people to sleep like they do sick animals. I didn't believe that then, but then again, how many years ago could you have told people that the day would come when you could legally kill a child before it was born, again for any reason, and that again, there would be some that thought you should be able to kill it at birth. So, seeing that, and other things that have come to pass,  I guess it's pretty easy for the elderly to think that the day will come when they'll face death panels.

There have been death panels for a very long time now. Well, not really death panels, that is a term the conservative nut jobs started calling them. Insurance companies have been deciding the fate of sick people without so much as a sniffle from the concerned conservatives for 20 years. They decide what kind of treatment you can have, what you doctor can do to diagnose you, or even if you are worth the risk of a surgery. Now, suddenly the right is all concerned and think (like so many other things) that this administration invented the idea.

A little late to the party as usual.

Jank, if I recall, you are getting rather long in the tooth.  I hope you are not relying on Obamacare to take care of you.

Captain, the misrepresentation king.

If Obama says "there are no death panels", all we can do is take him at his word...

http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

Here are a few quotes from her book by Betsy McCaughey, Ph.D.:

Cuts to Medicare pay more than half of Obamacare.

If you fail to get coverage, the IRS can withhold your refund.

Hospitals that spend least per senior get bonus points, starting October 2012.

You could find yourself on Medicaid, where surgery patients have a lower chance of surviving than patients with no insurance at all.

The Secretary of Health and Human Services will dictate how your doctor treats you, even if you have a private plan you paid for yourself.

Medicare officials warn that some hospitals will stop taking Medicare. Where will seniors go?

Well, seeing as "Death Panels" don't exist and has been repeatedly called propaganda, yeah, doesn't need much rebuttal. If you come screaming about aliens in your attic, it ain't on us to prove there aren't.

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Oh death panels do in fact exist. They’re not called death panels but they are definitely in the new health care law. If you’d take the time to research the new law you would know. It won’t be long before you lefties realize it.

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That old tire about "death panels" is so worn out it should have fallen off the car by now. 

This claim, first made by former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the 2008 GOP vice presidential candidate, has been thoroughly debunked and was labeled "lie of the year" in 2009 by PolitiFact.com. Yet it persists in the popular imagination. The September Kaiser poll found that 30 percent of seniors still believed this to be the case--and 22 percent were not sure, meaning fewer than half knew the claim was false.

 

 

The charge stemmed from a proposed amendment to the bill that would have covered the cost of end-of-the-life planning discussions. Democrats quickly dropped the provision after the firestorm created by Palin's assertion, even after it was proven to be factually incorrect.

 

But the issue remains politically sensitive. In late December, The New York Times reported that under new Medicare regulations for annual physical examination, "the government will pay doctors who advise patients on options for end-of-life care, which may include advance directives to forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment." The White House reversed course days later, ordering the Medicare agency to delete references to end-of-life planning in its new regulations.

http://voices.washingtonpost.c...alth_care_myths.html

Betsy McCaughey Launches Health Care Debate With A Lie

McCaughey Helps Spread Falsehood Through Conservative Media

PolitiFact Debunks McCaughey's Claim

Fox News, Right-Wing Figures Continue To Push False Claim

McCaughey Backpedaled On Claim When Confronted By Criticism

Media Echo Chamber Pushes On With Falsehood

Sarah Palin Amps Up The Falsehood By Introducing The Death Panel Myth

Fox News Personalities Quickly Adopt "Death Panel" Claim

Fox News Revive Discredited "Death Panels" Lie To Attack VA

Conservative Media Resurrect Death Panel Lie To Claim That They Are Included In Merged House Bill

Conservative Media Figures Link Nonbinding Mammogram Guidelines To "Death Panels"

PolitiFact Names "Death Panels" Its 2009 "Lie Of The Year"

Palin Revives Death Panel Myth To Ask If They Are "Back In" Senate Health Care Bill

Conservative Media Revive "Death Panels" Yet Again With New, False Target: The Independent Medicare Advisory Board

Despite Debunking And "Lie Of The Year" Designation, Conservative Media Figures Continued To Push Death Panel Myth In 2010

Right-Wing Media Seized on Orszag Comment To Claim That Health Care Law Contains Death Panels

Right-Wing Media Figures Cited Ineffective Drug Avastin As Evidence Of Death Panels

Right-Wing Media Kicked Off 2011 By Dusting Off "Death Panel" Lie

Anyone who thinks wait times to see doctors won't go up under this govt plan is naive, stupid, or a kool aid drinking sheep. It will be an incredibly inefficient waste of resources just like everything that govt runs. 

However, one think you can be sure of is that the elite super wealthy will not see their wait times to see a doctor increase. 

Like I’ve already said, they are not called death panels but that’s what they are. In the law, the death panels are called the Independent Payment Advisory Board. A board made up of 15 people who will decide if you get treatment or not.

Thanks for telling it like it is Crash. You are right on about the democrats using fear and lies to win the election. It sounds good to hear a liberal finally tell the truth.

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is your avatar a loon? or is that just you?

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As I said earlier in this thread, this has been the normal practice of insurance companies for decades now. It amazes me that there are those here that are just now getting wise to this. President Obama and the ACA didn't invent this idea. You and me and everyone else that has insurance have been having our medical care decided by a third party for 20-30 years. When you have surgery do you not have to have it per-approved by your insurance company?