Repubs vote to kill granny

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Originally posted by b50m:

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Originally posted by The Propagandist:
The Republicans are proposing a "premium support plan" to give you $15,000 and tell you to go buy your own private insurance.

Applied to transportation, in replacement of low cost taxi rides whenever you might need it, that would be like giving someone $1000 and telling them to go buy a new car.

You can't find insurance for $15 grand a year for one? You ain't trying. I pay about $7 grand for a family. That is with my company paying half. So $14 grand for a family.

Are you 75 years old, with several pre-existing conditions, and an history of increasing ocurrances of illness?

Likewise, your auto insurance will be lower if you have had no accidents in the past five years than if you have had three wrecks, all your fault, in the past two years.

Plus, why should they have to go around shopping for the best deal, the best coverage, or the most affordable when they have one-stop shopping now? You really want to put my 75-year-old example at the mercy of private insurance sharks? On a limited budget? With the sharks knowing exactly how much they have to spend?

If granny had insurance under Medicare, she most likely would be allowed to enroll in a new plan regardless of health or preexisting conditions or AGE. The whole point is to make an insurance system that allows people to pick and choose form private companies. The 'one size fits all' doesn't work and never did. If it did, people would not need Medicare Advantage or C+ or some other supplement.

When my son was dropped from our family coverage, he had 60 days to be enrolled in a new plan with no conditions. As if coverage had never stopped. The plan for seniors should work the same way.

And to add:

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Obama:If costs kept skyrocketing, a special panel would come up with ways to "reduce the rate of growth ... while not harming beneficiaries' access to needed services." Congress would then have to accept the panel's recommendation or make other changes that achieve comparable savings.

Read that quote again (it comes from a White House fact sheet):

reduce the rate of growth ... while not harming beneficiaries' access to needed services.

This is the holy grail of health-care economics: Give people what they need, but don't go broke doing it.

Ryan thinks market forces are the way to do this. Obama thinks a special government panel is the way to do this.

Whatever the approach, it's clear doing this is really, really hard. That's why health-care costs have been rising so fast for so long.

Medicine is an inexact science that with deals with life-and-death questions. In many cases, there's little evidence to determine whether a particular treatment will help. In that gray area, it's very difficult to define what counts as "needed services."

There are those 'death panels' again.

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Originally posted by b50m:
If granny had insurance under Medicare, she most likely would be allowed to enroll in a new plan regardless of health or preexisting conditions or AGE. The whole point is to make an insurance system that allows people to pick and choose form private companies. The 'one size fits all' doesn't work and never did. If it did, people would not need Medicare Advantage or C+ or some other supplement.

When my son was dropped from our family coverage, he had 60 days to be enrolled in a new plan with no conditions. As if coverage had never stopped. The plan for seniors should work the same way.

In your "fantasy" world where benevolent insurance companies NEVER take advantage of the public.
How far will your skewed logic go in order to justify this??????
This is the result of both refusal to see the truth and blind ignorance, both engrained in those who would trust the insurance industry to DO THE RIGHT THING!
There is precedent NOT to trust insurance companies, of course you ignore this!!!!!!!!!!!!

The rates for a 64 year old under BCBSAL runs about $300 a month for single. The highest with dental is $378.00. Since Medicare kicks in at 65, you cannot do any one older than 64.

https://www.bcbsal.org/

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Originally posted by b50m:
The rates for a 64 year old under BCBSAL runs about $300 a month for single. The highest with dental is $378.00. Since Medicare kicks in at 65, you cannot do any one older than 64.

https://www.bcbsal.org/

And once again the b50m spin machine is in full cycle!
Just what does this "plan" cover and what is the deductible?
Who do you think you are fooling wicked witch and WHY are you so DEAD set on killing medicare?
Because your leaders in the rethugliteanazicon party tell you too, kind of like 1930's Germany!

