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IMMEDIATELY, before all of the family members were even notified about the deaths in Libya this morning, Romney is blaming it on Obama. He claims Obama doesn't have enough foreign policy experience, even though neither he nor his VP pick have ANY foreign policy experience whatsoever. And his lack of tact and good taste in turning this into something political show that he is in no way ready nor qualified to hold the highest office in the land.

 

Obama's dignified way of handling Romney's attack by refusing to even respond to it makes me respect him more than ever.

 

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Wow! It is amazing how two people could have totally oppisite views on a subject. This is just another disasterous link in the incompenent Obama presidential chain. He came into office with absolutely no experience on anything but community organization. He never even had a job to my knowledge and now he is trying to run this country. It is not all his falult though. Somebody had to elect him and it is those people who have forced the rest of the country to suffer the disasterous consequences.

You do know I respect your opinion O No and I know many do not like Romney but for a moment consider one aspect about President Obama.  Surely you and others as well as Obama himself know that a major part of being President (part of the job description so to say) is keeping our Country and it's citizens safe and part of that is being up to speed constantly as to what dangers are going on daily and that is done, as has been for every President except Obama, at the beginning of each day in the Intelligence briefings.  As in another post of mine on this forum Obama has been cited as missing a large number of those briefings and from my link in this post he has not had one in the last week, leading up to 9/11.

 

Even Obama's supporters or anyone should be alarmed at this lack of concern and obvious failure at doing that part of the job revealed by a willing desire and lack of being at and a part of these meetings.

 

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-P...fore-Embassy-Attacks

 

This is where the most up to date information about threats and changes in the World are covered and notice provided to the President.  I have no doubt (at least in my mind) had Bush performed to the level that Obama is performing to in this area alone, and the attacks happened that the media and Congress would be clambering for impeachment saying he wasn't doing his job and saying that it could have been prevented and foreseen.   At the very least do you or others not think it would have been prudent and wise to increase security at all our embassies right before the September 11th date? 

 

I heard what Romney said and I also read the statement put out by our Cairo embassy and I'm sorry but it seems that our media and Obama himself is reserving far more criticism toward Romney than those who attacked and are still attacking America today.  Politics can get nasty but failure to do your job is not a part of Politics and Obama should have been a part of these daily briefings when they are central to our national interest and are a part of being President. 

 

Regarding Romney's statements I would expect any Presidential Candidate, at this point, to make a statement about such attacks but giving the benefit of the doubt I'm curious just what about what Romney said do you consider to be offensive or wrong?

One other point about this that should concern EVERY citizen no matter their political leanings.  Our media should be there as a catch all and as a force to hold any President accountable for his Job Performance and actions.  NOWHERE has the media seemingly made a big to do about the country being attacked (embassy's are sovereign US territory) and at that same time there being a weeks lapse between the attack and when our President was briefed on intelligence matters. 

 

Had this been Bush surely anyone with an honest bone in their bodies would admit that the media and most outlets for news would be excoriating the President over not attending the daily Intelligence briefings alone and surely about missing them for up to a week before such an attack.  Yet you don't hear anything about this or even a question from the media about it and that, at least to me, is scary and frightening for they are the one area of our Society that can keep the President straight and accountable to the people.  A free press is essential to our freedoms but one that is not in the pocket of a President or Party is a part of being free, and unbiased.  When you lose that unbiased aspect and when you can no longer trust the media then that sets up, what I believe and consider, is a very serious situation that can have disastrous ramifications.

 

I suggest it's time for our media to start being as critical toward Obama as they would have been and were regarding Bush.  A President's political leanings (Democrat/Republican ... Liberal/Democrat) should have nothing to do with how the media covers the job they do.  The media should not be biased one direction or the other in order to remain credible in the eyes of it's viewers yet today, more than at any other time, do we have skepticism for our media outlets and at no other time have more people thought of media outlets as attempting to create news verses reporting it.

 

O No don't want you to feel you are being beat up on here by the number of negative Obama comments but as a Citizen surely would you ask yourself one question.   Do you want the person that has control of our Nuclear Weapons, who has decision making ability to attack others or protect our nation from attack, do you want this person being uninformed and have a lack of desire to make the very meetings that by their nature serve to inform him, or whoever it is, of the events around the World that can present dangers to our nation and our world?   Do you want this person who has this decision making ability to be someone who is continuously up to date and current on Intel reports or a week behind?    Are you not the least bit concerned that something requiring immediate decisions might have to be put off until our President is brought up to speed when he should be up to speed daily?  Maybe I'm just making too much of this but it highly concerns and bothers me.

