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The United States House of Representatives has passed the Paul Ryan budget blueprint that would end Medicare as we know it, convert Medicaid to a block grant program which would sharply curtail health care availability to the poor and nursing home care to seniors, while further cutting dramatically into aid to those in need of food stamp programs and other social safety net assistance.

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickun...tes-to-end-medicare/
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The rethugliteacons want to make sure that if granny isn't dead, she will be soon.
No more medicare.
Just part of the master rethugliteacon plan:
If you get sick, die quickly!
If you are old and need healthcare, you better be rich or die even sooner!

Seriously, it is idiots like b50m who are supporting this and don't even realize they are hurting themselves!
How many millionaires live in a JIM WALTER home, wicked witch????????????????????????????????????????????????? Big Grin Big Grin
quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
quote:
The United States House of Representatives has passed the Paul Ryan budget blueprint that would end Medicare as we know it, convert Medicaid to a block grant program which would sharply curtail health care availability to the poor and nursing home care to seniors, while further cutting dramatically into aid to those in need of food stamp programs and other social safety net assistance.

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickun...tes-to-end-medicare/

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quote:
Originally posted by ferrellj:
You guys are funny. Now put away the tin foil hats.


The Repubs are bad at math. The Ryan plan cuts spending by $5+trilion, but it cuts taxes by $4+trillion resulting in a net savings of $180billion by 2022. In other words, it does nothing to reduce the deficit or the debt, and is merely a huge tax cut, with most of the dollars going to the top earners, while everyone has to pay VAT to cover the diff.
quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
quote:
Originally posted by ferrellj:
You guys are funny. Now put away the tin foil hats.


The Repubs are bad at math. The Ryan plan cuts spending by $5+trilion, but it cuts taxes by $4+trillion resulting in a net savings of $180billion by 2022. In other words, it does nothing to reduce the deficit or the debt, and is merely a huge tax cut, with most of the dollars going to the top earners, while everyone has to pay VAT to cover the diff.

__________________________________________

Wait a Minute Ditto,
wasn't it the socialist dems(Obama's Gang)that were counting jobs
saved as jobs created? And also temporary jobs counted as jobs created,
like census takers? What happened to the millions of dollars sent by
old reliable Joe to a none existant district in Arizona? Are you kidding?
How about Obama Care? I don't think anyone will be able to figure that
one out.

Keep Marching,
Skippy
quote:
Originally posted by skippy delepepper:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
quote:
Originally posted by ferrellj:
You guys are funny. Now put away the tin foil hats.


The Repubs are bad at math. The Ryan plan cuts spending by $5+trilion, but it cuts taxes by $4+trillion resulting in a net savings of $180billion by 2022. In other words, it does nothing to reduce the deficit or the debt, and is merely a huge tax cut, with most of the dollars going to the top earners, while everyone has to pay VAT to cover the diff.

__________________________________________

Wait a Minute Ditto,
wasn't it the socialist dems(Obama's Gang)that were counting jobs
saved as jobs created? And also temporary jobs counted as jobs created,
like census takers? What happened to the millions of dollars sent by
old reliable Joe to a none existant district in Arizona? Are you kidding?
How about Obama Care? I don't think anyone will be able to figure that
one out.

Keep Marching,
Skippy


You can't REFUTE what Ditto said because it is TRUE, so you resort to "Oh yeah, well your guys did this!"

We're not talking about what you think "our guys" did, we are talking about the Republican budget plan. It DOESN'T do any of the things they say it will do, and it DOES put more money in the pockets of big business at the expense of the average American CITIZENS who can least afford it.
A good side by side:

quote:
Comparing Obama, House GOP deficit-cutting ideas
The Associated Press


A comparison of President Barack Obama's latest deficit reduction proposal with a Republican plan written largely by Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, and expected to get a House vote this week:

DEFICIT

Without changes to current law, budget deficits will total $7 trillion over the next decade, the Congressional Budget Office projects. The deficit is the difference between the government's outlays and its income in a fiscal year. Both Obama's and Ryan's proposals are vague in several areas.

