the way that I heard this it was not one woman suing the dept.for twenty million dollars but it was four women suing for five millions each.
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Is there a link?
What is R'ville PD?
I guess we can got with the assumption that he's either talking about Rogersville or Russellvile??
quote:Originally posted by BFred07:
I guess we can got with the assumption that he's either talking about Rogersville or Russellvile??
and they are miles apart!
Cops, they're nothin' but crooks.
quote:Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
Cops, they're nothin' but crooks.
Opie, I'm Curious why you appear to hate any and all cops. Did you have a traumatic experience recently? Did you feel you were wronged somehow? Fill us in.
quote:Originally posted by dark dreamer:quote:Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
Cops, they're nothin' but crooks.
Opie, I'm Curious why you appear to hate any and all cops. Did you have a traumatic experience recently? Did you feel you were wronged somehow? Fill us in.
It isn't just cops. Opie hates everybody.
There has been another wowan who has added her name to the list that makes five, all seek 5 million dollars. just the tip of the iceberg.
quote:Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
It isn't just cops. Opie hates everybody.
I think you may be right.
quote:Originally posted by dark dreamer:quote:Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
It isn't just cops. Opie hates everybody.
I think you may be right.
Nope, never had any altercation with law enforcement at all. I just know how they're trained and how they operate, like Barney Fife they are completely focused on keeping the upper hand, right or wrong.
Cops alienate the public that they serve by treating all citizens as though they are guilty of something.
They inhibit people's right to unimpeded travel with roadblocks and fishing expeditions.
They routinely engage in illegal searches by making up things to fabricate probable cause and engage in interrogation without regard to Miranda rights.
The erosion of our freedoms and civil rights is a real thing and cops are the point men in that effort.
And finally, the glorification of Police is the Hallmark of a Fascist society. Let's face it, they're thick and poorly educated and not worthy of respect.
Well, alrighty then.
quote:Originally posted by dark dreamer:
Well, alrighty then.
Hey, you asked.
I agree with everything Opie said and then some.
I've never met a cop who wasn't an ego-driven, aggressively authoritarian bully, in addition to their defined roles as thugs paid to extort the public on behalf of local government under the letter of the "law."
And while I *have* had specifically bad experiences with police, I've not ONCE had a "good" experience with an officer.
I don't go out of my way to break laws or cause trouble; in fact I keep my head down and try to fly under the jackboots' radar. But the few incidental run-ins I've had with them have ranged anywhere from unpleasant to borderline horror movie material.
The only chance normal people have of self-defense in a conflict with an abusive officer is cowering and deference in the face of inhumane behavior that would never be tolerated by anyone not in a police uniform.
The fact that a cop would use his position to force himself upon, or at the very least, forcibly coerce prisoners into sexual acts against their will doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
If anything, it's simply more evidence to prove the power-drunk corrupt cop stereotype.
I've never met a cop who wasn't an ego-driven, aggressively authoritarian bully, in addition to their defined roles as thugs paid to extort the public on behalf of local government under the letter of the "law."
And while I *have* had specifically bad experiences with police, I've not ONCE had a "good" experience with an officer.
I don't go out of my way to break laws or cause trouble; in fact I keep my head down and try to fly under the jackboots' radar. But the few incidental run-ins I've had with them have ranged anywhere from unpleasant to borderline horror movie material.
The only chance normal people have of self-defense in a conflict with an abusive officer is cowering and deference in the face of inhumane behavior that would never be tolerated by anyone not in a police uniform.
The fact that a cop would use his position to force himself upon, or at the very least, forcibly coerce prisoners into sexual acts against their will doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
If anything, it's simply more evidence to prove the power-drunk corrupt cop stereotype.
quote:The fact that a cop would use his position to force himself upon, or at the very least, forcibly coerce prisoners into sexual acts against their will doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
You are right, a cop who uses his position for those acts is a scumbag. And my bet is most cops are just as disgusted with him as we are.
BUT - if those are the only type of officers you have experience with, then I can guess what side of the law you were on during that contact. Just like any other job, there are sorry people. For some reason, sorry people LOVE to enjoy misery of people who try to do the right thing. Do you think the good officers are proud of Hall, or defend his actions (if/when they are proven)? Do you think they don't want him punished? If so, you need to be on the right side of the law and get to the know the officers who care about doing their jobs and helping people. But like I said, I don't think you've been there before.
quote:Sez DN:I agree with everything Opie said and then some.
