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It will fail...Republicans will renege on their promises. Just as the "Contract With America", republicans claiming to be committed to principles, once elected will soon forget them.

The original contract in '95 focused on "reforming" government agencies...in reality they should have focused on "abolishing" needless, redundant, and un-constitutional agencies.

It was pointed out by the CATO Institute in 2000 that "the combined budgets of the 95 major programs that the Contract with America promised to eliminate have increased by 13%."

Good job Republicans!

Did they repeal any of the excess legislation of the Clinton administration? No...how many major federal agencies, programs, or regulations were actually eliminated? How many pork-barrel projects were denied funding? How much was overall federal spending reduced? What was actually done to limit the government to the limits of the Constitution?

The federal government was not reduced at all during the heyday of the "Contract With America".

Of course what they said they really needed was majority in the House, Senate, and Presidency.

So what then...these great republicans bent on limiting the government and returning to us a government bound by the Constitution?

USA PATRIOT Act, No Child Left Behind Act, Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act...along with increases in farm subsidies, crony capitalism...not to even mention the gigantic increase in power for an (un-constitutional) imperial presidency.

If the co-opting by Palin/Bill Kristol of the principles claimed by the "Tea Party" continues...look for a repeat of failure like the "Contract With America".

The solution is not electing "new" bums for the old ones we've thrown out...the solution is defunding, decentralizing this gigantic..."thing"...we laughingly call Constitutional Government.
The "Pledge" proposes to:

"Give Small Businesses a Tax Deduction: We will allow small business owners to take a tax deduction equal to 20 percent of their business income. This will provide entrepreneurs with a much-needed infusion of capital for investment and new hiring."

That 20 percent tax deduction would be on top of retaining the Bush tax cuts. "Small Businesses," friends, include lots of pretty BIG businesses owned or controlled by multi-millionaires. A factory with 500 workers can be counted as a "small business" under current regulations. And the owner of that business can separately incorporate a second, or third, or more other, similar "small businesses" and get similar tax breaks for each one. So we are not just talking here about Mom and Pop operations. Nothing is said in the "Pledge" about holding the "small businesses" accountable for hiring these new workers that this tax break is supposed to enable them to hire or for making the anticipated "capital investment." Let us hope that if this initiative goes into law, there will be some kind of requirement that those hires are made or those investments are made or else the tax deduction is forfeited. Otherwise, there will be an incentive to some of these "entrepreneurs" to simply pocket the benefits of the tax break as additional profit to the "small businesses."
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Originally posted by beternU:
The "Pledge" proposes to:

"Give Small Businesses a Tax Deduction: We will allow small business owners to take a tax deduction equal to 20 percent of their business income. This will provide entrepreneurs with a much-needed infusion of capital for investment and new hiring."

That 20 percent tax deduction would be on top of retaining the Bush tax cuts. "Small Businesses," friends, include lots of pretty BIG businesses owned or controlled by multi-millionaires. A factory with 500 workers can be counted as a "small business" under current regulations. And the owner of that business can separately incorporate a second, or third, or more other, similar "small businesses" and get similar tax breaks for each one. So we are not just talking here about Mom and Pop operations. Nothing is said in the "Pledge" about holding the "small businesses" accountable for hiring these new workers that this tax break is supposed to enable them to hire or for making the anticipated "capital investment." Let us hope that if this initiative goes into law, there will be some kind of requirement that those hires are made or those investments are made or else the tax deduction is forfeited. Otherwise, there will be an incentive to some of these "entrepreneurs" to simply pocket the benefits of the tax break as additional profit to the "small businesses."


Well all of this is "political voodoo" anyway...smoke and mirrors. Taxes for "business" small or large should be reduced...(and a myriad of others).