Obama proposes reducing deficits by $4 trillion over 12 years, with $3 trillion coming from spending reductions and $1 trillion from additional revenue. The president wants to resurrect a "trigger" that would enact automatic spending cuts if deficits haven't stabilized by 2014.

Ryan's budget proposes spending cuts of $5.8 trillion over 10 years.

---

MEDICARE AND MEDICAID

Obama and Ryan want to squeeze significant savings out of the health care programs for the elderly, poor and disabled. Both assume the $500 billion in claimed savings over 10 years from projected increases in Medicare spending that was part of the health care law enacted last year. They would cut dramatically different amounts from the programs.

-Obama would leave Medicare and Medicaid basically in their current forms, but cut at least $200 billion more from Medicare over 10 years and $100 billion from Medicaid. Obama lays out a mix of generalities and specifics on how to get there, including empowering an independent advisory board to hold down growth in Medicare spending, seeking to use Medicare's bargaining power to negotiate lower prescription drug costs, improving patient safety and setting limits on Medicaid payments for certain medical devices.

-Ryan would repeal Obama's signature health care overhaul and recast Medicare and Medicaid, while cutting Medicare spending by an additional $30 billion over the $500 billion cuts in projected increases in the new health care law. People now 54 and younger would get a voucher-style federal payment to purchase coverage from private plans instead of the government making payments to health care providers for services to Medicare beneficiaries. He would cut $771 billion from Medicaid over 10 years. Poor people would get federal money from states, which would receive it in block grants.

---

SOCIAL SECURITY

Both plans don't touch Social Security, the politically sacrosanct retirement program for older Americans.

---

TAXES

Obama proposes an overhaul of the tax system that would eliminate tax breaks and loopholes and even lower some tax rates, resulting in $1 trillion in additional revenue.

Obama also wants to allow Bush-era tax cuts to expire for individuals making $200,000 or more a year and couples making $250,000 or more. However, the revenue that would generate is not counted in his deficit-reduction plan because under existing law the cuts would expire on their own at the end of 2012.

Ryan's budget would scrap numerous tax breaks and loopholes in exchange for reducing the top income tax rate for both individuals and corporations from 35 percent to 25 percent. He would extend the Bush-era tax breaks for all income levels.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011...t.html#ixzz1JdKfV2NA
quote:
Originally posted by O No!:
quote:
Originally posted by skippy delepepper:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
quote:
Originally posted by ferrellj:
You guys are funny. Now put away the tin foil hats.


The Repubs are bad at math. The Ryan plan cuts spending by $5+trilion, but it cuts taxes by $4+trillion resulting in a net savings of $180billion by 2022. In other words, it does nothing to reduce the deficit or the debt, and is merely a huge tax cut, with most of the dollars going to the top earners, while everyone has to pay VAT to cover the diff.

__________________________________________

Wait a Minute Ditto,
wasn't it the socialist dems(Obama's Gang)that were counting jobs
saved as jobs created? And also temporary jobs counted as jobs created,
like census takers? What happened to the millions of dollars sent by
old reliable Joe to a none existant district in Arizona? Are you kidding?
How about Obama Care? I don't think anyone will be able to figure that
one out.

Keep Marching,
Skippy


You can't REFUTE what Ditto said because it is TRUE, so you resort to "Oh yeah, well your guys did this!"

We're not talking about what you think "our guys" did, we are talking about the Republican budget plan. It DOESN'T do any of the things they say it will do, and it DOES put more money in the pockets of big business at the expense of the average American CITIZENS who can least afford it.

___________________________________________

Hey Mr.Head,


don't get snappy. Your socialist views are so pure of yourselves.
The democrates seem to always have a betterU attitude. You try to blame
everything on Bush and the republicans. You can't go on the offense and
expect no defence. Bad math is bad math. Ryan is at least addressing this
countries huge debt. What have the democrates done in the last 2 years +?
I'll tell you, figured out bigger and better ways to spend the Chinese's
money. Obama Care, Cap & trade. You guys are a joke. Fuzzy math? you guys
have it down to an art. Razzer

Keep Marching,
Skippy Cool
quote:
Originally posted by skippy delepepper:
quote:
Originally posted by O No!:
quote:
Originally posted by skippy delepepper:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
quote:
Originally posted by ferrellj:
You guys are funny. Now put away the tin foil hats.


