Science, Atheist, Big Bang advocates overlook the most most practical.

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
And, no Conservative Christian (Fundamentalist) will ever deny or reject the teachings found in the Four Gospels; for they bring us the Gospel (Good News) of Jesus Christ -- His love for us, His plan for us, His will for us -- and the Good News that He is coming again one day, in the clouds, to take His church out of this world. Then, through the Tribulation, He will refine the remnant of His chosen people, Israel. And, He will return again, His Second Coming, to establish His Millennial Reign on earth, He is bringing the Kingdom of God back to rule for one thousand years, the perfect theocracy ruled from the throne of David in Jerusalem. Finally, He will take all believers into eternity, there to live with God forever.

Count me a non-conservative if to be one I must buy into the wackatory notion that Christ is relapsing into a plan for the Jews that is nowhere described in Scripture and that is, in fact, contradicted by Scripture. God is not the author of confusion.

Hi Beter,

Check in Genesis and you will find that God made a covenant with Abraham -- and God does not break a covenant. The Jewish people ARE His chosen people -- and the Tribulation is for their sake. That is why, in Daniel, it is called the Time of Jacob's Trouble.

There is no way that the church has replaced Israel as His chosen people. We are His CHURCH, His Bride -- not His Chosen People.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
And, no Conservative Christian (Fundamentalist) will ever deny or reject the teachings found in the Four Gospels; for they bring us the Gospel (Good News) of Jesus Christ -- His love for us, His plan for us, His will for us -- and the Good News that He is coming again one day, in the clouds, to take His church out of this world. Then, through the Tribulation, He will refine the remnant of His chosen people, Israel. And, He will return again, His Second Coming, to establish His Millennial Reign on earth, He is bringing the Kingdom of God back to rule for one thousand years, the perfect theocracy ruled from the throne of David in Jerusalem. Finally, He will take all believers into eternity, there to live with God forever.

Count me a non-conservative if to be one I must buy into the wackatory notion that Christ is relapsing into a plan for the Jews that is nowhere described in Scripture and that is, in fact, contradicted by Scripture. God is not the author of confusion.

Hi Beter,

Check in Genesis and you will find that God made a covenant with Abraham -- and God does not break a covenant. The Jewish people ARE His chosen people -- and the Tribulation is for their sake. That is why, in Daniel, it is called the Time of Jacob's Trouble.

There is no way that the church has replaced Israel as His chosen people. We are His CHURCH, His Bride -- not His Chosen People.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

God made covenants that are no longer in force. Read hebrews 9 if you doubt that.

Hi Beter,

To bring fresh air upon our thoughts; I have begun a new discussion. Take a look at "If God Breaks Covenants - Does Anyone Have Security?"

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by gbrk:
Click on this link for new hope for the Big Bang folks

I find it fascinating that the Evolutionist, Atheist, Science folks or whoever seeks to explain how we got here by going back to a "big bang" or attempts to get something out of nothing so easily dismiss religion or Creation. Not only do they dismiss it they rebel against it to the point of seeking to admonish anyone advocating such even though they have no proof of their own. They have a theory, a belief but it stops there there is no proof no reproduction of what they believe. Ben Stein's "Expelled" very well chronicles these non-believers attempts to suppress any theological argument.

Now another stretch to try and answer a question that had no and has no answer for some. Others it's just a matter of Faith.

Me, I'm just a stupid ole dumb simplest that accepts the Bible's claim that "GOD Created" and leave it at that. I sleep well with that assurance and have never had reason to doubt it or care about it.

Fascinating.

The reason Rationalists disregard religion, and especially Creationism, is because it explain nothing. The link you posted is a report of sound science that discovered something concrete. Religion does not do that. It can't.

Your repeated references to Ben Stein's "Expelled" should embarrass you. That piece of "art" has been thoroughly discredited and refuted. Have you explored its refutations? Stein's reputation and credibility have been smashed forever. Do yourself a favor, look into it.

God is the perfect example of assuming something out of nothing. I presume you'd say he exists uncreated?

I'm sure you do sleep perfectly well, but when you wake up, you should take off the blinders and take out the earplugs.

Yawn...Same things over and over from the believers.
C'mon! Gimme something I can use fr crying out loud!

