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Religious Morons 06/09/09

C CookeyPost Master
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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
You claim to have the moral high ground,


Guilty as charged.

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yet you continue with the negative words towards me and my beliefs.


You are a science denier. A Creationist. That relegates you to the same category of wackiness as moon landing conspiracists, flat earth society, hollow earthers and "face on Mars" conspiracy theorists.

I'm not ridiculing your bel . . . . Ok, yeah, I am. Creationism is, indeed, stupid. What makes your belief so insipid and downright evil is that your group insists on teaching their stupidity to kids in public school.

Creationism will likely be the downfall of Christianity as a whole. Young people are leaving the faith in droves while science deniers like you scratch their toothless heads and wonder what they can do to stop the hemorrhaging.

As long as you adhere to that kind of idiocy, you should not be surprised when you called a religious moron.
A AllTalk40Familiar Face
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Originally posted by Cookey:
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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
You claim to have the moral high ground,


Guilty as charged.

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yet you continue with the negative words towards me and my beliefs.


You are a science denier. A Creationist. That relegates you to the same category of wackiness as moon landing conspiracists, flat earth society, hollow earthers and "face on Mars" conspiracy theorists.

I'm not ridiculing your bel . . . . Ok, yeah, I am. Creationism is, indeed, stupid. What makes your belief so insipid and downright evil is that your group insists on teaching their stupidity to kids in public school.

Creationism will likely be the downfall of Christianity as a whole. Young people are leaving the faith in droves while science deniers like you scratch their toothless heads and wonder what they can do to stop the hemorrhaging.

As long as you adhere to that kind of idiocy, you should not be surprised when you called a religious moron.


Debating is one thing, but berating is another and you're getting out of hand, pal. I have no patience for arrogant ideologists who simply say things to possibly create "shock-value."

Since you want to focus on the mind and reasoning, how's this for reasoning: Anyone with half a brain knows that your comments such as these aren't relevant and in my mind, you completely lack credibility from this point on. Congratulations on presenting yourself as nothing more than an angry child, kicking and screaming because he's not getting his way.
Smooth operatorSmooth operatorHall of Famer
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
Cookey, Thank you for giving everyone on this forum an example of exactly what I've been saying. You claim to have the moral high ground, yet you continue with the negative words towards me and my beliefs.

You really don't get it, do you. You paint your words about "repent or be dammed to hellfire and brimstone" as actually being a plea to salvation. It comes across as a threat. The philosophical gap is simply too broad. If God doesn't exist, why repent? Your paradigm is simply foreign.
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You claim humanism to be some great religion where you serve your fellow man (person), yet you spew hateful barbs towards anyone who doesn't see things the way you do...

Humanism is a philosophy, and there has to be an individual desire to serve one's fellow man.
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...and to top it all off, you accuse them of being hatemongers, morons, and idiots. You have proven my points much better than I ever could have. Thanks again.

Pot, Kettle. Kettle, Pot. Enough barbs and hatemongering going around for all. Unfortunately, it seems that christians toss the hateful barbs around in the name of love.


No I don't get it. I haven't condemned anyone, and I have not used those words. I do believe in hell, but I don't go around preaching it, and I haven't preached on this forum, although I have mentioned repentance which I think is a good philosophy even if you are atheist.(you can skip the ask for forgiveness part since you don't believe in God)

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Humanism is a philosophy, and there has to be an individual desire to serve one's fellow man.


Cookey referred to humanism as her "religion". I simply pointed out that humanism is a belief system in which one serves their own self interest. I find it interesting that humanist people try to claim that they are so much more "enlightened", and believe they came up with the philosophy of serving one's fellow man themselves. Sorry to disappoint, but Jesus and his disciples were already preaching and teaching this over 2,000 years ago. Actually secular humanism does not teach serving one's fellow man, but simply serving one's self. I applaud humanist who wish to do so, but what they are doing is following Christian principles laid out by Jesus, and written down by his disciples. Try reading the New Testament with an open mind, and you will find Jesus taught love, forgiveness, gentleness, patients, meekness. Do you remember when Jesus washed the feet of His disciples? He was teaching humility and serving. Exactly what do you have against these teachings????

