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How can that be?  The demoslops say all Trump voters/supporters are racists.

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WASHINGTON — A group of top Democratic Party strategists have used new data about last year’s presidential election to reach a startling conclusion about why Hillary Clinton lost. Now they just need to convince the rest of the party they’re right. Many Democrats have a shorthand explanation for Clinton’s defeat: Her base didn’t turn out, Donald Trump’s did and the difference was too much to overcome. But new information shows that Clinton had a much bigger problem with voters who had supported President Barack Obama in 2012 but backed Trump four years later. Those Obama-Trump voters effectively accounted for more than two-thirds of the reason Clinton lost, according to Matt Canter, a senior vice  president of the Democratic political firm Global Strategy Group. In his group’s analysis, about 70 percent of Clinton’s failure to reach Obama’s vote total in 2012 was because she lost these voters.

Canter and other members of Global Strategy Group have delivered a detailed report of their findings to senators, congressmen, fellow operatives and think tank wonks — all part of an effort to educate party leaders about what the data say really happened in last year’s election.

“We have to make sure we learn the right lesson from 2016, that we don’t just draw the lesson that makes us feel good at night, makes us sleep well at night,” Canter said.

His firm’s conclusion is shared broadly by other Democrats who have examined the data, including senior members of Clinton’s campaign and officials at the Democratic data and analytics firm Catalist. (The New York Times, in its own analysis, reached a similar conclusion.)

 

Each group made its assessment by analyzing voter files — reports that show who voted in every state, and matching them to existing data about the voters, including demographic information and voting history. The groups determined how people voted — in what amounts to the most comprehensive way to analyze the electorate short of a full census.

The findings are significant for a Democratic Party, at a historic low point, that’s trying to figure out how it can win back power. Much of the debate over how to proceed has centered on whether the party should try to win back working-class white voters — who make up most of the Obama-Trump voters — or focus instead on mobilizing its base.

Turning out the base is not good enough, the data suggest.

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I think I posted on this after I heard her concession speech. She vigorously  campaigned for the LBGT votes and the minimum wage votes. She never asked for the middle class blue collar vote. I didn't , but a lot did vote for Trump. The middle class blue collar is the girl you took to the dance, and you gotta dance with her sometime instead of that girl on the sidelines.

All these excuses why it lost by just about every talking head
out there is only to hide the fact that the loss came by way
of Barry, all those votes for Trump were from fear of another
term for Obama by way of the beast as she said she would
continue status quo. The exit polls verified that and only that
and nothing else. The majority of America didn't want a
socialist country ran by Islamic insane heretics.
Today, the idiot liberals are still fighting for that destruction  
they so stupidly deserve.
jtdavis posted:

She got their votes and yours.

Yep, but for me Trump was not the answer

 

The only answer you want is someone is going to give you something. You don't care how you get it or who else suffers because of it. IF the Democrats are ever the answer, the question must be "who hates our country and is working for her ruin and total destruction"?

The only answer you want is someone is going to give you something. You don't care how you get it or who else suffers because of it. IF the Democrats are ever the answer, the question must be "who hates our country and is working for her ruin and total destruction?

What have you done for your country??? What has someone given me. You keep posting about what I am being given, what is it.

 

jtdavis posted:

She got their votes and yours.

Yep, but for me Trump was not the answer

 

You don't know any of the answers because you have no
questions to be answered. As long as you have a Democrat to
vote for, you're happy, as any other mindless uninformed danger
to this country. I'm not saying you're stupid, just saying stupid is
a clear and present danger.
The one thing I haven't heard yet is why the person who voted
for Hilda would give a reason as to why,, any one have a why.??
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She wasn't the one who bankrupted many  times. She wasn't the one who insulted the opposite sex (remember what he grabbed). She wasn't the one who acted like a elementary school bully at the debates. She wasn't the one praising Putin. She wasn't the one who was found to be wrong and lying so many times. She didn't start every sentence with"lock him up". She is the one who worries about CEO and corporate greed. 

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jtdavis posted:

She wasn't the one who bankrupted many  times. She wasn't the one who insulted the opposite sex (remember what he grabbed). She wasn't the one who acted like a elementary school bully at the debates. She wasn't the one praising Putin. She wasn't the one who was found to be wrong and lying so many times. She didn't start every sentence with"lock him up". She is the one who worries about CEO and corporate greed. 

She vigorously  campaigned for the LBGT votes and the minimum wage votes. She never asked for the middle class blue collar vote. - jtdavis

And.  She lost.

 

jtdavis posted:

She wasn't the one who bankrupted many  times. She wasn't the one who insulted the opposite sex (remember what he grabbed). She wasn't the one who acted like a elementary school bully at the debates. She wasn't the one praising Putin. She wasn't the one who was found to be wrong and lying so many times. She didn't start every sentence with"lock him up". She is the one who worries about CEO and corporate greed. 