And while we are at it, and I am SURE you are VERY wealthy (living in a Jim Walter home and all) wicked witch, HOW MANY SENIORS LIVING ON SOCIAL SECURITY could AFFORD $361.00 a month for insurance?
The average payment is around $1000.00 a month?
Is granny to choose between insurance for catastrophic coverage or EATING??????????
SHEESH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just a personal observation here Rocky. I think I remember B50 saying she was interested in Wicca. This does not make her a wicked witch. And I think it is in poor taste on your part to belittle her for living in a Jim Walter home. She like many other owners of Jim Walter homes are proud of their dwellings, and rightfully so. I think your low-ball insults toward her are beneath you and I think you could do better. I believe you are intelligent enough that you could find some other way to humiliate her other than resorting to those tactics. Besides, it makes you look bad.

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Originally posted by bluetick:
Just a personal observation here Rocky. I think I remember B50 saying she was interested in Wicca. This does not make her a wicked witch. And I think it is in poor taste on your part to belittle her for living in a Jim Walter home. She like many other owners of Jim Walter homes are proud of their dwellings, and rightfully so. I think your low-ball insults toward her are beneath you and I think you could do better. I believe you are intelligent enough that you could find some other way to humiliate her other than resorting to those tactics. Besides, it makes you look bad.

Hi bluetick. I keep rockhead on ignore. He obviously doesn't even understand what a Jim Walter home is.
But I do appreciate your defense. He can humiliate me all he wants to since I don't see it and I doubt few read his posts.
Have a good day.

B, you don't need defending. You can hold your own. Its just that his tactics are objectionable. And he hasn't humiliated you. He's TRIED, but he just humiliated himself.

LOL, that's good to know.

Sic em, dawg!

woof woof woof...huhhuhhuhhu..woof

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Originally posted by bluetick:
Just a personal observation here Rocky. I think I remember B50 saying she was interested in Wicca. This does not make her a wicked witch. And I think it is in poor taste on your part to belittle her for living in a Jim Walter home. She like many other owners of Jim Walter homes are proud of their dwellings, and rightfully so. I think your low-ball insults toward her are beneath you and I think you could do better. I believe you are intelligent enough that you could find some other way to humiliate her other than resorting to those tactics. Besides, it makes you look bad.

Thanks Mr. Bluetick;
You are absolutely right.
There really is no excuse.
I lately have had a very short fuse and am getting kind of defensive, especially since those like b50m, Cage and all the rest (here on rethugliteacon isle) can go "freestyle" on me with the insults (everything from my age to intelligence level) and I just tend to take it out on b50m (we have a history of insults)
This is bordering on excuse land and I want to apologize for getting personal about the economic status of b50m. That WAS below the belt. The "witch" part is a joke, sort of like Foxophile and rethugliteacon but some people don't take it that way.
Anyway, thanks for the direction and point taken Mr. Bluetick.

You're ok Rocky.

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Originally posted by rocky:

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Originally posted by bluetick:
Just a personal observation here Rocky. I think I remember B50 saying she was interested in Wicca. This does not make her a wicked witch. And I think it is in poor taste on your part to belittle her for living in a Jim Walter home. She like many other owners of Jim Walter homes are proud of their dwellings, and rightfully so. I think your low-ball insults toward her are beneath you and I think you could do better. I believe you are intelligent enough that you could find some other way to humiliate her other than resorting to those tactics. Besides, it makes you look bad.

Thanks Mr. Bluetick;
You are absolutely right.
There really is no excuse.
I lately have had a very short fuse and am getting kind of defensive, especially since those like b50m, Cage and all the rest (here on rethugliteacon isle) can go "freestyle" on me with the insults (everything from my age to intelligence level) and I just tend to take it out on b50m (we have a history of insults)
This is bordering on excuse land and I want to apologize for getting personal about the economic status of b50m. That WAS below the belt. The "witch" part is a joke, sort of like Foxophile and rethugliteacon but some people don't take it that way.
Anyway, thanks for the direction and point taken Mr. Bluetick.