Quite frankly, I get tired of being condemned for my Christian beliefs by people who are misguided as to what Christianity is, but Jesus said that it would be this way, so I count it all joy when you, cookey, and others attack me. I will continue to give you a reason for the hope that is within me (1Peter 3:15)
Z zippadeedoodahOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
No I don't get it. I haven't condemned anyone, and I have not used those words. I do believe in hell, but I don't go around preaching it, and I haven't preached on this forum, although I have mentioned repentance which I think is a good philosophy even if you are atheist.(you can skip the ask for forgiveness part since you don't believe in God)

Ah, so quick to judge. Good thing the final vote is not yours. And belief in God is irrelevant..."even demons believe..."
Cookey will get a good chuckle; I'm not eligible for the atheist club.
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Cookey referred to humanism as her "religion". I simply pointed out that humanism is a belief system in which one serves their own self interest.

I'm curious as to the source of your definition. I often believe "Christianity" to be a belief system in which people serve their own self interest.
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I find it interesting that humanist people try to claim that they are so much more "enlightened", and believe they came up with the philosophy of serving one's fellow man themselves.

Perhaps you are simply a noob to this forum. I find "christians" almost uniformly taking the high ground because they uttered an incantation. "I say this in love," it typically goes, "but you're going to hell."
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Sorry to disappoint, but Jesus and his disciples were already preaching and teaching this over 2,000 years ago. Actually secular humanism does not teach serving one's fellow man, but simply serving one's self.
Again, you're wrong on both sides. There are selfish christians and selfish atheists. There are both noble christians and atheists. Were there no unselfish acts before Christ arrived on the scene?
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I applaud humanist who wish to do so, but what they are doing is following Christian principles laid out by Jesus, and written down by his disciples. Try reading the New Testament with an open mind, and you will find Jesus taught love, forgiveness, gentleness, patients, meekness. Do you remember when Jesus washed the feet of His disciples? He was teaching humility and serving. Exactly what do you have against these teachings????

Actually, I have nothing against these teachings; simply how some self-professed "christians" manifest them. A profession of faith and a dunking does not make one a christian. A profound change in the heart is what sets one apart. What is that change in the heart? The desire to live an extraordinary life; a life of service and sacrifice; a belief in something greater than yourself. But these are not uniquely christian traits. They live, often quietly, in the hearts of many. One would believe, as you tell it, there were never any unselfish acts of service done prior to the events in what is now Israel some 2000 years ago. That assertion is ludicrous.
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Quite frankly, I get tired of being condemned for my Christian beliefs by people who are misguided as to what Christianity is, but Jesus said that it would be this way, so I count it all joy when you, cookey, and others attack me. I will continue to give you a reason for the hope that is within me

Likely as frustrated as I get when people who believe themselves to be christians act like many on this forum tend to do.
There are two things I'd like you to consider: First, no one was ever beaten and dragged kicking and screaming into the family of God. Threats of eternal punishment are useless on someone who does not have the same belief foundation that you seem to have.
Second, your faith deserves rigorous self-examination and tough questions from time to time, lest your faith falter.
If you can't deal with an honest atheist without resorting to threats, namecalling, or losing your temper your faith is shaky, indeed. You should probably ask yourself if his (not hers, btw) questions or comments may just strike a little too close to home.
Smooth operatorSmooth operatorHall of Famer
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
No I don't get it. I haven't condemned anyone, and I have not used those words. I do believe in hell, but I don't go around preaching it, and I haven't preached on this forum, although I have mentioned repentance which I think is a good philosophy even if you are atheist.(you can skip the ask for forgiveness part since you don't believe in God)

Ah, so quick to judge. Good thing the final vote is not yours. And belief in God is irrelevant..."even demons believe..."
Cookey will get a good chuckle; I'm not eligible for the atheist club.
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Cookey referred to humanism as her "religion". I simply pointed out that humanism is a belief system in which one serves their own self interest.

I'm curious as to the source of your definition. I often believe "Christianity" to be a belief system in which people serve their own self interest.
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I find it interesting that humanist people try to claim that they are so much more "enlightened", and believe they came up with the philosophy of serving one's fellow man themselves.