Of over 2000 business ventures, Trump went bankrupt four times.  Hillary ran one private enterprise and bankrupted it.  Suggest studying the history of many of those who made fortunes.  Many lost and made fortunes several times.

jtdavis posted:

She wasn't the one who bankrupted many  times. She wasn't the one who insulted the opposite sex (remember what he grabbed). She wasn't the one who acted like a elementary school bully at the debates. She wasn't the one praising Putin. She wasn't the one who was found to be wrong and lying so many times. She didn't start every sentence with"lock him up". She is the one who worries about CEO and corporate greed. 

She is the one married to a sexual predator/rapist/phillanderer, and the one that had a baby by another man outside her marriage. Bill has done a lot more than "grab a *****", and old Web Hubbell did more than just grab Hillary's *****. She or you never minded before. Add to that all the money she took from misogynist countries while pretending to be the champion of women and children, yet laughed about getting a child rapist out of trouble, and she is friends with the convicted pedophile Epstein. So is Bill, and many times he flew to the island where the molestion took place. What did he do there? She has nothing but disgust for women. She especially hates the women Bill has sexually harassed and raped. So take your faux goody two shoes outrage somewhere else.

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jtdavis posted:

She wasn't the one who bankrupted many  times. She wasn't the one who insulted the opposite sex (remember what he grabbed). She wasn't the one who acted like a elementary school bully at the debates. She wasn't the one praising Putin. She wasn't the one who was found to be wrong and lying so many times. She didn't start every sentence with"lock him up". She is the one who worries about CEO and corporate greed. 

If you let her tell it she's been broke a few times. Why is she worried about CEO and corporate greed when she makes MILLIONS for doing nothing? Greed? That bytch invented greed. She absolutely IS the one caught lying "so many times", and even her own supporters say her propensity for lying is problem. Why should she say "lock him up"? Trump, unlike her, did nothing that warranted his being locked up. As for the ***** grabbing remark, Gifted pretty much covered that and shows why it is so ridiculous of the left to even dare mention it, and I bet you and your union pals said things worse than that about women. Too, you want to forget demoslops that didn't vote for her because they didn't like the names she called Trump supporters. Oh she "apologized" for her deplorables remark, but it was too late, and insincere. The bytch feels entitled and considers anyone that doesn't fawn and slobber over her a "deplorable", and even considers most that do kiss her butt beneath her. She'd have nothing but contempt for you.

Jt, you voted for edwards and kerry. Both filthy rich, both known liars. Yet you have the nerve to say Trump lies. Edwards knocked up his mistress while his wife, dying of cancer, still campaigned for him. There never lived a bigger racist/divider/liar than obama. Yet you pretend Trump's remarks upset you. You are a hypocrite of the highest order but will whine about someone "attacking you". Posting facts and hard core truths about the demoslops and the destruction you are bringing to this country is, in your mind, "attacking" you.

Prove me wrong,

The reason hilda lost started, when she campaigned as if
barry was running again. 500% more muslims, continuing
the ACA catastrophe, recruiting all S. American illegals that
would come to the USA for free room, board and money.
He was placing  many of these people in Medicaid, just
another sure way to crush this country. She was hell bent
on keeping things just the way barry treasonously changed
the Country.
 
All these excuses she makes or are made for her to hide
behind mean nothing, they would've voted for her anyway.
 
Until they knew she'll change nothing and destroy their lives. 

Chapter 11 - Bankruptcy Basics

This chapter of the Bankruptcy Code generally provides for reorganization, usually involving a corporation or partnership. A chapter 11 debtor usually proposes a plan of reorganization to keep its business alive and pay creditors over time. People in business or individuals can also seek relief in chapter 11.

http://www.uscourts.gov/servic...11-bankruptcy-basics

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Have you ever read about even one bankrupcy Trump had? Show a link to them.  

                          Politifact                                                                                             #1  The Trump Taj Mahal  1992                                                                                #2  The Trump Castle     1992                                                                                     #3  Trump Plaza and Casino  1992                                                                          #4  Plaza Hotel 1992                                                                                                   #5  Trumps Hotel and Casino Resorts  2004                                                         #6   Trump Entertainment Resorts  2009

Hows this?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

jtdavis posted:

Have you ever read about even one bankrupcy Trump had? Show a link to them.  

                          Politifact                                                                                             #1  The Trump Taj Mahal  1992                                                                                #2  The Trump Castle     1992                                                                                     #3  Trump Plaza and Casino  1992                                                                          #4  Plaza Hotel 1992                                                                                                   #5  Trumps Hotel and Casino Resorts  2004                                                         #6   Trump Entertainment Resorts  2009

Hows this?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

How's this?  President of the United States of America.

You know Hillary doesn't give a dam about you, don't you.

 

JT you remind me a idiot dog, still barking at a car that passed
by an hour ago, and no one gives a dam except the idiot dog.
 