 

And his lack of tact and good taste in turning this into something political show that he is in no way ready nor qualified to hold the highest office in the land.

 

It IS political. Obama was not, is not, and never will be qualified to be president.  But, don't let that stop you from reelecting the most inexperienced man ever for the office.

Romney ain't great, but Obama is more concerned with his own image than the country and he shows that daily.

If he had any balls, he would kick the UN out of NY, get the US out of the UN and tell all the foreign diplomats to come home.  You want the US's help in something?  COME HERE and ask for it nicely and don't expect any more money and freebies from the US.

Read the article again.

 

 Romney didn't even have all of the information. He went off half -c o c k e d, claiming Obama's response was to the attack, when the statement he called "apologetic" (which it wasn't) was to Egypt's statement. Romney admitted he had no intelligence briefings but was relying on news reports. What he said was totally inappropriate.

 

How could Obama be more inexperienced in foreign policy than Romney and Ryan? Obama went IN with no experience so he chose a VP with PLENTY of experience. And after four years in office, he has  experience now. Romney and Ryan have NONE between them.

 

Romney is so desperate for votes that he tried to turn this tragic event into a political opportunity. Even all of the other high level Repubs see that he made a mistake in speaking the way he did.

 

Read the article again.

Originally Posted by Crumbpicker:

And his lack of tact and good taste in turning this into something political show that he is in no way ready nor qualified to hold the highest office in the land.

 

It IS political. Obama was not, is not, and never will be qualified to be president.  But, don't let that stop you from reelecting the most inexperienced man ever for the office.

Romney ain't great, but Obama is more concerned with his own image than the country and he shows that daily.

If he had any balls, he would kick the UN out of NY, get the US out of the UN and tell all the foreign diplomats to come home.  You want the US's help in something?  COME HERE and ask for it nicely and don't expect any more money and freebies from the US.

I am certainly no expert or a diplomat but as a citizen I believe that our (US) response should be one of overwhelming force and action in response.  ANYONE around the world should expect to be hit and hit with extreme prejudice if they attack our country or anyone in our country like was done.  Consider the response of Israel in history to attacks on them.  It's not tit-for-tat but it's you hit us we are going to crush you.  You take two of ours we are going to destroy ten of yours and take five more to play with.  It isn't our good intentions that stop an attack on our nation through history but it's been our overwhelming military force and threat of response that has kept us safe but not just it's presence it's been the sure resolve to use that force immediately.  


Today the FEAR resides in Washington and the FEAR is seemingly not to infuriate or offend Muslims.  Lets show them we are their friends and they won't attack us.  Who is responsible for that feeling?  History teaches us many things but one is that overwhelming FORCE defeats force.  I may have missed that history class but can anyone tell me where a war has been won or someone persuaded not to attack because of someone's good will?  I say let the SEALs and RANGERS do our talking and obliterate not only the people that did this but their Mosque and homes and those of the people that helped them.   STOP the Aid and no more money to these nations until they present us with the offenders to be killed or tried then killed for their actions and attacks.  These brain dead people do what they are told so it's not just them it's who told them to attack and do this.  Until you instill the FEAR OF GOD into our enemies of attacking us we will never be safe. 


What's sad is how much our Government tries to keep offending Muslims yet doesn't care to force the Catholic Church and it's extensions to provide contraceptive care which goes against their beliefs. Case in point!  Our Government is SCARED and lives in FEAR of the Muslims where as the passive Christians and Catholics they know will be no threat to them so they will do as they will to them.  .  

Originally Posted by O No!:

Read the article again.

 

 Romney didn't even have all of the information. He went off half -c o c k e d, claiming Obama's response was to the attack, when the statement he called "apologetic" (which it wasn't) was to Egypt's statement. Romney admitted he had no intelligence briefings but was relying on news reports. What he said was totally inappropriate.

 

How could Obama be more inexperienced in foreign policy than Romney and Ryan? Obama went IN with no experience so he chose a VP with PLENTY of experience. And after four years in office, he has  experience now. Romney and Ryan have NONE between them.

 

Romney is so desperate for votes that he tried to turn this tragic event into a political opportunity. Even all of the other high level Repubs see that he made a mistake in speaking the way he did.

