Do those farmers really grow the stuff? i think a number of the vendors buy the produce and resell rather than grow it themselves
In The Know,
If you were really 'in the know', you would know the answer.
In fact, some do and some don't.
If you were really 'in the know', you would know the answer.
In fact, some do and some don't.
quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:Originally posted by ffemt:quote:Originally posted by WH:
The fact that you have to change the scenario to have a point should clue you in.
50 cents...I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
Did you even read my post? I said forget the scenario (and no I didn't change the scenario, I elaborated further). I'll make it short since you don't want to read.
I would be OK with paying $1.25 a pound. It isn't fair to advertise $1 and charge $1.25. Not fair to the consumer and not fair to other farmers.
You said "forget the scenario"...but yet you "elaborated further on it"...hmmm
Right.......I first elaborated further on it, than I said you know what forget about it. Your point is.....? Am I arguing with a brick wall? Let me review.
I post a scenario.
You say scenario isn't plausible.
I say it is(Really? You think small businesses won't support other small businesses? I mean really?) and clarify it further.
Than I say forget about it because the scenario isn't my point.
You have yet to discuss my actual point of overcharging 25%, responsibility of the farmer and the fairness to others.
So go ahead, talk about the scenario some more and ignore the real point.
Walmart overcharges on most items every day -- which is just one of the many reasons I don't shop at Walmart. Most stores in the area have a mark up on their items. Granted they don't tell you (except SAm's Club) that the wholesale price is this, but you can purchase it at a xX% markup. How do you know that the scale the cashier runs it across isn't off just a little bit -- computers can be rigged you know. The farmer's market is a great place to go and shop. I don't see anyone standing in Walmart demanding exact weights or exact price quotes etc. So I don't see why anyone would do that at a farmer's market.
In reading all of this I realized that BeternU's actual issue was with Ron Sparks and how he backed off the certified scales issue so that he could be governor. Personally, I don't care. I will continue to shop at the farmer's market regardless of who has certified scales or not. I think it is unfair to hold individuals to the high standard of requiring them to purchase the certified scales. Again, if the State wants them used -- the state should provide one for the market and require them all to use it. Whether Mr. Sparks backed off to keep his job or to get another or whatever matters nothing to me. Keeping business with the local guys and supporting my community are more of a priority than whether I overpaid 50 cents on anything.
When I go to Arby's and pay 99 cents for a value sandwich that is the equivalent of less than half a regular Arby's sandwich -- that is $5.01 for the full sandwich, fries and a drink -- that is mark up that I have issues with. If you want what you pay for -- say so to the person -- then or stop doing business there. If not, there is no need to drag that farmer and possibly harm the others at the market because you didn't handle your business then.
Some keep harping on the markup of 25%. If you really knew what businesses paid for an item and then marked it up to sell to you -- you'd stop buying anything. I still say if the farmer knew how off his scales were -- he would have remedied the situation, looked at getting different scales or changed his price to match what the cost really was. BUt again, we will not know because he wasn't given the chance to do the right thing -- and is still in the dark.
In reading all of this I realized that BeternU's actual issue was with Ron Sparks and how he backed off the certified scales issue so that he could be governor. Personally, I don't care. I will continue to shop at the farmer's market regardless of who has certified scales or not. I think it is unfair to hold individuals to the high standard of requiring them to purchase the certified scales. Again, if the State wants them used -- the state should provide one for the market and require them all to use it. Whether Mr. Sparks backed off to keep his job or to get another or whatever matters nothing to me. Keeping business with the local guys and supporting my community are more of a priority than whether I overpaid 50 cents on anything.
When I go to Arby's and pay 99 cents for a value sandwich that is the equivalent of less than half a regular Arby's sandwich -- that is $5.01 for the full sandwich, fries and a drink -- that is mark up that I have issues with. If you want what you pay for -- say so to the person -- then or stop doing business there. If not, there is no need to drag that farmer and possibly harm the others at the market because you didn't handle your business then.
Some keep harping on the markup of 25%. If you really knew what businesses paid for an item and then marked it up to sell to you -- you'd stop buying anything. I still say if the farmer knew how off his scales were -- he would have remedied the situation, looked at getting different scales or changed his price to match what the cost really was. BUt again, we will not know because he wasn't given the chance to do the right thing -- and is still in the dark.
Eastside-
I'm not demanding an exact scale and measure from a farmers market. If you notice in my posts I've said a fairly accurate scale, I just find a scale off by 25% to be inexcusable.
What we are talking about here is not a markup, a markup is an advertised price above what the seller pays (wholesale) so that the seller may make a profit. What is happening here is overcharging. Even though the farmer doesn't know it and trust there are still honest people enough that he would correct it if he knew.
Overcharging is not a markup. As I said before I'd be willing to pay the $1.25 but it's not fair to advertise $1.00.
