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This is the TRUE mindset of the rethugliteacons:
And they are still holding this bill hostage even though they got their tax cuts for the millionaires.

Republican Filibuster Blocks 9/11 Bill
Written by Raven Clabough
For the New Republic

Senate Republicans proved their fortitude today when they voted to filibuster the Zadroga bill, the measure to provide health insurance to 9/11 workers. The measure failed by a vote of 57-42.

Under the leadership of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, Senate Republicans vowed to filibuster any legislation introduced in the Senate until a settlement is reached on the Bush tax cuts and federal funding.

Seemingly testing the water, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid introduced the 9/11 health bill to the floor today. However, even Republicans who would have otherwise supported the bill maintained their promise to remain committed to the extension of the tax cuts and filibustered the legislation.

The New York Daily News writes that the Republican opposition to the bill is, for some, only temporary. “At least one Republican has expressed support for passing the bill, and others have suggested they’ll think about it once the tax deal is done.”

The failed legislation provoked the anger of 9/11 responders like John Feal, a Ground Zero construction worker, who said, “The United States Senate embarrassed itself today. It made a mockery of the political system that we believe in — and they failed us.”

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and New York Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Charles Schumer all articulated disappointed sentiments over the vote.

Congressional Republicans, aware that a failure to vote on the tax cuts will ultimately result in tax increases across the board, have set their priorities. The time sensitivity of the expiring Bush era tax cuts places it at the top of the Republicans’ agenda.

Senator Reid maintains the right to bring the measure back at any time, as he voted “no” to reserve that right.

However, according to the Daily News, “Bill backers in the House are trying a different tack, attempting to attach the Zadroga bill to the tax package.”
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How many "first responders" do you think did not already have health insurance? This, like most wasteful spending, is another example of vote buying by the left leaning democrats. I'll make a wide guess that the so-called 1st responder construction worker quoted in the article is a union member. Usually "1st responder" refers to firemen, medics, police, etc. Now the union is included?
Ed Schultz was whining about this last night. What Rocky failed to inform the readers is that this bill has been around since 2006. That means that the Democratic controlled Congress and Senate have had 4 years to get this taken care of and failed to do so because they were busy pushing cap and trade, Obamacare, and massive spending bills. They have no one to blame but themselves.

Also, the so-called tax cuts for the rich you are talking about are also tax cuts for the poor and middle class. Did you know that if these tax cuts aren't renewed the bottom tier of taxpayers will go from 10% to 15%.

That's a 50% increase in income taxes for the poor!!!!!
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Sez FI;
What Rocky failed to inform the readers is that this bill has been around since 2006. That means that the Democratic controlled Congress and Senate have had 4 years to get this taken care of and failed to do so because they were busy pushing cap and trade, Obamacare, and massive spending bills. They have no one to blame but themselves.



rocky has become a forum legend for leaving out facts, and adding to his "breaking news". No doubt side effects from too much Media Matters, Newshounds, HuffPo...etc.
I would bet even Ol' beternU has to do a "facepalm" at some of rocky's posts! Big Grin
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What Rocky failed to inform the readers is that this bill has been around since 2006. That means that the Democratic controlled Congress and Senate have had 4 years to get this taken care of and failed to do so because they were busy pushing cap and trade, Obamacare, and massive spending bills. They have no one to blame but themselves.


Exactly, another of those 'we didn't do this, lets blame it on the republicans AGAIN'!
It passed the house in SEPTEMBER of this year, taking their time.
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Originally posted by b50m:
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What Rocky failed to inform the readers is that this bill has been around since 2006. That means that the Democratic controlled Congress and Senate have had 4 years to get this taken care of and failed to do so because they were busy pushing cap and trade, Obamacare, and massive spending bills. They have no one to blame but themselves.


Exactly, another of those 'we didn't do this, lets blame it on the republicans AGAIN'!
It passed the house in SEPTEMBER of this year, taking their time.


