Religious Morons 06/09/09

I recall that reactionary, lunatic, Pat Robertson praying for the "removal" of three Supreme Court justices. The term "removal" of course meaning that he prays that they die. Christianists can be SO primitive sometimes.

Indeed, much is done in the name of religion that is silly at best and heinous at worst. And persons such as you can be depended upon to look for all of the bad stuff and totally ignore the good things that religion has done and continues to do.

Why don't you balance your act and for each instance of absurdity in the name of religion, post an example of unselfish and loving acts carried out by sincere and loving practitioners of religion.

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
I recall that reactionary, lunatic, Pat Robertson praying for the "removal" of three Supreme Court justices. The term "removal" of course meaning that he prays that they die. Christianists can be SO primitive sometimes.

Robertson is a fine example of sham religion. That verminous weasel created a TV network, using contributions from his followers, and then sold it for multiplied millions and kept the proceeds for himself. He entered into a personal diamond-mining joint venture with the President Mobutu, the vilest of African dictators, using airplanes that were supposed to be dedicated to flying food and other relief items to impoverished and downtrodden persons in the third world. But--ha, ha--the deal went bust and left Pat holding the bag (without any diamonds in it).

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Robertson is a totally FAKE faith healer. He squenches up his face and claims to "see" persons in his viewing audience with various maladies, which he describes in some detail, then claims that he can also sense that these afflictions are being healed "right now." His clone son has followed in Pat's footsteps, making the same silly claims. A pox on the House of Robertson!

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Originally posted by beternU:
Why don't you (...) post an example of unselfish and loving acts carried out by sincere and loving practitioners of religion.

That's not in my job description. If you're up to the task, have at it.

Look, I didn't post something about some random street preacher who made a stupid remark. This is the former second-in-command of the SBC. Arguably, one of the most influential evangelical groups in the world. When someone of this caliber speaks, people listen.

Someone needs to illuminate the idiocy and outright evility. You may be capable of turning a blind eye to it in the name of your god but I am under no such restraint.

Burying your head in the sand over this stuff (unlike the Mean One up there) is what allows priests, for decades, to get away with raping children under the cross!

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Originally posted by beternU:
Robertson is a fine example of sham religion. That verminous weasel

Ok, I take some of what I said back. Good on you.

Cookey,
I respect your opinion, and you are entitled to it. However, just because this guy makes a statement like this does not mean that those of us who are part of the Baptist faith relish in the fact that this man was murdered. We also do not condone this type of behavior nor ask for more of it. You can find fanatism wherever you look for it.
God gave people the free will to make their choices. Choices which create consequences that they must face. The abortion doctor is no more hated that the murderer who shot him down in the Lord's house. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deceiving themselves.
Don't lump all Christians together by the actions of a few. Don't deny God's existence, nor the power of faith, based upon the actions of a few people. If you choose not to believe, that is your right, however why mock and ridicule those who choose to do otherwise? It does not make you any better than them, and likewise it makes them no better than you to do the same.
The only thing I have to ask you is this. If I am wrong about my faith, what have I lost or gained in the end? If you are wrong in your disbelief what have you lost? or gained? But what if I am right?
Not all Christians are like the man who killed Teller, or like Pat Robertson. Most of us, like you, struggle with surviving and raising our children and doing what is right in the world. We are not much different. We all have struggles. Don't base your hate of Christianity upon the actions of a few.

It bugs me that when you are watching, his main thing is that people who are having finacial problems can start giving to his organization, then all there finaces are fixed. I really believe that you are supposed to tithe, but I don't see where giving to his org. is where it is meant. There are some people out there that are so desparte that they will order the holy water. Please, how can people make profit off of desparation. I know in my hard times, praying constantly for God to help, then thanking him each night that I made it through another day. I didn't need Pat Roberson, it was between God and me. I made it, and to this day give credit to God.
When I am flipping channels and he is praying to heal someone, I stop and pray along. There is probably someone with an ear infection that if they pray might be healed. Just because I think what can it hurt to just pray anytime is right.