But this:


"Small Businesses," friends, include lots of pretty BIG businesses owned or controlled by multi-millionaires.

the owner of that business can separately incorporate a second, or third, or more other, similar "small businesses"

Nothing is said in the "Pledge" about holding the "small businesses" accountable for hiring these new workers

Let us hope that if this initiative goes into law, there will be some kind of requirement that those hires are made or those investments are made or else the tax deduction is forfeited.

there will be an incentive to some of these "entrepreneurs" to simply pocket the benefits of the tax break as additional profit to the "small businesses."



I say...so the @#$%! what?!! Once again this assumes government owns the capital/investment/productivity and has the right to those "greedy" profits and to dictate how much private industry gets to keep...of their own money and investment.

This kind of class vs class rhetoric along with the political "voodoo" of tax breaks, incentives, etc. IS the problem.

Government involvement...the ability to grant special privileges and favors...OR to take them away is what causes all this crap...NOT evil business who actually employ people and produce things.
The Republican Tea Party's Real "Pledge to America":
In a desperate attempt to recreate the sweeping victories of 1994's Congressional midterm elections, spawned by Newt Gingrich's Contract With America, the Republican Tea Party on Thursday released its "Pledge to America," a broad, unspecific blueprint for making everything in the country wonderful again. It's chock full of catchy over-reaching promises aimed at shrinking government; controlling spending; reducing the deficit; balancing the budget; creating jobs; reforming Congress; strengthening national security; honoring the nuclear family; and restoring trust. But it's woefully short on detail and substance.

And, it's bull****. It's code-language for simply returning America back to the days of the failed Bush administration and its misguided economic and foreign policies. To the days when the GOP, as it does historically, focuses exclusively on making the rich richer while screwing the poor.

In its final "Checks and Balances" section, the Pledge to America calls for an end to the Democrats' one-party control of Washington. This is the same party that, if it wins House and Senate majorities in November, will fight to the death to also win the presidency in 2012 and return America to the days of Republican one-party rule; corrupt, special interest anti-reform days that served as the precursor to the worst economic crisis the nation experienced since the Great Depression.

So to cut through it all and expose it for what it truly is, here's the real GOP Pledge to America:

We the Republican Tea Party pledge:

-To lower taxes for the rich

-To cut spending on all programs that help the poor and middle class

-To end any program that helps you buy a house, a car, pay for college, save for retirement

-To cut Social Security and Medicare

-To repeal all those horrible Health Care Reform benefits such as no pre-existing condition exclusions; no lifetime caps; coverage for kids up to 26; and affordable coverage for everyone

-To eliminate those "unconstitutional" unemployment benefits

-To permanently freeze the minimum wage

-To let corporate special interests and lobbyists set policy

-To cancel aid and tax breaks for small business

-To waste trillions on unnecessary defense spending

-To let Wall Street run wild and reckless with the same sort of high-risk investment schemes that brought about the financial crisis of 2008

-To let corporations influence elections without any transparency whatsoever

-To let right-wing religious extremists run the country

-To ban gay marriage

-To ban abortion

-To mock scientific reasoning

-To eliminate funding for environmental/clean air/climate control initiatives

-To cut funding for sex-education programs

-To deport all illegal aliens

-To "take America back" to the days when blacks, Hispanics and Muslims were discriminated against and deprived of their basic civil rights and liberties

-To fear-monger and further turn Americans against Islam

-To return America to its isolationist days, and reduce America's standing in the world

-To demonize and attack as "hating America" anyone who disagrees with us

-To obstruct government and reject every single initiative of the Obama administration

There's your choice America: this, or the Democrats
So there it is folks!!!!!!!!
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Rocky if you have a strong opinion on the matter then why can't you come up with your own words? Why do you have to plagiarize?

Thanks Ronnie P., I forgot to include the link. It is good to know you follow something other than Fox News. It is also good to see some of the other right wing fanatics at least question the value of this "pledge", now if Glenn Beck's head would just explode........in a perfect world.
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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
In the 21 pages, do the Reps vow to resign if they are unable to fulfill their pledge, ala the Japanese Prime Minister??? Coincidently, he resigned over his failure to uphold a campaign promise to remove the American base from Okinawa.