Well, right wing witch of Waterloo, what is your answer to this? Why are the Republican senators FILIBUSTERING the bill NOW?
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Originally posted by alafbi:
How many "first responders" do you think did not already have health insurance? This, like most wasteful spending, is another example of vote buying by the left leaning democrats. I'll make a wide guess that the so-called 1st responder construction worker quoted in the article is a union member. Usually "1st responder" refers to firemen, medics, police, etc. Now the union is included?


It turns out that many of these people have become too ill to work, lost their jobs, and thereby lost their insurance.
What the Republicans in the Senate are doing is just plain shameful, not only on this , but other pieces of legislature as well. They have experienced some short-term political gain, but the long term health of our democracy will ultimately suffer.
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Sez seeweed:
It turns out that many of these people have become too ill to work, lost their jobs, and thereby lost their insurance.
What the Republicans in the Senate are doing is just plain shameful, not only on this , but other pieces of legislature as well. They have experienced some short-term political gain, but the long term health of our democracy will ultimately suffer.



What part of this are you having trouble understanding?

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What Rocky failed to inform the readers is that this bill has been around since 2006. That means that the Democratic controlled Congress and Senate have had 4 years to get this taken care of and failed to do so because they were busy pushing cap and trade, Obamacare, and massive spending bills. They have no one to blame but themselves.


And it's not like they have not gotten health care funding in the past from that evil Bush admin.

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The overall cost of the program would be capped at $5.1 billion over 10 years, with the city of New York contributing 10 percent of the total. The bill does not specify a funding source, but rather tasks the Ways and Means Committee with finding one.

The bill would also cover first responders to the Pentagon and Shanksville, Pa., sites should they become sick. That amendment, sponsored by New York Democratic Reps. Anthony Weiner and Eliot Engel, was adopted unanimously.

Congress began appropriating funds for the medical monitoring of World Trade Center responders in fiscal 2003, and three years later expanded the program to include treatment. Until then, treatment for first responders had been funded by the New York Fire Department and the American Red Cross.

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Why are the Republican senators FILIBUSTERING the bill NOW?


Given the actions of the House Dims, the whole point of the exercise is to play politics with the 911 first responders bill for political points. The Dimms own both houses of Congress and have not bothered to handle such meat and potatoes issues as funding the guv'ment and the troops or reinstating the existing tax rates until the end of the year and are now self-righteously howling about the other party. What hypocrisy! The whole point is not to pass the bill and continue to have a trendy political issue.

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The House bill would provide special medical benefits for the heroes of 911. Both parties overwhelmingly favor providing the benefits contained in the bill. So why was it defeated and why is the issue so hot in the House?

It is politics of course. It would have passed under the general rules of the House. But those rules allow the proposal of amendments from any Congressman. There is a special rule that blocks amendments. The party that controls the House sets the House rules. The Democrats selected the second rule so Republicans would be unable to propose any amendments.

It would have passed under the general rules. The Democrats control the House and had the votes needed. They chose to present the bill for vote in a manner that assured its defeat.
http://randomthots.org/2010/07...11-first-responders/
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Originally posted by b50m:
And it's not like they have not gotten health care funding in the past from that evil Bush admin.

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The overall cost of the program would be capped at $5.1 billion over 10 years, with the city of New York contributing 10 percent of the total. The bill does not specify a funding source, but rather tasks the Ways and Means Committee with finding one.

The bill would also cover first responders to the Pentagon and Shanksville, Pa., sites should they become sick. That amendment, sponsored by New York Democratic Reps. Anthony Weiner and Eliot Engel, was adopted unanimously.

Congress began appropriating funds for the medical monitoring of World Trade Center responders in fiscal 2003, and three years later expanded the program to include treatment. Until then, treatment for first responders had been funded by the New York Fire Department and the American Red Cross.



