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Bestworking posted:

How can that be?  The demoslops say all Trump voters/supporters are racists.

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WASHINGTON — A group of top Democratic Party strategists have used new data about last year’s presidential election to reach a startling conclusion about why Hillary Clinton lost. Now they just need to convince the rest of the party they’re right. Many Democrats have a shorthand explanation for Clinton’s defeat: Her base didn’t turn out, Donald Trump’s did and the difference was too much to overcome. But new information shows that Clinton had a much bigger problem with voters who had supported President Barack Obama in 2012 but backed Trump four years later. Those Obama-Trump voters effectively accounted for more than two-thirds of the reason Clinton lost, according to Matt Canter, a senior vice  president of the Democratic political firm Global Strategy Group. In his group’s analysis, about 70 percent of Clinton’s failure to reach Obama’s vote total in 2012 was because she lost these voters.

Canter and other members of Global Strategy Group have delivered a detailed report of their findings to senators, congressmen, fellow operatives and think tank wonks — all part of an effort to educate party leaders about what the data say really happened in last year’s election.

“We have to make sure we learn the right lesson from 2016, that we don’t just draw the lesson that makes us feel good at night, makes us sleep well at night,” Canter said.

His firm’s conclusion is shared broadly by other Democrats who have examined the data, including senior members of Clinton’s campaign and officials at the Democratic data and analytics firm Catalist. (The New York Times, in its own analysis, reached a similar conclusion.)

 

Each group made its assessment by analyzing voter files — reports that show who voted in every state, and matching them to existing data about the voters, including demographic information and voting history. The groups determined how people voted — in what amounts to the most comprehensive way to analyze the electorate short of a full census.

The findings are significant for a Democratic Party, at a historic low point, that’s trying to figure out how it can win back power. Much of the debate over how to proceed has centered on whether the party should try to win back working-class white voters — who make up most of the Obama-Trump voters — or focus instead on mobilizing its base.

Turning out the base is not good enough, the data suggest.

I hope they checked with jt, cause he will accuse them of being right wing and try to show them why they're wrong!

jtdavis posted:

I know his business history, and as I said, it is no different than other successful businessmen's. 

Your ignorance is showing  

So you're saying all successful businessmen paid $35 million
dollars income taxes in the year 2005.. That's the only year we
know about so that is just genus. I was sick on extrapolation day
or I would tell you about 2006.
Kraven posted:
jtdavis posted:

I know his business history, and as I said, it is no different than other successful businessmen's. 

Your ignorance is showing  

So you're saying all successful businessmen paid $35 million
dollars income taxes in the year 2005.. That's the only year we
know about so that is just genus. I was sick on extrapolation day
or I would tell you about 2006, but you already know, right..?

 

Kraven posted:
JT is going to give you the answer I gave him, he always gives
me the same answer you give him. He's been in this pattern for
a while now.
I think it's a type of fourth grade, gotcha last BS. I guess it was
funny back in the forties.  

Jt just can't get anything going. He thought hilliary was going to win, and he'd be able to strut around like a little "banty" rooster. LOL! Now he is left to distract and try to disrupt any thread he can. Trump's "bankruptcies". Who cares!! They pale in comparison to hilliary's incompetence getting people killed.

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jtdavis posted:

Y'all don't want to admit and are afraid to research because you know what you will find about Trumps failures. Go ahead and insult me, the ones who actually do some research knows how stupid y'all are.

What part of his history, business or personal, have the Democrats not put out there? They've even gone back to a remark he made over a decade ago in an attempt to paint him as a lecher, all the while knowing what a pervert and lecher Bill is, and Hillary too. So what's there to be afraid of finding? What have you found in your research (ha!) that we should know? Besides, all your yapping and trying to deflect from the subject doesn't change the fact that Obama voters voted for Trump.

jtdavis posted:

Y'all don't want to admit and are afraid to research because you know what you will find about Trumps failures. Go ahead and insult me, the ones who actually do some research knows how stupid y'all are.

You're the only one here without a clue as to how research
is done, and yes, google has been around longer than two weeks.
 
No one has chance to insult you as long you insult yourself
every time you open your self insulting kissazz hole...  

 

jtdavis posted:

Y'all don't want to admit and are afraid to research because you know what you will find about Trumps failures. Go ahead and insult me, the ones who actually do some research knows how stupid y'all are.

I really hope you will answer at least one question, and that is the one Gifted asked you. Just what are we afraid of? The slops have said everything possible about him, even made up things. We know about his Chapter 11s and why he used them, we know other successful businesses and successful businessmen have done it, so just what are we afraid we're going to find? You consider them failures, we don't. If you want to list failures we can do that, and have a field day listing hilliary's and other slops.

jtdavis posted:

Not a one of you has attempted to refute my claim about Trumps businesses  failures. All you have done is to insult and degrade me. Are you ashamed to admit that a con man took you in hook line and sinker. Y'all are good on insults and way  short on facts, except for "alternative" facts.