Poor mutt doesn't realize it makes absolutely zero difference
on a level playing field when it has zero affect on the subject
being discussed.
 
Hilda still lost because she is no different than the muslim
Obama hijacking of America, for the safety of the other guy.
And that's it in a nut shell.
 
How's this? don't mean ****    
 
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jtdavis posted:

Have you ever read about even one bankrupcy Trump had? Show a link to them.  

                          Politifact                                                                                             #1  The Trump Taj Mahal  1992                                                                                #2  The Trump Castle     1992                                                                                     #3  Trump Plaza and Casino  1992                                                                          #4  Plaza Hotel 1992                                                                                                   #5  Trumps Hotel and Casino Resorts  2004                                                         #6   Trump Entertainment Resorts  2009

Hows this?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

Weak. Where is your link? You  made claims, now back them up.

Jt, you have no idea how big business works. You have no idea about bankruptcies, the different kinds, the reasons businesses take them, the reason businessmen take them. Hilliary relies on the fact that her supporters are ignorant of the facts of big business, and other things, and it gives her carte blanche to make claims that are not true and based on twisted "facts". If you'd ever bother to do the least bit of research you'd find Trump did nothing out of the ordinary, nothing that is not done everyday by businessmen. Hilliary is so out of Trump's league she can only snipe and make remarks laced with half truths and outright lies. Trump earns his money, while special interests and foreign countries buy demoslops and give hilliary and bill their money.

Last edited by Bestworking

According to Trump:

 

"I have used the laws of this country ... the [bankruptcy] chapter laws, to do a great job for my company, for myself, for my employees, for my family," he said during the first Republican presidential debate on August 6.

Per Politifact, Snopes, Quora, The Law Dictionary and Washington Post, Trump owned corporations have filed bankruptcy six times and he had eleven failures that didn't result in bankruptcy.  Another thing, you all should check his business history. Just how many successes has he had and how many did his father cause to succeed. Check who really lost in the bankruptcies.  Do some research on something other than right wing face book posts.

jtdavis posted:

According to Trump:

 

"I have used the laws of this country ... the [bankruptcy] chapter laws, to do a great job for my company, for myself, for my employees, for my family," he said during the first Republican presidential debate on August 6.

Per Politifact, Snopes, Quora, The Law Dictionary and Washington Post, Trump owned corporations have filed bankruptcy six times and he had eleven failures that didn't result in bankruptcy.  Another thing, you all should check his business history. Just how many successes has he had and how many did his father cause to succeed. Check who really lost in the bankruptcies.  Do some research on something other than right wing face book posts.

You're wrong, but the question is, what are you going to do
about it if people would pretend you're right..??
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Kraven, Gifted and Best you three have your nose so far up Trumps azz that you wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the butt.
 
Well JT, you have your entire freaking face up Pelosi's so long  
and so deep you grew ****. Is that why you always have Trump's
azz on your mind..?? 
jtdavis posted:

Kraven, Gifted and Best you three have your nose so far up Trumps azz that you wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the butt.

 Look whose smelly azzes YOU are licking. You have no facts, you never have had a fact. You're just a typical liberal dunce, no one is supposed to have an opinion, or tell you anything that doesn't suit your uninformed ideas. You just want to remain ignorant, and heaven forbid you actually learn something.

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jtdavis posted:

According to Trump:

 

"I have used the laws of this country ... the [bankruptcy] chapter laws, to do a great job for my company, for myself, for my employees, for my family," he said during the first Republican presidential debate on August 6.

Per Politifact, Snopes, Quora, The Law Dictionary and Washington Post, Trump owned corporations have filed bankruptcy six times and he had eleven failures that didn't result in bankruptcy.  Another thing, you all should check his business history. Just how many successes has he had and how many did his father cause to succeed. Check who really lost in the bankruptcies.  Do some research on something other than right wing face book posts.

What right wing face book posts? I've noticed you are obsessed with face book, and seem to know what goes on there. I don't "do" face book but obviously that is how you fritter away your time, scouring the pages and soaking up all the left wing blather on there. The things I post come from sites available to everyone, with general information on them. If I find a site that explains math, and I posted it said 2+2=4, you'd argue it came from a "right wing site". Going by your way of thinking I can call the sites you listed, sans links, left wing face book posts. I know his business history, and as I said, it is no different than other successful businessmen's. The "bankruptcies" you keep harping about were Chapter 11, and again, if you weren't so rock headed stupid you'd know the difference in a Chapter 11 and a bankruptcy you have to take because your old lady went nuts with the credit cards.

Last edited by Bestworking
jtdavis posted:

Kraven, Gifted and Best you three have your nose so far up Trumps azz that you wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the butt.

I think it's very obvious that I have never at anytime had my nose up Trump's or anyone else's azz. I've never seen Gifted or Kraven post anything that would suggest they have either. You are just a little toady azz kisser for the demoslops, and frankly almost too stupid to breathe. 

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