Juan,

If the Republicans can't control both Houses and the Executive branch, the best they may do is stop or reduce funding. As to Yukio Hatoyama's resignation, you picked one of the worst examples I could imagine. I assume you got your information from the Guardian, Common Dreams, or similar. They've consistently misreported the situation in a simplistic, two dimensional way. Sigh! I really don't expect better from them.

Despite the reported dissatisfaction of Okinawans with US bases, it isn't quite as reported. Ethnic Okinawans dislike ethnic Japanese much more than they dislike Americans. If the bases leave, Okinawa's unemployment rate will go much higher. Its already much higher than the main islands. The US bases cost the US very little as the Japanese government cover most operation expenses, except for military salaries and tactical vehicle expenses.

Yukio Hatoyama's real problems were he couldn't stop the spending. Their national debt amounts to over 213 percent of their GDP and its still growing. The debt is held by the most rapid aging population in the world. Already, Japanese workers only reach an efficiency rate of 70 percent of US workers.
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
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Originally posted by b50m:
Why don't you read it and find out?


Rhetoric makes me dizzy.

If you cant compress it to 2 pages, and include a consequence for failing to uphold a pledge, then it all just political noise.


But! But! You had no problem with a healthcare bill over 2,000 pages long!


Exactly. But nobody read that one either.
If you take the PDF file that this thing was written on origionally, and query the author, you will find it is a lobbyist on Bohener's staff. The guy lobbys for AIG, Exxon, and some more I can't recall at this hour.

The crux of the whole thing was summed up by Boehner who stated at the presentation that they would still do the same thing. (that drove our nation off the cliff)

As to Beternu's talk of small business, bet ya didn't know that AIG, the Chicago Trubune, and Becthel (a division of Haliburton) all file as small businesses. These are the ones Boehner and McConald want to give the massive tax cuts to.
Ooooohhh, NOW I get it...It's sorta like the Health Care Bill and Nancy Pelosi's remark..."We HAVE to pass this in order to see what's IN it!". (emphasis mine) This cycle I will vote against anyone with a "-D" after their name. We (the U.S.) are on the precipice monetarily and Constitutionally and The Establishment has to have some shock therapy.
The only problem I have with the pledge is that it doesn't go nearly deep enough. I do have my doubts that they will follow the pledge if they gain control. The Republican establishment still thinks the TEA party populism will go away if they are elected. That would be a bad mistake for them to think it's business as usual when the election is over.
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Originally posted by rocky:
The Republican Tea Party's Real "Pledge to America":
In a desperate attempt to recreate the sweeping victories of 1994's Congressional midterm elections, spawned by Newt Gingrich's Contract With America, the Republican Tea Party on Thursday released its "Pledge to America," a broad, unspecific blueprint for making everything in the country wonderful again. It's chock full of catchy over-reaching promises aimed at shrinking government; controlling spending; reducing the deficit; balancing the budget; creating jobs; reforming Congress; strengthening national security; honoring the nuclear family; and restoring trust. But it's woefully short on detail and substance.

And, it's bull****. It's code-language for simply returning America back to the days of the failed Bush administration and its misguided economic and foreign policies. To the days when the GOP, as it does historically, focuses exclusively on making the rich richer while screwing the poor.

In its final "Checks and Balances" section, the Pledge to America calls for an end to the Democrats' one-party control of Washington. This is the same party that, if it wins House and Senate majorities in November, will fight to the death to also win the presidency in 2012 and return America to the days of Republican one-party rule; corrupt, special interest anti-reform days that served as the precursor to the worst economic crisis the nation experienced since the Great Depression.

