Sure, Sunday sales is not the cure all for Sheffield. Sheffield is trying to create an entertainment district downtown. They have to have Sunday sales for this to come to fruition.
quote:Originally posted by Techno62:
That's just the same as telling people to turn the channels if they don't want to see sex and violence on TV.
No, it's not. Sex and Violence on TV is legal seven days a week. Not perfectly legal 6 days and illegal on the seventh.
No, this is purely a religious issue put forth by the fundamentalist Baptists and is an imposition on my freedom to indulge in adult behavior.
quote:Originally posted by Lorensdad006:quote:Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
I don't know about that... every time I am in Sheffield, be it day or night, they LOOK pretty busy... they have a LOT of night spots, much more than other cities around do.
And yet they are still in the sad shape they are in. Do you really think adding another day of alcohol sales will turn that city around?
It certainly will not hurt em any more.
quote:Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
I don't know about that... every time I am in Sheffield, be it day or night, they LOOK pretty busy
You can't be serious. There is one pool hall that looks like it's boarded up but I've seen people coming and going. The rest of the town is tumbleweeds and grass growing through the cracks.
quote:I am a Sheffield resident and alcohol sales on Sunday is not what this city needs. I am also a christian and know for a fact that God is what we need.
You've had god for 120 years. There's a church on every corner in Sheffield.
But, hey, Cindy, you're not all wrong. Sunday sales is important, but not everything. What Sheffield really needs is leadership with vision, creativity, courage, and intelligence.
DF
to LorensDad- why would you say that, when it is & was the truth of what happened , I pray you never know the pain of loseing a child to a drugie who runs a red light & only 3 months later when arrested with drugs on him in Colbert Co., the charges are droped because a D A Gary Alverson would not carrie it to a Grand Jury , I have the records of the srrest & NO ! I am not on Drugs, well maybe you go to church with Gary or Ronnie
quote:Originally posted by Techno62:
That's just the same as telling people to turn the channels if they don't want to see sex and violence on TV. Why should they have to be the ones to turn to another channel? Just let them vote on it and see what happens. The question I have is if the vote goes to the "don't have them" side, are the others going to respect the democratic process of voting and be happy...? I don't think so. But we will see.....
Absolutely, they should be the ones to go to other channels if they don't like what is airing. Freedom of choice, not let us force everyone to only watch what we want them to watch.
Mommyofthree,
"Also, everyone likes to talk about Jesus turning water into wine, but besides dirty water, there wasn't anything else to drink like there is today. You couldn't just go buy a bunch of cokes. And if you research it further, you would find out that the wine back then was alot weaker than wine today, and you really had to down it to become drunk."
Sorry, but wrong. Judea was a Roman protectorate, with the roads, aqueucts, baths, and fountains associated with that status. Water was brought into the major cities, like Jerusalem and Caesaria, by acqueducts, thru a sophisticated filtration system. Smaller towns had wells. The method of making wine and laws of fermentation chemistry have not changed -- the strength is the same. However, the Romans, recognizing the healthful effects of wine, but not wishing their legions to be drunk, served the wine cut by half with water. Whether the Jews of Judea adopted that habit, we do not know.
"Also, everyone likes to talk about Jesus turning water into wine, but besides dirty water, there wasn't anything else to drink like there is today. You couldn't just go buy a bunch of cokes. And if you research it further, you would find out that the wine back then was alot weaker than wine today, and you really had to down it to become drunk."
Sorry, but wrong. Judea was a Roman protectorate, with the roads, aqueucts, baths, and fountains associated with that status. Water was brought into the major cities, like Jerusalem and Caesaria, by acqueducts, thru a sophisticated filtration system. Smaller towns had wells. The method of making wine and laws of fermentation chemistry have not changed -- the strength is the same. However, the Romans, recognizing the healthful effects of wine, but not wishing their legions to be drunk, served the wine cut by half with water. Whether the Jews of Judea adopted that habit, we do not know.
"Peter warns that we should not have our minds clouded with drinking to excess when he writes in I Peter 5:8 "Be self controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." (NIV) Surely if you are drunk with wine or other strong drink, you are not in self control and alert and the evil one will find you easy prey."