B50, you may have him on ignore so I posted this so you would see his appology. I think it showed class.

makes me feel good..I believe I'll celebrate. Where did I put those papers?

I do blue, I see his stuff when he is quoted.

I accept his apology (future actions pending) but I do find it odd that he takes out his anger on the only person who has him on ignore.

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Originally posted by rocky:

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Originally posted by bluetick:
Just a personal observation here Rocky. I think I remember B50 saying she was interested in Wicca. This does not make her a wicked witch. And I think it is in poor taste on your part to belittle her for living in a Jim Walter home. She like many other owners of Jim Walter homes are proud of their dwellings, and rightfully so. I think your low-ball insults toward her are beneath you and I think you could do better. I believe you are intelligent enough that you could find some other way to humiliate her other than resorting to those tactics. Besides, it makes you look bad.

Thanks Mr. Bluetick;
You are absolutely right.
There really is no excuse.
I lately have had a very short fuse and am getting kind of defensive, especially since those like b50m, Cage and all the rest (here on rethugliteacon isle) can go "freestyle" on me with the insults (everything from my age to intelligence level) and I just tend to take it out on b50m (we have a history of insults)
This is bordering on excuse land and I want to apologize for getting personal about the economic status of b50m. That WAS below the belt. The "witch" part is a joke, sort of like Foxophile and rethugliteacon but some people don't take it that way.
Anyway, thanks for the direction and point taken Mr. Bluetick.

If you put all of the morons who upset you on ignore, like I did, you won't have to see their drivel any more. It makes reading the forums much more pleasant.

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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:

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Originally posted by rocky:

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Originally posted by bluetick:
Just a personal observation here Rocky. I think I remember B50 saying she was interested in Wicca. This does not make her a wicked witch. And I think it is in poor taste on your part to belittle her for living in a Jim Walter home. She like many other owners of Jim Walter homes are proud of their dwellings, and rightfully so. I think your low-ball insults toward her are beneath you and I think you could do better. I believe you are intelligent enough that you could find some other way to humiliate her other than resorting to those tactics. Besides, it makes you look bad.

Thanks Mr. Bluetick;
You are absolutely right.
There really is no excuse.
I lately have had a very short fuse and am getting kind of defensive, especially since those like b50m, Cage and all the rest (here on rethugliteacon isle) can go "freestyle" on me with the insults (everything from my age to intelligence level) and I just tend to take it out on b50m (we have a history of insults)
This is bordering on excuse land and I want to apologize for getting personal about the economic status of b50m. That WAS below the belt. The "witch" part is a joke, sort of like Foxophile and rethugliteacon but some people don't take it that way.
Anyway, thanks for the direction and point taken Mr. Bluetick.

If you put all of the morons who upset you on ignore, like I did, you won't have to see their drivel any more. It makes reading the forums much more pleasant.

Thanks for the advice Jimi, but I don't really believe in "ignore".
To me that is what a forum is all about.
The different views, the funny parts, the insults, the misinformation, it is all what makes this worthwhile.
To me that would be akin to being a liberal and only reading the Daily Kos.
Or being a radical right winger and ONLY watching Fox News.
JMHO, but I like reading it all:
GOOD, BAD, UGLY and CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thanks Mr. Bluetick;
You are absolutely right.
There really is no excuse.
I lately have had a very short fuse and am getting kind of defensive, especially since those like b50m, Cage and all the rest (here on rethugliteacon isle) can go "freestyle" on me with the insults (everything from my age to intelligence level) and I just tend to take it out on b50m (we have a history of insults)
This is bordering on excuse land and I want to apologize for getting personal about the economic status of b50m. That WAS below the belt. The "witch" part is a joke, sort of like Foxophile and rethugliteacon but some people don't take it that way.
Anyway, thanks for the direction and point taken Mr. Bluetick.

http://youtu.be/qS7nqwGt4-I

This has to be the most screwed up thread, yet. The medicare replacement suggested by Ryan will take place in 2021.