So to cut through it all and expose it for what it truly is, here's the real GOP Pledge to America:

We the Republican Tea Party pledge:

-To lower taxes for the rich

-To cut spending on all programs that help the poor and middle class

-To end any program that helps you buy a house, a car, pay for college, save for retirement

-To cut Social Security and Medicare

-To repeal all those horrible Health Care Reform benefits such as no pre-existing condition exclusions; no lifetime caps; coverage for kids up to 26; and affordable coverage for everyone

-To eliminate those "unconstitutional" unemployment benefits

-To permanently freeze the minimum wage

-To let corporate special interests and lobbyists set policy

-To cancel aid and tax breaks for small business

-To waste trillions on unnecessary defense spending

-To let Wall Street run wild and reckless with the same sort of high-risk investment schemes that brought about the financial crisis of 2008

-To let corporations influence elections without any transparency whatsoever

-To let right-wing religious extremists run the country

-To ban gay marriage

-To ban abortion

-To mock scientific reasoning

-To eliminate funding for environmental/clean air/climate control initiatives

-To cut funding for sex-education programs

-To deport all illegal aliens

-To "take America back" to the days when blacks, Hispanics and Muslims were discriminated against and deprived of their basic civil rights and liberties

-To fear-monger and further turn Americans against Islam

-To return America to its isolationist days, and reduce America's standing in the world

-To demonize and attack as "hating America" anyone who disagrees with us

-To obstruct government and reject every single initiative of the Obama administration

There's your choice America: this, or the Democrats
So there it is folks!!!!!!!!


Actually, they want to privatize Social Security and Medicare. Wow..could you imagine how many people would be living in cardboard boxes, eating cat food right now if Bush had pushed this through back in 2004. Right...they want to take my money and invest it in the market. If I wanted to make some wall street broker a little richer I could invest it myself. HERE is somewhere WE DO NOT NEED GOVERNMENT INVOLVED.
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Originally posted by rocky:
The Republican Tea Party's Real "Pledge to America":
In a desperate attempt to recreate the sweeping victories of 1994's Congressional midterm elections, spawned by Newt Gingrich's Contract With America, the Republican Tea Party on Thursday released its "Pledge to America," a broad, unspecific blueprint for making everything in the country wonderful again. It's chock full of catchy over-reaching promises aimed at shrinking government; controlling spending; reducing the deficit; balancing the budget; creating jobs; reforming Congress; strengthening national security; honoring the nuclear family; and restoring trust. But it's woefully short on detail and substance.

And, it's bull****. It's code-language for simply returning America back to the days of the failed Bush administration and its misguided economic and foreign policies. To the days when the GOP, as it does historically, focuses exclusively on making the rich richer while screwing the poor.

In its final "Checks and Balances" section, the Pledge to America calls for an end to the Democrats' one-party control of Washington. This is the same party that, if it wins House and Senate majorities in November, will fight to the death to also win the presidency in 2012 and return America to the days of Republican one-party rule; corrupt, special interest anti-reform days that served as the precursor to the worst economic crisis the nation experienced since the Great Depression.

So to cut through it all and expose it for what it truly is, here's the real GOP Pledge to America:

We the Republican Tea Party pledge:

-To lower taxes for the rich

-To cut spending on all programs that help the poor and middle class

-To end any program that helps you buy a house, a car, pay for college, save for retirement

-To cut Social Security and Medicare

-To repeal all those horrible Health Care Reform benefits such as no pre-existing condition exclusions; no lifetime caps; coverage for kids up to 26; and affordable coverage for everyone

-To eliminate those "unconstitutional" unemployment benefits

-To permanently freeze the minimum wage

-To let corporate special interests and lobbyists set policy

-To cancel aid and tax breaks for small business

-To waste trillions on unnecessary defense spending

-To let Wall Street run wild and reckless with the same sort of high-risk investment schemes that brought about the financial crisis of 2008

-To let corporations influence elections without any transparency whatsoever

-To let right-wing religious extremists run the country

-To ban gay marriage

-To ban abortion

-To mock scientific reasoning

-To eliminate funding for environmental/clean air/climate control initiatives

-To cut funding for sex-education programs

-To deport all illegal aliens

-To "take America back" to the days when blacks, Hispanics and Muslims were discriminated against and deprived of their basic civil rights and liberties

-To fear-monger and further turn Americans against Islam

-To return America to its isolationist days, and reduce America's standing in the world

-To demonize and attack as "hating America" anyone who disagrees with us

-To obstruct government and reject every single initiative of the Obama administration

There's your choice America: this, or the Democrats
So there it is folks!!!!!!!!


