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Condie. What a pant load! Most of our large cities have had underfunded civil service pensions for decades. Mostly because the politicians didn’t make the government portion of the contribution. That was diverted into vote getting schemes. The union bosses didn’t complain. Their pensions are separately funded by member contributions. Of course, most of those cities were managed by Democrats for decades. A number of the states and territories have the same problem – Michigan, DC and Puerto Rico come to mind
Let a Republican’s name be even whispered and it’s all hand to the cannon – prepare for a fusillade – of merde. As I’ve mentioned at this thread https://www.tnvalleytalks.com/t...kochs-not-even-close the Kochs are hardly the major players the left makes them out to be. The Kochs are hardly the largest contributors to political organizations. Not even close, they are about 48th. Seven of the top 10 are unions. Soros is 17th.
If one wishes to see a true pension destroyer, Soros is your man. His machinations in England and elsewhere destroyed thousands of pensions, at least.
Condie, quit being a double standard old hypocrite. It’s just getting embarrassing.
direstraits posted:Condie. What a pant load! Most of our large cities have had underfunded civil service pensions for decades. Mostly because the politicians didn’t make the government portion of the contribution. That was diverted into vote getting schemes. The union bosses didn’t complain. Their pensions are separately funded by member contributions. Of course, most of those cities were managed by Democrats for decades. A number of the states and territories have the same problem – Michigan, DC and Puerto Rico come to mind
Let a Republican’s name be even whispered and it’s all hand to the cannon – prepare for a fusillade – of merde. As I’ve mentioned at this thread https://www.tnvalleytalks.com/t...kochs-not-even-close the Kochs are hardly the major players the left makes them out to be. The Kochs are hardly the largest contributors to political organizations. Not even close, they are about 48th. Seven of the top 10 are unions. Soros is 17th.
If one wishes to see a true pension destroyer, Soros is your man. His machinations in England and elsewhere destroyed thousands of pensions, at least.
Condie, quit being a double standard old hypocrite. It’s just getting embarrassing.
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What ought to be embarrassing to YOU is your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above.
Dire, I hoped you would defend Brown and Kansas. As for SS, don't call my check, that I paid into for around 51 years, a "Government Benefit" until the amount that was borrowed from it is paid back.
"Wal" street?? "Wal"?
direstraits posted:Condie. What a pant load! Most of our large cities have had underfunded civil service pensions for decades. Mostly because the politicians didn’t make the government portion of the contribution. That was diverted into vote getting schemes. The union bosses didn’t complain. Their pensions are separately funded by member contributions. Of course, most of those cities were managed by Democrats for decades. A number of the states and territories have the same problem – Michigan, DC and Puerto Rico come to mind
Let a Republican’s name be even whispered and it’s all hand to the cannon – prepare for a fusillade – of merde. As I’ve mentioned at this thread https://www.tnvalleytalks.com/t...kochs-not-even-close the Kochs are hardly the major players the left makes them out to be. The Kochs are hardly the largest contributors to political organizations. Not even close, they are about 48th. Seven of the top 10 are unions. Soros is 17th.
If one wishes to see a true pension destroyer, Soros is your man. His machinations in England and elsewhere destroyed thousands of pensions, at least.
Condie, quit being a double standard old hypocrite. It’s just getting embarrassing.
All of a sudden beternnun doesn't like the Koch brothers, after his threads praising them! Hypocrite! Double standard hypocrite, racist DA with "selective amnesia", that's our beternnun!!
Bestworking posted:direstraits posted:Condie. What a pant load! Most of our large cities have had underfunded civil service pensions for decades. Mostly because the politicians didn’t make the government portion of the contribution. That was diverted into vote getting schemes. The union bosses didn’t complain. Their pensions are separately funded by member contributions. Of course, most of those cities were managed by Democrats for decades. A number of the states and territories have the same problem – Michigan, DC and Puerto Rico come to mind
Let a Republican’s name be even whispered and it’s all hand to the cannon – prepare for a fusillade – of merde. As I’ve mentioned at this thread https://www.tnvalleytalks.com/t...kochs-not-even-close the Kochs are hardly the major players the left makes them out to be. The Kochs are hardly the largest contributors to political organizations. Not even close, they are about 48th. Seven of the top 10 are unions. Soros is 17th.
