Sad Day for Girl Scouts

How very different from the Boy Scouts of America which is a religious organization.  Atheist boys are not welcome.

DF

As it should be. Heatherns can start their own club. 

Then winston, why can't you christians pay for it yourself? Why should you get federal funding? Looks like you wonderful godly people need us heathens.

Do the Boy Scouts receive federal funding? 

Yes winston, they get federal funding. And we heathens pay taxes.

Could you show us some reference to that claim? 

They have threatened to pull the funding because of the very thing we're discussing-the fact they discriminate.  Boy scout motto. "Go away ***s and atheists, but leave your money".

Guess the TD doesn't like the word G A Y S.

Again, can you show us some evidence that the Boy Scouts are supported by taxes? 

Show you evidence? Google it. Sheesh.

Sorry there is no evidence.

No Gov't. Funding at all for the Boy Scouts of America.

Here's the facts.

The National Council of the Boy Scouts of America is incorporated as a

501(c)(3)non-profit organizationand is funded from private donations, membership dues, corporate sponsors, and special events. No Government Funding.

Source: Better Business Bureau

The Man with the Facts,

Skippy

You don't have to take my word for anything at all. You can't search? The girl scouts get funding too.

Look at the post above your last one.

Again, can you produce any documentation about the GS?

We all have notions, but are they true? 

Are you daft?

Why do you ask? 

heh heh heh

October 22, 2010|By LZ Granderson, Special to CNN

also, it took me maybe 5 minutes to not only find that the boy scouts DO recieve funding fro mthe government, i also found out there are numerous lawsuits filed against the BSA and the government to stop the aforementioned funding of what it, underneath it all, a primarily religious organization.

my sources include FoxNews, CNN, the ACLU, huffpost, several wiki articles, someplace called secular.org, and perhaps a dozen or so more, that i'd also never heard of before.

you want proof, google it for yourself, why should we do your research for you, when you are the one who's claiming that it's false?

even if we take the yearly ' jamboree' alone, which are held on various government owned lands, typically army bases, without fees, we're talking about 5 or 6 digit numbers given in the free use of the land, not counting the tables, chairs and tents and whatnot.

When did that happen ?

When did the motto change from "be prepared" ?

when they found out what some of the boys were prepairing for.

I don't know how many alters this Jennifer person has, but I want to see a links to legitimate sources that state either the Boy or Girl Scouts are funded with tax money.

Don't want any more of this twisting and turning, want to see FACTS. 

as far as i know, jenn is just jenn. she's a sweet girl, but don't get her riled up

so go google it. "boy scouts government funding" or "boy scouts federal funding".

i did it. and found out i was right about what i already knew. do it yourself, or drop it, i'm not doing it for you.
i'll give you one little head start.

http://www.aclu.org/religion-b...protect-government-n

you're on your own for the rest of it.

The Boy Scouts do not receive Federal Funding .

Ah. sorry.

i'll go send a letter to CNN, fox news, the aclu, several courts where the trials are being held and let them all know they are wrong.

thanks for clearing it up.

i suppose they also have never thrown anyone out for being homosexual or athiest either. i'll let them know they were wrong about all that as well.

Well, Jenn may be a sweet girl, but if she can't back up her assertions with facts, I call BS.

Yes, letters would be a good thing, as there is NO GOVERNMENT FUNDING. Period.

And, I don't believe I said anything about homosexual, or atheist...BUT if you care to do research, you will find that as a PRIVATE organization, they can set the rules to whatever standards they want.

/sigh.

fine. ok, i agree about them setting their own standards. i disagree with those standards, but yes, as a private org they can set what they like.

but.. here's one example.



Critics of the Boy Scouts, like the American Civil Liberties Union, make one  strong argument against the organization's private status. The Boy Scouts enjoys  massive and unique tax-funded support from governments both local and federal.  On the local level, for example, the city of San Diego was targeted because it allowed the Boy Scouts'  headquarters to operate in a city-owned park for $1 per year and to use other  city-owned facilities without any rent.

On the federal level, the Pentagon provided an estimated $6 to $8 million from 1997 to 2001 to assist a Boy  Scouts Jamboree -- an event which is traditionally held on military bases.

Linda Hills of the ACLU aptly states, "The Boy Scouts can't have it both  ways…If they truly are a private religious organization, free to engage in any  form of discrimination they choose, then they are not entitled to a government  subsidy."

On June 22, U.S. District Judge Blanche Manning (Illinois) agreed. She ruled against continuing the Jamboree's subsidy and, so,  refused BSA continued access both to military bases and assistance such as  transportation.

On July 26, in a counter-move, the Senate unanimously voted for military  bases to continue hosting Boy Scouts events. (The relevant provision was part of S.1042, which will set Defense Department policy for  2006.)

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0...0.html#ixzz1MaDvnkV1

one from CNN

"Taxpayers also fund Boy Scout activities with serveral millions of dollars through military personnel, federal land use and other assistance. Tax payers doled out roughly 8 million for the 2005 Jamboree, held every 4 years."

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...ject-boy-scout-honor

I'm not sure what the true answer about Federal Funding is but Local Funding is NOT Federal Funding.  I suppose it could be manipulated and twisted into that Local Gov't receives County Funds and/or State Funds who receive Fed Funds, then Local Gov't gives away some of its' funds, therefore it is Federally Funded.  But if you view it this way, then you may owe money to Alabama Power vendors since you owe AP monthly and AP owes its' vendors monthly and they owe their vendors monthly, etc.  That logic wouldn't work with me.