I've never met a cop who wasn't an ego-driven, aggressively authoritarian bully, in addition to their defined roles as thugs paid to extort the public on behalf of local government under the letter of the "law."
And while I *have* had specifically bad experiences with police, I've not ONCE had a "good" experience with an officer.
I don't go out of my way to break laws or cause trouble; in fact I keep my head down and try to fly under the jackboots' radar. But the few incidental run-ins I've had with them have ranged anywhere from unpleasant to borderline horror movie material.
The only chance normal people have of self-defense in a conflict with an abusive officer is cowering and deference in the face of inhumane behavior that would never be tolerated by anyone not in a police uniform.
The fact that a cop would use his position to force himself upon, or at the very least, forcibly coerce prisoners into sexual acts against their will doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
If anything, it's simply more evidence to prove the power-drunk corrupt cop stereotyp
Uhhh...I don't think this thread is about cops in Mexico...
Who do you cop haters propose to call when you are being threatened and need immideate help? Just like in every other profession, there are a few bad apples that give the rest of the group a bad name. I bet you could name several in your own line of business that give your business a bad name. With Pilati in Russellville we discovered that there is justice in our system, even for those no one would expect to be believed in court.
quote:Originally posted by Carol None:
Who do you cop haters propose to call when you are being threatened and need immideate help? Just like in every other profession, there are a few bad apples that give the rest of the group a bad name. I bet you could name several in your own line of business that give your business a bad name. With Pilati in Russellville we discovered that there is justice in our system, even for those no one would expect to be believed in court.
It's not a matter of "Bad people", but rather "Bad Training", which results in every one of them being lousy at their jobs.
We need less "Barneys" and more "Andys"
quote:We need less "Barneys" and more "Andys"
There are more "Andys" than "Barneys", I assure you. And even your comparison is comical, because the "Barney" you seem to be enamored with wouldn't have hurt a flea.
I don't think "Barney" or "Andy" would have been very impressed with you anyway.
YEp, even ol Barney took his job seriously and tried to be a good officer.
quote:Originally posted by justwannaknow:quote:We need less "Barneys" and more "Andys"
There are more "Andys" than "Barneys", I assure you.
Why do I not feel reassured?
quote:Originally posted by dark dreamer:quote:Originally posted by Opie Cunningham:
Cops, they're nothin' but crooks.
Opie, I'm Curious why you appear to hate any and all cops. Did you have a traumatic experience recently? Did you feel you were wronged somehow? Fill us in.
He's just a troll looking to start an argument. He doesn't believe in anything.
quote:quote:
Originally posted by justwannaknow:
quote:
We need less "Barneys" and more "Andys"
There are more "Andys" than "Barneys", I assure you.
Why do I not feel reassured?
I don't really care if you feel reassured or not. Matter of fact, I hope you don't bother to call 911 or any other service agency numbers because you definitely don't deserve anybody's protection, assistance or compassion.
You do succeed in one endeavor, however - you make me appreciate people who try to work, play, and leave the world a better place instead of the world you choose to live in. Must be a sad place, sucks to be you.
quote:Originally posted by justwannaknow:quote:quote:
Originally posted by justwannaknow:
quote:
We need less "Barneys" and more "Andys"
There are more "Andys" than "Barneys", I assure you.
Why do I not feel reassured?
I don't really care if you feel reassured or not. Matter of fact, I hope you don't bother to call 911 or any other service agency numbers because you definitely don't deserve anybody's protection, assistance or compassion.
You do succeed in one endeavor, however - you make me appreciate people who try to work, play, and leave the world a better place instead of the world you choose to live in. Must be a sad place, sucks to be you.
What does a citizen have to do to "deserve" protection and assistance?
quote:Originally posted by CageTheElephant:quote:Sez DN:I agree with everything Opie said and then some.
Uhhh...I don't think this thread is about cops in Mexico...
Well, actually this was Huntsville, but apparently the consensus here is that everyone who has a legitimate gripe with our white knight policemen must have been doing something wrong to deserve the treatment they got.
Except I didn't.
A few years ago a Huntsville cop, who I assume had been waiting in the dark to catch speeders up on the north end of the parkway, pulled me and my girlfriend over at around 2 AM for quite literally no reason whatsoever except we were the only car on the road.
He ordered me out of my car and threw me in the back of his patrol car, threatened to "lose" my license, throw me in jail, and leave my "pretty little girlfriend" to freeze on the side of the road, saying "Boy, she'd never know what happened to you."