Go back and get a copy of the movie "Sicko".
A select few were taken by Michael Moore to Guantanamo to try to get at least the same medical help for the 1st responders as is given to Al Queda prisoners, but were turned down by the Military. Moore then took them to Havana where they were treated by Cuba for free.

The house bill has been stalled by the Republicans in the Senate when they decided to filibuster EVERYTHING during the Obama admin, so it would appear that Castro thinks more highly of our 1st responders than the Republican Senators do. Remember this when Sessions runs again.
Seeweed,
Do you know that Cuba has two levels of medical care?

One for the elites and press and one for the regular folks?

Did you know that the Cuban government owns the children in a family?

Did you know that food is rationed by the government?

Did you know that boats only have a few gallons of gas allowed so the occupants can't leave the island?

Did you know that propaganda is Moore's only selling point?
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Originally posted by seeweed: Go back and get a copy of the movie "Sicko".
A select few were taken by Michael Moore to Guantanamo to try to get at least the same medical help for the 1st responders as is given to Al Queda prisoners, but were turned down by the Military. Moore then took them to Havana where they were treated by Cuba for free.

The house bill has been stalled by the Republicans in the Senate when they decided to filibuster EVERYTHING during the Obama admin, so it would appear that Castro thinks more highly of our 1st responders than the Republican Senators do. Remember this when Sessions runs again.


"Sicko"? Really? The corpulent one is being bitten on his prodigious backside by Wikileaks over "Sicko"

Of course the flabby faced leftist denies it, and it may be false, I mean he and Fidel ARE buddies after all...
Thanks mark, I didn't know wikileaks hit that one.............................................

Cuba banned Michael Moore's 2007 documentary, Sicko, because it painted such a "mythically" favourable picture of Cuba's healthcare system that the authorities feared it could lead to a "popular backlash", according to US diplomats in Havana.

The revelation, contained in a confidential US embassy cable released by WikiLeaks , is surprising, given that the film attempted to discredit the US healthcare system by highlighting what it claimed was the excellence of the Cuban system.

But the memo reveals that when the film was shown to a group of Cuban doctors, some became so "disturbed at the blatant misrepresentation of healthcare in Cuba that they left the room".

Castro's government apparently went on to ban the film because, the leaked cable claims, it "knows the film is a myth and does not want to risk a popular backlash by showing to Cubans facilities that are clearly not available to the vast majority of them."

Sicko investigated healthcare in the US by comparing the for-profit, non-universal US system with the non-profit universal health care systems of other countries, including Cuba, France and the UK.

The secret 2008 cable is based on reports from the USINT's foreign service health practitioner (FSHP) of her conversations with local people, unauthorised visits to Cuban hospitals, and experience of helping USINT American and Cuban personnel access healthcare.

The cable describes a visit made by the FSHP to the Hermanos Ameijeiras hospital in October 2007. Built in 1982, the newly renovated hospital was used in Michael Moore's film as evidence of the high-quality of healthcare available to all Cubans.

But according to the FSHP, the only way a Cuban can get access to the hospital is through a bribe or contacts inside the hospital administration. "Cubans are reportedly very resentful that the best hospital in Havana is 'off-limits' to them," the memo reveals.

According to the FSHP, a more "accurate" view of the healthcare experience of Cubans can be seen at the Calixto Garcia Hospital. "FSHP believes that if Michael Moore really wanted the 'same care as local Cubans', this is where he should have gone," the cable states.

A 2007 visit by the FSHP to this "dilapidated" hospital, built in the 1800s, was "reminiscent of a scene from some of the poorest countries in the world," the cable adds.
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Originally posted by b50m:
I would have to be a sicko to watch "Sicko"!


Having apparently not watched Sicko , or Fahrenheit 911, my guess is you have no idea what is being told whether it be propaganda , fact, or what.
It is probably best not to comment on a movie that you have not seen and therefore have no idea about.