11 million in federal funding for the Girl Scouts from 2000-2003.

http://www.girlscouts.org

If it isn't federal funding why would groups be after the federal government to stop the funding, and why would that upset the BS? Wouldn't they just shrug and say "we don't even get federal funding"? It doesn't matter how you slice it, they get federal funding.

In all honesty, I am against all Federal Funding of anything un-necessary.  Then comes the big old can of worms argument about what is necessary and what is not, which has a lot of gray in it.  Local Government can however do with their money as their majority constituents continue to allow.  You can't give me a gift and tell me how to spend it though.  You CAN give me a grant and tell me how to spend it, exactly.  I'm pretty much against most grants as well, but not all.  If a small town in Idaho can't fund, supervise, and maintain costs for a city park, why should taxpayers in Texas help out by being forced to use their credit cards.  If you can't afford it, you can't afford it.

Then let us consider whether the Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts are "faith based" organizations.  It would appear that those who object to the funding of these organizations, on grounds that they are religious organizations,  would necessarily have to classify them as "faith-based" organizations. I can think of no real  difference between being "faith-based" and being "religious."

Thus  the Catholic Church and its social service organizations are "faith-based" and "religious."  So are Protestant churches and the social service organizations they operate, including the Salvation Army, which is a church.  Same with Jews, Muslims, and any other religious organizations.  All of those religious groups have certain religious-based standards that they expect their members to observe under penalty of excommunication if they fail to comply.  A professing atheist can not, for example, live in good standing with the Catholic Church or a Baptist church. To the extent that the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts impose religious criteria as requirements for membership, they, too, are "faith-based" or "religious."

Thus, if the Boy/Girl Scouts are to be prohibited from receiving any form of government support on the basis that they "discriminate" against atheists, why should any of the other "faith-based" or "religious" organizations be afforded federal funding/assistance for the same reason?

To bring it to the local level, why should the Florence City Council annually appropriate money to the Salvation Army?  Those appropriations are made with the understanding that the funds will be used for a demonstrably good purpose--to help the needy with food,  shelter, clothing. Such work is inherently a part of the religious duty of the Salvation Army Church.  But the Salvation Army would not accept a professing atheist into its membership (should one for whatever reason desire to become a Salvationist). That being the case, should not the city or any other unit of government decline to grant public money to that church or any other church that intends to use such money in furtherance of its religious mission?

Something to think about.  Supporting or opposing views are invited.

The National Scout jamboree is a large gathering of Scouts held once every four years. Historically, jamborees were held in state and national parks like other groups' gatherings, but mutual concerns by BSA and the government over the environmental impact of 35,000 Scouts camping in heavily used public places led to a 1978 agreement to use infrequently used military facilities instead. The United States military uses the jamboree as a large scale training exercise for engineer, military police, and medical units.

The United States military uses the jamboree as a large scale training exercise for engineer, military police, and medical units.

The U.S. military has supported all 16 national Scout jamborees since 1937. Most of the approximately $50 million dollar jamboree expense is paid for by BSA and its participants.Most of the approximately $50 million dollar jamboree expense is paid for by BSA and its participants. About 1,500 troops and DOD contractors are involved during the four weeks of a national jamboree operation. About half of them are involved in military training operations and half are involved in military public relations activities oriented towards the participants and visitors. Total Defense Department funding for these training and public relations activities averages $8 million per jamboree. According to the government, "these funds were used to pay not only for services provided in support of the event itself, but also for the costs of transporting and billeting the population of soldiers brought to Fort A.P. Hill to perform services during the event."

Much of the issue was settled when, for other reasons, including more favorable summer climate, the ability to host a World Jamboree, and possible off year use as Scout High Adventure Base, BSA announced in May 2008 that it was looking for a different permanent location for the National Jamborees beginning with the one scheduled for 2013. A site was found at Fayette County, West Virginia on private land. To be called "The Summit: Bechtel Family National Scout Reserve. This site will host all future National Jamborees, as well as serving as the BSA's fourth high adventure base."^[5] However, future involvement of the military in supporting Jamborees at The Summit is likely due to the recruiting and training opportunity it affords them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winkler_v._Rumsfeld

Wouldn't you then be cutting off the helping hand that is helping the very community in question to start with?  If they are helping the needy with VOLUNTARY contributions, rather than by force, isn't the overall tax reduced somewhat.  Of course I am all for those that oppose your local gov't as you have the right to vote them out, but you will need a majority to do so, NOT a minority.  I don't want Federal Government spending MY money without MY permission, period.  I do however insist that my LOCAL Government spend MY (the local majority) money, the way I direct them to.  The Federal Government has no right to my money except for my fair share of necessary services.  The Local Government has an obligation to do as I (the majority) have directed them to do with my local tax money and WITHOUT the FEDGOV's input.

The Boy Scouts of America are also pushing an 'anti-gun' agenda, now.

LE, if they were helping everyone I'd have no problem. But to take tax dollars and then discriminate against people is wrong.

Boy, things sure have changed since I was a Brownie, many years ago.

Honestly, I thought it was common knowledge that atheist boys are not welcome in the BSA.  "...thrifty, clean, brave, reverent" and all that.  It's been in the courts for yonks.

Certain locals have started secular Scoutish clubs in response.  My BSA troop (Troop 72) met in a church, not that that is necessarily ****ing, but reflective.

FWIW, I support the BSA to exclude atheists.  It's their constitutional right.  The secular scouts can kick their aszes at knot-tying and woodcraft anyway!  LOL

DF