Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by O No!:
Because Genisis is telling us what HAPPENED. Deuteronomy is telling the JEWS what to DO.
We don't accept your answer becasue THEY MAKE NO SENSE.
I see. So you are now a Creationist? And should the Jews continue to do as they were told by the Lord? The laws against homosexuality, adultery, murder and stealing should or should not stay and exactly what logic do you use in determining what to obey or not?
Then you say, " I have told you over and over and over again that unless one has the Holy Spirit residing within" and once again, you've got some splainin to do, You evidently must have "spiritual discernment" to understand the bible (which I THOUGHT I used to have but according to you I did not). So exactly how does one go about getting this discernment without having discernment ? As a former militant atheist yourself, i'm sure you can tell us a logical way to gain discernment when you think it is all BS, I await.
Forgive the length of the post but Scripture speaks for itself: You receive the Holy Spirit as a free gift from God at the point of your Salvation when you respond to the Holy Spirit's conviction revealing the spiritual significance of your need due to man's sin nature and understanding the significance of Jesus Christ sacrifice on the Cross being our atoning sacrifice for our sins (past/present/future).
John 14:15 (NIV)
15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command.
John 14:16 (NIV)
16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever--
John 14:17 (NIV)
17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
John 14:18 (NIV)
18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
John 14:19 (NIV)
19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.
John 14:20 (NIV)
20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
Acts 1:5 (NIV)
5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit."
Acts 8:17 (NIV)
17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
Acts 19:2 (NIV)
2 and asked them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" They answered, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."
Acts 19:3 (NIV)
3 So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?" "John's baptism," they replied.
Acts 19:4 (NIV)
4 Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
Acts 19:6 (NIV)
6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.
Romans 1:4 (NIV)
4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 8:1 (NLT)
1 So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus.
Romans 8:2 (NLT)
2 And because you belong to him, the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you from the power of sin that leads to death.
Romans 8:3 (NLT)
3 The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins.
Romans 8:4 (NLT)
4 He did this so that the just requirement of the law would be fully satisfied for us, who no longer follow our sinful nature but instead follow the Spirit.
Romans 8:5 (NLT)
5 Those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy Spirit think about things that please the Spirit.
Romans 8:6 (NLT)
6 So letting your sinful nature control your mind leads to death. But letting the Spirit control your mind leads to life and peace.
Romans 8:7 (NLT)
7 For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will.
Romans 8:8 (NLT)
8 That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God.
Romans 8:9 (NLT)
9 But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.)
Romans 8:10 (NLT)
10 And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God.
Romans 8:11 (NLT)
11 The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you.
Romans 8:12 (NLT)
12 Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, you have no obligation to do what your sinful nature urges you to do.
Romans 8:13 (NLT)
13 For if you live by its dictates, you will die. But if through the power of the Spirit you put to death the deeds of your sinful nature, you will live.
Romans 8:14 (NLT)
14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God.
1 Corinthians 2:10 (CEV)
10 God's Spirit has shown you everything. His Spirit finds out everything, even what is deep in the mind of God.
1 Corinthians 2:11 (CEV)
11 You are the only one who knows what is in your own mind, and God's Spirit is the only one who knows what is in God's mind.
1 Corinthians 2:12 (CEV)
12 But God has given us his Spirit. That's why we don't think the same way that the people of this world think. That's also why we can recognize the blessings that God has given us.
1 Corinthians 2:13 (CEV)
13 Every word we speak was taught to us by God's Spirit, not by human wisdom. And this same Spirit helps us teach spiritual things to spiritual people.
1 Corinthians 2:14 (CEV)
14 That's why only someone who has God's Spirit can understand spiritual blessings. Anyone who doesn't have God's Spirit thinks these blessings are foolish.
1 Corinthians 3:16 (NIV)
16 Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?
1 Corinthians 6:19 (NIV)
19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
2 Corinthians 3:3 (NIV)
3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
Ephesians 1:13 (NIV)
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
Ephesians 2:18 (NIV)
18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.
Ephesians 2:22 (NIV)
22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.
Ephesians 3:20 (NIV)
20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us,
Ephesians 4:30 (NIV)
30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
1 Thessalonians 4:7 (NIV)
7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
8 Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit (God the Holy Spirit) is a Gift of God the Father upon salvation (acceptance of Jesus Christ sacrifice for each of us. We are to believe and accept Christ as His sacrifice is/was the atonement for our sins. There is Water baptism to symbolize that we have been saved and identify us with Christ Jesus and as a testimony of our new life in Christ but Baptism of the Holy Spirit comes from God at the moment of our Salvation. That point comes when God the Holy Spirit opens your spiritual eyes revealing your spiritual need for salvation.