Perhaps you are simply a noob to this forum. I find "christians" almost uniformly taking the high ground because they uttered an incantation. "I say this in love," it typically goes, "but you're going to hell."
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Sorry to disappoint, but Jesus and his disciples were already preaching and teaching this over 2,000 years ago. Actually secular humanism does not teach serving one's fellow man, but simply serving one's self.
Again, you're wrong on both sides. There are selfish christians and selfish atheists. There are both noble christians and atheists. Were there no unselfish acts before Christ arrived on the scene?
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I applaud humanist who wish to do so, but what they are doing is following Christian principles laid out by Jesus, and written down by his disciples. Try reading the New Testament with an open mind, and you will find Jesus taught love, forgiveness, gentleness, patients, meekness. Do you remember when Jesus washed the feet of His disciples? He was teaching humility and serving. Exactly what do you have against these teachings????

Actually, I have nothing against these teachings; simply how some self-professed "christians" manifest them. A profession of faith and a dunking does not make one a christian. A profound change in the heart is what sets one apart. What is that change in the heart? The desire to live an extraordinary life; a life of service and sacrifice; a belief in something greater than yourself. But these are not uniquely christian traits. They live, often quietly, in the hearts of many. One would believe, as you tell it, there were never any unselfish acts of service done prior to the events in what is now Israel some 2000 years ago. That assertion is ludicrous.
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Quite frankly, I get tired of being condemned for my Christian beliefs by people who are misguided as to what Christianity is, but Jesus said that it would be this way, so I count it all joy when you, cookey, and others attack me. I will continue to give you a reason for the hope that is within me

Likely as frustrated as I get when people who believe themselves to be christians act like many on this forum tend to do.
There are two things I'd like you to consider: First, no one was ever beaten and dragged kicking and screaming into the family of God. Threats of eternal punishment are useless on someone who does not have the same belief foundation that you seem to have.
Second, your faith deserves rigorous self-examination and tough questions from time to time, lest your faith falter.
If you can't deal with an honest atheist without resorting to threats, namecalling, or losing your temper your faith is shaky, indeed. You should probably ask yourself if his (not hers, btw) questions or comments may just strike a little too close to home.


Please tell me. When have I resorted to threats, name calling, or losing my temper???? I'm really confused on that one. I would also like to point out that it bothers me to no end when some Christians act in an "unChristian like" manner towards others.
C CookeyPost Master
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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
Debating is one thing, but berating is another and you're getting out of hand, pal.


AllTalk,

I've said not a single word in anger or bitterness towards you. In fact, I was enjoying our respectful little exchange.

Here is a bit of advice: If you can't handle the light exchange we have had thus far, you really should find a different place to hang. This place gets heated sometimes.
Smooth operatorSmooth operatorHall of Famer
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Originally posted by Cookey:
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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
Debating is one thing, but berating is another and you're getting out of hand, pal.


AllTalk,

I've said not a single word in anger or bitterness towards you. In fact, I was enjoying our respectful little exchange.

Here is a bit of advice: If you can't handle the light exchange we have had thus far, you really should find a different place to hang. This place gets heated sometimes.


I'll have to agree with Cookey on this one. Any time the pro-death atheist/humanist (with the exception of DF who doesn't berate, but does tend to sidestep an argument) are proven wrong, they get real testy. They just can't handle the truth, and usually resort to name calling and heated arguments that are void of any substance for lack of any intelligent response.
rramlimnnrramlimnnPost Master
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Originally posted by Cookey:
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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
If your child is an atheist, then why is he going with a church group? Why doesn't he go with some secular relief organization?


If you know of one locally, I'm all ears.

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I know if I believed like you, I would never let my child go out of the country (or wherever the child is going) with a bunch of people who put all of the faith in fairy tales.


Fortunately, this is not a fundamentalist cult such as the Church of Christ. The Bloviator here would call these people "liberal Christians."

They are a fine bunch of folks who, like me, look for ways to serve their fellow man.

If I thought for an instant that these people would try to infect him with the hatred and fundamentalism that you exhibit on this forum, he would not be allowed to attend.


....just curious Cookey...

Why the burr under your saddle for the CoC???

Are you officially our enemy???
Z zippadeedoodahOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
Please tell me. When have I resorted to threats, name calling, or losing my temper???? I'm really confused on that one. I would also like to point out that it bothers me to no end when some Christians act in an "unChristian like" manner towards others.