Don't sound like watered down wine to me.
Don't sound like watered down wine to me.
quote:Originally posted by LAWGRL:quote:I actually agree with you that having an adult beverage is not a sin, that becoming drunken is. On a personal note however, I don't drink because if the people I know and meet know that I say I am a Christian and yet they see me out drinking in a restaurant, even if it's only one beer, then what is to make me different from anyone else in their book? It's not that I feel like I'm sinning by drinking one beer, but I am sinning if I cause someone else to stumble and so marr the name of Christ. All they see is that I claim one thing and apparently live something else. Isn't that what everyone hates, a hypocrite? It's one of the main reasons I hear for people not going to church!
I'm really not trying to debate over this subject. But can you see the flip side of your argument? What about the person who may not know Christ and doesn't want to get to know Christ because she feels that the confines of Christianity are so small that she will never feel as though she can live up to the expectations? What if she gets to know someone who is a Christian, who can witness to her about salvation, but who is not uptight about religion and can actually discuss salvation with her without turning her off? Those people can help people find Christ, too. I know. I have.
The confines of 'religion' ARE too small. But Christianity, true Christianity, isn't about us. It's about Him. Becoming a Christian is about sacrificing my all, not perfectly, but in obedience and allegiance to Christ. I can never do all that is necessary to 'become a Christian.' The Holy Spirit draws a person to Christ and that person receives the faith to trust and believe.
I know this doesn't sound like it even belongs on this message board. But think about this: Christians in times past were radically different from the world around them. Being a Christian sometimes means standing out from the mainstream. Sure drinking alcohol occasionally may not be wrong, but does it separate you, Christian, from those in desperate need of a Savior...the Savior you claim by calling yourself 'Christian?' How will they see the light if it has been darkened by your condoning of vices that lead to sin (i.e. drinking alcohol can lead to drunkenness)?
I just want Christians to prayerfully consider their acts to see if they are truly leading a Christ-like life. I have to do everyday.
quote:How will they see the light if it has been darkened by your condoning of vices that lead to sin (i.e. drinking alcohol can lead to drunkenness)?
You agree that the Christian bible condones alcohol copnsumption...but you must HIDE its use from people you are trying to convert?
Once they get converted then they can use it, but must hide it from potential convertees?
Actually that clears up a lot for me...I just thought they were hypocrites.
quote:Originally posted by FatBaldGayGuy:quote:How will they see the light if it has been darkened by your condoning of vices that lead to sin (i.e. drinking alcohol can lead to drunkenness)?
You agree that the Christian bible condones alcohol copnsumption...but you must HIDE its use from people you are trying to convert?
Once they get converted then they can use it, but must hide it from potential convertees?
Actually that clears up a lot for me...I just thought they were hypocrites.
Actually, no, the Bible never condones alcohol consumption, and it also never explicitly says "thou shalt not drink." But what it does do is condemn drunkenness, and it also says "avoid even the very appearance of evil." Which for me means not only not drinking in public where those around me see it, but that also means not even buying it at the grocery store or anywhere else for that matter (ANY day of the week), or having it in my home where family or whoever else who happens to be there will see it. And may I add, when Christ truly changes your heart, you no longer desire to do the things you used to. So for me this is a non-issue. I'm not trying to hide anything from anyone.
And for LAWGRL, if you are talking to your friend and she feels that she can't live up to the expectations of Christianity, she's right. None of us can--that's why we need Christ. I am a great sinner, but Christ is a great Savior.
I am so sick and tired of people that believe in fairy tales trying to control what other people do!If you want to believe in whatever go ahead,just leave the real world alone.
Yankee, actually they DON'T believe in fairy tales. This is the same bunch that had a fit about Harry Potter being "magic". I once took my child to see (for Pete's sake) "Fern Gulley". I was bored out of my mind, and the child was falling asleep so we started to leave. Went to the rest room before we left where we saw another mother. I made some comment about, how I just couldn't take it anymore and we were going. She (believing she had a fellow do-gooder) 'fessed up that she was leaving because the show was, gasp, about MAGIC!!