Is that the way you feel about fellow blue collar workers who elected Trump?  The ones who handed him the traditionally Democrat "Rust Belt States."  You think they were conned?  Think they're ashamed?

 

jtdavis posted:

Not a one of you has attempted to refute my claim about Trumps businesses  failures. All you have done is to insult and degrade me. Are you ashamed to admit that a con man took you in hook line and sinker. Y'all are good on insults and way  short on facts, except for "alternative" facts.

Are you brain damaged? What is there to refute? How many ways can I say that EVERYONE knows about Trump's business dealings, including his Chapter 11s. You don't mind trying to insult and degrade us, so put on your "big girl panties" and take it when you get it pushed back in your face. What "facts" are we missing? How did he "take" us? He never got a dime out of me, but I bet you sent your money to hilliary, so just who got taken? You know, that's real funny, seeing as how you voted for the biggest corrupt, criminal, con women the world has ever seen. One problem you have is you have NO idea about the different bankruptcies and how they work. You have no idea how business works. All you can worry about is a CEO might make some big bucks. Fact, Trump used Chapter 11s. So what? What does that have to do with the obama voters that voted for Trump??

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jtdavis posted:

Not a one of you has attempted to refute my claim about Trumps businesses  failures. All you have done is to insult and degrade me. Are you ashamed to admit that a con man took you in hook line and sinker. Y'all are good on insults and way  short on facts, except for "alternative" facts.

Why don't you shut the hell up with your mindless, senseless
meaningless waste of time adolescent BS.
 
You don't have a claim, if you did it was **** canned long
ago when it died on the vine.
Naio posted:

I'd like to know why any blue collar worker thinks that Trump would put the interests of blue collar workers, the elderly, and the poor over the interests of other businessmen/CEO'S and himself?  

I'd like to know why any blue collar worker thinks you know
what you're talking about, you sure as hell don't listen to him.
 
I, like the blue collar people,  personally don't care as long as
it Ain't the illegal felon bambo or the murdering idiot hilda
and the narrowly avoided take over of the alinsky, arab,  
soros, Clinton thugs. But then I know it's never occurred
to you.

 

jtdavis posted:

Is that the way you feel about fellow blue collar workers who elected Trump?  

Bud, I'm speaking to the ones on this forum that criticize and slur any view other than theirs.

That would be YOU jt. You can't stand to be told the facts and that's why you have to sh** in the floor of every thread you don't like to divert attention from the subject.

Kraven posted:
Naio posted:

I'd like to know why any blue collar worker thinks that Trump would put the interests of blue collar workers, the elderly, and the poor over the interests of other businessmen/CEO'S and himself?  

I'd like to know why any blue collar worker thinks you know
what you're talking about, you sure as hell don't listen to him.
 
I, like the blue collar people,  personally don't care as long as
it Ain't the illegal felon bambo or the murdering idiot hilda
and the narrowly avoided take over of the alinsky, arab,  
soros, Clinton thugs. But then I know it's never occurred
to you.

 

Calm down, scrappy doo.  It was just a simple question. I thought the liberals were supposed to be the emotional ones?  I, like the blue collar people, get up and go to work everyday, try to live my life the best way I can, and control the things I can control.    I don't like much of what Trump says but I do listen.  Who the president is doesn't really matter to me.  I judge them all by words and actions.

Again...You're not slick....you made yourself the spokesman for all blue collar workers first.  I was trolling you're statement.  All of that aside, why do you as a blue collar worker think that Trump would put the interests of blue collar workers over the interests of other businessmen/CEO'S and himself?

Naio posted:

I'd like to know why any blue collar worker thinks that Trump would put the interests of blue collar workers, the elderly, and the poor over the interests of other businessmen/CEO'S and himself?  

Blue collar workers [that I know of] would hope that the POTUS would balance their interest along with businessmen, etc, not put their interest over them.  For too long the blue collar workers & middle class have been taken advantage of footing the bill for those liberal groups who want to do just that - their interest over all others - including the justice system.  Can't have their way,  they riot, burn and loot from those who they claim to represent.  When was the last time you heard of blue collar workers rioting, burning down their neighborhoods, and stealing from their businesses - for the purpose of putting their interest above all?  Shear nonsense.

Nossiree.  Putting ones selfish interest over others is the liberal way.  Blue collar workers just to pay their fair share of taxes, do their jobs, support their families, educate their children, and be left the hell alone without governmental interference.

 

Naio posted:

Again...You're not slick....you made yourself the spokesman for all blue collar workers first.  I was trolling you're statement.  All of that aside, why do you as a blue collar worker think that Trump would put the interests of blue collar workers over the interests of other businessmen/CEO'S and himself?

