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Originally Posted by Jennifer:

LE, if they were helping everyone I'd have no problem. But to take tax dollars and then discriminate against people is wrong.


I agree with you if they do in fact receive direct Federal Funding.  If it is local funding, none of FEDGOV's business.  If they get free use of land, tables, and chairs for a weekend, that is not Federal Funding, it is nothing more than helping those who help others.  I have never seen a scout ask anyone their religious views or sexual orientation before handing out food to them.  Scouts are being used for a Political Battle to acheive something else in my opinion.  At the end of the day, most Scouts just wants to be Scouts and do what Scouts do, but leaders, groups, organizations, politicians, etc. want to use them for their agenda.  The Scouts give way more than they ever receive.

 

If they were taking from taxpayers and helping everyone, that is nothing more than re-distribution of wealth.  Anyway, I respect your opinion, just disagree sometimes.



However they get it they do get federal funding. What do you call the 7-8 million the government gives the scouts for their jamborees? Why are people working to stop that funding if it doesn't exist?  One alternative would be another federally funded scout organization that didn't exclude people for any reason. If the scouts are a private organization they should fund themselves like most other private organizations. I don't think anyone mentioned their discrimination when handing out food and other aid. (Although I'm sure it exists, because they all find a way to discriminate.) It's the open discrimination against people who want to join and be a part of that giving and helping people and are denied because of their non-belief or sexual preference that we're addressing.

 

Because a person is an atheist or homosexual doesn't mean they don't have the same care for their communities as anyone else, and usually more so. What is this attitude doing for scouts? It's showing them that it is fine to mistreat people different from them. What does that say to a young kid that wants to be a scout but can't because of this discrimination? It says he isn't as good in some way as the other boys. People constantly ask why atheists have a problem with religion, and then when they see examples of the problem they try to rationalize them, or say "that's what you get for not believing". In their mind it's perfectly fine to mistreat others in the name of their god. Oh and on a side note, thanks for being a mature person that can handle a difference of opinion without resorting to the "bitter, angry, blah blah argument". Some could learn from your example. 

Originally Posted by Jennifer:

However they get it they do get federal funding. What do you call the 7-8 million the government gives the scouts for their jamborees? Why are people working to stop that funding if it doesn't exist?  One alternative would be another federally funded scout organization that didn't exclude people for any reason. If the scouts are a private organization they should fund themselves like most other private organizations. I don't think anyone mentioned their discrimination when handing out food and other aid. (Although I'm sure it exists, because they all find a way to discriminate.) It's the open discrimination against people who want to join and be a part of that giving and helping people and are denied because of their non-belief or sexual preference that we're addressing.

 

Because a person is an atheist or homosexual doesn't mean they don't have the same care for their communities as anyone else, and usually more so. What is this attitude doing for scouts? It's showing them that it is fine to mistreat people different from them. What does that say to a young kid that wants to be a scout but can't because of this discrimination? It says he isn't as good in some way as the other boys. People constantly ask why atheists have a problem with religion, and then when they see examples of the problem they try to rationalize them, or say "that's what you get for not believing". In their mind it's perfectly fine to mistreat others in the name of their god. Oh and on a side note, thanks for being a mature person that can handle a difference of opinion without resorting to the "bitter, angry, blah blah argument". Some could learn from your example. 

 

 

 

 

 

Again...

The United States military uses the jamboree as a large scale training exercise for engineer, military police, and medical units.

The United States military uses the jamboree as a large scale training exercise for engineer, military police, and medical units.

 

The U.S. military has supported all 16 national Scout jamborees since 1937. Most of the approximately $50 million dollar jamboree expense is paid for by BSA and its participants.Most of the approximately $50 million dollar jamboree expense is paid for by BSA and its participants. About 1,500 troops and DOD contractors are involved during the four weeks of a national jamboree operation. About half of them are involved in military training operations and half are involved in military public relations activities oriented towards the participants and visitors. Total Defense Department funding for these training and public relations activities averages $8 million per jamboree. According to the government, "these funds were used to pay not only for services provided in support of the event itself, but also for the costs of transporting and billeting the population of soldiers brought to Fort A.P. Hill to perform services during the event."

 

I don't think anyone mentioned their discrimination when handing out food and other aid. (Although I'm sure it exists, because they all find a way to discriminate.)

There you go with that same old  "they all". You use that a lot. I'm sure you have facts to back that up?

 


 It's the open discrimination against people who want to join and be a part of that giving and helping people and are denied because of their non-belief or sexual preference that we're addressing.

 

It's THEIR club! Believe it or not, people can still form clubs consisting of PEOPLE OF THE SAME BACKGROUND, BELIEFS, etc. If other people don't like their policies...GUESS WHAT??? They can start there own club...Duh!

 

People constantly ask why atheists have a problem with religion, and then when they see examples of the problem they try to rationalize them, or say "that's what you get for not believing". In their mind it's perfectly fine to mistreat others in the name of their god.

 

This "victim" BS is old. In the real world MOST people could give a rats ass less whether your atheist or not.

Originally Posted by Jennifer:

 Oh and on a side note, thanks for being a mature person that can handle a difference of opinion without resorting to the "bitter, angry, blah blah argument". Some could learn from your example. 


Well we could start calling each other names, but then we wouldn't listen to each other anymore and would both miss an occasional point from the other that we might not have considered.  Neither of us is likely to change the other's mind, but then again this is all about tolerance, so it's hard to argue unless we all have some, I have found.

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Originally Posted by Jennifer:

You don't have to take my word for anything at all. You can't search? The girl scouts get funding too.


Hi Jennifer,

 

Since you make the claim -- it would seem to me that the burden of proof is on you.  If what you claim is true -- show us.  Otherwise, we must just assume it to be another atheist misdirection and possibly even a false statement.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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