You forgot one
- To make the wealthy a whole lot richer and the middle class a whole lot poorer.
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
The only problem I have with the pledge is that it doesn't go nearly deep enough. I do have my doubts that they will follow the pledge if they gain control. The Republican establishment still thinks the TEA party populism will go away if they are elected. That would be a bad mistake for them to think it's business as usual when the election is over.


I believe the Pledge is just a down payment. More details to follow. If the tea partiers are successful, John Boehner will be hold an important position, but not be a leader.
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Originally posted by True-Blue:
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Originally posted by rocky:
The Republican Tea Party's Real "Pledge to America":
In a desperate attempt to recreate the sweeping victories of 1994's Congressional midterm elections, spawned by Newt Gingrich's Contract With America, the Republican Tea Party on Thursday released its "Pledge to America," a broad, unspecific blueprint for making everything in the country wonderful again. It's chock full of catchy over-reaching promises aimed at shrinking government; controlling spending; reducing the deficit; balancing the budget; creating jobs; reforming Congress; strengthening national security; honoring the nuclear family; and restoring trust. But it's woefully short on detail and substance.

And, it's bull****. It's code-language for simply returning America back to the days of the failed Bush administration and its misguided economic and foreign policies. To the days when the GOP, as it does historically, focuses exclusively on making the rich richer while screwing the poor.

In its final "Checks and Balances" section, the Pledge to America calls for an end to the Democrats' one-party control of Washington. This is the same party that, if it wins House and Senate majorities in November, will fight to the death to also win the presidency in 2012 and return America to the days of Republican one-party rule; corrupt, special interest anti-reform days that served as the precursor to the worst economic crisis the nation experienced since the Great Depression.

So to cut through it all and expose it for what it truly is, here's the real GOP Pledge to America:

We the Republican Tea Party pledge:

-To lower taxes for the rich

-To cut spending on all programs that help the poor and middle class

-To end any program that helps you buy a house, a car, pay for college, save for retirement

-To cut Social Security and Medicare

-To repeal all those horrible Health Care Reform benefits such as no pre-existing condition exclusions; no lifetime caps; coverage for kids up to 26; and affordable coverage for everyone

-To eliminate those "unconstitutional" unemployment benefits

-To permanently freeze the minimum wage

-To let corporate special interests and lobbyists set policy

-To cancel aid and tax breaks for small business

-To waste trillions on unnecessary defense spending

-To let Wall Street run wild and reckless with the same sort of high-risk investment schemes that brought about the financial crisis of 2008

-To let corporations influence elections without any transparency whatsoever

-To let right-wing religious extremists run the country

-To ban gay marriage

-To ban abortion

-To mock scientific reasoning

-To eliminate funding for environmental/clean air/climate control initiatives

-To cut funding for sex-education programs

-To deport all illegal aliens

-To "take America back" to the days when blacks, Hispanics and Muslims were discriminated against and deprived of their basic civil rights and liberties

-To fear-monger and further turn Americans against Islam

-To return America to its isolationist days, and reduce America's standing in the world

-To demonize and attack as "hating America" anyone who disagrees with us

-To obstruct government and reject every single initiative of the Obama administration

There's your choice America: this, or the Democrats
So there it is folks!!!!!!!!


Actually, they want to privatize Social Security and Medicare. Wow..could you imagine how many people would be living in cardboard boxes, eating cat food right now if Bush had pushed this through back in 2004. Right...they want to take my money and invest it in the market. If I wanted to make some wall street broker a little richer I could invest it myself. HERE is somewhere WE DO NOT NEED GOVERNMENT INVOLVED.