Hello Teyates,

These kinds of remarks and countless other frauds, scams, hoodwinks, rapes, abuses and vile, disgusting acts are committed in the name of religion every single day. If people don't speak up about it, it will continue to happen.

I respect your opinion, too, but when these people hide behind the robe of their god and toss this verbal sewage, someone has to call them on it because the church itself generally won't.

As to the your comments on my belief: How do you know you are worshiping the correct god? There are thousands of them, you know. What if you are wrong?

What if god values truth and honesty, science and rational thinking above blind faith?

I'd rather worship at the alter of science, reason and practice a moral philosophy than blindly supplicate myself to a doctrine that I find morally bankrupt. If I'm wrong, I will admit it when the time comes.

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Originally posted by teyates:
Cookey,
I respect your opinion, and you are entitled to it. However, just because this guy makes a statement like this does not mean that those of us who are part of the Baptist faith relish in the fact that this man was murdered.

Check some of the other posts on the Tiller-Killer thing. You'll find a LOT of jubilation. However, I don't believe anyone is saying ALL religious people are in favor of cold-blooded murder. Just the person who did the deed is NOT a hero or a martyr to the cause.

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We also do not condone this type of behavior nor ask for more of it. You can find fanatism wherever you look for it.
God gave people the free will to make their choices. Choices which create consequences that they must face. The abortion doctor is no more hated that the murderer who shot him down in the Lord's house. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deceiving themselves.

Self-deception is a sly affliction; there are too many of the weak-minded out there who absord deception preached from a pulpit.

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Don't lump all Christians together by the actions of a few. Don't deny God's existence, nor the power of faith, based upon the actions of a few people. If you choose not to believe, that is your right, however why mock and ridicule those who choose to do otherwise? It does not make you any better than them, and likewise it makes them no better than you to do the same.
The only thing I have to ask you is this. If I am wrong about my faith, what have I lost or gained in the end? If you are wrong in your disbelief what have you lost? or gained? But what if I am right?

I'm on your side on this one.

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Not all Christians are like the man who killed Teller, or like Pat Robertson. Most of us, like you, struggle with surviving and raising our children and doing what is right in the world. We are not much different. We all have struggles. Don't base your hate of Christianity upon the actions of a few.

You're a good example of what a christian should be.

yes, he is, zip.

For the non-religious murdering maniacs.

Charles Manson "Helter Skelter".
Want to blame the Beatles?

L,

what makes you think the Mansonites were not religious?


DF

Read Bugliosi's book.

They believed Charlie Manson to be Jesus Christ reborn. Now Charlie comes up for parole hearings every year with a swastika carved in his forehead. California's budget crisis will probably put him on the street as rehabilitated. Maybe he'll move to Arkansas.

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
L,

what makes you think the Mansonites were not religious?


DF

If you want to count them religious because they believed that nut to be God, so be it. I thought we were talking about a true religious belief, like Christianity or Muslim or Judaism, not cults.
For that matter, Obama has people worshiping him. Guess he's a cult leader too.
OMO.

by definition all religions are cults.

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Originally posted by beternU:
Why don't you balance your act and for each instance of absurdity in the name of religion, post an example of unselfish and loving acts carried out by sincere and loving practitioners of religion.

Agreed. I could also point out many idiots throughout history who claimed to be Atheists, Agnostics, and such while making some seriously ignorant statements themselves. However...I would be a fool to only point out the bad apples as there are also countless numbers of Atheists who contribute a great deal to society and present a compelling argument for their point of view with both actions and words.

Trust me...if anyone has a less-than-desirable view of the SBC it's me and this man NEEDS to be called out, but c'mon...shouldn't we be fair and balance just like Fox News is all the time? haha

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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
Agreed. I could also point out many idiots throughout history who claimed to be Atheists,

Of course. But you will be very hard pressed to find an atheist that does evil in the name of atheism. No man has ever done evil because he was thinking too rationally.

Men have evil hearts. We have and will continue to harm our fellow man. But it takes religion to organize that evility into a killing machine.

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Originally posted by teyates:
Don't base your hate of Christianity upon the actions of a few.

And, btw, I don't hate Christianity. I hate fundamentalism. There is a big difference.