The Repubs are bad at math. The Ryan plan cuts spending by $5+trilion, but it cuts taxes by $4+trillion resulting in a net savings of $180billion by 2022. In other words, it does nothing to reduce the deficit or the debt, and is merely a huge tax cut, with most of the dollars going to the top earners, while everyone has to pay VAT to cover the diff.

__________________________________________

Wait a Minute Ditto,
wasn't it the socialist dems(Obama's Gang)that were counting jobs
saved as jobs created? And also temporary jobs counted as jobs created,
like census takers? What happened to the millions of dollars sent by
old reliable Joe to a none existant district in Arizona? Are you kidding?
How about Obama Care? I don't think anyone will be able to figure that
one out.

Keep Marching,
Skippy


You can't REFUTE what Ditto said because it is TRUE, so you resort to "Oh yeah, well your guys did this!"

We're not talking about what you think "our guys" did, we are talking about the Republican budget plan. It DOESN'T do any of the things they say it will do, and it DOES put more money in the pockets of big business at the expense of the average American CITIZENS who can least afford it.

___________________________________________

Hey Mr.Head,


don't get snappy. Your socialist views are so pure of yourselves.
The democrates seem to always have a betterU attitude. You try to blame
everything on Bush and the republicans. You can't go on the offense and
expect no defence. Bad math is bad math. Ryan is at least addressing this
countries huge debt. What have the democrates done in the last 2 years +?
I'll tell you, figured out bigger and better ways to spend the Chinese's
money. Obama Care, Cap & trade. You guys are a joke. Fuzzy math? you guys
have it down to an art. Razzer

Keep Marching,
Skippy Cool


It seems so simple to me that I just cannot imagine how you people even start to have an argument.
Clinton inherited a stagnant economy, raised taxes on the rich, balanced the budget, and what followed was the best economy of any of our lifetimes. Jobs were abundant, (therefore pay was good), and when he left office, we had a surplus of money in the federal coffers.
Bush comes along, cuts taxes , especially on the really rich, and borrows money off the books to fight his little wars, passes a Rx plan off the books, and our economy tanks, jobs vanish, and we are approaching the largest transfer of wealth from the working class of people to the uber-rich to be seen since the Gilded Age, and in fact we are about back to that point as we argue.
Given the reality that is open for everyone to see, I am at a loss to understand why everyone who is not a billionaire, could still cling to the lie that that trickle down crap will do anything other than completely finish our country off.
quote:
Originally posted by rocky:
The rethugliteacons want to make sure that if granny isn't dead, she will be soon.
No more medicare.
Just part of the master rethugliteacon plan:
If you get sick, die quickly!
If you are old and need healthcare, you better be rich or die even sooner!

Seriously, it is idiots like b50m who are supporting this and don't even realize they are hurting themselves!
How many millionaires live in a JIM WALTER home, wicked witch????????????????????????????????????????????????? Big Grin Big Grin


This is about Medicaid, not Medicare! Get with the program!
quote:
Originally posted by seeweed:
quote:
Originally posted by skippy delepepper:
quote:
Originally posted by O No!:
quote:
Originally posted by skippy delepepper:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
quote:
Originally posted by ferrellj:
You guys are funny. Now put away the tin foil hats.


The Repubs are bad at math. The Ryan plan cuts spending by $5+trilion, but it cuts taxes by $4+trillion resulting in a net savings of $180billion by 2022. In other words, it does nothing to reduce the deficit or the debt, and is merely a huge tax cut, with most of the dollars going to the top earners, while everyone has to pay VAT to cover the diff.

__________________________________________

Wait a Minute Ditto,
wasn't it the socialist dems(Obama's Gang)that were counting jobs
saved as jobs created? And also temporary jobs counted as jobs created,
like census takers? What happened to the millions of dollars sent by
old reliable Joe to a none existant district in Arizona? Are you kidding?
How about Obama Care? I don't think anyone will be able to figure that
one out.