As usual, you posted without proof. Even Bush only wished to privatized two percent of the employee's contribution to social security. No wonder Democrats are experiencing extreme rejection. Much like a healthy body rejecting a virus.
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Originally posted by rocky:
The Republican Tea Party's Real "Pledge to America":
In a desperate attempt to recreate the sweeping victories of 1994's Congressional midterm elections, spawned by Newt Gingrich's Contract With America, the Republican Tea Party on Thursday released its "Pledge to America," a broad, unspecific blueprint for making everything in the country wonderful again. It's chock full of catchy over-reaching promises aimed at shrinking government; controlling spending; reducing the deficit; balancing the budget; creating jobs; reforming Congress; strengthening national security; honoring the nuclear family; and restoring trust. But it's woefully short on detail and substance.

And, it's bull****. It's code-language for simply returning America back to the days of the failed Bush administration and its misguided economic and foreign policies. To the days when the GOP, as it does historically, focuses exclusively on making the rich richer while screwing the poor.

In its final "Checks and Balances" section, the Pledge to America calls for an end to the Democrats' one-party control of Washington. This is the same party that, if it wins House and Senate majorities in November, will fight to the death to also win the presidency in 2012 and return America to the days of Republican one-party rule; corrupt, special interest anti-reform days that served as the precursor to the worst economic crisis the nation experienced since the Great Depression.

So to cut through it all and expose it for what it truly is, here's the real GOP Pledge to America:

We the Republican Tea Party pledge:

-To lower taxes for the rich

-To cut spending on all programs that help the poor and middle class

-To end any program that helps you buy a house, a car, pay for college, save for retirement

-To cut Social Security and Medicare

-To repeal all those horrible Health Care Reform benefits such as no pre-existing condition exclusions; no lifetime caps; coverage for kids up to 26; and affordable coverage for everyone

-To eliminate those "unconstitutional" unemployment benefits

-To permanently freeze the minimum wage

-To let corporate special interests and lobbyists set policy

-To cancel aid and tax breaks for small business

-To waste trillions on unnecessary defense spending

-To let Wall Street run wild and reckless with the same sort of high-risk investment schemes that brought about the financial crisis of 2008

-To let corporations influence elections without any transparency whatsoever

-To let right-wing religious extremists run the country

-To ban gay marriage

-To ban abortion

-To mock scientific reasoning

-To eliminate funding for environmental/clean air/climate control initiatives

-To cut funding for sex-education programs

-To deport all illegal aliens

-To "take America back" to the days when blacks, Hispanics and Muslims were discriminated against and deprived of their basic civil rights and liberties

-To fear-monger and further turn Americans against Islam

-To return America to its isolationist days, and reduce America's standing in the world

-To demonize and attack as "hating America" anyone who disagrees with us

-To obstruct government and reject every single initiative of the Obama administration

There's your choice America: this, or the Democrats
So there it is folks!!!!!!!!


Rocky,

I knew you didn't have the brain power to dream up the above. You stole borrowed it. I'll remind you that lawyers are now searching for such posts and will sue ferociously. Not only will your parents lose their house, but you will have to move out of their basement.

Your post was originally from:

http://www.ostroyreport.com/20...edge-to-america.html stole
If we truly want to take our country back, End big government, and stop the intrusions in our daily lives this may very well be a place to start. Please take a moment to watch these youtube videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLJgPuNAh60

And here is 7 parts of Sheriff Mack
This is part one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_bLhCZr8N0&feature=related


What say you?
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Rocky,

I knew you didn't have the brain power to dream up the above. You stole borrowed it.

Look Elintfilterwindbag, I already acknowledged that I forgot the link in the earlier post and thanked the poster who pointed it out. You bitter old lonely fart, it is amusing that you follow my posts so closely. Thanks for being a fan!! Big Grin

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