He said he could make up a dozen charges on the spot, but he was going to settle for writing me a ticket for running a stop sign, (which I hadn't done) and told me he didn't want to see me out on the road again that night, because if he did it would end badly for me AND my GF.
I was terrified for our well-being, sick with fear and helplessness. I didn't quesiton him, I didn't antagonize him, I just wanted to get away with my head intact. I had no choice but to pay the ticket and go to traffic school -- it was my word against the cop's, and we both knew it. No one would have believed me.
For what it's worth, I registered a complaint with the HPD documenting the encounter, but there's really nothing else I could do -- especially against a bully cop who gets his kicks threatening people.
It was exactly the sort of encounter everyone is afraid of but no one believes actually happens.
So yeah, feel free to go on believing that it can't happen, until one day it'll happen to you and no one will believe you either.
quote:Originally posted by Dinglenugget:quote:Originally posted by CageTheElephant:quote:Sez DN:I agree with everything Opie said and then some.
Uhhh...I don't think this thread is about cops in Mexico...
Well, actually this was Huntsville, but apparently the consensus here is that everyone who has a legitimate gripe with our white knight policemen must have been doing something wrong to deserve the treatment they got.
Except I didn't.
A few years ago a Huntsville cop, who I assume had been waiting in the dark to catch speeders up on the north end of the parkway, pulled me and my girlfriend over at around 2 AM for quite literally no reason whatsoever except we were the only car on the road.
He ordered me out of my car and threw me in the back of his patrol car, threatened to "lose" my license, throw me in jail, and leave my "pretty little girlfriend" to freeze on the side of the road, saying "Boy, she'd never know what happened to you."
He said he could make up a dozen charges on the spot, but he was going to settle for writing me a ticket for running a stop sign, (which I hadn't done) and told me he didn't want to see me out on the road again that night, because if he did it would end badly for me AND my GF.
I was terrified for our well-being, sick with fear and helplessness. I didn't quesiton him, I didn't antagonize him, I just wanted to get away with my head intact. I had no choice but to pay the ticket and go to traffic school -- it was my word against the cop's, and we both knew it. No one would have believed me.
For what it's worth, I registered a complaint with the HPD documenting the encounter, but there's really nothing else I could do -- especially against a bully cop who gets his kicks threatening people.
It was exactly the sort of encounter everyone is afraid of but no one believes actually happens.
So yeah, feel free to go on believing that it can't happen, until one day it'll happen to you and no one will believe you either.
Thanks for sharing, I suspect yours is a more common story than we'd like to imagine. I've been impeded by cops for no reason myself, the douche even admitted he was fishing for drunk drivers, after lying about why he pulled me over.
quote:Sez Opie: Thanks for sharing, I suspect yours is a more common story than we'd like to imagine. I've been impeded by cops for no reason myself, the douche even admitted he was fishing for drunk drivers, after lying about why he pulled me over.
Opie, I know you may feel it was unjust, but think about it. The cop was only looking out for your safety...after all, you could have been killed driving your "car" on a busy highway...
DN, you seem like an educated and rather smart person. I respect your story. I believe everything you say. However, I do not believe that THE SORRY COP who treated you that way is the norm for officers in Huntsville or anywhere else. I do believe that people who get mistreated by an officer number no more than people who are mistreated by customer service reps, salesmen, insurance agents, cafeteria workers, etc. Get my point? NO PROFESSION/JOB is guaranteed to have every person do their job perfectly.
I can promise you though, those who chose crime as their profession are much less trustworthy and concerned about your rights and freedom than 95% of the police officers who work every day to give us a safe place to live.
As for the 5% of sorry cops, they will get busted. Nobody hates a sorry cop more than a good officer trying to do his/her job well and with respect to others.
I can promise you though, those who chose crime as their profession are much less trustworthy and concerned about your rights and freedom than 95% of the police officers who work every day to give us a safe place to live.
As for the 5% of sorry cops, they will get busted. Nobody hates a sorry cop more than a good officer trying to do his/her job well and with respect to others.
quote:Originally posted by Dinglenugget:quote:Originally posted by CageTheElephant:quote:Sez DN:I agree with everything Opie said and then some.
Uhhh...I don't think this thread is about cops in Mexico...
Well, actually this was Huntsville, but apparently the consensus here is that everyone who has a legitimate gripe with our white knight policemen must have been doing something wrong to deserve the treatment they got.