 

Read the article again.

First of all my apologies for all the post on this topic but just hit my soap box wrong.   As for Romney's assertions here is what I took from it and maybe I took it wrong but surely I did take it differently than you did O No.    What I took was that Romney blamed Obama by extension.  The statement concerning apology was directed solely to the memo put out by Cairo's embassy which was about offending people of Muslim faith.  That memo to me seemed apologetic so I can see why Romney would say so.  Romney applied that to Obama because as President Obama assigns the people to the positions of authority at the Embassies and each Embassy represents the US and by virtue of the position represents Obama. 

 

I may be wrong but the way I took it was that Romney blamed Obama by Proxy rather than directly saying the words came from Obama's mouth.  He was saying that it came from Obama's representatives therefore should be considered as coming from Obama if Obama didn't openly reject and retract it.  At least it's the Cairo Embassy memo that I took Romney was attacking and not the President directly but I fully admit I could have interpreted it wrong myself.

 

As for jumping the gun or saying something without the facts my particular opinion on this is that Romney had just as many facts as Obama if not more.  I assume (and yes it is an assumption) that Romney got his info from the press and media and that was that American Embassies (American Soil) was overrun and attacked, Americans died in the attack, a statement was put out by our Cairo Embassy which did seem to apologize to Muslim people for things someone expressing their freedom to speak in America might have said while expressing their first amendment rights.  Obama on the other hand hasn't had an National intelligence briefing in over a week, or he hasn't attended the meetings for that express purpose so one can assume that Obama was also informed by the news media rather than our own intelligence people.  Romney and Obama quite likely found out by the same sources then. 

 

Romney's response I thought was appropriate in condemning the actions but yes I admit I am biased somewhat so I'm curious as to just what Romney said is so offensive and dangerous?  I'm curious as to what about what Romney said is wrong?   I did hear the Administration (Obama/Clinton) speaking highly of some Libyan and Egyptian people trying to protect our people but then wonder was these people they are praising ... did they reveal where our diplomats were kept and taken to for protection?  In other words were we praising the very people that revealed the location of the people that ended up getting killed?   WE just don't know yet.

The attack was not by a country, but by a bunch who was offended by a MOVIE. You have said that if it had been Bush who didn't listen to intelligence and try to stop this attack, we would blame Bush. Um, do you remember 11 years and one day ago? Bush had MUCH more warning that those attacks on 9/11 were coming than Obama did that these radicals responding to a MOVIE were going to attack.

 

And Romney trying to turn this into political gain IS inappropriate. Tell me, what has his trash talking accomplished other than making himself look like a desperate politician? Not a statesman. Not presidential material. Just a business man trying to tell us how bad the other guy is and failing to show us any good reason why HE would be a better choice.

 

So what foreign policy credentials does Romney have? Let's see, he went to England and insulted the English. He went to Israel and insulted the Palistinians. And wasn't it just yesterday that he claimed that RUSSIA is our number one enemy?

 

As Crusty said, the guy is clueless. Totally out of touch with reality. Totally lacking in dignity. Tactless. Without the ability to open his mouth without putting his foot in it. I never thought we could ever have a president who was worse than Bush, but if this clown gets in, he WILL be worse than Bush. If this clown gets in, God help us all!

http://andrewsullivan.thedaily...-for-government.html

 

The obvious responsible thing to do when American citizens and public officials are under physical threat abroad and when the details are unknown, and events spiraling, is to stay silent. If the event happens on the day of September 11 and you are a candidate for president and have observed a political truce, all the more reason to wait to allow the facts to emerge. After all, country before party, right? American lives are at stake, yes? An easy call, no?

 

But that's not what the Romney camp did. What they did was seize on a tweet issued by someone in the US Embassy before the attacks in order to indict the president for "sympathizing" with those who murdered a US ambassador after the attacks. Unbelievable. Here's the embassy statement from earlier in the day that set off the neocons:

The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.

The statement came from someone in the embassy, and was not formally issued by the State Department or the White House, both of which have subsequently disavowed the tweet for not also defending absolute freedom of speech. The facts were still murky last night. But the Romney campaign immediately tried to shoe-horn yesterday's fog of mob violence into the "apology" rubric Romney loves so much. The Priebus tweet is disgusting. The first Romney statement is no better:

“I’m outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi. It’s disgraceful that the Obama administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”

That's untrue. The Obama administration did not issue the tweet, which was, in any case, tweeted before the attacks, not after. Today, Romney doubled down on these two obvious misstatements:

“We join together in the condemnation of attacks on the American embassies and the loss of American life and join in sympathy for these people. It’s also important for me — just as it was for the White House, last night by the way — to say that the statements were inappropriate, and in my view a disgraceful statement on the part of our administration to apologize for American values...