If one wishes to see a true pension destroyer, Soros is your man. His machinations in England and elsewhere destroyed thousands of pensions, at least.
Condie, quit being a double standard old hypocrite. It’s just getting embarrassing.
All of a sudden beternnun doesn't like the Koch brothers, after his threads praising them! Hypocrite! Double standard hypocrite, racist DA with "selective amnesia", that's our beternnun!!
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Only an pitiful, tunnel-visioned absolutist dolt like you would reach such a conclusion, because you seem not to be able to understand that it is possible to be objective enough to recognize both the positive and negative aspects of the behavior of people.
jtdavis posted:Dire, I hoped you would defend Brown and Kansas. As for SS, don't call my check, that I paid into for around 51 years, a "Government Benefit" until the amount that was borrowed from it is paid back.
Brief research of the status of the Kansas general fund in the year preceding Brownsback's administration shows that there was a deficit in the fund then. That is a continuing problem for the state, which has used reductions in a number of departments to patch together annual budgets. For better or worse, Alabama has the same problem.
The left attacks Brownback for his tax cuts. Whereas, the wSJ has positive points,
Contendahh posted:direstraits posted:Condie. What a pant load! Most of our large cities have had underfunded civil service pensions for decades. Mostly because the politicians didn’t make the government portion of the contribution. That was diverted into vote getting schemes. The union bosses didn’t complain. Their pensions are separately funded by member contributions. Of course, most of those cities were managed by Democrats for decades. A number of the states and territories have the same problem – Michigan, DC and Puerto Rico come to mind
Let a Republican’s name be even whispered and it’s all hand to the cannon – prepare for a fusillade – of merde. As I’ve mentioned at this thread https://www.tnvalleytalks.com/t...kochs-not-even-close the Kochs are hardly the major players the left makes them out to be. The Kochs are hardly the largest contributors to political organizations. Not even close, they are about 48th. Seven of the top 10 are unions. Soros is 17th.
If one wishes to see a true pension destroyer, Soros is your man. His machinations in England and elsewhere destroyed thousands of pensions, at least.
Condie, quit being a double standard old hypocrite. It’s just getting embarrassing.
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What ought to be embarrassing to YOU is your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above.
The article was a shotgun approach attack from the Kansas public pensions to private pensions. Quite frankly, I found it poorly sourced and a hodgepodge article. I'm not going to spend time on a Medusa snake hairdo.
From Condie. "What ought to be embarrassing to YOU is your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above"
As I explained earlier, public pensions have experienced underfunding for decades -- mostly at the hands of Democrat hands. The Kansas state pension fund was underfunded before Brownback. At worst, Brownback has continued this mess.
Condie dived into the internet and found a Republican administration guilty of what Democrats have done for decades. This resembles a trait of another leftie former poster -- Quail Dog, whom I assume was finally caught in a net by the nice young men in white coats.
direstraits posted:From Condie. "What ought to be embarrassing to YOU is your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above"
As I explained earlier, public pensions have experienced underfunding for decades -- mostly at the hands of Democrat hands. The Kansas state pension fund was underfunded before Brownback. At worst, Brownback has continued this mess.
Condie dived into the internet and found a Republican administration guilty of what Democrats have done for decades. This resembles a trait of another leftie former poster -- Quail Dog, whom I assume was finally caught in a net by the nice young men in white coats.
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Since you drifted into only marginally related areas, I will post again what you should have responded to:
"What ought to be embarrassing to YOU is your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above."
Where is "Wal" Street?
For better or worse, Alabama has the same problem.
The problem in both states is a no brain governor and legislature just as stupid.