From page 6 of the Path to Prosperity:

"Saving Medicare: Protects those in and near retirement from any disruptions and offers future
beneficiaries the same kind of health-care options now enjoyed by members of Congress."

Got that, the insurance program for federal employees, including Congress, will be opened to seniors who reach 65 in 2021.

The $15,000 support is the average cost of Medicare per patient projected in 2021.

The Republican budget replacement for Medicare starting in 2021, that involves premium support and a health insurance exchange similar to that used by federal employees and congress. For a description of that see: http://www.opm.gov/insure/health. The policies cover pre-existing conditions.

For the record, I have a federal plan, but pay for all of it. When, I left federal service, I didn't have enough time for a pension, but could keep my insurance, if I paid the entire premium. I pay slightly less than $7,000 for the high end BCBS policy. Federal employees typically pay about 30 percent of the cost.

The amount suggested for premium support is $15,0000. Certainly enough to pay for most insurance packages under the federal plans.

Nice spin lintfilter! (You are a master at it on here, I will give you that)
Do the math. 55 today in 11 years will be 2022, but there are plenty of 55 year old granny's so the header of the thread doesn't lie.

This is an overview from Huffington Post about the Ryan Plan and what it has regarding medicare and medicaid. And let me pose this question to you, how long could a senior last in a nursing home on $15k subsidy?????

Here's an overview:

_ People now 54 and younger would not get the same Medicare coverage their parents and grandparents have. Instead, future retirees would get a fixed amount from the federal government to buy insurance from a range of regulated private plans. The federal payment would go directly to the health insurance plan. Starting in 2022, the eligibility age for Medicare, now 65, would be gradually increased until it reaches 67 in 2033.

_ Seniors already on Medicare and people within 10 years of retirement would be able to go into the traditional program as it exists today. Once the new program is set up in 2022, beneficiaries in traditional Medicare would be free to switch, but they would be under no obligation to do so.

_ The government Medicare payment – called "premium support" by Ryan and a voucher by critics – would be adjusted so that beneficiaries whose health gets worse would receive more. Wealthier retirees would get a lower subsidy, and lower-income beneficiaries would receive extra help with their out-of-pocket costs. The payments would be indexed for inflation, but at a level that's expected to be lower than the current rate of increase in medical costs. Medicare now covers about 47 million retirees and disabled people.

_ Medicaid, which covers about 50 million low-income and severely disabled people, would be turned over to the states. Washington would send each state a lump sum to cover services from prenatal care for low-income women to nursing homes for Alzheimer's patients. The block grant would allow each state to design its Medicaid program according to local needs.

_ Low-income people would lose their current federal right to Medicaid. Safeguards would be spelled out in subsequent legislation, but it's conceivable that states could stop accepting new applications in an economic downturn.

_ The GOP budget does not propose any changes to employer-provided health insurance, which now covers about 150 million Americans. But it does call for a debate about tax breaks generally, and one of the major ones is the tax-free status of health care benefits on the job.

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This is an overview from Huffington Post about the Ryan Plan and what it has regarding medicare and medicaid. And let me pose this question to you, how long could a senior last in a nursing home on $15k subsidy??

The $15,000 is the premium for the insurance, the same insurance Congress gets.

Medicare Part A, the free after 65 portion, doesn't cover nursing home costs.

Get your facts correct.

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Originally posted by elinterventor01:

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This is an overview from Huffington Post about the Ryan Plan and what it has regarding medicare and medicaid. And let me pose this question to you, how long could a senior last in a nursing home on $15k subsidy??

The $15,000 is the premium for the insurance, the same insurance Congress gets.

Medicare Part A, the free after 65 portion, doesn't cover nursing home costs.

Get your facts correct.

Yeah, I WILL ADMIT (Man, I know that is a foreign concept to you) that was wrong about the nursing home part.
What I meant to state was that even now those in nursing homes receive assistance from both medicare AND for the most part medicaid. If medicare is revamped and from all indications medicaid is dismantled, how WOULD granny stay in a nursing facility?