"You don't believe what we believe? Then you my friend will never be a member of OUR club." *Yawn*

You don't believe what we believe? Then you're doomed to an eternity of suffering and torment."
*Yawn*

"You're just another follower of that Dawkins guy. Boy are YOU gonna be sorry when the king comes for YOU...nahnah..." (I'd never heard of "Dawkins" until somebody-probably Bill mentioned him. I believe what I believe because it just plain makes sense to me. I follow no one.

Anyways...*Yawn*

Same ol' tired litanies and doublespeak...but no actual EVIDENCE that there really is a sky fairy.

Carry on, sheeple.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
And, that is why they have to insist upon a 16 billion year old universe -- for, their accidental "life from no-life" requires those 16 billion years to work.

Bill, you're an idiot. You have NO idea what you're talking about when it comes to science and/or history, so please stop pretending to.

Where did you get 16 billion years from? Just made it up? Evolution has NOTHING to do with the age of the universe.

Scientists estimate the age of the universe at just under 14 billion years, and this estimate is based on OBSERVATIONS, EXPERIMENTS, AND DATA. You base the age of the universe on a fictional book which has been compiled over many many years by many many people. Which age seems more reliable? Idiot.

Do us all a favor and educate yourself a little bit before you go on making a fool of yourself in every written word you type.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe

Dustin

Hmm. "Life from no life." That doesn't really make sense either unless you define "life" as "Human life."

It has already been proven that man as he is today evolved from simpler life forms which were probably formed by reactions between elements and energy in a conducive environment at it's earliest stage.

There is no "something from nothing."

Physical law dictates that matter cannot be destroyed-only changed in form.

It would make sense that it could not be created from nothing as well.


Silly humans...Thinking they're special. When all they're really trying to do is perpetuate the survival of the species and learn from their mistakes. The mistakes are no longer with us. Hope ya were paying attention. -Charlie D.

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Originally posted by DustinSmith:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
And, that is why they have to insist upon a 16 billion year old universe -- for, their accidental "life from no-life" requires those 16 billion years to work.

Where did you get 16 billion years from? Just made it up? Evolution has NOTHING to do with the age of the universe.

Scientists estimate the age of the universe at just under 14 billion years,

Aw, gee, Dustin -- I really blew it! I missed by two billion years. Wow!

Yes, it is an accepted fact that Evolution could not occur without the benefit of billions of years. And, that, my Friend, is why you athiests and Darwinian Evolutionists will fight tooth and nail for your billions of years. For, otherwise, Evolution is only a myth -- which, of course, we all know is true.

Y'all come back now, ya heah?

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:


Yes, it is an accepted fact that Evolution could not occur without the benefit of billions of years. And, that, my Friend, is why you athiests and Darwinian Evolutionists will fight tooth and nail for your billions of years. For, otherwise, Evolution is only a myth -- which, of course, we all know is true.

...Aaaaannnnnd...Your fairy tale isn't a myth?

Evolution has facts and evidence to back it up. Your myth only has a fable to account for itself.

Was only a few hundred years ago that people thought the earth was flat and the universe revolved around it. Y'know...Kinda like religious zealots see themselves and the world around them.

Have a blinkered day.

RP.

Roadhog you idiot. Bill clearly post a beautiful graphic that proves creationism is true.

Checkmate, atheist!

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Originally posted by Sofa King:
Roadhog you idiot. Bill clearly post a beautiful graphic that proves creationism is true.

Checkmate, atheist!

Oh! PFFT! Well excuse the %$#* outta me for not accepting that cool pic as irrefutable proof! How &*#@ing silly of me!

hahahahahahahaha!

RP, he got you there! Bill has a graphic!

LMAO

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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
hahahahahahahaha! RP, he got you there! Bill has a graphic! LMAO

Hi Deep,

I've got one for you, also.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
hahahahahahahaha! RP, he got you there! Bill has a graphic! LMAO

Hi Deep,

I've got one for you, also.

Oooooo! Ph34r the 1337ness of the graphic!

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Originally posted by Road Puppy:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
hahahahahahahaha! RP, he got you there! Bill has a graphic! LMAO

Hi Deep, I've got one for you, also.