Contendahh posted:direstraits posted:From Condie. "What ought to be embarrassing to YOU is your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above"
As I explained earlier, public pensions have experienced underfunding for decades -- mostly at the hands of Democrat hands. The Kansas state pension fund was underfunded before Brownback. At worst, Brownback has continued this mess.
Condie dived into the internet and found a Republican administration guilty of what Democrats have done for decades. This resembles a trait of another leftie former poster -- Quail Dog, whom I assume was finally caught in a net by the nice young men in white coats.
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Since you drifted into only marginally related areas, I will post again what you should have responded to:
"What ought to be embarrassing to YOU is your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above."
You have my response. Is reading comprehension beyond you?
direstraits posted:Contendahh posted:direstraits posted:From Condie. "What ought to be embarrassing to YOU is your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above"
As I explained earlier, public pensions have experienced underfunding for decades -- mostly at the hands of Democrat hands. The Kansas state pension fund was underfunded before Brownback. At worst, Brownback has continued this mess.
Condie dived into the internet and found a Republican administration guilty of what Democrats have done for decades. This resembles a trait of another leftie former poster -- Quail Dog, whom I assume was finally caught in a net by the nice young men in white coats.
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Since you drifted into only marginally related areas, I will post again what you should have responded to:
"What ought to be embarrassing to YOU is your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above."
You have my response. Is reading comprehension beyond you?
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My comprehension is just fine. I fully comprehend your dodging and deflecting.
jtdavis posted:For better or worse, Alabama has the same problem.
The problem in both states is a no brain governor and legislature just as stupid.
Then, nearly every city and state have the same brain dead leadership.
Per the Congressional Budget Office;
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Economic and Budget Issue Brief
The recent financial crisis and economic recession have left many states and localities with extraordinary budgetary difficulties for the next few years, but structural shortfalls in their pension plans pose a problem that is likely to endure for much longer. This issue brief discusses alternative approaches to assessing the size of those shortfalls and the implications of those approaches for funding decisions:
- By any measure, nearly all state and local pension plans are underfunded, which means that the value of the plans' assets is less than their accrued pension liabilities for current workers and retirees.
- There are two leading approaches for valuing assets and liabilities, and the reported amount of underfunding varies significantly depending on which one is used.
- Decisions about how to address the underfunding can be informed by the choice between those two measurement approaches, but there is no necessary connection between the information provided by the two approaches and decisions about how much a plan's sponsor should contribute each year."According to the Public Fund Survey of 126 state and local pension plans, which account for about 85 percent of pension assets and participants in state and local pension plans in the United States, those plans held roughly $2.6 trillion in financial assets in 2009 but had about $3.3 trillion in liabilities for future pension payments. Thus, those assets covered less than 80 percent of liabilities, and unfunded liabilities (the amount by which liabilities exceed assets) amounted to roughly $0.7 trillion. That share of liabilities covered by assets in 2009 was the lowest percentage in the past 20 years. By comparison, the amount of state and local governments' debt that was outstanding at the end of 2009 was $2.4 trillion."
- https://www.cbo.gov/publication/22042
Contendahh posted:direstraits posted:Contendahh posted:direstraits posted:From Condie. "What ought to be embarrassing to YOU is your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above"
As I explained earlier, public pensions have experienced underfunding for decades -- mostly at the hands of Democrat hands. The Kansas state pension fund was underfunded before Brownback. At worst, Brownback has continued this mess.
Condie dived into the internet and found a Republican administration guilty of what Democrats have done for decades. This resembles a trait of another leftie former poster -- Quail Dog, whom I assume was finally caught in a net by the nice young men in white coats.
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Since you drifted into only marginally related areas, I will post again what you should have responded to:
"What ought to be embarrassing to YOU is your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above."
You have my response. Is reading comprehension beyond you?
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My comprehension is just fine. I fully comprehend your dodging and deflecting.
I refuse to waste my time of dross. Especially, a single cut and paste from you.