A brief moment of digression: the White House disowned a statement it itself did not release - but is then equally responsible for the tweet itself? The mind boggles. Thenthis, apparently, is an apology for American values:

Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.

I'm a free speech absolutist - but I'm not an anti-religion absolutist. I think a little respect for religions we don't share is something most Americans would think is precisely an American value. I can see why there should have been a defense of the free speech of Terry Jones in that tweet in principle - and there is: "the universal right of free speech." Does Romney think the administration should have defended the film itself? Does Romney?

 

Of course, sitting in my blogging chair on the Cape, I can demand as radical a defense of blasphemy and hate speech as Romney can. But I was not inside an embassy in a foreign country as mob violence was building outside and as the US government was being conflated entirely with a bigoted anti-Muslim fanatic. And practically speaking, the embassy was trying to calm a situation, not inflame it. And diplomacy in the real world, where American lives are at stake, can necessitate such frustrating but necessary nuances. But such nuances are lost on Romney, as is, it seems, the basic notion of agency and responsibility:

The president takes responsibility not just for the words that come from his mouth but also for the words that come from his ambassadors from his administration, from his embassies, from the State Department. They clearly sent mixed messages to the world, and the statement that came from the administration, and the embassy is the administration. The statement that came from the administration was a statement which is akin to apology and I think was a severe miscalculation.

So the president of the US is directly, personally responsible for a lone tweet designed to calm a dangerous situation - and this other person's tweet is then described as a "severe miscalculation" by the president and "akin to an apology." Well: you try to figure the logic out. Then this outreach from his senior foreign policy spokesman, Rich Williamson:

Tuesday night, while the attacks were still ongoing, Williamson said that the governments in Egypt and Libya as well as the Obama administration bear responsibility for the deteriorating security environment that led to the attacks.

 

"The events in Egypt and Libya show the failure of the Egyptian and Libyan governments to uphold their obligations to keep our diplomatic missions safe and secure and the regard in which the United States is held under President Obama in these two countries," he said. "It's all part of a broader scheme of the president's failure to be an effective leader for U.S. interests in the Middle East."

My italics. These people are simply unfit for the responsibility of running the United States. The knee-jerk judgments, based on ideology not reality; the inability to back down when you have said something obviously wrong; and the attempt to argue that the president of the US actually sympathized with those who murdered his own ambassador in Benghazi: these are disqualifying instincts for someone hoping to be the president of the US. Disqualifying.

I have never seen a President that does not take responsibility for things that go on in his Administration as bad as this President. Don't blame me, is all he can say. He is at the top of the ladder but keeps urinating down the side of the ladder saying is somebody else's fault. He is neither Leader of Follower but simply a talking head in the news.

Originally Posted by Crumbpicker:

And his lack of tact and good taste in turning this into something political show that he is in no way ready nor qualified to hold the highest office in the land.

 

It IS political. Obama was not, is not, and never will be qualified to be president.  But, don't let that stop you from reelecting the most inexperienced man ever for the office.

Romney ain't great, but Obama is more concerned with his own image than the country and he shows that daily.

If he had any balls, he would kick the UN out of NY, get the US out of the UN and tell all the foreign diplomats to come home.  You want the US's help in something?  COME HERE and ask for it nicely and don't expect any more money and freebies from the US.