The rest of the article is basically correct as to medicaid, when it does cover nursing home care, usually requires surrender of the patients other assets such as social security, pensions and even homes, depending upon the state.

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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
The rest of the article is basically correct as to medicaid, when it does cover nursing home care, usually requires surrender of the patients other assets such as social security, pensions and even homes, depending upon the state.

SOOOOOOOOOO, you are ADMITING???????? that under the Ryan plan if granny was in a nursing home she would be on the street????

(Let me go look outside and watch the pigs fly!)

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Originally posted by rocky:

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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
The rest of the article is basically correct as to medicaid, when it does cover nursing home care, usually requires surrender of the patients other assets such as social security, pensions and even homes, depending upon the state.

SOOOOOOOOOO, you are ADMITING???????? that under the Ryan plan if granny was in a nursing home she would be on the street????

(Let me go look outside and watch the pigs fly!)

No, its even less likely. States must provide care, partially with federal assistance, already. The states will still get federal assistance. No governor is going to kick grannies to the curb.

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Originally posted by elinterventor01:

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Originally posted by rocky:

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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
The rest of the article is basically correct as to medicaid, when it does cover nursing home care, usually requires surrender of the patients other assets such as social security, pensions and even homes, depending upon the state.

SOOOOOOOOOO, you are ADMITING???????? that under the Ryan plan if granny was in a nursing home she would be on the street????

(Let me go look outside and watch the pigs fly!)

No, its even less likely. States must provide care, partially with federal assistance, already. The states will still get federal assistance. No governor is going to kick grannies to the curb.

Ever heard of a guy named Scott Walker???????

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Originally posted by rocky:

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Originally posted by elinterventor01:

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Originally posted by rocky:

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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
The rest of the article is basically correct as to medicaid, when it does cover nursing home care, usually requires surrender of the patients other assets such as social security, pensions and even homes, depending upon the state.

SOOOOOOOOOO, you are ADMITING???????? that under the Ryan plan if granny was in a nursing home she would be on the street????

(Let me go look outside and watch the pigs fly!)

No, its even less likely. States must provide care, partially with federal assistance, already. The states will still get federal assistance. No governor is going to kick grannies to the curb.

Ever heard of a guy named Scott Walker???????

I assume you mean the Governor who reined in the public unions. He kept many communities from going bankrupt.

Even under Medicare, you give the check over to the nursing home plus cover any personal costs yourself. Did that for my own mother. You also have to provide all bank records, deeds, etc to the Medicare office.

Yes, I made sure my mother had good long term care insurance.

I wish I had thought ahead. It was a nightmare.
Long term care insurance will be a necessity from now on.

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Originally posted by rocky:

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Originally posted by elinterventor01:

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Originally posted by rocky:

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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
The rest of the article is basically correct as to medicaid, when it does cover nursing home care, usually requires surrender of the patients other assets such as social security, pensions and even homes, depending upon the state.

SOOOOOOOOOO, you are ADMITING???????? that under the Ryan plan if granny was in a nursing home she would be on the street????

(Let me go look outside and watch the pigs fly!)

No, its even less likely. States must provide care, partially with federal assistance, already. The states will still get federal assistance. No governor is going to kick grannies to the curb.

Ever heard of a guy named Scott Walker???????

Yea, what Walker said we can't keep granny in the nursing home plus pay all the public employees benefits and rich retirement. Here it is in simple terms rocky. It doesn't matter if it's a family, a company, or the government. You can't spend more than you bring in.

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Originally posted by ferrellj:

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Originally posted by rocky:

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Originally posted by elinterventor01:

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Originally posted by rocky:

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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
The rest of the article is basically correct as to medicaid, when it does cover nursing home care, usually requires surrender of the patients other assets such as social security, pensions and even homes, depending upon the state.

SOOOOOOOOOO, you are ADMITING???????? that under the Ryan plan if granny was in a nursing home she would be on the street????

