Report: Health Overhaul Will Increase Nation's Tab

ferrelljOld Faithful

I hate to say we told you so but, we told you so.

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WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law will increase the nation's health care tab instead of bringing costs down, government economic forecasters concluded Thursday in a sobering assessment of the sweeping legislation.

Surprise, surprise.

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That increase could get bigger, however, since the report also warned that Medicare cuts in the law may be unrealistic and unsustainable, forcing lawmakers to roll them back.

Not the first time we've heard this.

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The report projected that Medicare cuts could drive about 15 percent of hospitals and other institutional providers into the red, "possibly jeopardizing access" to care for seniors.

What was the term again? Death panels?

4/23/109:06 AM

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Ronnie P.Old Faithful

These are the very things people were saying before this monstrosity of a bill was signed in by this mistake we call Obama. They will NEVER EVER cut 600 billion from Medicare and if they did it would shut down at least a quarter of all hospitals.

We are in this mess in part BECAUSE of Medicare and Medicaid paying pennies on the dollar. It can and will only get worse.

4/23/1011:29 AM

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ButtercupPost Master

And no reform would have what - made costs go down? Suddenly the uninsured would stop using the ER as a first stop for diseases that have advanced due to being uninsured (and they're uninsured because of the high cost or pre-existing conditions)? The insurance companies would suddenly stop raising rates faster than inflation?

Status quo is okay for the Fox-News-loving-Tea-Party-gang I suppose.

4/23/103:52 PM

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b50mOld Faithful

You really believe a 2000+ page bill that no one can understand and that has 100's of 'to be determined' will actually save money?

The interest on the debt alone will be 800 billion in the first 10 years. Interest. Out of your pocket. With no idea of what the new health care premiums will be or what will be covered.

My primary care physician is thinking of closing his office. Thanks a bunch libs.

4/23/105:08 PM

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ButtercupPost Master

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Originally posted by btchpls50m:
You really believe a 2000+ page bill that no one can understand and that has 100's of 'to be determined' will actually save money?

The interest on the debt alone will be 800 billion in the first 10 years. Interest. Out of your pocket. With no idea of what the new health care premiums will be or what will be covered.

My primary care physician is thinking of closing his office. Thanks a bunch libs.

You really think the status quo will save money?

4/23/105:15 PM

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b50mOld Faithful

We did not need to spend a trillion to fix the status quo.

Have insurance cover pre-existing conditions, extend Medicaid up to $30,000 and extend Medicare down to age 60. Have all insurance plans offer a no frill catastrophic plan for the young and healthy for about $100.

Done deal.

4/23/105:45 PM

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midknightriderHall of Famer

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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by btchpls50m:
You really believe a 2000+ page bill that no one can understand and that has 100's of 'to be determined' will actually save money?

The interest on the debt alone will be 800 billion in the first 10 years. Interest. Out of your pocket. With no idea of what the new health care premiums will be or what will be covered.

My primary care physician is thinking of closing his office. Thanks a bunch libs.

You really think the status quo will save money?

I don't think anyone thought the "status quo" was the best we could do, but this bill is not reform...it's business as usual.

4/23/106:21 PM

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ButtercupPost Master

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Originally posted by midknightrider:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by btchpls50m:
You really believe a 2000+ page bill that no one can understand and that has 100's of 'to be determined' will actually save money?

The interest on the debt alone will be 800 billion in the first 10 years. Interest. Out of your pocket. With no idea of what the new health care premiums will be or what will be covered.

My primary care physician is thinking of closing his office. Thanks a bunch libs.

You really think the status quo will save money?

I don't think anyone thought the "status quo" was the best we could do, but this bill is not reform...it's business as usual.

And what plan did the Republicans offer all those years they were in control? That's right, not one. They know how to react to a plan and try to kill it; that's it. If it doesn't benefit Wall Street, they don't care.

4/23/107:47 PM

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tcf531Hall of Famer

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Originally posted by btchpls50m:
We did not need to spend a trillion to fix the status quo.

Have insurance cover pre-existing conditions, extend Medicaid up to $30,000 and extend Medicare down to age 60. Have all insurance plans offer a no frill catastrophic plan for the young and healthy for about $100.

Done deal.

that would bankrupt every health insurance company in the nation

4/25/102:52 PM

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elinterventor01Post Master

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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by btchpls50m:
You really believe a 2000+ page bill that no one can understand and that has 100's of 'to be determined' will actually save money?

The interest on the debt alone will be 800 billion in the first 10 years. Interest. Out of your pocket. With no idea of what the new health care premiums will be or what will be covered.

My primary care physician is thinking of closing his office. Thanks a bunch libs.

You really think the status quo will save money?

I don't think anyone thought the "status quo" was the best we could do, but this bill is not reform...it's business as usual.

And what plan did the Republicans offer all those years they were in control? That's right, not one. They know how to react to a plan and try to kill it; that's it. If it doesn't benefit Wall Street, they don't care.

The present bunch in power are Goldman Sachs cronies and you expect them to do anything to stop the trough being empty? Republicans agreed on Oxley Sarbanes, which was supposed to help control business practices. Crony capitalism is the curse of the free market. The present bill will do nothing to control Fannie and Freddie, which Bush did try to do and was shot down by the Democrats.

4/25/106:05 PM

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ferrelljOld Faithful

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Originally posted by Buttercup:
And no reform would have what - made costs go down? Suddenly the uninsured would stop using the ER as a first stop for diseases that have advanced due to being uninsured (and they're uninsured because of the high cost or pre-existing conditions)? The insurance companies would suddenly stop raising rates faster than inflation?

Status quo is okay for the Fox-News-loving-Tea-Party-gang I suppose.

And what exactly got reformed?

4/26/108:09 AM

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Mr. HooberbloobOld Faithful

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Originally posted by ferrellj:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
And no reform would have what - made costs go down? Suddenly the uninsured would stop using the ER as a first stop for diseases that have advanced due to being uninsured (and they're uninsured because of the high cost or pre-existing conditions)? The insurance companies would suddenly stop raising rates faster than inflation?

Status quo is okay for the Fox-News-loving-Tea-Party-gang I suppose.

And what exactly got reformed?

Instead of health care reformation we got health care deformation. Most libs, much like Butter, just want to see change. They don't consider the long term effects of these decisions. It's all about instant gratification. What we had before was a lot better than what we're gonna be getting, so in this instance the status quo was the way to go.

4/26/106:48 PM

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