Rick Perry, After Raising Secession, Calls For Fed Help With Swine Flu.

More spin from huff and puff.

The truth:

Gov. Rick Perry, in comments following an anti-tax "tea party" Wednesday, never did advocate Texas breaking away from the United States but suggested that Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to leave the union.


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So he bashes Washington…..everybody does except libs.

A member of the party of Lincoln calling for the (possible) secession of Texas from the union - how ironic. Total blustering, blow-hard, buffoonery. I predict he will lose to Kay Bailey Hutchinson in the next election.

On the other hand, it would not offend me in the least if we lost Texass.

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Rick Perry, After Raising Secession, Calls For Fed Help With Swine Flu [UPDATED]



UPDATE 4/27: The Dallas Morning News has a long report on a similar theme: despite his anti-Washington rhetoric, Gov. Rick Perry has raised major amounts of campaign cash -- $2.7 million to be exact -- from Washington political groups and lobbyists.

[T]he governor's financial support from the Beltway undercuts efforts to distance himself from the nation's capital by painting himself as the candidate of Texas-style government and Hutchison as the candidate of Washington, which recently landed Perry in the national spotlight amid talk of Texas secession. [...]

Hutchison campaign manager Rick Wiley said it's more evidence that Perry likes to bash Washington but has no problem taking its money - except for $555 million in federal unemployment money, which the governor says has strings attached.

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As long as Texas TAX PAYERS are sending money to Washington, DC, they are entitled to receive "Federal Funding", whern and where appropriate. As far as their status, relating to state hood, Texas is the only state in the union who came back into the union provisionally and they can take their Line Star, "Don't Tread on Me" and legally leave the union any time they want to ...

Sometimes I think we would be better off to just divide this nation into the two vastly different political idealogies, draw a boundary and close the borders.

Alabama's motto: "We Dare Defend Our Rights"..

It says much about the extremist conservative movement in this nation that they desire the dissolution of the Union rather than accept the basic tenants of democracy. I suppose, in the event of the dissolution of the U.S., that the red-states would then establish a theocracy, crush dissent and go to war with its neighbors. Sounds remarkably like Iran. Figures.

Is it not telling that there is such a degree of...what?...fear? Concern?...about the future of the country under the current federal government that people start talking secession or revolution? If nothing else, it demonstrates a degree of distrust with the government.

Janet Napolitano implies that supporters of conservative causes are "domestic terrorists." Eric Holder wants carte blanche to grab certain classes of firearms. Wealth redistribution. Federal control of health care. Federal control of the money supply and banking. Want money or health care? Be ideologically pure.

I get why certain liberals are blind to this sort of thing. There are likely a huge chunk of conservative America that wants no part of this progressive society.

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
It says much about the extremist conservative movement in this nation that they desire the dissolution of the Union rather than accept the basic tenants of democracy. I suppose, in the event of the dissolution of the U.S., that the red-states would then establish a theocracy, crush dissent and go to war with its neighbors. Sounds remarkably like Iran. Figures.

The British said pretty much the same thing 233 years ago. Loyalist was a name used for those who expressed sentiments as those above.

And the anti-government, theocratic, ultra-nationalist, anti-democratic voices continue. Amazing how the calls for the dissolution of the United States comes from the right. Let them lose control and watch them get mad, take their toys, and call for the destruction of the U.S. Good stuff.

"Janet Napolitano implies that supporters of conservative causes are "domestic terrorists."

I suspect some probably are. Whats your point?

Perhaps the calls and voices from the right are not any louder than the pandering, socialist, anti-conservative, molly-coddling cries of anguish from the left. No one has called for dissolution or destruction of the US...more bushwa from a liberal whiner.

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
It says much about the extremist conservative movement in this nation that they desire the dissolution of the Union rather than accept the basic tenants of democracy. I suppose, in the event of the dissolution of the U.S., that the red-states would then establish a theocracy, crush dissent and go to war with its neighbors. Sounds remarkably like Iran. Figures.

Snake, the U. S. A. is NOT a Democracy, we are a REPUBLIC.

You can’t teach an old snake anything.

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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
It says much about the extremist conservative movement in this nation that they desire the dissolution of the Union rather than accept the basic tenants of democracy. I suppose, in the event of the dissolution of the U.S., that the red-states would then establish a theocracy, crush dissent and go to war with its neighbors. Sounds remarkably like Iran. Figures.

Snake, the U. S. A. is NOT a Democracy, we are a REPUBLIC.

Republic/Representative Democracy.