(Let me go look outside and watch the pigs fly!)

No, its even less likely. States must provide care, partially with federal assistance, already. The states will still get federal assistance. No governor is going to kick grannies to the curb.

Ever heard of a guy named Scott Walker???????

Yea, what Walker said we can't keep granny in the nursing home plus pay all the public employees benefits and rich retirement. Here it is in simple terms rocky. It doesn't matter if it's a family, a company, or the government. You can't spend more than you bring in.

HOW DID YOUR TEA PARTY GO, FERRELLJ?????????

Same as the other thread you posted this on, it went great. Sorry you missed, it was very informative.

http://www.timesdaily.com/apps...ef=PH&show=galleries

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Originally posted by ferrellj:
Same as the other thread you posted this on, it went great. Sorry you missed, it was very informative.

http://www.timesdaily.com/apps...ef=PH&show=galleries

YEAH, looked like a GREAT turnout!!!! LMAO!!!!!
THREE PICTURES OF THE SPEAKER( Even Jim Hannon couldn't find enough people to photograph) AND LOOKED LIKE MAYBE A DOZEN IN ALL IN ATTENDANCE!!!!!!!

THE PARTY'S OVER!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by rocky:

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Originally posted by ferrellj:
Same as the other thread you posted this on, it went great. Sorry you missed, it was very informative.

http://www.timesdaily.com/apps...ef=PH&show=galleries

YEAH, looked like a GREAT turnout!!!! LMAO!!!!!
THREE PICTURES OF THE SPEAKER( Even Jim Hannon couldn't find enough people to photograph) AND LOOKED LIKE MAYBE A DOZEN IN ALL IN ATTENDANCE!!!!!!!

THE PARTY'S OVER!!!!!!!!

We'll see. 2012 is still far away. Don't make the mistake of underestimating. History is full of people that made that mistake.

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Originally posted by ferrellj:

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Originally posted by rocky:

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Originally posted by ferrellj:
Same as the other thread you posted this on, it went great. Sorry you missed, it was very informative.

http://www.timesdaily.com/apps...ef=PH&show=galleries

YEAH, looked like a GREAT turnout!!!! LMAO!!!!!
THREE PICTURES OF THE SPEAKER( Even Jim Hannon couldn't find enough people to photograph) AND LOOKED LIKE MAYBE A DOZEN IN ALL IN ATTENDANCE!!!!!!!

THE PARTY'S OVER!!!!!!!!

We'll see. 2012 is still far away. Don't make the mistake of underestimating. History is full of people that made that mistake.

YEAH, and you rethugliteacons have some GREAT candidates waiting in the wings!!!!!!

Who are you going to through your support behind ferrellj???
Fred Karger or Jimmy McMillan????
How about THE DONALD!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by rocky:

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Originally posted by ferrellj:

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Originally posted by rocky:

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Originally posted by ferrellj:
Same as the other thread you posted this on, it went great. Sorry you missed, it was very informative.

http://www.timesdaily.com/apps...ef=PH&show=galleries

YEAH, looked like a GREAT turnout!!!! LMAO!!!!!
THREE PICTURES OF THE SPEAKER( Even Jim Hannon couldn't find enough people to photograph) AND LOOKED LIKE MAYBE A DOZEN IN ALL IN ATTENDANCE!!!!!!!

THE PARTY'S OVER!!!!!!!!

We'll see. 2012 is still far away. Don't make the mistake of underestimating. History is full of people that made that mistake.

YEAH, and you rethugliteacons have some GREAT candidates waiting in the wings!!!!!!

Who are you going to through your support behind ferrellj???
Fred Karger or Jimmy McMillan????
How about THE DONALD!!!!!!!!!!!

It's too early to tell. I haven't seen one yet that would be worse than what we have now. In 2008 Obama ran on hope and change. The people bought into because he had no record or history to debate. He now has a record and the hopey changey thing won't fly this time around.

The main theme of the Republican candidate will be "INO," I'm Not Obama!