However, that being said, all of you missed the point of what I posted, which was not to hold up the Cuban medical system as some model we should follow, but just to show that although the Congressional Republicans have used and abused 9/11 for their political purposes, when it comes to actually doing something for those who worked the disaster, they are not willing to do something constructive (ie: they will not put their money where their mouth is),but CUBA of all places would at least tread a few. That is hypocritical to me .
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by b50m:
I would have to be a sicko to watch "Sicko"!


Having apparently not watched Sicko , or Fahrenheit 911, my guess is you have no idea what is being told whether it be propaganda , fact, or what.
It is probably best not to comment on a movie that you have not seen and therefore have no idea about.


I don't have first hand knowledge of the movie, so on that you are correct. I also have no firsthand knowledge of "Triumph of The Will" either, yet I know it to be pure propaganda as well.
As is Big Al's An Unconvient Truth, banned in Germany for propaganda.

I don't care for Moore's politics, so why would I watch a docudrama from him? I can read reviews and get the main picture.

The reps wanted the aid to have funding, and as has been posted, the responders are and have been taken care of.

The only reason they got treated in Cuba was for propaganda.

Why don't you fly down there, get outside Havana, and then see how the population actually lives?
Just to refresh memories:
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Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act, bill to help responders, may die

BY Michael Mcauliff
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

Wednesday, July 28th 2010, 4:00 AM

WASHINGTON - The House votes Wednesday or Thursday for the first time ever on a bill to care for the heroes and victims of Sept. 11, 2001 - and it's likely to fail.

That's because Democratic House leaders decided Tuesday to push ahead with the Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act under a rule that requires two-thirds approval to pass.

Many Republicans are concerned about the $10.5 billion price tag, and many don't like the way it's paid for.

News of the scheme immediately alarmed 9/11 responders.

"Whoever votes 'No' tomorrow should go to jail for manslaughter," said John Feal, who lost half his foot at Ground Zero in the cleanup.

Feal thinks House leaders should have found a way to move the bill in the regular way, needing just a simple majority.

"They'll all go home and lick their wounds after the vote, but 9/11 responders are the ones who are going to suffer without health care after nine years," Feal said.

Sources told the Daily News that Democrats feared Republicans would attach toxic changes in a simple majority vote. No such tinkering is allowed under the two-thirds rule.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new...e.html#ixzz18baY77e4
What was that response from b50m, the right wing witch of Waterloo, about the bill passing the house in September?
And Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona is from which political party? Oh yeah, rethuglicans!

Kyl Denies Healthcare For 911 Responders Because He Doesn’t Want To ‘Hurry’

From Think Progress:

Committed to the obstruction of any Democratic priority, Senate Republicans successfully blocked the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act that gives desperately-needed compensation to first responders who contracted serious illnesses while working at Ground Zero. While happy to exploit 9/11 heroes in support of their own agenda, not one Republican came to the Senate floor to explain their opposition to this bill. Their indifference towards the first responders, however, surfaced elsewhere. When confronted on Fox News, Sen. John Thune (R-SD) insisted that the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy were a higher priority. In the Senate rotunda, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) stepped around a first responder asking for his support, telling him “I can’t help you.” And when some first responders planned to meet Senators in their offices, Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) actually called the Capitol police.

Last week, an incensed Jon Stewart invited 9/11 first responders to the Daily Show to offer their thoughts on this callous behavior. “Disgusted” and “hurt” by their actions, the rescue workers admonished Republicans for using the holiday schedule and Senate process as an excuse to block desperately needed help. Recounting their criticism today, Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace asked Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) why he couldn’t “find a way to give these heroes peace of mind when it comes to health care.” Ignoring their emotional pleas, Kyl insisted that, while he didn’t want to deny care to those who desperately need it, he just refuses to do so “in a hurry”:

WALLACE: Senator, everyone — everyone — praises the first responders as heroes. You say you’re skeptical about the bill. Why not find a way to give these heroes peace of mind when it comes to health care?