Keep Marching,
Skippy


You can't REFUTE what Ditto said because it is TRUE, so you resort to "Oh yeah, well your guys did this!"

We're not talking about what you think "our guys" did, we are talking about the Republican budget plan. It DOESN'T do any of the things they say it will do, and it DOES put more money in the pockets of big business at the expense of the average American CITIZENS who can least afford it.

___________________________________________

Hey Mr.Head,


don't get snappy. Your socialist views are so pure of yourselves.
The democrates seem to always have a betterU attitude. You try to blame
everything on Bush and the republicans. You can't go on the offense and
expect no defence. Bad math is bad math. Ryan is at least addressing this
countries huge debt. What have the democrates done in the last 2 years +?
I'll tell you, figured out bigger and better ways to spend the Chinese's
money. Obama Care, Cap & trade. You guys are a joke. Fuzzy math? you guys
have it down to an art. Razzer

Keep Marching,
Skippy Cool


It seems so simple to me that I just cannot imagine how you people even start to have an argument.
Clinton inherited a stagnant economy, raised taxes on the rich, balanced the budget, and what followed was the best economy of any of our lifetimes. Jobs were abundant, (therefore pay was good), and when he left office, we had a surplus of money in the federal coffers.
Bush comes along, cuts taxes , especially on the really rich, and borrows money off the books to fight his little wars, passes a Rx plan off the books, and our economy tanks, jobs vanish, and we are approaching the largest transfer of wealth from the working class of people to the uber-rich to be seen since the Gilded Age, and in fact we are about back to that point as we argue.
Given the reality that is open for everyone to see, I am at a loss to understand why everyone who is not a billionaire, could still cling to the lie that that trickle down crap will do anything other than completely finish our country off.


How soon we forget, or allow the left to distort history. The good times under the Clinton economy was based on a bubble -- the dotcom bomb. Clinton ended with a recession that the Bush tax cut relieved. A tax cut that resulted in increased revenues.
quote:
Originally posted by elinterventor01:
quote:
Originally posted by rocky:
The rethugliteacons want to make sure that if granny isn't dead, she will be soon.
No more medicare.
Just part of the master rethugliteacon plan:
If you get sick, die quickly!
If you are old and need healthcare, you better be rich or die even sooner!

Seriously, it is idiots like b50m who are supporting this and don't even realize they are hurting themselves!
How many millionaires live in a JIM WALTER home, wicked witch????????????????????????????????????????????????? Big Grin Big Grin


This is about Medicaid, not Medicare! Get with the program!


I was going by the title of the thread and since it was part of the rethugliteacons bill that was passed today, I WAS with the program.

The program you THUGS want is TO KILL GRANNY and make sure granny's KIDS and GRANDKIDS die too if they can't afford healthcare!

TEABAGGERS and rethugliteacons will reside in a special place in HELL!!!!!!!
quote:
I was going by the title of the thread and since it was part of the rethugliteacons bill that was passed today, I WAS with the program.

The program you THUGS want is TO KILL GRANNY and make sure granny's KIDS and GRANDKIDS die too if they can't afford healthcare!

TEABAGGERS and rethugliteacons will reside in a special place in HELL!!!!!!



Do you lunatics EVER research anything BEFORE you post???
No dammn wonder the US is in such a mess with airheads like you voting...
Jeez!!!!!!!!
quote:
Originally posted by rocky:
quote:
Originally posted by elinterventor01:
quote:
Originally posted by rocky:
The rethugliteacons want to make sure that if granny isn't dead, she will be soon.
No more medicare.
Just part of the master rethugliteacon plan:
If you get sick, die quickly!
If you are old and need healthcare, you better be rich or die even sooner!

Seriously, it is idiots like b50m who are supporting this and don't even realize they are hurting themselves!
How many millionaires live in a JIM WALTER home, wicked witch????????????????????????????????????????????????? Big Grin Big Grin


This is about Medicaid, not Medicare! Get with the program!