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Originally posted by tcf531:
by definition all religions are cults.

What is the definition of a cult?

When you speak of people like Pat Robertson, and the man who killed Dr. Tiller, you completely leave out people like Mother Teresa who devoted her life to helping the poor. Maybe you think that Christians who help the poor are rare. Are you aware that a team of Shoals area Christian health care professionals and other Christian volunteers are going to Honduras this summer to give free health care to those in need? My teen-age son has raised money ($1,900) this spring so he can pay his way to go and help on the mission sponsored by Baptist Medical and Dental Mission International. There are hundreds of people from just the Shoals area, who at great personal expense, go to foreign countries every year to help those in desperate need. Many others are involved in local missions to help those who are in need here. All I hear is how the churches here don't help, but I will tell you unequivocally, that is simply not true. A local faith based organization called M.O.M.S. is still considered by the state of Alabama as it's most effective tool for helping convicted drug offenders reenter society. M.O.M.S. is completely supported by Churches and Christians here in the Shoals. Local food banks are almost exclusively sponsored and supported by local Christian Churches and their members. Members of local area Churches of Christ were some of the first ones into the areas hit hard by Katrina. They offered aid and worked hard with the clean up. There are just thousands of examples of local Christians working to help others. It is unfortunate, but they are very rarely mentioned, but they don't do it for glory or praise. They do it in obedience to Jesus who commanded Christians to help those without. They have learned that life's greatest joy is found by serving others, unlike the atheist philosophy which concludes that one's only purpose is to serve one's self. I have found over the years, that the same one's who complain about Churches begging for money are the same one's who falsely claim that the local Churches do nothing to help those in need.

Are there bad Christians? Yes, of course there are. Jesus told us no one was good. No not one. As Christians, we make mistakes, but we continue to strive towards perfection in Jesus with the aid of His Holy Spirit. In this we find freedom and joy which surpasses all understanding. Cookey, I am really and sincerely sad for you. I was once an atheist who thought I had all the answers, but I have found that I was really just lost with no direction. I pray for you to receive the joy of living for Christ. I know you will dismiss this as ancient superstition just like I used to, but I hope and pray that somehow something in you will understand someday that we are not morons. We are the ones who have it together in a way you cannot understand. 1st Timothy 6:3-4. (Circa AD 64).


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smooth,
Your son will come back with a new attitude on life. I have been on this trip before. It was heartbreaking to see people walk for 7-8 hours to see a doctor or dentist, and the only thing we had to give them was a handful of aspirin, maybe some blood pressure meds, and a little hope. They smile and laugh with you, and truly appreciate your compassion. At night there were church services and the people were so joyous and happy, it was truly awesome.
I slept on a stone floor that had been built about the same time as Santa Ana fought at the Alamo. They had one running water faucet in this town (La Venta) and after 9 am in the morning it did not work, so you had to get there early. I got to go into peoples' homes where they had things that we would have thrown away. I drank soft drinks out of a Zip-Loc bag because the store would not let you have the bottle (deposit). It was one of the toughest, but best weeks of my life. We saw 3000 patients in about 4 days. The dentists pulled almost 1500 teeth in 4 days. It was 95 degrees and no air conditioning, but I would do it again in a heart beat.
BMDMI is a wonderful instituion based in Mississippi. Like you said, not all Christians are bad. Not all of them are morons.

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Originally posted by teyates:
smooth,
Your son will come back with a new attitude on life. I have been on this trip before. It was heartbreaking to see people walk for 7-8 hours to see a doctor or dentist, and the only thing we had to give them was a handful of aspirin, maybe some blood pressure meds, and a little hope. They smile and laugh with you, and truly appreciate your compassion. At night there were church services and the people were so joyous and happy, it was truly awesome.
I slept on a stone floor that had been built about the same time as Santa Ana fought at the Alamo. They had one running water faucet in this town (La Venta) and after 9 am in the morning it did not work, so you had to get there early. I got to go into peoples' homes where they had things that we would have thrown away. I drank soft drinks out of a Zip-Loc bag because the store would not let you have the bottle (deposit). It was one of the toughest, but best weeks of my life. We saw 3000 patients in about 4 days. The dentists pulled almost 1500 teeth in 4 days. It was 95 degrees and no air conditioning, but I would do it again in a heart beat.
BMDMI is a wonderful instituion based in Mississippi. Like you said, not all Christians are bad. Not all of them are morons.