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<h6 class="uiStreamMessage userContentWrapper" data-ft="{"type":1,"tn":"K"}">Isn't it amusing to listen to dimocraps whining because Conservatives are pointing out the inconvenient truths about their dude, obowelmovement. It's the very same dimocraps who for 8 years called George Bush; hitler, devil, satan, ****, dressed up mannequins to look like Bush and hanged them and burned them. To them that wasn't as bad as Conservatives pointing out that obowelmovement STILL CAN'T produce a certified birth certificate, STILL CAN'T open his college records, STILL CAN'T admit he's a muslim, STILL CAN'T ADMIT his political persuasion is communism..... etc. Filthy people. YUCK!
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Shew!  I don't even know where to begin.  First, let me say "Obummer turns my stomach!" and has for more than four years now.  I could go on and on but I won't - it would only be a waste of my time as the Dems absolutely refuse to see the writing on the wall.  Second, the wonderful people who have any COMMON SENSE about them (read Republicans) have said all that is necessary in this thread.  Third, did you happen to hear the open mic of the reporters going over their game plan to make Romney say that he regretted his statements about the attack?  Were they worried that the attack even took place, or that American lives were lost, or if the (pitiful excuse for a) president should be held accountable for his actions - or lack of?  No.  They were just worried about playing "gotcha" with Romney.  Really?  The media and so many Americans have been blindsided, brainwashed, or whatever by all this crap that it is really frightening.  It literally turns my stomach and scares me to death to think what has happened to our country and furthermore what COULD happen if "he" gets back in office.  Seriously people. 

gbrk sez:


"I am certainly no expert or a diplomat but as a citizen I believe that our (US) response should be one of overwhelming force and action in response.  ANYONE around the world should expect to be hit and hit with extreme prejudice if they attack our country or anyone in our country like was done."


Bold words, but this country can not respond with "overwhelming force and action" or with "extreme prejudice" without identifying those who have committed the offense to which we are responding. The Libyans who murdered our embassy people are apparently from a radical Islamist sector of that nation's populace, and most definitely NOT from the government of Libya.  Once they are identified (if indeed it is even possible to identify them) then give 'em hell, but the task will not be easy.

Originally Posted by Contendah:

gbrk sez:


"I am certainly no expert or a diplomat but as a citizen I believe that our (US) response should be one of overwhelming force and action in response.  ANYONE around the world should expect to be hit and hit with extreme prejudice if they attack our country or anyone in our country like was done."


Bold words, but this country can not respond with "overwhelming force and action" or with "extreme prejudice" without identifying those who have committed the offense to which we are responding. The Libyans who murdered our embassy people are apparently from a radical Islamist sector of that nation's populace, and most definitely NOT from the government of Libya.  Once they are identified (if indeed it is even possible to identify them) then give 'em hell, but the task will not be easy.

My statement about force and overwhelming force is more a hope than a criticism for as you allude to the identities have not been made yet and they may never be.  I fully expect that some within the current Libyan government are fully at fault and have their fingerprints all over this.  The attackers knew where the locations were that the people were taken to and it didn't take long for them to know in fact I suspect they knew ahead of time and it was part of their planning.  

 

Now lets see how the Obama Administration reacts to this.  Will he do as Reagan or as Carter?  I am certainly not calling for the death of innocent people but terrorist also should be aware that if they are guilty and attack us and then hide amongst their family that they are sentencing their family to death in doing so.  In other words if they are hiding in a Mosque then level the Mosque if they are in a house then level the house but find them wherever they are and dispatch them as well as their leaders and yet it does take time but be resolute in your actions.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

While presidential hopeful Romney MAY LACK TACT, the current POS in the WH LACKS BACKBONE to stand up for America.  B.O. will go down in history as 'The Great Apologist'.

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Not only did Obama miss a week of National Security Briefing Meetings prior to the embassy attack and the date 9/11 but now many reports come out that there were warnings issued by Egypt's government and others that the attacks were coming.  Yet NO beefed up security, no additional troops and worse no LIVE Ammunition was allowed in the guard's guns.  What could be more incompetent?

 

There is a concerted and determined effort by the Democratic Committee and the Administration to try and tell you why Romney shouldn't be elected but they cannot tout ANY Achievements on their part with regards to the Economy, Unemployment, Fuel prices, and now we find out that the Administration is Totally inept and blind when it comes to National Security and protecting our Embassies and Americans in the field.  WHAT NEXT?  Florida or our own homeland?   At least under Bush there were NO attacks on our property or Embassies or people.  At least Bush made the National Security Briefings.  I dare to say, although I cannot prove it, that Obama played Golf more than he attended the National Security Briefings.  Given what has just happened and the state of the Economy how can any rational person think or say Obama deserves Re-Election?

 

This guy and his Administration is a complete FAILURE in the Economy and now in Foreign Policy and protecting our Nation's representatives overseas.  What next are we going to see smoke rising again from New York and from Washington or other Cities yet there will be people voting that don't care one bit about what all has happened and what all has not happened solely due to the current Administration.  It is truly time for another CHANGE. 

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