I was going by the title of the thread and since it was part of the rethugliteacons bill that was passed today, I WAS with the program.

The program you THUGS want is TO KILL GRANNY and make sure granny's KIDS and GRANDKIDS die too if they can't afford healthcare!

TEABAGGERS and rethugliteacons will reside in a special place in HELL!!!!!!!




You Democrats are now a caricature of your former selves, with the granny killer rants. No wonder no one takes you seriously any more. Just a bad as the lefties who called all the Nam vets baby killers.
Lintfilter, you are a LIAR.
Cage, you are a LIAR.
You posts lies and misqoutes and have since the year and change I have been on here as do all the other republicans who post.
There were vouchers for Medicare in part of the bill.
DENY IT!
Spin all you want, that and LIE is all you know to do.
I used to give you some slack because you were programmed that way through intense propoganda, but the truth is you are DANGEROUS and LIARS and are trying to influence others to think like Fox News has told you to through their overlords that control the republican party.

You are a blow hard lintfilter and Cage you are just a plain ******* who is a smart ass that has jumped on the thug bandwagon because it is popular on THIS forum.
quote:
Originally posted by CageTheElephant:
rocky...you are just plain IGNORANT...
So run back down to the "badazz" TNF and do some more azz kissin' and crying about how you get you azz kicked around here...

Then come on back pumped up (full) of more BS...

Your not even a pimple on a "real" educated persons azz... Roll Eyes


No Cage, you are the one that is IGNORANT!
A redneck thug like you has no business calling anyone uneducated. You are a parrot for any talking point that is thrown out there by Fox News and you are a wimpy coward at TNF but a big bad ass bully on this forum, only because you have the thug "posse" to back you up.
You are a boil on the butt of humanity!
quote:
No Cage, you are the one that is IGNORANT!
A redneck thug like you has no business calling anyone uneducated. You are a parrot for any talking point that is thrown out there by Fox News and you are a wimpy coward at TNF but a big bad ass bully on this forum, only because you have the thug "posse" to back you up.
You are a boil on the butt of humanity!


KMA... Wink
I just read this.

Dems jam Repubs

I'm sick of all of them, but I have to say the Dems pulled a pretty clever trick today. Now what are the Republicans going to say? They wouldn't even pass it themselves. LOL

quote:
Normally something like that would fail by a large bipartisan margin in either the House or the Senate. Conservative Republicans would vote for it, but it would be defeated by a coalition of Democrats and more moderate Republicans. But today that formula didn't hold. In an attempt to highlight deep divides in the Republican caucus. Dems switched their votes -- from "no" to "present."

Panic ensued. In the House, legislation passes by a simple majority of members voting. The Dems took themselves out of the equation, leaving Republicans to decide whether the House should adopt the more-conservative RSC budget instead of the one authored by Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan. As Dems flipped to present, Republicans realized that a majority of their members had indeed gone on the record in support of the RSC plan -- and if the vote closed, it would pass. That would be a slap in the face to Ryan, and a politically toxic outcome for the Republican party.

So they started flipping their votes from "yes" to "no."

In the end, the plan went down by a small margin, 119-136. A full 172 Democrats voted "present."
quote:
Originally posted by elinterventor01:
quote:
Originally posted by rocky:
quote:
Originally posted by elinterventor01:
quote:
Originally posted by rocky:
The rethugliteacons want to make sure that if granny isn't dead, she will be soon.
No more medicare.
Just part of the master rethugliteacon plan:
If you get sick, die quickly!
If you are old and need healthcare, you better be rich or die even sooner!

Seriously, it is idiots like b50m who are supporting this and don't even realize they are hurting themselves!
How many millionaires live in a JIM WALTER home, wicked witch????????????????????????????????????????????????? Big Grin Big Grin


This is about Medicaid, not Medicare! Get with the program!


I was going by the title of the thread and since it was part of the rethugliteacons bill that was passed today, I WAS with the program.

The program you THUGS want is TO KILL GRANNY and make sure granny's KIDS and GRANDKIDS die too if they can't afford healthcare!