Except I didn't.
A few years ago a Huntsville cop, who I assume had been waiting in the dark to catch speeders up on the north end of the parkway, pulled me and my girlfriend over at around 2 AM for quite literally no reason whatsoever except we were the only car on the road.
He ordered me out of my car and threw me in the back of his patrol car, threatened to "lose" my license, throw me in jail, and leave my "pretty little girlfriend" to freeze on the side of the road, saying "Boy, she'd never know what happened to you."
He said he could make up a dozen charges on the spot, but he was going to settle for writing me a ticket for running a stop sign, (which I hadn't done) and told me he didn't want to see me out on the road again that night, because if he did it would end badly for me AND my GF.
I was terrified for our well-being, sick with fear and helplessness. I didn't quesiton him, I didn't antagonize him, I just wanted to get away with my head intact. I had no choice but to pay the ticket and go to traffic school -- it was my word against the cop's, and we both knew it. No one would have believed me.
For what it's worth, I registered a complaint with the HPD documenting the encounter, but there's really nothing else I could do -- especially against a bully cop who gets his kicks threatening people.
It was exactly the sort of encounter everyone is afraid of but no one believes actually happens.
So yeah, feel free to go on believing that it can't happen, until one day it'll happen to you and no one will believe you either.
This is the stupidest unbelievable crap I have heard of!
quote:Originally posted by unclegus:quote:Originally posted by Dinglenugget:quote:Originally posted by CageTheElephant:quote:Sez DN:I agree with everything Opie said and then some.
Uhhh...I don't think this thread is about cops in Mexico...
Well, actually this was Huntsville, but apparently the consensus here is that everyone who has a legitimate gripe with our white knight policemen must have been doing something wrong to deserve the treatment they got.
Except I didn't.
A few years ago a Huntsville cop, who I assume had been waiting in the dark to catch speeders up on the north end of the parkway, pulled me and my girlfriend over at around 2 AM for quite literally no reason whatsoever except we were the only car on the road.
He ordered me out of my car and threw me in the back of his patrol car, threatened to "lose" my license, throw me in jail, and leave my "pretty little girlfriend" to freeze on the side of the road, saying "Boy, she'd never know what happened to you."
He said he could make up a dozen charges on the spot, but he was going to settle for writing me a ticket for running a stop sign, (which I hadn't done) and told me he didn't want to see me out on the road again that night, because if he did it would end badly for me AND my GF.
I was terrified for our well-being, sick with fear and helplessness. I didn't quesiton him, I didn't antagonize him, I just wanted to get away with my head intact. I had no choice but to pay the ticket and go to traffic school -- it was my word against the cop's, and we both knew it. No one would have believed me.
For what it's worth, I registered a complaint with the HPD documenting the encounter, but there's really nothing else I could do -- especially against a bully cop who gets his kicks threatening people.
It was exactly the sort of encounter everyone is afraid of but no one believes actually happens.
So yeah, feel free to go on believing that it can't happen, until one day it'll happen to you and no one will believe you either.
This is the stupidest unbelievable crap I have heard of!
I know, can you believe how bad cops are?
You'd think that with me living in the Huntsville area I'd have heard of the Huntsville cops doing this sort of thing. Funny I never have. So he was bored and just decided to stop you huh? Now I do hear tales of people being stopped for things they had done and the cops giving them a break, but not tales of bored cops just deciding to terrorize an innocent person because they were the only car on the road. The only car on the Parkway? Even at 2:00 am that doesn't seem right. Opie come on, we can tell by the way you post you didn't just sit quietly.
quote:Originally posted by Jennifer:
You'd think that with me living in the Huntsville area I'd have heard of the Huntsville cops doing this sort of thing. Funny I never have. So he was bored and just decided to stop you huh? Now I do hear tales of people being stopped for things they had done and the cops giving them a break, but not tales of bored cops just deciding to terrorize an innocent person because they were the only car on the road. The only car on the Parkway? Even at 2:00 am that doesn't seem right. Opie come on, we can tell by the way you post you didn't just sit quietly.
Is Opie and Dinglehead the same person? I guess so!
quote:Originally posted by CageTheElephant:quote:Sez Opie: Thanks for sharing, I suspect yours is a more common story than we'd like to imagine. I've been impeded by cops for no reason myself, the douche even admitted he was fishing for drunk drivers, after lying about why he pulled me over.