Condie's nurse must be giving him the better meds today. He has delusions that anyone responding to his thread is under obligation to do his bidding. Wonder if old Quail Dog is residing next door?
The DIRESTRAITS Principle: "When you can not produce a substantive response, fall back on personal insults and vague peripheral subject matter."
Contendahh posted:The DIRESTRAITS Principle: "When you can not produce a substantive response, fall back on personal insults and vague peripheral subject matter."
The beternnun principle: When you can not produce a substantive response, fall back on typos, personal insults and racist slurs.
Contendahh posted:The DIRESTRAITS Principle: "When you can not produce a substantive response, fall back on personal insults and vague peripheral subject matter."
Condie is getting a bit needy in his continuing mental decline. Every poster on this forum is free to post or nor post what they wish within bounds of the moderators. . We are not at the behest of an old proper grammarian. Anyone is free to rant and rave if we don't. That's your right. as well.
direstraits posted:Contendahh posted:The DIRESTRAITS Principle: "When you can not produce a substantive response, fall back on personal insults and vague peripheral subject matter."
Condie is getting a bit needy in his continuing mental decline. Every poster on this forum is free to post or nor post what they wish within bounds of the moderators. . We are not at the behest of an old proper grammarian. Anyone is free to rant and rave if we don't. That's your right. as well.
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If anyone is getting fuzzier by the day, it is YOU, Dire. Your facility for applying logic is fast escaping you. Just because I comment on the paucity of substance in some of your comments does not in any way equate to telling you what you may or may not post. I have nowhere challenged your or anyone's right to rant, rave or otherwise disport yourselves.
Contendahh posted:direstraits posted:Contendahh posted:The DIRESTRAITS Principle: "When you can not produce a substantive response, fall back on personal insults and vague peripheral subject matter."
Condie is getting a bit needy in his continuing mental decline. Every poster on this forum is free to post or nor post what they wish within bounds of the moderators. . We are not at the behest of an old proper grammarian. Anyone is free to rant and rave if we don't. That's your right. as well.
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If anyone is getting fuzzier by the day, it is YOU, Dire. Your facility for applying logic is fast escaping you. Just because I comment on the paucity of substance in some of your comments does not in any way equate to telling you what you may or may not post. I have nowhere challenged your or anyone's right to rant, rave or otherwise disport yourselves.
Less you forget, your own words, ""What ought to be embarrassing to YOU is your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above."
You insisted I should comment on private pensions, which wer part of your original thread, but only part. I chose to comment only on the public service pensions. Nowhere did I make the statement you accused my of "your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above." I made no such statement either implied or explicit. Perhaps, the little voices in your head told you otherwise.
direstraits posted:Contendahh posted:direstraits posted:Contendahh posted:The DIRESTRAITS Principle: "When you can not produce a substantive response, fall back on personal insults and vague peripheral subject matter."
Condie is getting a bit needy in his continuing mental decline. Every poster on this forum is free to post or nor post what they wish within bounds of the moderators. . We are not at the behest of an old proper grammarian. Anyone is free to rant and rave if we don't. That's your right. as well.
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If anyone is getting fuzzier by the day, it is YOU, Dire. Your facility for applying logic is fast escaping you. Just because I comment on the paucity of substance in some of your comments does not in any way equate to telling you what you may or may not post. I have nowhere challenged your or anyone's right to rant, rave or otherwise disport yourselves.
Less you forget, your own words, ""What ought to be embarrassing to YOU is your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above."
You insisted I should comment on private pensions, which wer part of your original thread, but only part. I chose to comment only on the public service pensions. Nowhere did I make the statement you accused my of "your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above." I made no such statement either implied or explicit. Perhaps, the little voices in your head told you otherwise.
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And NOW you have chosen to backtrack on your commitment "...not...to spend time on a [alleged] Medusa snake hairdo," and thus you have contrived to dodge my latest exposure of your silliness, namely the following:
"If anyone is getting fuzzier by the day, it is YOU, Dire. Your facility for applying logic is fast escaping you. Just because I comment on the paucity of substance in some of your comments does not in any way equate to telling you what you may or may not post. I have nowhere challenged your or anyone's right to rant, rave or otherwise disport yourselves."
