“St. James is a church for sinners – for people who have hit rock bottom and people who want to help people who have hit rock bottom,” said Haggard, according to The Denver Post. “It is not a gathering for the righteous, except those who are righteous by faith.”


I saw no mention of him being a 'republican until the end of time' in your article or any other.

However, his idea of a church seems to be quite refreshing.
Hi all,

Even though this web site is always strongly Anti-Christian -- this time they have stubbed their toe. While trying to paint Haggard in a bad light -- they have shown God working through him.

Yes, Haggard has a problem with homosexuality. However, being homosexual is not a sin; living an active homosexual lifestyle is what goes against Biblical teaching. We all are sinners. Homosexuality is only one of the sins. But, when we turn for our sins and turn to follow Christ; we are forgiven. And, from all outward appearances -- that is what Ted Haggard has done.

And, to his credit, Ted Haggard is reaching out to people with the same problem which disrupted his life.

As B50 so well quoted from the article: “St. James is a church for sinners – for people who have hit rock bottom and people who want to help people who have hit rock bottom,” said Haggard, according to The Denver Post. “It is not a gathering for the righteous, except those who are righteous by faith.”

When any church gets so righteous that it cannot open its arms to those mired in sin -- then, it ceases to be a Godly church. We cannot help those in the homosexual lifestyle by turning our backs on them. However, we also cannot help them by blessing their unBiblical lifestyle. So, any Christian church should and must welcome homosexuals -- but, we can only accept and teach the Traditional Biblical Marriage.

And, I will say this -- if people are living in an active homosexual lifestyle -- and, at some point after being welcomed into a Christian church -- continues to refuse to leave that homosexual lifestyle; we must do as we are taught in Matthew 18:15-17. We must confront them about their unBiblical lifestyle; we must ask them to leave that lifestyle and embrace the lifestyle honored by Jesus Christ -- and, if they will not, we must ask them to leave the church.

No, this is not something I would advocate doing right away. I would welcome this Friend, I would encourage him/her to get involved in our Bible studies and in our Sunday School classes to gain more knowledge of God's Word. I would encourage him/her to fellowship with me and with others in our church fellowship family. In other words, I would do everything possible to make this person feel welcomed, loved, and a part of our church fellowship family.

But, let's say, six months, a year later -- and they are still living in an active homosexual lifestyle, still frequenting homosexual clubs and such -- then, I would know that their agenda was not to conform to God's ways -- but, to conform God's teachings to their worldly lifestyle. At that point, I would suggest they find another way to spend their Sunday mornings -- for they are certainly not gaining anything from joining us in worshiping God.

Just my thoughts. And, God bless Ted Haggard for what he is doing to share the Word of God among those in need.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Some have no shame. Wallowing with their prostitute/meth dealers and coming home to wife and kids to the megachurch's tithes.

Once caught, do some silly degayification and then start over again.

He is probably not so much 'spreading God's love" as he is looking for a cheap way to earn a living! Why he is famous! Good start for the start of a freak show/church.
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Some have no shame. Wallowing with their prostitute/meth dealers and coming home to wife and kids to the megachurch's tithes.

Once caught, do some silly degayification and then start over again.

He is probably not so much 'spreading God's love" as he is looking for a cheap way to earn a living! Why he is famous! Good start for the start of a freak show/church.

SO, NEAL, IN YOUR CHURCH -- THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "FORGIVENESS" -- RIGHT?

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

...being homosexual is not a sin; living an active homosexual lifestyle is what goes against Biblical teaching. We all are sinners. Homosexuality is only one of the sins. But, when we turn for our sins and turn to follow Christ; we are forgiven.

Bill


Bill, Bill, Bill......

Your single paragraph above should be enough to prove to YOURSELF that you are gay. I don't care either way -- but I would bet my mother's life that you are gay.

Why?

Because, believe it or not Bill, we do not all fight the desire to be gay, because WE DON'T HAVE TO. Most of us are legitimately straight and have been since the day we were born, because that's the way it works. However, YOU were born gay and you feel unbelievably guilty about it because your religion tells you it's wrong. It's silly to say that homosexuality is a sin within us all. It's not, Bill. It's a FACT about YOU....and simply put, there's nothing wrong with you (other than your intelligence and just about everything else unrelated to your sexual preference).

You have had homosexual thoughts since you were a child (as you clearly wrote in another post). You have known your whole life that you were gay, and it freaks you out, because your religion has taught you that it's wrong to be gay and that gay people burn in hell for eternity.

So what do you do? You spend your whole life trying to ignore the fact that you're gay. And to help ease your internal pain & suffering, you tell yourself silly stuff like "being gay isn't a sin, only persuing a homosexual lifestyle is." And so, you have lived your whole life as a closet homosexual, going so far as to marry and have kids.....all because you're scared stupid of this make-believe superman whom you call "God."

It's silly and pathetic, Bill. It's FINE that you're gay. PLEASE stop trying to prove to your god (and to everyone else) that you're not gay. YOU ARE GAY.

You're going to waste what little time you have left worrying about stupid crap like this, and you'll be dead before you know it. And for what? Nothing. You wasted your whole life.

Dustin
Oh,my. 2 complete idiots conversing. what a treat. I cannot STAND Joy Behar. ugh.
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This jerk (Haggard) is on Joy Behar right now.

THAT SHOULD PROVE HE IS NOT GAY!

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Hi Dustin,

Since I want to share your thoughts with ALL our Religions Forum Friends -- I have begun a new discussion.

Check out "All Have Sinned! - Are All Sins Equal?"

And, I am sharing it with my hundreds of Friends in my Friends Ministry Christian eNewsletter. Everyone needs a good laugh once in a while.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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