Thank you for your comments. I really appreciate the work done by those who have gone. I wished I could go, but I am so glad my son is going. Please be praying for him and the team leaving July 25 going to San Fransisco, Honduras.

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
It is unfortunate, but they are very rarely mentioned, but they don't do it for glory or praise. They do it in obedience to Jesus who commanded Christians to help those without.

Interesting.

My child is about to go on a mission trip with a church. One of extraordinary value (and significant expense) and will help a many people lead more comfortable lives.

My child is an atheist and suspects some other friends that are going are, also. How do you explain that, Smooth? You think your invisible friend is forcing them into service?

Smooth, of you or anyone else is doing this because they were "commanded" to do so by an invisible man, then I assert they are selfish and not moral.

On the other hand, if they are doing it out of service to their fellow man, that is well and good. It is why I serve in the many capacities I serve.

I think a true judge of character is what a man does when no one is looking.

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They have learned that life's greatest joy is found by serving others, unlike the atheist philosophy which concludes that one's only purpose is to serve one's self.

That is exactly what I mean. You do whatever you do because you think your invisible friend is watching. I do what I do even though no one is watching.

Contrary to what you might think, I am not a-religious. My religion is Humanism. It is a religious doctrine that uses science and reason as a means to discern truth. It also embraces a moral and ethical philosophy based on rational thought.

Yes, I admit to some selfishness. When I (or my child) "do for others" I do it to please the man in the mirror or my fellow man - not some invisible man who lives in the sky.

I think that if you look deep enough into yourself, you will find that we probably both do for others for the same reason - we evolved that way as a social race. It makes us feel better about ourselves. The difference is that I know that doing unto others releases endorphins in my brain that give me pleasure. You think your god blessed you.

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Originally posted by teyates:
BMDMI is a wonderful institution based in Mississippi. Like you said, not all Christians are bad. Not all of them are morons.

Doctors Without Borders is wildly successful humanist organization that fulfills the same needs.

Link

Remote Area Medical is a secular organization that provides medical service to the poor. Watch a heart-wrenching expose' by 60-minutes on the wonderful work they did up the road in Knoxville. No crucifixes or threats of eternal ****ation anywhere to be seen.

Link

Red Cross, anyone? Link Damm secularists.

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Originally posted by Cookey:

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
It is unfortunate, but they are very rarely mentioned, but they don't do it for glory or praise. They do it in obedience to Jesus who commanded Christians to help those without.

Interesting.

My child is about to go on a mission trip with a church. One of extraordinary value (and significant expense) and will help a many people lead more comfortable lives.

My child is an atheist and suspects some other friends that are going are, also. How do you explain that, Smooth? You think your invisible friend is forcing them into service?

Smooth, of you or anyone else is doing this because they were "commanded" to do so by an invisible man, then I assert they are selfish and not moral.

On the other hand, if they are doing it out of service to their fellow man, that is well and good. It is why I serve in the many capacities I serve.

I think a true judge of character is what a man does when no one is looking.

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They have learned that life's greatest joy is found by serving others, unlike the atheist philosophy which concludes that one's only purpose is to serve one's self.

That is exactly what I mean. You do whatever you do because you think your invisible friend is watching. I do what I do even though no one is watching.

Contrary to what you might think, I am not a-religious. My religion is Humanism. It is a religious doctrine that uses science and reason as a means to discern truth. It also embraces a moral and ethical philosophy based on rational thought.

Yes, I admit to some selfishness. When I (or my child) "do for others" I do it to please the man in the mirror or my fellow man - not some invisible man who lives in the sky.

I think that if you look deep enough into yourself, you will find that we probably both do for others for the same reason - we evolved that way as a social race. It makes us feel better about ourselves. The difference is that I know that doing unto others releases endorphins in my brain that give me pleasure. You think your god blessed you.