KYL: First of all, they should have peace of mind when it comes to health care. The question is what and how? And when you try do it, as you said in your introduction, in a hurry, in a lame duck session, without a hearing, without understanding what the ramifications are and whether we can amend the bill, you’re doing it in the worst way. For example, there has already been a settlement for a lot of these people, a fund that’s been set up for them to receive funding. Will the people who are supporting this legislation be able to participate in that fund? Nobody has been able to say. Why $7 billion? What will the requirements for qualification be for the money?

Nobody wants to deny care to people who, and by the way these are primarily people who helped to clean up the site in the aftermath of 9/11 and there weren’t enough adequate precautions taken in some cases to deal with potential health issues and to the extent that they’ve become ill they do need to be taken care of. It’s one thing to make an emotional appeal to say we need to care for someone who did something good. It’s another to do it in a sensible way. And that’s all we’re asking for. You bring it up in the lame duck session with no opportunity to amend it and you’re probably going to make bad legislation. All this could have been done earlier I might add.
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Originally posted by b50m:
Seeweed,
Do you know that Cuba has two levels of medical care?

One for the elites and press and one for the regular folks?

Did you know that the Cuban government owns the children in a family?

Did you know that food is rationed by the government?

Did you know that boats only have a few gallons of gas allowed so the occupants can't leave the island?

Did you know that propaganda is Moore's only selling point?

None of this has anything to do with the post you are responding to. You do, however, seem to know a lot about propaganda.
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Originally posted by b50m:
It has everything to do with seeweed's posts.

And you know nothing about a lot.

Try looking up Cubans who fled from Castro and told their stories.

But it would take a few minutes out of your 'one liners'.


Once again, you have to recognize the deflection techinique b50m has been indoctrinated with as a witch who can't break the spell of being a Foxiphile. She is sick and to be pitied or committed, which ever will "cure" her and those like her of Foxiphelia.
I am not going to let this serious post be hijacked! Mad The republithugs are the architect of 911 fear mongering, anti-Muslim fear mongering and several million dollars of profit off of Halliburton and others in the "War on Terror" and NOW won't even allow those who were first responders to receive proper medical attention. A**hole hypocrites! Spin Foxiphiles!

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Originally posted by rocky:
What was that response from b50m, the right wing witch of Waterloo, about the bill passing the house in September?
And Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona is from which political party? Oh yeah, rethuglicans!

Kyl Denies Healthcare For 911 Responders Because He Doesn’t Want To ‘Hurry’

From Think Progress:

Committed to the obstruction of any Democratic priority, Senate Republicans successfully blocked the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act that gives desperately-needed compensation to first responders who contracted serious illnesses while working at Ground Zero. While happy to exploit 9/11 heroes in support of their own agenda, not one Republican came to the Senate floor to explain their opposition to this bill. Their indifference towards the first responders, however, surfaced elsewhere. When confronted on Fox News, Sen. John Thune (R-SD) insisted that the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy were a higher priority. In the Senate rotunda, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) stepped around a first responder asking for his support, telling him “I can’t help you.” And when some first responders planned to meet Senators in their offices, Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) actually called the Capitol police.

Last week, an incensed Jon Stewart invited 9/11 first responders to the Daily Show to offer their thoughts on this callous behavior. “Disgusted” and “hurt” by their actions, the rescue workers admonished Republicans for using the holiday schedule and Senate process as an excuse to block desperately needed help. Recounting their criticism today, Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace asked Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) why he couldn’t “find a way to give these heroes peace of mind when it comes to health care.” Ignoring their emotional pleas, Kyl insisted that, while he didn’t want to deny care to those who desperately need it, he just refuses to do so “in a hurry”:

WALLACE: Senator, everyone — everyone — praises the first responders as heroes. You say you’re skeptical about the bill. Why not find a way to give these heroes peace of mind when it comes to health care?