By popular usage, however, the word "democracy" come to mean a form of government in which the government derives its power from the people and is accountable to them for the use of that power. In this sense the United States might accurately be called a democracy. However, there are examples of "pure democracy" at work in the United States today that would probably trouble the Framers of the Constitution if they were still alive to see them. Many states allow for policy questions to be decided directly by the people by voting on ballot initiatives or referendums. (Initiatives originate with, or are initiated by, the people while referendums originate with, or are referred to the people by, a state's legislative body.) That the Constitution does not provide for national ballot initiatives or referendums is indicative of the Framers' opposition to such mechanisms. They were not confident that the people had the time, wisdom or level-headedness to make complex decisions, such as those that are often presented on ballots on election day.

Writing of the merits of a republican or representative form of government, James Madison observed that one of the most important differences between a democracy and a republic is "the delegation of the government [in a republic] to a small number of citizens elected by the rest." The primary effect of such a scheme, Madison continued, was to:

. . . refine and enlarge the public views by passing them through the medium of a chosen body of citizens whose wisdom may best discern the true interest of their country and whose patriotism and love of justice will be least likely to sacrifice it to temporary or partial considerations. Under such a regulation it may well happen that the public voice, pronounced by the representatives of the people, will be more consonant to the public good than if pronounced by the people themselves, convened for the same purpose (Federalist No. 10).

Nevertheless, we support the "democratic process" and celebrate the election of our leaders every two, four and six years. It is our goal for many decades to support "democratically elected" governments world wide. For the purpose of this discussion, we are basically dealing with a protest of the results of the November election, and minority unhappiness with the Republic's selection of its leadership. My remarks about the "tenants of democracy" were in regards to our democratically elected leadership - not, as you assumed, that I was describing the U.S. as a pure democracy.

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
"Janet Napolitano implies that supporters of conservative causes are "domestic terrorists."

I suspect some probably are. Whats your point?

Most are not. That's the point.

Similarly, not all democrats are "defacrats".

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
"Janet Napolitano implies that supporters of conservative causes are "domestic terrorists."

I suspect some probably are. Whats your point?

Most are not. That's the point.

Similarly, not all democrats are "defacrats".

Most are not - I agree.

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On the other hand, it would not offend me in the least if we lost Texas.

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No, but it would greatly affect the economy.

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
A member of the party of Lincoln calling for the (possible) secession of Texas from the union - how ironic. Total blustering, blow-hard, buffoonery. I predict he will lose to Kay Bailey Hutchinson in the next election.

Do you just enjoy ignoring things posted directly before you?

Can you even directly quote the remark in question?

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Originally posted by gracies old man:

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Originally posted by meanassasnake:

On the other hand, it would not offend me in the least if we lost Texas.

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No, but it would greatly affect the economy.

Especially the economy of the "Republic" of Texas. They will have to raise those taxes, establish a trained security force, an independent economy, financial infrastructure (banking), and all the other necessary elements of an independent nation. Good luck to them.

P.S. Since THE STATE of Texass gets back .88 for every $1.00 they send to Washington - I do not anticipate secession any time soon.

"Gov. Rick Perry, in comments following an anti-tax "tea party" Wednesday, never did advocate Texas breaking away from the United States but suggested that Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to leave the union."

" A member of the party of Lincoln calling for the (possible) secession of Texas from the union - how ironic. Total blustering, blow-hard, buffoonery. I predict he will lose to Kay Bailey Hutchinson in the next election."


"Do you just enjoy ignoring things posted directly before you?

Can you even directly quote the remark in question?"

Yes, dear. I included the word "possible". The fact remains that Perry brought up the "possibility" of secession. It was pure theater and Texas will not leave the Union. Only 18% of Texans would even consider secession.

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I stand by my previous statement - it was pure gibberish and pandering to a bunch of "teabaggers". Mildly entertaining to those of us who know better and serious stuff to the anti-government, reactionaries still mad about the results of the November election.

Calling for secession is irresponsible. However, desiring to submit the US to trans-national government entities is, as well. The nation-state is the only proven guarantor of individual liberties.

In the EU, one sees that after the populations of several nations rejected the voluminous proposed constitution, with its ruling unelected bureaucracy that actually sets the rules and not the EU parliament, other means are used to effect the same goal.

The proposed constitution was broken up into several treaties and passed by the individual nations legislative bodies. Only Ireland, whose constitution requires the citizens to vote on such treaties has rejected the treaties. Present plans are to re-submit the treaties until Ireland votes correctly.

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A member of the party of Lincoln calling for the (possible) secession of Texas

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Yes, dear. I included the word "possible". The fact remains that Perry brought up the "possibility" of secession. It was pure theater and Texas will not leave the Union. Only 18% of Texans would even consider secession.

So did he mention the possibility or call for it?

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Originally posted by SardonicPoet:

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A member of the party of Lincoln calling for the (possible) secession of Texas

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Yes, dear. I included the word "possible". The fact remains that Perry brought up the "possibility" of secession. It was pure theater and Texas will not leave the Union. Only 18% of Texans would even consider secession.

So did he mention the possibility or call for it?

