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Reporters Swarm on Alabama in Pursuit of 'AWOL' Story
by E&P Staff

NEW YORK Newspaper and wire service reporters from around the country are swarming around Montgomery, Ala. -- until this week perhaps best known as the home of country music legend Hank Williams -- in search of anyone who can remember President Bush serving time as a National Guardsman at the local air base in 1972. For the most part, they have come up empty so far.

The New York Times, for example, has tracked down 16 retired personnel who served at the based in 1972 and none could recall seeing Bush.

Closer to home, Alabama papers have apparently done relatively little digging at and around Dannelly Air Base, a compound located next to Montgomery's airport and home to the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group, judging from the scant reports on their online archives.

The Birmingham News did find retired Lt. Col. Reese Bricken, former commander of the 9921st Air Reserve Squadron, who lives in Montgomery. "He never did come to my squad," Bricken said, referring to Bush, in an article published Thursday. "He was never at my unit." After reviewing documents provided by the paper, Bricken added, "He was looking for a place to hang his hat, but he never came by."

The paper also spoke to retired General William Turnipseed, who remains a well-known figure due to his role in the groundbreaking story on this subject by Walter Robinson in The Boston Globe in 2000. Turnipseed told the Birmingham News that he still doesn't remember Bush "showing up" and that former unit members who have contacted him couldn't remember Bush either.

Turnipseed said he remains a Bush supporter and complained, "I'm fed up. People want me to give them something to bash Bush."

The paper, however, did find one person who met Bush back then. Joe LeFevers, a member of the 187th in 1972, said he remembers seeing Bush in unit offices, and being told he was in Montogmery to work on an election campaign.

Local sentiment in conservative Alabama may be against much journalistic probing. A reader's comment in The Huntsville Times held that "George Bush was never AWOL" and simply missed one meeting and made it up. "He has done nothing wrong," the reader continued. "Stop your whining!"

The Associated Press also tracked down several members of the Guard unit but they said in interviews they didn't remember ever seeing Bush at the base. "All were quick to point out that it was a large unit with up to 800 members and Bush was not a celebrity then," the AP reported.

An editorial in USA Today argued that this "persistent digging isn't irrelevant" but the details of what the candidates for President "did to cope with an unpopular war 30 years ago is less important than their vision and insight today."


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Ya know, the fact of the matter is HE WASN'T THERE. If he'd been there, there would have been SOMEONE in the past 8 years who would have spoken out and said, "Oh yeah, I remember him being in my squadron, we used to go drinkin every night" or something. It's the military fercrissake, there's got to be a lot of neocons who would love to "prove" that he was there.

But the point is, obviously the American people could care less whether their commander-in-chief went AWOL. His term is almost over (Praise Holy God), and he doesn't have to run for re-election. It's old news. I doubt that even the 20-some-odd percent of Americans who still support him would care if he came out and flat-out admitted it. The only people still supporting him are the few who are so scared of gays that Bush's anti-gay agenda has made them feel safe from the biggest threat facing our country (gay marriage). And the other 70-plus percent of the American people are just so sick of him that they flat out don't care, they just want him gone.
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Originally posted by Blue Hornet:
Ya know, the fact of the matter is HE WASN'T THERE. If he'd been there, there would have been SOMEONE in the past 8 years who would have spoken out and said, "Oh yeah, I remember him being in my squadron, we used to go drinkin every night" or something. It's the military fercrissake, there's got to be a lot of neocons who would love to "prove" that he was there.

But the point is, obviously the American people could care less whether their commander-in-chief went AWOL. His term is almost over (Praise Holy God), and he doesn't have to run for re-election. It's old news. I doubt that even the 20-some-odd percent of Americans who still support him would care if he came out and flat-out admitted it. The only people still supporting him are the few who are so scared of gays that Bush's anti-gay agenda has made them feel safe from the biggest threat facing our country (gay marriage). And the other 70-plus percent of the American people are just so sick of him that they flat out don't care, they just want him gone.