What rot.
Yankee, actually they DON'T believe in fairy tales. This is the same bunch that had a fit about Harry Potter being "magic". I once took my child to see (for Pete's sake) "Fern Gulley". I was bored out of my mind, and the child was falling asleep so we started to leave. Went to the rest room before we left where we saw another mother. I made some comment about, how I just couldn't take it anymore and we were going. She (believing she had a fellow do-gooder) 'fessed up that she was leaving because the show was, gasp, about MAGIC!!
What rot.
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
What Sheffield really needs is leadership with vision, creativity, courage, and intelligence.
DF
And we could have had that if everyone would have gotten out to vote Larry Pilkinton for Mayor.
quote:And for LAWGRL, if you are talking to your friend and she feels that she can't live up to the expectations of Christianity, she's right. None of us can--that's why we need Christ. I am a great sinner, but Christ is a great Savior.
I agree. We are all sinners. If I choose, however, to go to my office, handle my cases, and go home every night, and otherwise not leave my home except for church, then when and where exactly do I reach out to anyone who is lost? As for my relationship with Christ, that is very personal. Everyone's relationship is personal. I do not need to explain my relationship with Him to you.
Also, I don't need to hide anything, either. My parents, who also believed that they should not have alcohol in the home, have accepted that I drink socially and that I handle it responsibly. I don't hide that from anyone. And I try not to judge people, either. That's a sin, too.
Frankly, I wish I were a better drinker. Everybody thinks I'd be a fun drunk. Wrong. I have to have it so sweet and fruity it disgusts people around me, then I drink one and go to sleep.
I wanna be a "party girl" just once in my life.
I wanna be a "party girl" just once in my life.
@Lorensdad
Are you saying that alcohol is evil? Your posting is ambiguous.
quote:"avoid even the very appearance of evil."
Are you saying that alcohol is evil? Your posting is ambiguous.
quote:And I try not to judge people, either. That's a sin, too.
To YOU...thats a sin. To me the quote is...judge not lest ye be judged. So, if I judge you, then you can judge me. How is that a sin?
Your picture, FBGG, is making me have flashbacks to Princeton.
Well, I'm not going to judge you anyway, so it's a moot point!quote:Originally posted by FatBaldGayGuy:quote:And I try not to judge people, either. That's a sin, too.
To YOU...thats a sin. To me the quote is...judge not lest ye be judged. So, if I judge you, then you can judge me. How is that a sin?
The Sunday sales of alcohol will not be the salvation that the City of Sheffield needs. When the sales of alcohol was approved for Colbert County in the early 1980’s, there promises of how it would help Sheffield and the other cities in Colbert County.
Well the property values in Sheffield are declining, and the future is grim.
If I am not mistaken, during the last county wide vote to approve the Sunday sales of alcohol in Colbert County, only the voters of Sheffield voted yes. The rest of the county voted no, by a majority vote. That should have been a statement to others.
You would have thought that the voters of Sheffield learned the lesson of broken promises from the last time.
Well the property values in Sheffield are declining, and the future is grim.
If I am not mistaken, during the last county wide vote to approve the Sunday sales of alcohol in Colbert County, only the voters of Sheffield voted yes. The rest of the county voted no, by a majority vote. That should have been a statement to others.
You would have thought that the voters of Sheffield learned the lesson of broken promises from the last time.
Many of the greatest vinyards and producers of cordials, ports and brandies were monasteries, abbeys, and properties of men of great faith. The pope used to have his own vinyards.
Drunkeness, as one of the deadly sins, was classified under gluttony. Do Baptist eat? I know we Methodists do.
The founding fathers felt the same way. Washington enjoyed port and sherry. He was the largest producer of whiskey of his time. Jefferson throughly enjoyed wine. In Washington's Daybook, he asks to be like more like Jesus. These men were not hypocrits, but enjoyers of life.