Care to address that or will you backtrack further to dig up something to smokescreen further with?
Contendahh posted:direstraits posted:Contendahh posted:direstraits posted:Contendahh posted:The DIRESTRAITS Principle: "When you can not produce a substantive response, fall back on personal insults and vague peripheral subject matter."
Condie is getting a bit needy in his continuing mental decline. Every poster on this forum is free to post or nor post what they wish within bounds of the moderators. . We are not at the behest of an old proper grammarian. Anyone is free to rant and rave if we don't. That's your right. as well.
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If anyone is getting fuzzier by the day, it is YOU, Dire. Your facility for applying logic is fast escaping you. Just because I comment on the paucity of substance in some of your comments does not in any way equate to telling you what you may or may not post. I have nowhere challenged your or anyone's right to rant, rave or otherwise disport yourselves.
Less you forget, your own words, ""What ought to be embarrassing to YOU is your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above."
You insisted I should comment on private pensions, which wer part of your original thread, but only part. I chose to comment only on the public service pensions. Nowhere did I make the statement you accused my of "your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above." I made no such statement either implied or explicit. Perhaps, the little voices in your head told you otherwise.
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And NOW you have chosen to backtrack on your commitment "...not...to spend time on a [alleged] Medusa snake hairdo," and thus you have contrived to dodge my latest exposure of your silliness, namely the following:
"If anyone is getting fuzzier by the day, it is YOU, Dire. Your facility for applying logic is fast escaping you. Just because I comment on the paucity of substance in some of your comments does not in any way equate to telling you what you may or may not post. I have nowhere challenged your or anyone's right to rant, rave or otherwise disport yourselves."
Care to address that or will you backtrack further to dig up something to smokescreen further with?
Do you even fathom the nonsense you're spouting? I'm done.
direstraits posted:Contendahh posted:direstraits posted:Contendahh posted:direstraits posted:Contendahh posted:The DIRESTRAITS Principle: "When you can not produce a substantive response, fall back on personal insults and vague peripheral subject matter."
Condie is getting a bit needy in his continuing mental decline. Every poster on this forum is free to post or nor post what they wish within bounds of the moderators. . We are not at the behest of an old proper grammarian. Anyone is free to rant and rave if we don't. That's your right. as well.
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If anyone is getting fuzzier by the day, it is YOU, Dire. Your facility for applying logic is fast escaping you. Just because I comment on the paucity of substance in some of your comments does not in any way equate to telling you what you may or may not post. I have nowhere challenged your or anyone's right to rant, rave or otherwise disport yourselves.
Less you forget, your own words, ""What ought to be embarrassing to YOU is your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above."
You insisted I should comment on private pensions, which wer part of your original thread, but only part. I chose to comment only on the public service pensions. Nowhere did I make the statement you accused my of "your warped implicit notion that because public pensions have been under-funded and mismanaged, that somehow makes it okay to further damage the fortunes of public--and private-- employees by the measures now being proposed, as described above." I made no such statement either implied or explicit. Perhaps, the little voices in your head told you otherwise.
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And NOW you have chosen to backtrack on your commitment "...not...to spend time on a [alleged] Medusa snake hairdo," and thus you have contrived to dodge my latest exposure of your silliness, namely the following:
"If anyone is getting fuzzier by the day, it is YOU, Dire. Your facility for applying logic is fast escaping you. Just because I comment on the paucity of substance in some of your comments does not in any way equate to telling you what you may or may not post. I have nowhere challenged your or anyone's right to rant, rave or otherwise disport yourselves."
Care to address that or will you backtrack further to dig up something to smokescreen further with?
Do you even fathom the nonsense you're spouting? I'm done.
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You have been done a long time; you just didn't comprehend it.