You collectively rather than you individually. I have not noted particularly mean-spirited things come from you.
Smooth operatorSmooth operatorHall of Famer
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
Please tell me. When have I resorted to threats, name calling, or losing my temper???? I'm really confused on that one. I would also like to point out that it bothers me to no end when some Christians act in an "unChristian like" manner towards others.

You collectively rather than you individually. I have not noted particularly mean-spirited things come from you.


Sometimes I fall to the temptation, but I try my best not too. It is really easy to fall into that trap.
Z zippadeedoodahOld Faithful
Sometimes people on this forum just type the most outrageous thing they can imagine, simply for the entertainment value. I'm pretty sure we know who they are. Some are dogmatic and so set in their ways that they have little furrows carved in their brains so they are incapable of seeing any relevance outside themselves. Again, they are known.

Some of us love a good, lively, thoughful exchange that cause us to examine our deepest beliefs carefully. Again, if your (collectively, again) most cherished belief can't even be questioned, then you have a belief problem and you need to get it checked out.

Some are christians because they have been told they are christians and tell everyone they are christians but don't know what it is to be a christian. Their faith is as fragile as rice paper. If you don't truly understand, at your deepest levels, what it is, then you will never be truly content with your beliefs.

An incantation and a dunking does NOT a christian make. It requires a complete transformation of your core beliefs and your deepest paradigms, opening you up to the possibilities of the divine, and a full understanding that God defies explanation or understanding of His true nature.
A AllTalk40Familiar Face
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Originally posted by Cookey:
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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
Debating is one thing, but berating is another and you're getting out of hand, pal.


AllTalk,

I've said not a single word in anger or bitterness towards you. In fact, I was enjoying our respectful little exchange.

Here is a bit of advice: If you can't handle the light exchange we have had thus far, you really should find a different place to hang. This place gets heated sometimes.


First of all, I don't have all day to "hang" in an online forum....I manage and own two businesses and have to do most of my "hanging" in the real world, where I can't wait for constant responses to my posts on a forum.

Secondly, I'm glad you were enjoying our respectful dialogue, but I'm not enjoying watching you resort to berating others. If you think for one second that anything you've said to me has been upsetting to me, you have another thing coming. I live in the real world, where I have real friends and real live debates and discussions that are always respectful with my fellow man. I can't help it that you spend your entire day here pitching a fit like a small spoiled child.

So my advice to you: Try...even as hard as it may be...just try to be the bigger person when one of the mindless fundamentalists tries to berate you and practice what you preach: kill them with kindness. After all, according to most of you on the forum, Atheists are the model of all things moral and kind, correct?
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A AllTalk40Familiar Face
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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
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Originally posted by Cookey:
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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
Debating is one thing, but berating is another and you're getting out of hand, pal.


AllTalk,

I've said not a single word in anger or bitterness towards you. In fact, I was enjoying our respectful little exchange.

Here is a bit of advice: If you can't handle the light exchange we have had thus far, you really should find a different place to hang. This place gets heated sometimes.


I'll have to agree with Cookey on this one. Any time the pro-death atheist/humanist (with the exception of DF who doesn't berate, but does tend to sidestep an argument) are proven wrong, they get real testy. They just can't handle the truth, and usually resort to name calling and heated arguments that are void of any substance for lack of any intelligent response.


Smooth,

Please forgive me as I don't mean this rudely, but I don't quite understand the point you were making here. Could you clarify for someone of limited mental capacity such as myself? haha
Smooth operatorSmooth operatorHall of Famer
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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
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Originally posted by Cookey:
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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
Debating is one thing, but berating is another and you're getting out of hand, pal.


AllTalk,

I've said not a single word in anger or bitterness towards you. In fact, I was enjoying our respectful little exchange.

Here is a bit of advice: If you can't handle the light exchange we have had thus far, you really should find a different place to hang. This place gets heated sometimes.


I'll have to agree with Cookey on this one. Any time the pro-death atheist/humanist (with the exception of DF who doesn't berate, but does tend to sidestep an argument) are proven wrong, they get real testy. They just can't handle the truth, and usually resort to name calling and heated arguments that are void of any substance for lack of any intelligent response.