KYL: First of all, they should have peace of mind when it comes to health care. The question is what and how? And when you try do it, as you said in your introduction, in a hurry, in a lame duck session, without a hearing, without understanding what the ramifications are and whether we can amend the bill, you’re doing it in the worst way. For example, there has already been a settlement for a lot of these people, a fund that’s been set up for them to receive funding. Will the people who are supporting this legislation be able to participate in that fund? Nobody has been able to say. Why $7 billion? What will the requirements for qualification be for the money?

Nobody wants to deny care to people who, and by the way these are primarily people who helped to clean up the site in the aftermath of 9/11 and there weren’t enough adequate precautions taken in some cases to deal with potential health issues and to the extent that they’ve become ill they do need to be taken care of. It’s one thing to make an emotional appeal to say we need to care for someone who did something good. It’s another to do it in a sensible way. And that’s all we’re asking for. You bring it up in the lame duck session with no opportunity to amend it and you’re probably going to make bad legislation. All this could have been done earlier I might add.
Another repost to your repost,

Ed Schultz was whining about this last night. What Rocky failed to inform the readers is that this bill has been around since 2006. That means that the Democratic controlled Congress and Senate have had 4 years to get this taken care of and failed to do so because they were busy pushing cap and trade, Obamacare, and massive spending bills. They have no one to blame but themselves.

Also, the so-called tax cuts for the rich you are talking about are also tax cuts for the poor and middle class. Did you know that if these tax cuts aren't renewed the bottom tier of taxpayers will go from 10% to 15%.

That's a 50% increase in income taxes for the poor!!!!!

For those who are vehemently defending Cuba's healthcare, we can take up a donation for a plane ticket to Cuba for the next forum member who needs surgery or medical attention.
I don't understand what they want for the 911 responders? My understanding that a year or two after the event the gov't gave new york billions of dollars to take care of these people & new york said they would take care of them. If they got sick then I am sure they retired on disability & new york retirement has health cover. Even obama said everyone can have health insurance coverage & pre-existing conditions will be accepted. Its seems like they are asking for compensation money not health coverage money, but they are trying to disguise the request. The average person doesn't get extra compensation so I fail to see why they should. As everyone knows new york has a very generous retirement and disability program.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
Another repost to your repost,



Also, the so-called tax cuts for the rich you are talking about are also tax cuts for the poor and middle class. Did you know that if these tax cuts aren't renewed the bottom tier of taxpayers will go from 10% to 15%.

That's a 50% increase in income taxes for the poor!!!!!


All that is true ! The problem is the <6% additional tax increase on people making over a quarter of a million dollars that the Republicans insisted be included [or they will shut down the government) will cost my kids and grandkids $700 Billion.
You must not have any children or that would concern you as well.
Tax cuts are a good thing, but when we borrow more money from China to pay for them, they are not so good.
Having said all that, I am personally in neither of those two brackets (the lowest or the highest) BUT I would gladly be willing to pay the taxes I was paying during the Clinton years if we had the same economy we had then, and the government had money enough to pay off those loans instead of borrowing more.
I realize that no one else on this forum probably feels that way.
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
Another repost to your repost,



Also, the so-called tax cuts for the rich you are talking about are also tax cuts for the poor and middle class. Did you know that if these tax cuts aren't renewed the bottom tier of taxpayers will go from 10% to 15%.

That's a 50% increase in income taxes for the poor!!!!!


All that is true ! The problem is the <6% additional tax increase on people making over a quarter of a million dollars that the Republicans insisted be included [or they will shut down the government) will cost my kids and grandkids $700 Billion.
You must not have any children or that would concern you as well.
Tax cuts are a good thing, but when we borrow more money from China to pay for them, they are not so good.
Having said all that, I am personally in neither of those two brackets (the lowest or the highest) BUT I would gladly be willing to pay the taxes I was paying during the Clinton years if we had the same economy we had then, and the government had money enough to pay off those loans instead of borrowing more.
I realize that no one else on this forum probably feels that way.