First, let me commend you for willingness to serve others and being open-minded enough to allow your child to go on a church mission trip even though he/she is an atheist.

The one thing that continues to bother me with all of your posts is that you seem to be unable to live your life without staying angry that there are people who choose to give 'an invisible man in the sky' the credit for many of the good things happening in their lives. You say you're not against Christianity, but only fundamentalism, but much of what you rant on about is contrary to that statement. Atheists such as yourself are the ones that I refer to as "completely nauseating" to listen to...I group you in the category of idiot closed-minded fundamentalists because of your constant attack on the other side.

Hopefully one of these days Christians will be able to get over the fact that not everyone is going to love and believe in their God and continue to serve Him and others with a loving spirit regardless. In the same day, one would hope we could live in a world where Atheists would stop despising Christians for drawing upon a source they don't have the capacity to understand for their joy.

Ah, one can only hope, right?

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Originally posted by Cookey:

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
It is unfortunate, but they are very rarely mentioned, but they don't do it for glory or praise. They do it in obedience to Jesus who commanded Christians to help those without.

Interesting.

My child is about to go on a mission trip with a church. One of extraordinary value (and significant expense) and will help a many people lead more comfortable lives.

My child is an atheist and suspects some other friends that are going are, also. How do you explain that, Smooth? You think your invisible friend is forcing them into service?

Smooth, of you or anyone else is doing this because they were "commanded" to do so by an invisible man, then I assert they are selfish and not moral.

On the other hand, if they are doing it out of service to their fellow man, that is well and good. It is why I serve in the many capacities I serve.

I think a true judge of character is what a man does when no one is looking.

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They have learned that life's greatest joy is found by serving others, unlike the atheist philosophy which concludes that one's only purpose is to serve one's self.

That is exactly what I mean. You do whatever you do because you think your invisible friend is watching. I do what I do even though no one is watching.

Contrary to what you might think, I am not a-religious. My religion is Humanism. It is a religious doctrine that uses science and reason as a means to discern truth. It also embraces a moral and ethical philosophy based on rational thought.

Yes, I admit to some selfishness. When I (or my child) "do for others" I do it to please the man in the mirror or my fellow man - not some invisible man who lives in the sky.

I think that if you look deep enough into yourself, you will find that we probably both do for others for the same reason - we evolved that way as a social race. It makes us feel better about ourselves. The difference is that I know that doing unto others releases endorphins in my brain that give me pleasure. You think your god blessed you.

You've got it wrong Cookey. As Christians we do what we do because we love God and want to please him, much like as I love my earthly father, I want to please him by obeying him, or as anyone who truly loves someone else wants to please that person.

No one is "forced" to service (free will is one of God's greatest gifts), and I am surprised at the way you worded that. We find great joy in obeying the commands of a righteous God.

Cookey, if you think mankind has evolved to help others, then you need to take a serious look around you. Man is a selfish evil being, and given the chance will do whatever it takes to serve himself. People on the whole without God are much worse than animals. People need laws and enforcement of them. Have you ever been in an area of the world where there was absolutely no law? You will find that people are cruel to the point you could not believe, and they worship one thing, and that is their own good pleasure. That is humanism. You believe that humans are the answer, I believe that God is. After looking at what man has done in this world, I will take my chances with God any day.

"My child is about to go on a mission trip with a church. One of extraordinary value (and significant expense) and will help a many people lead more comfortable lives."

If your child is an atheist, then why is he going with a church group? Why doesn't he go with some secular relief organization? I know if I believed like you, I would never let my child go out of the country (or wherever the child is going) with a bunch of people who put all of the faith in fairy tales. Their influence would scare me to death.

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Originally posted by Cookey:

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Originally posted by teyates:
BMDMI is a wonderful institution based in Mississippi. Like you said, not all Christians are bad. Not all of them are morons.

Doctors Without Borders is wildly successful humanist organization that fulfills the same needs.

Link

Remote Area Medical is a secular organization that provides medical service to the poor. Watch a heart-wrenching expose' by 60-minutes on the wonderful work they did up the road in Knoxville. No crucifixes or threats of eternal ****ation anywhere to be seen.