Smooth,

Please forgive me as I don't mean this rudely, but I don't quite understand the point you were making here. Could you clarify for someone of limited mental capacity such as myself? haha


It was my attempt at sarcasm against Cookey. I very much agree with you.
C CookeyPost Master
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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
Hatred and fundamentalism that I exhibit???


Yes. Your fundamentalism has blinded you to the fact that pregnant women sometimes must make an impossible choice. You would still call a rape victim a "murderer" for aborting a monster's offspring. The same for the incest and molestation.

When you insist in these things, you exhibit a level of hatred and irrationality that I simply cannot fathom. You have an utter lack of compassion that borders on evil.

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Aren't you the one who keeps calling me derogatory names???


With regards to Creationism, yes. Again and again, if you don't like the label, don't wear it. Separate yourself from the idiots who are destroying your religion from the inside out by picking up a 3rd grade science book.
C CookeyPost Master
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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
Secondly, I'm glad you were enjoying our respectful dialogue, but I'm not enjoying watching you resort to berating others.


I think the "others" are perfectly able to take care of themselves without you appointing yourself moderator of these forums. We somehow managed just fine without you up 'till now. Wink

Again, if you care to engage in hearty debate, I welcome you. If you can't handle it, see ya.
Smooth operatorSmooth operatorHall of Famer
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Originally posted by Cookey:
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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
Secondly, I'm glad you were enjoying our respectful dialogue, but I'm not enjoying watching you resort to berating others.


I think the "others" are perfectly able to take care of themselves without you appointing yourself moderator of these forums. We somehow managed just fine without you up 'till now. Wink

Again, if you care to engage in hearty debate, I welcome you. If you can't handle it, see ya.


We're still waiting on the "debate" part. All you've done is to throw out insults. I welcome lively debate, but you don't seem to know how to state your point without resorting to insults and personal attacks. I'm really sorry for you. It's sad that you cannot defend your positions on even a 3rd grade level. Frowner
A AllTalk40Familiar Face
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Originally posted by Cookey:
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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
Hatred and fundamentalism that I exhibit???


Yes. Your fundamentalism has blinded you to the fact that pregnant women sometimes must make an impossible choice. You would still call a rape victim a "murderer" for aborting a monster's offspring. The same for the incest and molestation.

When you insist in these things, you exhibit a level of hatred and irrationality that I simply cannot fathom. You have an utter lack of compassion that borders on evil.

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Aren't you the one who keeps calling me derogatory names???


With regards to Creationism, yes. Again and again, if you don't like the label, don't wear it. Separate yourself from the idiots who are destroying your religion from the inside out by picking up a 3rd grade science book.


Cookey,

I must respectfully remind you that while you strongly disagree with Creationism, please realize that in most Christian churches, without the idea of Creationism, the entire Bible must be a lie. Most Christian believers believe the Bible in it's absolute entirety, thinking it to be the infallible word of God. It's not that they're uneducated 'morons,' it's just part of their faith that you choose not to have. Please take the high road and refrain from using derogatory names in reference to people who believe in Creationism....it will make you much more tolerable and we may actually take you seriously from that point on.
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A AllTalk40Familiar Face
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Originally posted by Cookey:
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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
Secondly, I'm glad you were enjoying our respectful dialogue, but I'm not enjoying watching you resort to berating others.


I think the "others" are perfectly able to take care of themselves without you appointing yourself moderator of these forums. We somehow managed just fine without you up 'till now. Wink

Again, if you care to engage in hearty debate, I welcome you. If you can't handle it, see ya.


It bothers you that someone who doesn't claim to be of Christian faith can actually stand up for those who do, doesn't it? You know why it bothers you? Because very much unlike you, I can be objective and appreciate both points of view. As 'enlightened' and 'rational' as you probably think you are, you have a LONG way to go before being a truly open-minded and educated person.

As far as a debate with you goes....I don't know you...I don't care to know you....you seem like the type of person who's so arrogant and spiteful that I wouldn't be able to stand five minutes around you. I'm not trying to 'moderate,' I just get sick of Christians voicing their opinions and then getting slammed and berated for doing so- especially when you as an Atheist are supposed to be in the 'moral majority.'

Everyone wants Christians to be more open-minded and free-thinking....and completely abandon everything their faith stands for. It's complete ignorance when most- and I didn't say all, but most- atheists ask this of religious people only to be so blind to every other side of the argument themselves.