Seeweed,

It doesn't cost 700 billion dollars unless the crooks plan on spending money that's never theirs in the first place. That is the problem. Considering the tax brackets have been in place for several years, why does Congress budget like pre-tax cut years when they know it's not there?

Tax cuts don't add to the debt unless you are dumb enough not to account for them in your budget year after year after year.....
MADDOW (after footage shown of Obama at G-20 press conference in Seoul saying he wants to extend Bush tax rates for middle class only): He may have to negotiate with Republican leaders on that position, but he's not going to have to do any negotiating with Democratic leaders. At least not in the House, because Nancy Pelosi not only shares the president's position on this, she is being clear as a bell about it.

.... followed by an addled Pelosi in softball interview on NPR --

PELOSI: The position that we have and which is the position that the president has put forth is that everybody should get a tax cut in our country. The problem comes when you give an additional tax cut to the wealthiest two percent that will heap $700 billion in debt onto our children and our grandchildren. So this is it, we want to fight for the middle class, we want to create jobs, we want to have tax cuts for everyone, but the additional tax cut at the high end is too costly.

NPR: What about, though, a temporary extension for including a tax cut for those at the high end. A year, two years?

PELOSI: Well, our position in the House has been that we support the tax cut for the middle cl-, for everyone, but not an additional tax cut at the high end. It's too costly. It's $700 billion. One year would be around $70 billion. That's a lot of money to give a tax cut at the high end.

This is what passes for "clear as a bell" to Maddow -- Pelosi deceitfully claiming that Democrats want "tax cuts for everyone," when what Democrats are actually proposing won't lower taxes for anyone but will increase them on the wealthy. Pelosi's alleged clarity lasted all of three sentences before she let slip that Democrats "support the tax cut for the middle cl-", which they don't. Pelosi quickly reverted to parrot, claiming that Democrats seek a tax cut for "everyone," which they don't. Followed by her third false claim in nearly the same breath, impressive even by Pelosi standards, of Republicans seeking "an additional tax cut" for the wealthy, on top of that tax break they'd allegedly receive with "everyone" else.



Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blo...erence#ixzz18frKBvrq
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
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Originally posted by seeweed:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
Another repost to your repost,





Seeweed,

It doesn't cost 700 billion dollars unless the crooks plan on spending money that's never theirs in the first place. That is the problem. Considering the tax brackets have been in place for several years, why does Congress budget like pre-tax cut years when they know it's not there?

Tax cuts don't add to the debt unless you are dumb enough not to account for them in your budget year after year after year.....


Don't you understand, the money has already been spent starting in 2001 ! We owe TRILLIONS of dollars to other countries, most to China.
To continue this path is foolishness ! We had a balanced budget with a surplus in 2000 and Bush destroyed it with this giveaway to the rich.
Ok fair enough , that's history, but NOW, to borrow 3/4 trillion dollars MORE to give away to the wealthiest 2% of the population (many of whom have said they didn't need or want it) is hocking our country's future.
Again, fair enough, the people voted for more of the same with more Republican reps and senators.
We had a great country once, it is a shame we are being reduced to a 2nd world country as we speak. Stay tuned, we will be a 3rd world country if the Republican leadership is allowed to have their way, BUT , on the bright side, there will be ENORMOUS wealth in the top 2% of our population.
Even now, it is becoming like what I have read of the "Guilded Age" as Mark Twain put it.
Fortunely , we had people who led our country at the turn of the century like T Roosevelt who believed that the great middle class of our country is it's real strength and thereby started the "Progressive Area".

Hopefully, after this current Guilded age has wrecked it's havock on our country, we will have leaders arise who will usher in a new progressive age.
It is such a shame tho, that we cannot learn from history and are forced to re-live it.

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