And they may be a few who didn't like Bush started a war without a cause. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 as some Bush fans think.
What really Pizzes me off is the hyprocracy of Bush and his backers. In truth, it is hard to falt anyone for doing whatever they had to do to escape Vietnam. Those were dark days!
The real problem I have is the way the people who actually went over there, fought and got injured are treated by the Bush machine. Take Max Cleland of Ga for instance. Left 3 of his 4 limbs in Vietnam, and that sorry bunch had the nerve to label him "unpatriotic" because he did not support a bill to waste millions on some military bill. In addition, the way John Kerry was slandered in the last campaign is just shameful. Whether you liked his policies or not, that man volunteered to go fight in Vietnam, do 2 tours , got wounded, and showed bravery in the face of the enemy under fire. Once he got out of the military, he exercised his right to free speech to denounce the war which, by now we all know, was a farce. It took a slimey bunch to discredit his service.
Old man Bush wasn't any better than his son to use Vietnam vets as pawns, but that's another story.
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Originally posted by excelman:
What really Pizzes me off is the hyprocracy of Bush and his backers. In truth, it is hard to falt anyone for doing whatever they had to do to escape Vietnam. Those were dark days!
The real problem I have is the way the people who actually went over there, fought and got injured are treated by the Bush machine. Take Max Cleland of Ga for instance. Left 3 of his 4 limbs in Vietnam, and that sorry bunch had the nerve to label him "unpatriotic" because he did not support a bill to waste millions on some military bill. In addition, the way John Kerry was slandered in the last campaign is just shameful. Whether you liked his policies or not, that man volunteered to go fight in Vietnam, do 2 tours , got wounded, and showed bravery in the face of the enemy under fire. Once he got out of the military, he exercised his right to free speech to denounce the war which, by now we all know, was a farce. It took a slimey bunch to discredit his service.
Old man Bush wasn't any better than his son to use Vietnam vets as pawns, but that's another story.


excelman, Well Said!!! I like the way you say it!
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Originally posted by skymaster:
PBA, Blue Hornet, and excelman needs to get in the same room and have a good old time. You all believe the same silly crap.




skymaster, Why don't you join me Blue Hornet, and excelman in that same room? We could really open your eyes. It would take 6 weeks to clear your mind from the BS you have in your brain from the Number one BS fox news channel.
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Does any thing piss you off about Bill Clinton being a draft dodger, war protestor and criminal? George Bush was not AWOL and was not a draft dodger. You need to go join Dan Rather in the old folks home.


Bill Clinton is a conservatives week point, use by conservatives when they can't come up with any other answers. Conservatives, please note, That Bill Clinton is no longer president, and is no longer a issue. Its your King George that we are talking about.
PBA, it's King George II.
See, I believe that the Iraq thing was just a cover for Bush's inability to get Bin Laden. He just cannot get him no matter what he tries. After Bin Laden made the threat to King George I, then little King had a revenge motive. It was never about WMD. He just wanted to divert attention from his failed attempt at Bin Laden. By the way, is skymaster in the shrinking 20% who still support the Bushy Bunch?
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Originally posted by paw-paw:
Skymaster, Until you have spent a few months in the jungle of a little country in southeast Asia, don't point too many fingers. Until you have carried a few bodybags, your opinions are just opinions.


Just becasue you served in Vietnam 30 years ago does not make your opinion have any more weight than anybody else's. Your service is appreciated but it doesn't make you smarter or wiser than anyone else.
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Just becasue you served in Vietnam 30 years ago does not make your opinion have any more weight than anybody else's. Your service is appreciated but it doesn't make you smarter or wiser than anyone else.