It was Carrie Nation and her temperance movement (why is total abstinence called temperance) that resulted in high crime and the drug trade -- law of unintended consequences. Before Prohibition, the Mafia was limited to numbers racket, brothels and protection racket, in the North. In the South, shopkeepers kept shooting the mobsters. Bootlegging made the mob rich and instilled disrepect for the law and corrupted the law. When Prohibition ended, all that money went into the drug trade. Thanks awfully!
Drunkeness, as one of the deadly sins, was classified under gluttony. Do Baptist eat? I know we Methodists do.
The founding fathers felt the same way. Washington enjoyed port and sherry. He was the largest producer of whiskey of his time. Jefferson throughly enjoyed wine. In Washington's Daybook, he asks to be like more like Jesus. These men were not hypocrits, but enjoyers of life.
It was Carrie Nation and her temperance movement (why is total abstinence called temperance) that resulted in high crime and the drug trade -- law of unintended consequences. Before Prohibition, the Mafia was limited to numbers racket, brothels and protection racket, in the North. In the South, shopkeepers kept shooting the mobsters. Bootlegging made the mob rich and instilled disrepect for the law and corrupted the law. When Prohibition ended, all that money went into the drug trade. Thanks awfully!
Uh, Stinky,
That lesson would be to get the rest of the county out of their affairs.
That lesson would be to get the rest of the county out of their affairs.
quote:Originally posted by GoFish:quote:Originally posted by that smart chick:
Well Cindy, those that need God on Sunday go to church. Those that need alcohol on Sunday go to Florence.
To me, this is not an issue of whether or not alcohol is good for business. I live and work in Florence so if I were smart, I'd shut up and let all three Sheffield residents come "across the river" to drink.
But, no, this isn't about alcohol sales or draft beer. This is about freedom to be an adult. This is about the government's stupid implication that something can be wholly legal 6 days a week and illegal on the 7th day. WHAT KIND OF LOGIC IS THAT?
I would actually be more "okay" (from a legal standpoint) with a complete prohibition of alcohol. At least that makes some sense.
Why should I have to abide by fundamentalist Baptist rules? What if I was Catholic and needed wine for communion? What if I was Jewish and believed that SATURDAY, not Sunday, was the day of holiness?
The stupidity of this issue just boggles the mind!
I am a Christian and I agree with you mostly on this GF. Wow. And I don't even drink.
quote:How will they see the light if it has been darkened by your condoning of vices that lead to sin (i.e. drinking alcohol can lead to drunkenness)?
I disagree with this particular statement. I don't drink but I cannot see anything but legalism in what you say. What is the difference in drunkard and gluttony? Food is a vice for millions of people. Probably more than alcohol. But Christians condone that. So, what about TV or the internet? We condone that, but it can lead to sin. We just can't look at things in the way you speak. If we do, we will have to close ourselves up in a little dark room and never come out. Jesus did not do it that way. He went straight to the tax collector's house and ate with him. And he did not condemn him. He just loved him. That is what we should do. That is the example Jesus set for us. We as Christians are in the world not of it. So, just love everybody. I know it can be hard. I get aggrivated at people on this board all of the time but if anyone ever needed help I would do my best to help them. My job is not to tell people they are wrong. My job is to tell them about Who is right. Have a great day.
While this thread is mainly about Sunday alcohol sales, this area is about to get the largest industry to come to the state in some time. Property values, peripheral business, everything should be booming. I have yet to hear any Sheffield leader come up with a plan, or even ask for ideas for a plan, to bring the town of Sheffield into this century. Please, let's put some effort into some other ideas as well, whether we support Sunday sales or not.
As for as Mr. Gary Alverson and the Colbert County District Attorney's office dropping charges against the son of local, semi-famous musician and grandson of a pillar of Florence, welcome to the real world where who you know is 99% of the battle.
As for as Mr. Gary Alverson and the Colbert County District Attorney's office dropping charges against the son of local, semi-famous musician and grandson of a pillar of Florence, welcome to the real world where who you know is 99% of the battle.
quote:Well, I'm not going to judge you anyway, so it's a moot point!