Link

Red Cross, anyone? Link Damm secularists.

Yes, those are wonderful organizations who do great work, and I do contribute to the Redcross as well as the United Way.

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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
The one thing that continues to bother me with all of your posts is that you seem to be unable to live your life without staying angry

And you seem unable to live your life without condemning others to hell for eternity. See how dumb that sounds?

Look, I generally don't take this stuff off this forum. I know I come off as a obnoxious, in-your-face, bitter atheist but that really is just a persona. A single facet of a multifaceted person.

I enjoy debate. I REALLY enjoy philosophical debate. If you know of another more suitable forum for me to engage in this kind of debate, I would certainly leave this place never to be heard from again.

Until I find that place, you'll have to put up with me. I love you guys too much to leave.

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Originally posted by Cookey:

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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
The one thing that continues to bother me with all of your posts is that you seem to be unable to live your life without staying angry

And you seem unable to live your life without condemning others to hell for eternity. See how dumb that sounds?

Look, I generally don't take this stuff off this forum. I know I come off as a obnoxious, in-your-face, bitter atheist but that really is just a persona. A single facet of a multifaceted person.

I enjoy debate. I REALLY enjoy philosophical debate. If you know of another more suitable forum for me to engage in this kind of debate, I would certainly leave this place never to be heard from again.

Until I find that place, you'll have to put up with me. I love you guys too much to leave.

Can we see any of your other glorious facets, then?

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
If your child is an atheist, then why is he going with a church group? Why doesn't he go with some secular relief organization?

If you know of one locally, I'm all ears.

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I know if I believed like you, I would never let my child go out of the country (or wherever the child is going) with a bunch of people who put all of the faith in fairy tales.

Fortunately, this is not a fundamentalist cult such as the Church of Christ. The Bloviator here would call these people "liberal Christians."

They are a fine bunch of folks who, like me, look for ways to serve their fellow man.

If I thought for an instant that these people would try to infect him with the hatred and fundamentalism that you exhibit on this forum, he would not be allowed to attend.

Cookey,
No one wants you to leave, at least not I. And I am not condemning you to hell. As I am taught from the Bible, it is not mine to judge. God is the ultimate judge. He gives the same chances to everyone, it is up to them to accept Him.
You know it might not be such a bad thing for your son to go on a mission trip with the church just for the experience alone, but what will you do if he comes back as a believer? If he does would you discourage him, and try to persuade him otherwise?

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Originally posted by teyates:
what will you do if he comes back as a believer? Wink If he does would you discourage him, and try to persuade him otherwise?

As with any interest, I would encourage him to explore his new faith to the fullest extent knowing full well that he will come back to the truth in his own way. Contrary to what you probably think, I have never asserted my disbelief upon him they way that most believers brainwash their kids into belief. He came to it the same as I -- on his own accord after a great deal of thought.

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Originally posted by Cookey:

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Originally posted by teyates:
what will you do if he comes back as a believer? Wink If he does would you discourage him, and try to persuade him otherwise?

As with any interest, I would encourage him to explore his new faith to the fullest extent knowing full well that he will come back to the truth in his own way. Contrary to what you probably think, I have never asserted my disbelief upon him they way that most believers brainwash their kids into belief. He came to it the same as I -- on his own accord after a great deal of thought.

I never meant to insinuate that you pressured him, if you took it that way, I apologize. What I meant was that with his fellowship with believers he may see or sense something he is missing. I am happy that you would encourage him, I mean look at this way, he might show you what the "truth" really is, and you might have a change of heart.
Cookey, don't sell yourself nor any believer short. Faith can and will get you thru some things that you feel like you could never do. I will be praying for your son's mission trip, and I hope he has a great time.

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Originally posted by Cookey:

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
If your child is an atheist, then why is he going with a church group? Why doesn't he go with some secular relief organization?

If you know of one locally, I'm all ears.

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I know if I believed like you, I would never let my child go out of the country (or wherever the child is going) with a bunch of people who put all of the faith in fairy tales.

Fortunately, this is not a fundamentalist cult such as the Church of Christ. The Bloviator here would call these people "liberal Christians."