Oooooo! Ph34r the 1337ness of the graphic!

NO SPEAKY ENGLISH?

I guess gbrk is busy, otherwise she'd have responded by now.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by Road Puppy:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
hahahahahahahaha! RP, he got you there! Bill has a graphic! LMAO

Hi Deep, I've got one for you, also.

Oooooo! Ph34r the 1337ness of the graphic!

NO SPEAKY ENGLISH?

I speak English very well thank you. I speak a couple other languages as well.

As a noob, it's kinda hard keeping up here.

Is this entire forum one huge spoof? Is Bill Gray the straight man, and everyone else goes off on him? Some pretending to agree with his insanity, others mocking him?

It is pretty funny.

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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
As a noob, it's kinda hard keeping up here.

Is this entire forum one huge spoof? Is Bill Gray the straight man, and everyone else goes off on him? Some pretending to agree with his insanity, others mocking him? It is pretty funny.

Hi Deep,

You are about as Newbie as the worn out old shoes I threw away. They were old and worn; but there was an honesty about them -- more than I can say about a guy who keeps trying to sneak back on the Forum every time the mods boot him off.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

The thing I don't understand about Bill Gray is why he spends all of his time on a forum that is across the country from where he lives! I'm sure Californians don't put up with his crap.

Yes, Billy Bob ......Bill Gray is the boss, and we are all stupid imbeciles that don't understand things as clearly as he does, and lack the arrogance to state unequivocable truths. Most of us admit that God's ways are so high above our ways, that the brain cannot even begin to comprehend. Most of us are flailing Christians, struggling to make sense out of this nutty world.
But BG (and now WH, it seems) have all the answers, and have had their free ticket to heaven card stamped.
So welcome, Billy Bob, your input/opinions are always welcome. Oh...or are you really Bill Gray? Trying to spar on some debate? Bill? Is that you????

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Originally posted by StarryNight:
The thing I don't understand about Bill Gray is why he spends all of his time on a forum that is across the country from where he lives! I'm sure Californians don't put up with his crap.

Hi Starry,

There is a very good reason. I am a native of the Shoals area, born in Tuscumbia, grew up in Sheffield -- and proudly graduated from Sheffield High -- Go Dawgs!

I am proud to be a Southerner; I am proud to be an Alabamian; I am proud to be a native son of the Shoals.

And, besides that -- I still have lots of family living there.

That is my reason for being involved in the TimesDaily Religion Forum -- what is yours?

You obviously are not very proud of your hometown or where you live now -- for you do not even tell us in which city, or even in which state -- or even in which country you reside. Are you ashamed of your heritage and where you now live?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by vplee123:
Yes, Billy Bob ......Bill Gray is the boss, and we are all stupid imbeciles that don't understand things as clearly as he does, and lack the arrogance to state unequivocable truths. Most of us admit that God's ways are so high above our ways, that the brain cannot even begin to comprehend. Most of us are flailing Christians, struggling to make sense out of this nutty world.
But BG (and now WH, it seems) have all the answers, and have had their free ticket to heaven card stamped.
So welcome, Billy Bob, your input/opinions are always welcome. Oh...or are you really Bill Gray? Trying to spar on some debate? Bill? Is that you????

Hi VP,

No, WH and I do not have all the answers -- but, through years of studying Scripture -- we do have a more mature understanding of God's Word and His plan for our lives.

If you would lay aside your Missal, your Rosary, your Prayer Book, and your Traditions -- and study the ONE BOOK given to us by God; you, too, would have a more mature understanding of His Word.

All it takes is to lay aside your Traditions, etc.; pick up your Bible -- and let it change your life. It has changed mine -- and it has changed billions of other people's lives. And, it can change yours if you will let it.

By the way, VP, your new Friend, Deep, aka Billy Bob, has been on the Forum for years. As a matter of fact, he is responsible for me being here. So, when you get upset with me -- send Deep a thank you note.

He has been here under various names -- for, he keeps getting booted of by the mods -- and then has to sneak back in. But, I am happy he is back -- regardless of which dress he is wearing; for he gives me great help in sharing the Gospel.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Ya ever notice how BeeGee's always got people sneakin' around wearing dresses?

Things that make ya go "Hmmmmm..."