Too late, you already have. Your statement makes the judgement that I sin if I judged you.
quote:In Washington's Daybook, he asks to be like more like Jesus. These men were not hypocrits, but enjoyers of life.
These men were not Christians either. Their religion is best said as freemason.
The whole judgement thing refers to saying who is saved and who isn't. No way am I going to go down that road. The sin of overweening pride got Lucifer where he is today.
FatBaldGayGuy,
The statement I made is in Washington's day book in a glass case at Mt Vernon, just down the road from where I live. I drive by he church Washington attended on my way to work. They considered freemansonry a fraternal order.
Washington took his oath on a freemason bible, sometimes still used to this day. Modern historians who write of Washington, are so ignorant of christian references, they ignore those in Washington's writings.
The statement I made is in Washington's day book in a glass case at Mt Vernon, just down the road from where I live. I drive by he church Washington attended on my way to work. They considered freemansonry a fraternal order.
Washington took his oath on a freemason bible, sometimes still used to this day. Modern historians who write of Washington, are so ignorant of christian references, they ignore those in Washington's writings.
quote:Originally posted by interventor:
FatBaldGayGuy,
The statement I made is in Washington's day book in a glass case at Mt Vernon, just down the road from where I live. I drive by he church Washington attended on my way to work. They considered freemansonry a fraternal order.
Washington took his oath on a freemason bible, sometimes still used to this day. Modern historians who write of Washington, are so ignorant of christian references, they ignore those in Washington's writings.
Most of our founding fathers were Freemasons, and this country is founded on the principals of Freemasonary. The concept of "all men are created equal" is thanks to the Freemasons. In fact, the original draft of the Dec of Ind said "We hold these truths to be SACRED" Ben Franklin, had that reference changed in order to not imply that this would be a nation based on theology. Now- "We hold these truths to be SELF EVIDENT"
All thanks to the influence of Masons on our founders.
quote:Originally posted by interventor:
Mommyofthree,
"Also, everyone likes to talk about Jesus turning water into wine, but besides dirty water, there wasn't anything else to drink like there is today. You couldn't just go buy a bunch of cokes. And if you research it further, you would find out that the wine back then was alot weaker than wine today, and you really had to down it to become drunk."
Sorry, but wrong. Judea was a Roman protectorate, with the roads, aqueucts, baths, and fountains associated with that status. Water was brought into the major cities, like Jerusalem and Caesaria, by acqueducts, thru a sophisticated filtration system. Smaller towns had wells. The method of making wine and laws of fermentation chemistry have not changed -- the strength is the same. However, the Romans, recognizing the healthful effects of wine, but not wishing their legions to be drunk, served the wine cut by half with water. Whether the Jews of Judea adopted that habit, we do not know.
I am just wondering... how do you know the strength of the wine that Jesus made? I do not ever remember reading that anywhere.... ???
quote:Originally posted by outspokenjerk:quote:How will they see the light if it has been darkened by your condoning of vices that lead to sin (i.e. drinking alcohol can lead to drunkenness)?
I disagree with this particular statement. I don't drink but I cannot see anything but legalism in what you say. What is the difference in drunkard and gluttony? Food is a vice for millions of people. Probably more than alcohol. But Christians condone that. So, what about TV or the internet? We condone that, but it can lead to sin. We just can't look at things in the way you speak. If we do, we will have to close ourselves up in a little dark room and never come out. Jesus did not do it that way. He went straight to the tax collector's house and ate with him. And he did not condemn him. He just loved him. That is what we should do. That is the example Jesus set for us. We as Christians are in the world not of it. So, just love everybody. I know it can be hard. I get aggrivated at people on this board all of the time but if anyone ever needed help I would do my best to help them. My job is not to tell people they are wrong. My job is to tell them about Who is right. Have a great day.
Very well said!!!!