Well dang it now you all are saying experience serves as no teacher,,here i spent so many years being told HANDS ON was one of the greatest teachers. (dripping sarcasm}
No one anywhere in this country can possibly know as much about Viet Nam than those WHO ACTUALLY were there and walked that path! This has been the biggest insult i have ever seen to a Viet Nam military vet on these forums!
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Originally posted by paw-paw:
Patriot,
I agree with you completely. It just seems this Skymaster only wants to slam everyone without reason. He (or she) does not offer any type of discussion, just name calling.


In that, you are correct. He/she does not bring much to the discussion. I guess I kind of took offense to the thought that nobody who hasn't been in Vietnam can't have a part in this discussion. I should not have put that out as a slam on you, for that I apologize.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by paw-paw:
Patriot,
I agree with you completely. It just seems this Skymaster only wants to slam everyone without reason. He (or she) does not offer any type of discussion, just name calling.


In that, you are correct. He/she does not bring much to the discussion. I guess I kind of took offense to the thought that nobody who hasn't been in Vietnam can't have a part in this discussion. I should not have put that out as a slam on you, for that I apologize.


Please, Skymaster is obviously mentally challenged as I have not read one single thing he/she has posted that has any intelligence in it. Just railing against "libbies" . He is best ignored until he can add to the discussion.
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Originally posted by excelman:
What really Pizzes me off is the hyprocracy of Bush and his backers. In truth, it is hard to falt anyone for doing whatever they had to do to escape Vietnam. Those were dark days!
The real problem I have is the way the people who actually went over there, fought and got injured are treated by the Bush machine. Take Max Cleland of Ga for instance. Left 3 of his 4 limbs in Vietnam, and that sorry bunch had the nerve to label him "unpatriotic" because he did not support a bill to waste millions on some military bill. In addition, the way John Kerry was slandered in the last campaign is just shameful. Whether you liked his policies or not, that man volunteered to go fight in Vietnam, do 2 tours , got wounded, and showed bravery in the face of the enemy under fire. Once he got out of the military, he exercised his right to free speech to denounce the war which, by now we all know, was a farce. It took a slimey bunch to discredit his service.
Old man Bush wasn't any better than his son to use Vietnam vets as pawns, but that's another story.
He left 2 to 3 limbs in vietnam because he was a careless drunk.Remember if you have a few drinks give your grenades to a designated grenade handler.
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Originally posted by paw-paw:
PBA, it's King George II.
See, I believe that the Iraq thing was just a cover for Bush's inability to get Bin Laden. He just cannot get him no matter what he tries. After Bin Laden made the threat to King George I, then little King had a revenge motive. It was never about WMD. He just wanted to divert attention from his failed attempt at Bin Laden. By the way, is skymaster in the shrinking 20% who still support the Bushy Bunch?
It was Saddam not Bin Laden,but I guess I shouldn`t correct someone who was in Vietnam.
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Originally posted by geddon97:
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Originally posted by excelman:
What really Pizzes me off is the hyprocracy of Bush and his backers. In truth, it is hard to falt anyone for doing whatever they had to do to escape Vietnam. Those were dark days!
The real problem I have is the way the people who actually went over there, fought and got injured are treated by the Bush machine. Take Max Cleland of Ga for instance. Left 3 of his 4 limbs in Vietnam, and that sorry bunch had the nerve to label him "unpatriotic" because he did not support a bill to waste millions on some military bill. In addition, the way John Kerry was slandered in the last campaign is just shameful. Whether you liked his policies or not, that man volunteered to go fight in Vietnam, do 2 tours , got wounded, and showed bravery in the face of the enemy under fire. Once he got out of the military, he exercised his right to free speech to denounce the war which, by now we all know, was a farce. It took a slimey bunch to discredit his service.
Old man Bush wasn't any better than his son to use Vietnam vets as pawns, but that's another story.
He left 2 to 3 limbs in vietnam because he was a careless drunk.Remember if you have a few drinks give your grenades to a designated grenade handler.



Yeah right, How did you come up with this bull? I guess playboy George now King George, was too drunk to show up for duty.

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