But seriously....you really do impress me with your unmatched wit and intelligence, Cookey.
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C CookeyPost Master
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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
As far as a debate with you goes....I don't know you...I don't care to know you....you seem like the type of person who's so arrogant and spiteful that I wouldn't be able to stand five minutes around you


It is even worse that that, AllTalk. I am the epitome of obnoxism. A roiling furnace of hatred. If you could stand more than 3 minutes in a room with with me without committing seppuku, you are more of a man than most.
A AllTalk40Familiar Face
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Originally posted by Cookey:
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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
As far as a debate with you goes....I don't know you...I don't care to know you....you seem like the type of person who's so arrogant and spiteful that I wouldn't be able to stand five minutes around you


It is even worse that that, AllTalk. I am the epitome of obnoxism. A roiling furnace of hatred. If you could stand more than 3 minutes in a room with with me without committing seppuku, you are more of a man than most.


Dang it....I hate to admit this, but when you put it that way, we may get along just fine. haha
C CookeyPost Master
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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
I must respectfully remind you that while you strongly disagree with Creationism, please realize that in most Christian churches, without the idea of Creationism, the entire Bible must be a lie.


People used to say that about heliocentrism, you know.

This is a modern world that is saturated with science and technology. People of faith must embrace this. Sticking fingers in their ears and yelling "nah-nah-nah can't hear you!" is dangerous to their faith.

But ya know, its FINE of people wanna believe whatever they wanna believe. Really. But Creationist morons don't stop there. They are a strong political force with mountains of money and clout who want to force this stupidly upon children in a public school.

You speak as if Creationism is a victimless belief. It most certainly is not. They are attempting (and sometimes succeeding!) in redefining the Scientific Method - a method of understanding the world that brought us out of the Dark Ages 500 years ago.

Somebody's gotta fight these religious morons.
A AllTalk40Familiar Face
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Originally posted by Cookey:
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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
I must respectfully remind you that while you strongly disagree with Creationism, please realize that in most Christian churches, without the idea of Creationism, the entire Bible must be a lie.


People used to say that about heliocentrism, you know.

This is a modern world that is saturated with science and technology. People of faith must embrace this. Sticking fingers in their ears and yelling "nah-nah-nah can't hear you!" is dangerous to their faith.

But ya know, its FINE of people wanna believe whatever they wanna believe. Really. But Creationist morons don't stop there. They are a strong political force with mountains of money and clout who want to force this stupidly upon children in a public school.

You speak as if Creationism is a victimless belief. It most certainly is not. They are attempting (and sometimes succeeding!) in redefining the Scientific Method - a method of understanding the world that brought us out of the Dark Ages 500 years ago.

Somebody's gotta fight these religious morons.


I admire your enthusiasm...really, I do. Most Creationists that I know-in fact, ALL of the ones I know- simply don't want their children to be taught in school that a big hiccup happened in space and that the notion of God creating the universe is silly. I think they just want equal air-time in the classroom. I may be wrong, though....there's a first time for everything you know. Wink
Z zippadeedoodahOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Cookey:
It is even worse that that, AllTalk. I am the epitome of obnoxism. A roiling furnace of hatred. If you could stand more than 3 minutes in a room with with me without committing seppuku, you are more of a man than most.

The only reason I didn't open up my belly is because I forgot my knife. That, and the prime rib was wonderful and I didn't want it to go to waste.
Z zippadeedoodahOld Faithful
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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
I admire your enthusiasm...really, I do. Most Creationists that I know-in fact, ALL of the ones I know- simply don't want their children to be taught in school that a big hiccup happened in space and that the notion of God creating the universe is silly. I think they just want equal air-time in the classroom. I may be wrong, though....there's a first time for everything you know. Wink


Equal time? Then should not the children be taught, with equal validity and emphasis, the native american creation story? Or the egyptian? Mesopotamian? Chinese? Or is it only the Jehovah-centric christian story of creation?

Be careful trying to open that "equal time" box; it can be more dangerous than you can imagine.
D DeepFatOld Faithful
40,

Creationism is religion, and science is science. There is NO room in science class for religion. None. No equal time, no teaching the controversy, no mention of that crackpot mythology in a science class at all.