Someone please correct me if I am wrong. But isn't this election to approve alcohol by the drink, not to be able to visit the local package store. I live in Sheffield, and I would like to see us on a level playing field with other areas. Remember, Holiday Inn and Outback are in Sheffield. It is no different to go and have a meal at a restaurant and have a beer or a glass of wine, etc. on Sunday than it is on Wednesday. As for what God would think...do you really believe that He is thinking it is all about the day of the week. If it is okay for one day it is okay for another. Yes, I am a Christian, and I would not be offended by someone having a drink on Sunday any more than I would be by them having a drink on Monday. (to clarify, I would not be offended any day of the week)
quote:Originally posted by imjstacntrygirl:
Someone please correct me if I am wrong. But isn't this election to approve alcohol by the drink, not to be able to visit the local package store. I live in Sheffield, and I would like to see us on a level playing field with other areas. Remember, Holiday Inn and Outback are in Sheffield. It is no different to go and have a meal at a restaurant and have a beer or a glass of wine, etc. on Sunday than it is on Wednesday. As for what God would think...do you really believe that He is thinking it is all about the day of the week. If it is okay for one day it is okay for another. Yes, I am a Christian, and I would not be offended by someone having a drink on Sunday any more than I would be by them having a drink on Monday. (to clarify, I would not be offended any day of the week)
I, too, am a non-drinker, but I could care less if anyone else chooses to do so ANY day of the week, .. my ONLY beef with that would be if they chose to drive after drinking.
Like GoFish said... what if they are Catholic and drink wine on Sunday? Or if they are the other religion (too lazy to go back and look) and practice their Sunday on Saturday???
Sunday sales is no different than Saturday sales... Huntsville is wide open on everything every day of the week... so why aren't we??? I mean, when it gets down to it, it is a PERSONAL choice, not a POLITICAL choice... right?
quote:Originally posted by FatBaldGayGuy:quote:In Washington's Daybook, he asks to be like more like Jesus. These men were not hypocrits, but enjoyers of life.
These men were not Christians either. Their religion is best said as freemason.
Freemasonary is not a religion, it is a fraternal organization. One of the oldest if not the oldest fraternal organization in existance. I is in no way a religion. Also, your post implies that since someone is a Freemason he is not a Christian, that is very wrong. It is true that you do not have to be of the Christian faith to be a Mason, but impling that if someone is a Mason they are not a Christian is totally WRONG!!!
Kindred,
You are correct, we can't know the wines strength. Perhaps, it was exhilerating, non-alcohol wines promised in the Koran to those who enter paradise.
DHS-86,
Of course Masons may be christians. Note what I said about the freemason's bible Washington took his oath on. Several presidents have used the same bible.
My father was both christian and mason.
Quite frankly, some opinions I read lately are too close to those of the Taliban to suit me.
You are correct, we can't know the wines strength. Perhaps, it was exhilerating, non-alcohol wines promised in the Koran to those who enter paradise.
DHS-86,
Of course Masons may be christians. Note what I said about the freemason's bible Washington took his oath on. Several presidents have used the same bible.
My father was both christian and mason.
Quite frankly, some opinions I read lately are too close to those of the Taliban to suit me.
quote:Freemasonary is not a religion, it is a fraternal organization. One of the oldest if not the oldest fraternal organization in existance. I is in no way a religion.
You must be a mason. Freemasonry is the oldest SECRET orginazation. You should read the definition of 'RELIGION'.
"1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."
[URL=http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion ]RELIGION-DEFINITION[/URL]
quote:Also, your post implies that since someone is a Freemason he is not a Christian, that is very wrong. It is true that you do not have to be of the Christian faith to be a Mason, but impling that if someone is a Mason they are not a Christian is totally WRONG!!!
I am not saying free/accepted masonry FORBIDS Christians. I'm saying that according to the Christian bible (there is but ONE way to God)...one cannot practise F/A masonry AND be Christian. Masons worship Jesus AND...Hiram Abiff. One of any faith can be a mason. One must believe in a higher being, and immortality...thats all. Death/burial and resurrection...thats what Jesus and Hiram Abiff have in common.
Google Freemasons/Illuminati...
As I said earlier...you must be a mason...am I wrong?
quote:Several presidents have used the same bible.
And these same presidents have proven themselves everything else but a Christian.