They are a fine bunch of folks who, like me, look for ways to serve their fellow man.

If I thought for an instant that these people would try to infect him with the hatred and fundamentalism that you exhibit on this forum, he would not be allowed to attend.

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If you know of one locally, I'm all ears.

That's just it, there are none are there?

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If I thought for an instant that these people would try to infect him with the hatred and fundamentalism that you exhibit on this forum, he would not be allowed to attend.

Hatred and fundamentalism that I exhibit??? Aren't you the one who keeps calling me derogatory names??? Even your signature line refers to me as an "idiot" just because I don't agree with your evolutionary theories. I believe on another thread you referred to me as an "irrational hatemonger" just because I disagreed with you. Then you refer to my Church as a "fundamentalist cult". Your continuous verbal attacks belie your claims to be so moral and just. It also explains your stance on abortion. Fortunately, your attacks don't bother me, they make me feel sorry for you. You've been deceived in a most cruel way, and I really hurt for you. I absolutely do not condemn you, and I do not believe myself to be superior in any way. I love you in a way you cannot understand, and I hope and pray that someday you may enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
Your continuous verbal attacks belie your claims to be so moral and just. It also explains your stance on abortion.

This is a prime example of the blinders your fundamentalism has on you.

You have already demonstrated that you are pro-choice under certain conditions. I have alreayd demonstrated that I am anti-abortion under certain conditions. You and I simply disagree on the gray area.

Yet here you are, criticizing my stance while failing to see your own hypocrisy.

This kind of hypocrisy is why people like you give Christianity a bad name and get accused of being moronic.

Smooth, if you are an admitted Creationist -- one who believes the earth was created in its current form 6000 years ago by a omnipotent wizard -- that firmly paints you as a fundamentalist moron that is generally incapable of being reasoned with. If you don't like the label don't wear it.

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
believe on another thread you referred to me as an "irrational hatemonger" just because I disagreed with you. Then you refer to my Church as a "fundamentalist cult".

I called you neither of those, by the way.* You must have me confused with someone else.

(*but I do reserve the right to do so. What church do you go to?)

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Your continuous verbal attacks belie your claims to be so moral and just. It also explains your stance on abortion.

This is a prime example of the blinders your fundamentalism has on you.

You have already demonstrated that you are pro-choice under certain conditions. I have alreayd demonstrated that I am anti-abortion under certain conditions. You and I simply disagree on the gray area.

Yet here you are, criticizing my stance while failing to see your own hypocrisy.

This kind of hypocrisy is why people like you give Christianity a bad name and get accused of being moronic.

Smooth, if you are an admitted Creationist -- one who believes the earth was created in its current form 6000 years ago by a omnipotent wizard -- that firmly paints you as a fundamentalist moron that is generally incapable of being reasoned with. If you don't like the label don't wear it.

Cookey, Thank you for giving everyone on this forum an example of exactly what I've been saying. You claim to have the moral high ground, yet you continue with the negative words towards me and my beliefs. You claim humanism to be some great religion where you serve your fellow man (person), yet you spew hateful barbs towards anyone who doesn't see things the way you do, and to top it all off, you accuse them of being hatemongers, morons, and idiots. You have proven my points much better than I ever could have. Thanks again.

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Cookey, Thank you for giving everyone on this forum an example of exactly what I've been saying. You claim to have the moral high ground, yet you continue with the negative words towards me and my beliefs.

You really don't get it, do you. You paint your words about "repent or be dammed to hellfire and brimstone" as actually being a plea to salvation. It comes across as a threat. The philosophical gap is simply too broad. If God doesn't exist, why repent? Your paradigm is simply foreign.

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You claim humanism to be some great religion where you serve your fellow man (person), yet you spew hateful barbs towards anyone who doesn't see things the way you do...

Humanism is a philosophy, and there has to be an individual desire to serve one's fellow man.

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...and to top it all off, you accuse them of being hatemongers, morons, and idiots. You have proven my points much better than I ever could have. Thanks again.

Pot, Kettle. Kettle, Pot. Enough barbs and hatemongering going around for all. Unfortunately, it seems that christians toss the hateful barbs around in the name of love.