All of that's aside.......  What is it with you and slick..??

I bet you are really JT.

For too long the blue collar workers & middle class have been taken advantage of footing the bill for those liberal groups 

Bud, there may be some truth in that, but the group that has really taken advantage of the middle class is the upper one percent that has seen enormous pay increases while the middle class has stagnated. Don't get me wrong, a good CEO is a valuable thing, but I don't think he should get 50 million per year while his full time workers are eligible for welfare. 

jtdavis posted:

For too long the blue collar workers & middle class have been taken advantage of footing the bill for those liberal groups 

Bud, there may be some truth in that, but the group that has really taken advantage of the middle class is the upper one percent that has seen enormous pay increases while the middle class has stagnated. Don't get me wrong, a good CEO is a valuable thing, but I don't think he should get 50 million per year while his full time workers are eligible for welfare. 

But Hillary and other Dems can get 50 mil or more a year for doing nothing except being corrupt and that's fine with you. It's none of your business what others with legitimate jobs make. You were over paid while others had to survive on welfare, but you wouldn't give up a dime to help them.

jtdavis posted:

For too long the blue collar workers & middle class have been taken advantage of footing the bill for those liberal groups 

Bud, there may be some truth in that, but the group that has really taken advantage of the middle class is the upper one percent that has seen enormous pay increases while the middle class has stagnated. Don't get me wrong, a good CEO is a valuable thing, but I don't think he should get 50 million per year while his full time workers are eligible for welfare. 

Circle talk, JT.

Your beliefs, opinions stand in direct contrast to the very folks who voted Trump in.  The middle class, blue collar voter - the ones you say you side with, but obviously do not.

This isn't a slave state.  No one forces you to work for any man.  If the wages you are making makes you eligible for welfare, find another job.  Or two.  The responsibility for providing financial support for you and your family isn't the responsibility of some CEO and it dam sure should not be the government.  If you are able bodied, the responsibility is YOURS!

 

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jtdavis posted:

Is that the way you feel about fellow blue collar workers who elected Trump?  

Bud, I'm speaking to the ones on this forum that criticize and slur any view other than theirs.

Then you should speak directly to criticism and slurring if that's your beef.

Conning has nothing to do with it unless you think all Trump voters were conned.

Circle talk, JT.

Your beliefs, opinions stand in direct contrast to the very folks who voted Trump in.  The middle class, blue collar voter - the ones you say you side with, but obviously do not.

This isn't a slave state.  No one forces you to work for any man.  If the wages you are making makes you eligible for welfare, find another job.  Or two.  The responsibility for providing financial support for you and your family isn't the responsibility of some CEO and it dam sure should not be the government.  If you are able bodied, the responsibility is YOURS!

How do you  think my views are in contrast to the blue collar voters? I am 100% blue collar. At one time I made minimum ($1.45) wage running a chainsaw. I got more education and skills and made more. If you are hunting a job without a skill, you are at the mercy of the CEO. 

 

jtdavis posted:

Circle talk, JT.

Your beliefs, opinions stand in direct contrast to the very folks who voted Trump in.  The middle class, blue collar voter - the ones you say you side with, but obviously do not.

This isn't a slave state.  No one forces you to work for any man.  If the wages you are making makes you eligible for welfare, find another job.  Or two.  The responsibility for providing financial support for you and your family isn't the responsibility of some CEO and it dam sure should not be the government.  If you are able bodied, the responsibility is YOURS!

How do you  think my views are in contrast to the blue collar voters? I am 100% blue collar. At one time I made minimum ($1.45) wage running a chainsaw. I got more education and skills and made more. If you are hunting a job without a skill, you are at the mercy of the CEO. 

Pay rate, JT not mercy.  Your going to get paid what you're worth.  Don't like it, move on.  You're an no man's mercy unless you like it there.  Like you said - get some education, learn a skill.

How do you  think my views are in contrast to the blue collar voters? I am 100% blue collar  Simple, you continue to vote straight line Yellow Dog Democrat although you profess the Party of Hillary is more about LGBT and minimum wag than improving the blue collar / union workers situation.  Lock step, this election you did the same ol, same ol.

When the writing was on the wall every night the news reported on the Rust Belt States

Blue collar / union workers in the Rust Belt State who traditionally held to those beliefs trashed that sort of thinking past election and voted for what was in their best interest - the creation of jobs.  And they did this to your face but you didn't realize then what was happening nor realize now what is happening.  Don't feel bad.  Hillary never saw it coming either

JT, I don't think Democrats and you in particular, realize the impact and the impact to come of the Democrats losing control of the Rust Belt States" blue collar and union workers.  That is providing the Republicans can produce jobs.  Good paying jobs.

Bottom line JT, the contrast between you and blue collar workers was / is you don't vote in their best interest nor do you write in their best interest.  The world has moved on without you.

 

 

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