I'm not demanding an exact scale and measure from a farmers market. If you notice in my posts I've said a fairly accurate scale, I just find a scale off by 25% to be inexcusable.
What we are talking about here is not a markup, a markup is an advertised price above what the seller pays (wholesale) so that the seller may make a profit. What is happening here is overcharging. Even though the farmer doesn't know it and trust there are still honest people enough that he would correct it if he knew.
Overcharging is not a markup. As I said before I'd be willing to pay the $1.25 but it's not fair to advertise $1.00.
OK, folks. Don't any of you see the absolutely rediculous thing this has turned into. Overcharged ........49cents and it has become a mojor issue. 6 pages of quotes and repeated things? Go out and kiss a pig and forget the whole thing. NOTHING has been settled. No one got their .49cents or another onion. WARNING post anything on here and it is likely to become international affair.
I can't believe this stupid post is still alive. It is only producing two outcomes: (1) The posters' IQ is rapidly going south; and (2) Beternu's ego has gone through the roof... 
i have enjoyed the onion saga more than any novel I've read in a long time! I only wish DeepFat had not been banned so he could write us all a movie scenario of the full story! Those of you who never were privileged to read one of his scenarios truly missed a lot of fun and humor!
pooh's dad and hammbone,
You 2 have cracked me up....if you had made the comments on page 1 i could see your point. But as you are telling everyone to go kiss a pig you are the one commenting on the 6th page.
And you have to think hammbone....when you made your comment you were the last one to kick this back to the top.
It kills me that someone will post on here how stupid people are for posting, yet they are keeping the thread alive.
I agree with earthmomma on this one....has become quite the humor for me....that some knuckle head thinks poor farmer brown mugged him out of .49
You 2 have cracked me up....if you had made the comments on page 1 i could see your point. But as you are telling everyone to go kiss a pig you are the one commenting on the 6th page.
And you have to think hammbone....when you made your comment you were the last one to kick this back to the top.
It kills me that someone will post on here how stupid people are for posting, yet they are keeping the thread alive.
I agree with earthmomma on this one....has become quite the humor for me....that some knuckle head thinks poor farmer brown mugged him out of .49
If I made a mistake in business I would hate to think that instead of a client calling it to my attention so that it can be corrected that they might go around saying they were "ripped off". It is a cowardly way to vent when you go behind someone's back, you did yourself no favor by not telling the vendor at the market, you have half a pound fewer onions that you paid for additionally you did the vendor no favor by keeping quite as he/she is likely to still not realize their scales are off. You did no favor for others that buy from the vendor as they are also getting less than they paid for, I assume you were the only one who knew the scales are off?
quote:Originally posted by ffemt:
Eastside-
I'm not demanding an exact scale and measure from a farmers market. If you notice in my posts I've said a fairly accurate scale, I just find a scale off by 25% to be inexcusable.
What we are talking about here is not a markup, a markup is an advertised price above what the seller pays (wholesale) so that the seller may make a profit. What is happening here is overcharging. Even though the farmer doesn't know it and trust there are still honest people enough that he would correct it if he knew.
Overcharging is not a markup. As I said before I'd be willing to pay the $1.25 but it's not fair to advertise $1.00.
Overcharging -- Mark up -- advertised or not -- it is the same to me. I'm going to pay it at the Farmer's Market -- just like I'm going to pay it at the Hometown Market -- if I want to buy there.
Again, this was an error that could have been corrected had this farmer been told, but as it stands now -- he is still in the dark about the weight difference.
This is not a battle people.
Hammbone -- I can't either. I went out of town for a few days and came back to like 3 more pages -- I thought my long post would be my last because it is just my opinion on the subject. It doesn't have to be everyone's opinion, but just becuase your opinion differs from mine doesn't mean either of us are right or wrong -- it is just that -- an opinion.
BFred -- exactly. I would want to know if I've done someone wrong and have the chance to make it right. Otherwise, talking about me behind my back is borderline slander and could hurt my business or my reputation. Now, if you tell me the issue and I still don't make it right -- then you have room to talk.
Markup is how businesses profit. If they were to sell it for what they bought it for then they would have no money to pay their bills or their employees. Would you be willing to work free?
I went to a farmers market today and was very happy with my purchase. So what if I could have probably bargain shopped and saved a few pennies by buying at Wal Mart. If I had felt like they had overcharged me for my tomato, I probably would have (politely) asked them about it instead of bashing them later on a forum. That's just me though.
quote:Originally posted by ffemt:
Markup is how businesses profit. If they were to sell it for what they bought it for then they would have no money to pay their bills or their employees. Would you be willing to work free?
You've actually made my point for me. "Mark up is how businesses profit" -- so whether Farmer Ted "marked up" his onions and made a profit or whether Farmer Ted weighed the onions a little on the heavy side and overcharged me 50 cents -- I'm going to pay it either way if I want to shop at that store. It's profit for the local farmer and I'd rather give that profit to Farmer Ted than Wal-mart any day of the week.