He brought it up as a possibility according to the transcripts I have read. That is the leaving open the "possibility" of secession. He is the one who suggested there could be a call for secession. I know you are simply trying to minimize the remarks, but they were what they were. It was the discussion of secession by a member of Lincolns own party (please recall that Lincoln arrested the Maryland legislature to prevent their vote for secession). Fairly recently a Texas Secessionist leader was imprisoned for leading a movement for secession. Perry's brilliant remarks were irresponsible and designed to appeal to his wingnut base in Texass. Glad he has that 18% tied up. It probably will not be enough to win him re-election.

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Calling for secession or bringing up the subject - all roads lead to Rome. He is a public official in the state of Texas giving voice to the secessionist movement.

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Originally posted by meanassasnake:

On the other hand, it would not offend me in the least if we lost Texas.

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No, but it would greatly affect the economy.

Especially the economy of the "Republic" of Texas. They will have to raise those taxes, establish a trained security force, an independent economy...

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Spoken like a true lib wacko. First, they have established an economy that would easily continue after any succession, although Perry was simply making a point to the Feds.
Oil drilling and refining would be one source of revenue as well as technology, farming, livestock, etc.
They have an abundance of natural resources available that few other states have.
Texas gives more to the U.S. than it gets back, even by your numbers. Texas would get 100%, rather than your 88% figure, which is suspect and not taking all things into consideration.
Texas will not succeed any time soon, but if it decided to, the influx of fed up Americans into Texas would be monumental.
No tax hike necessary!

snakie also fails to realize that a large proportion of the "Texass" citizens pay a proportionate amount of the taxes in the US. Heck if they succeed she may not get her monthly pension check, no wonder she is so upset with the governor's statement....

But in all seriousness, the governor is correct. People are becoming more upset with the increasing taxation, and the increased spending, which is occurring even in times when economical upheaval is rearing its ugly head. Most of us are intelligent enough to know that we cannot continue on this pace. Heck, if Texas decides to secede, and build a wall across the Mexcican border, my guess is their population would double, I know lots of folks who would gladly move there and escape the mess we have here now. Don't worry though snakie I am sure Alabama will follow right in behind them, maybe you will find safe haven in a more pleasant spot for your liberal idealogy in someplace like New Hampshire or California, but my guess is that you better be prepared cause I think your taxes will be going up.....

Don't worry though, it's patriotic to pay more, ask crazy Joe...

Much like Obama though, he was elected so you have to live with it.....touche'

''People are becoming more upset with the increasing taxation, and the increased spending.''

Don't you mean the rich are becoming more upset with the increasing taxation, and the increased spending? As long as the spending are for wars,making bombs,cutting taxes for the rich the right wing is happy. Bush did a lot of spending, now we are in a mess.


Gov. Rick Perry a wacko from the right wing party.

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Originally posted by Nobluedog:
''People are becoming more upset with the increasing taxation, and the increased spending.''

Don't you mean the rich are becoming more upset with the increasing taxation, and the increased spending? As long as the spending are for wars,making bombs,cutting taxes for the rich the right wing is happy. Bush did a lot of spending, now we are in a mess.


Gov. Rick Perry a wacko from the right wing party.

No...I meant what I said. People are slowly coming to terms that we cannot continue to print money just because the governmnet wants to spend it. Republican or Democrat..Bush (who isn't in office any more) or Obama....they both were/are spending money like drunken sailors. Obama is driving up bills that none of us can pay. You are a fool if you believe only the "rich" are going to pay for it. I have to laugh at the "retardedness" of an idividual who thinks that only someone else is going to foot the bill. Surely you are not that dim JJ to think that the costs are not going to be passed back to you????
I was optimistic that the great "O" might change the policies implemented the final two years of the Bush administration, but alas that is not going to happen. There is no control at thr trough and the pigs are going crazy. Pelosi, Frank, Biden and the rest are lined up like fattened swine gobbling up every penny they can squeeze from the American taxpayers. Don't worry though JJ, your time is coming, you are going to see what all of this spending is going to bring, and I assure you that you are not going to like it. It is not a Republican problem, nor a Democratic problem, it is OUR problem, and we are ALL going to pay for it.

Bush administration cut the taxes for the rich and to top that off with the Bush's Bailouts $1.8 TRILLION. I thought yo momma had you tested. You cheated on the test.

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Originally posted by Nobluedog:
Bush administration cut the taxes for the rich and to top that off with the Bush's Bailouts $1.8 TRILLION. I thought yo momma had you tested. You cheated on the test.

Well I may have cheated on the test, but you rode the short bus to school if you think your taxes are going to be decreased. Read the headlines today. Obama sold you out for the healthcare Initiative. Your tax cuts expire next year, right along with "rich". Pull that sack off your head and get a breath of fresh air and welcome to the real world.