Cookey is right, it is extremely dangerous for such nonsense to be taught as possibly real in a science class. As if our kids don't suffer enough educational abuse now.

How about this? When Creationism is taught in public schools, I get to teach Evolution in Sunday School.

This is a cause well worth fighting for. There is none more noble and worthwhile.

DF
Smooth operatorSmooth operatorHall of Famer
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
40,

Creationism is religion, and science is science. There is NO room in science class for religion. None. No equal time, no teaching the controversy, no mention of that crackpot mythology in a science class at all.

Cookey is right, it is extremely dangerous for such nonsense to be taught as possibly real in a science class. As if our kids don't suffer enough educational abuse now.

How about this? When Creationism is taught in public schools, I get to teach Evolution in Sunday School.

This is a cause well worth fighting for. There is none more noble and worthwhile.

DF



There is also no room in science for theories being taught as fact. Be honest, and present evolution as a theory. I don't have a problem with that. I don't even care if you don't teach creationism, just don't teach something that is not true, and evolution is a theory not a fact. Teach it as such, and we'll get along.
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Originally posted by AllTalk40:
I admire your enthusiasm...really, I do. Most Creationists that I know-in fact, ALL of the ones I know- simply don't want their children to be taught in school that a big hiccup happened in space and that the notion of God creating the universe is silly. I think they just want equal air-time in the classroom. I may be wrong, though....there's a first time for everything you know. Wink


Equal time? Then should not the children be taught, with equal validity and emphasis, the native american creation story? Or the egyptian? Mesopotamian? Chinese? Or is it only the Jehovah-centric christian story of creation?

Be careful trying to open that "equal time" box; it can be more dangerous than you can imagine.


Be careful putting words into my mouth then, because NOWHERE did I say that I PERSONALLY felt as if it should be taught in a science class. I only said most of the believers that I know think so.

You guys are sometimes so quick to slam someone that you kick yourselves square in the @ss. Chill out, seriously....it's Friday after all.
C CookeyPost Master
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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
There is also no room in science for theories being taught as fact.


Smooth,

You keep shooting yourself in your own foot and exposing your religious morundity. The point of this thread is to expose the ignorance of people like you who are blinded by faith or

A scientific "theory" is much different from the definition of "theory" in the common vernacular. A scientific theory is a framework that describes all the FACTS.

You can education yourself, SmoothOp, so that you never make this very common mistake again. Check this out: Link

And especially this one: Link
Smooth operatorSmooth operatorHall of Famer
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Originally posted by Cookey:
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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
There is also no room in science for theories being taught as fact.


Smooth,

You keep shooting yourself in your own foot and exposing your religious morundity. The point of this thread is to expose the ignorance of people like you who are blinded by faith or

A scientific "theory" is much different from the definition of "theory" in the common vernacular. A scientific theory is a framework that describes all the FACTS.

You can education yourself, SmoothOp, so that you never make this very common mistake again. Check this out: Link

And especially this one: Link


I am curious, what is morundity??? I think it's something you made up - kinda like your argument that evolution is not a theory.

Neither of these two articles are very accurate. I suggest you find better sources. I can go to a thousand christian web sites to debunk every thing you have posted, but that would be intellectually dishonest. Hmmm. intellectual honesty is something you and fat have a real problem with don't you?
LMMLMMOld Faithful
Smooth, I would be careful insulting Cookey's and DF's intelligence.

You are becoming the hateful Christian...........................................

Scientific Law: This is a statement of fact meant to describe, in concise terms, an action or set of actions. It is generally accepted to be true and universal, and can sometimes be expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. Scientific laws are similar to mathematical postulates. They don’t really need any complex external proofs; they are accepted at face value based upon the fact that they have always been observed to be true.

Specifically, scientific laws must be simple, true, universal, and absolute. They represent the cornerstone of scientific discovery
, because if a law ever did not apply, then all science based upon that law would collapse.

Some scientific laws, or laws of nature, include the law of gravity, Newton's laws of motion, the laws of thermodynamics, Boyle's law of gases, the law of conservation of mass and energy, and Hook’s law of elasticity.

Hypothesis: This is an educated guess based upon observation. It is a rational explanation of a single event or phenomenon based upon what is observed, but which has not been proved. Most hypotheses can be supported or refuted by experimentation or continued observation.

Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.

In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.
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