TEABAGGERS and rethugliteacons will reside in a special place in HELL!!!!!!!




You Democrats are now a caricature of your former selves, with the granny killer rants. No wonder no one takes you seriously any more. Just a bad as the lefties who called all the Nam vets baby killers.


We didn't call all Viet Nam Vets "Baby Killers",
just the ones who killed Babies.
quote:
Originally posted by rocky:
Lintfilter, you are a LIAR.
Cage, you are a LIAR.
You posts lies and misqoutes and have since the year and change I have been on here as do all the other republicans who post.
There were vouchers for Medicare in part of the bill.
DENY IT!
Spin all you want, that and LIE is all you know to do.
I used to give you some slack because you were programmed that way through intense propoganda, but the truth is you are DANGEROUS and LIARS and are trying to influence others to think like Fox News has told you to through their overlords that control the republican party.

You are a blow hard lintfilter and Cage you are just a plain ******* who is a smart ass that has jumped on the thug bandwagon because it is popular on THIS forum.



Rocky,

Calling someone a liar, especially when they aren't, is a childish thing. Didn't they teach you that as a child, or at least, in polisci?

From page six of a Path to Prosperity, "Saving Medicare: Protects those in and near retirement from any disruptions and offers
future beneficiaries the same kind of health-care options now enjoyed by members of Congress."

From page 25, "When younger workers become eligible for Medicare, they will be able to choose from a list of
guaranteed coverage options, enjoying the same kind of choices in their plans that members of Congress enjoy
today. Medicare would then provide a payment to subsidize the cost of the plan. In addition, Medicare will
provide increased assistance for lower-income beneficiaries and those with greater health risks. Reform that
empowers individuals — with a strengthened safety net for the poor and the sick — will guarantee that
Medicare can fulfill the promise of health security for America’s seniors."
quote:
Originally posted by DarkAngel:
I just read this.

Dems jam Repubs

I'm sick of all of them, but I have to say the Dems pulled a pretty clever trick today. Now what are the Republicans going to say? They wouldn't even pass it themselves. LOL

quote:
Normally something like that would fail by a large bipartisan margin in either the House or the Senate. Conservative Republicans would vote for it, but it would be defeated by a coalition of Democrats and more moderate Republicans. But today that formula didn't hold. In an attempt to highlight deep divides in the Republican caucus. Dems switched their votes -- from "no" to "present."

Panic ensued. In the House, legislation passes by a simple majority of members voting. The Dems took themselves out of the equation, leaving Republicans to decide whether the House should adopt the more-conservative RSC budget instead of the one authored by Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan. As Dems flipped to present, Republicans realized that a majority of their members had indeed gone on the record in support of the RSC plan -- and if the vote closed, it would pass. That would be a slap in the face to Ryan, and a politically toxic outcome for the Republican party.

So they started flipping their votes from "yes" to "no."

In the end, the plan went down by a small margin, 119-136. A full 172 Democrats voted "present."



Dark Angel (wasn't that Lucifer, Lord of the Flies?).

Learn to recognize final vs interim votes. The final vote passed.

"But on Friday, 235 out of 239 Republicans voted for his budget. That included freshmen in Democratic-leaning districts, such as Ashland's Sean Duffy, already a top campaign target for Democrats next year."

"All 189 Democrats opposed the Ryan budget."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/s...itics/119960329.html

239 Yes votes is less than 194 No votes!
The proposed Medicare cuts and adjustments do not affect anyone over the age of 55 in the Ryan Plan. The media is not telling this part. On top of that, if the buffoons don't do something there is not going to be anything for those over 55 anyways in a few years. the situation is becoming more bleak by the day.
Some of you need to make yourself aware of the term "Normalcy Bias", and you will understand why sticking your head in the sand and thinking we can continue to print money to erase our debts is a lie hatched from a socialist hell. It has not worked for any country that ever tried to do it, and will not work for us.
quote:
Sez teyates: The proposed Medicare cuts and adjustments do not affect anyone over the age of 55 in the Ryan Plan. The media is not telling this part. On top of that, if the buffoons don't do something there is not going to be anything for those over 55 anyways in a few years. the situation is becoming more bleak by the day.
Some of you need to make yourself aware of the term "Normalcy Bias", and you will understand why sticking your head in the sand and thinking we can continue to print money to erase our debts is a lie hatched from a socialist hell. It has not worked for any country that ever tried to do it, and will not work for us.