Opie, I know you may feel it was unjust, but think about it. The cop was only looking out for your safety...after all, you could have been killed driving your "car" on a busy highway...
LOL, Stop it cage, you're killing me. I read this last night and couldn't catch my breath I was laughing so hard.
Priceless.
quote:Originally posted by Jennifer:
You'd think that with me living in the Huntsville area I'd have heard of the Huntsville cops doing this sort of thing. Funny I never have. So he was bored and just decided to stop you huh? Now I do hear tales of people being stopped for things they had done and the cops giving them a break, but not tales of bored cops just deciding to terrorize an innocent person because they were the only car on the road. The only car on the Parkway? Even at 2:00 am that doesn't seem right. Opie come on, we can tell by the way you post you didn't just sit quietly.
I value my rights and am willing to fight for them.
quote:Originally posted by Carol None:
Who do you cop haters propose to call when you are being threatened and need immideate help? Just like in every other profession, there are a few bad apples that give the rest of the group a bad name. I bet you could name several in your own line of business that give your business a bad name. With Pilati in Russellville we discovered that there is justice in our system, even for those no one would expect to be believed in court.
Smith & Wesson?
quote:Originally posted by Jennifer:
You'd think that with me living in the Huntsville area I'd have heard of the Huntsville cops doing this sort of thing. Funny I never have. So he was bored and just decided to stop you huh? Now I do hear tales of people being stopped for things they had done and the cops giving them a break, but not tales of bored cops just deciding to terrorize an innocent person because they were the only car on the road. The only car on the Parkway? Even at 2:00 am that doesn't seem right. Opie come on, we can tell by the way you post you didn't just sit quietly.
You say you've never heard "tales of bored cops deciding to terrorize, etc"... but from the sound of things, you wouldn't believe them even if they told you, so what's the point?
I mean, you've just heard ONE such tale, and you choose to disbelieve it and belittle me instead. (a pretty common pastime around these forums it seems)
But for the sake of argument, perhaps the subset of the population you associate with has been lucky enough to stay under the radar.
I've never won a bingo game in my life, or a scratch-off lottery ticket, but I believe there are people who do.
So there may be genuinely good cops out there as well, but I've never encountered one. At best they've all been disillusioned and apathetic; at worst they've been abusive and threatening. That's my experience, whether you believe it or not.
I'm sorry you feel you have to distrust and insult others simply because what they say does not mesh with your preconceived notions of society, humanity, and authority.
quote:Originally posted by unclegus:quote:Originally posted by Jennifer:
You'd think that with me living in the Huntsville area I'd have heard of the Huntsville cops doing this sort of thing. Funny I never have. So he was bored and just decided to stop you huh? Now I do hear tales of people being stopped for things they had done and the cops giving them a break, but not tales of bored cops just deciding to terrorize an innocent person because they were the only car on the road. The only car on the Parkway? Even at 2:00 am that doesn't seem right. Opie come on, we can tell by the way you post you didn't just sit quietly.
Is Opie and Dinglehead the same person? I guess so!
Nope, sorry to say I am not anyone's sock puppet.
Just because someone agrees with someone else doesn't make them the same poster, and just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a troll.
I guess I can't really presume the cop's motivations in my case -- I can't imagine what was going through his head. Maybe he was bored and hoping to snag a drunk, maybe he was angry and looking to scare some kids, or maybe he was a sociopath low on his quota for the month. Who knows?
But as for the facts, I can only tell you what I know happened.
We were far, far north on parkway, where it passes the super Wal-mart and A&M. We had just gone through the late-night drive-thru at that Burger King and were on our way home, which was a bit further north.
We WERE the only car on the road -- no headlights visible in any direction, which is why it was so puzzling that we got pulled over at all. I didn't even see the cop until he turned on his lights.
I sat in the back of his patrol car, trying to imagine what he could have possibly pulled us over for; I had my license and insurance, no busted lights, I hadn't been drinking or speeding, not a criminal offense to my name, and yet there I was.
And then he started in on his tirade, and I realized there didn't have to BE a reason.
It's a sick, nauseous terror that creeps up on you when you discover that your naive trust in someone like the police -- the people you're told from childhood will always help you, always be on your side, always be the good guys -- is wrong.
The kicked dog, the beaten housewife, the molested child; their outlook towards their tormentor will never be the same no matter what.
That sort of trust, once grossly violated, never returns. Never.
Cops have made too many withdrawals from the trust bank. They'd better watch their step.