You're wasting your time trying to explain anything to a couple of these spastic Libertards that post here. It's obvious rocky, dithead and that joke opie are clueless. You would think that they could at least use the damm computers to verify before they post such ignorant crap.(well, rocky and ditt anyway) I could understand if they actually had to read a book to find anything out...they would be lost.
At least there is ONo and a few others who actually THINK. Roll Eyes
I swear,
quote:
Originally posted by CageTheElephant:
quote:
Sez teyates: The proposed Medicare cuts and adjustments do not affect anyone over the age of 55 in the Ryan Plan. The media is not telling this part. On top of that, if the buffoons don't do something there is not going to be anything for those over 55 anyways in a few years. the situation is becoming more bleak by the day.
Some of you need to make yourself aware of the term "Normalcy Bias", and you will understand why sticking your head in the sand and thinking we can continue to print money to erase our debts is a lie hatched from a socialist hell. It has not worked for any country that ever tried to do it, and will not work for us.


You're wasting your time trying to explain anything to a couple of these spastic Libertards that post here. It's obvious rocky, dithead and that joke opie are clueless. You would think that they could at least use the damm computers to verify before they post such ignorant crap.(well, rocky and ditt anyway) I could understand if they actually had to read a book to find anything out...they would be lost.
At least there is ONo and a few others who actually THINK. Roll Eyes
I swear,


Thanks Henny Penny, we get it, the sky is falling.
quote:
Originally posted by elinterventor01:
quote:
Originally posted by DarkAngel:
I just read this.

Dems jam Repubs

I'm sick of all of them, but I have to say the Dems pulled a pretty clever trick today. Now what are the Republicans going to say? They wouldn't even pass it themselves. LOL

quote:
Normally something like that would fail by a large bipartisan margin in either the House or the Senate. Conservative Republicans would vote for it, but it would be defeated by a coalition of Democrats and more moderate Republicans. But today that formula didn't hold. In an attempt to highlight deep divides in the Republican caucus. Dems switched their votes -- from "no" to "present."

Panic ensued. In the House, legislation passes by a simple majority of members voting. The Dems took themselves out of the equation, leaving Republicans to decide whether the House should adopt the more-conservative RSC budget instead of the one authored by Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan. As Dems flipped to present, Republicans realized that a majority of their members had indeed gone on the record in support of the RSC plan -- and if the vote closed, it would pass. That would be a slap in the face to Ryan, and a politically toxic outcome for the Republican party.

So they started flipping their votes from "yes" to "no."

In the end, the plan went down by a small margin, 119-136. A full 172 Democrats voted "present."



Dark Angel (wasn't that Lucifer, Lord of the Flies?).

Learn to recognize final vs interim votes. The final vote passed.

"But on Friday, 235 out of 239 Republicans voted for his budget. That included freshmen in Democratic-leaning districts, such as Ashland's Sean Duffy, already a top campaign target for Democrats next year."

"All 189 Democrats opposed the Ryan budget."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/s...itics/119960329.html

239 Yes votes is less than 194 No votes!


Where did I say it was? I was only making fun of the whole lot. They are all a bunch of money grubbing thieves. Dems and Repubs a like. The public just likes to think their side is fighting the good fight. I wish that America would wake up before its too late. Sometimes I think that is too late already.
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Originally posted by The Propagandist:
The Republicans are proposing a "premium support plan" to give you $15,000 and tell you to go buy your own private insurance.

Applied to transportation, in replacement of low cost taxi rides whenever you might need it, that would be like giving someone $1000 and telling them to go buy a new car.


You can't find insurance for $15 grand a year for one? You ain't trying. I pay about $7 grand for a family. That is with my company paying half. So $14 grand for a family.

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