Shock and Awe, 1937

Hi Ed.

Used to drink in the officer's club that was the Condor Legion's in Nelligen, GE. There was a difference between that air war and our targeted campaign, but I doubt you care.

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Originally posted by interventor:
Used to drink in the officer's club that was the Condor Legion's in Nelligen, GE. There was a difference between that air war and our targeted campaign, but I doubt you care.

Yes, there was a difference, the Nazi's were trying to conquer us. In this one we are trying to conquer Iraq Iran and Afghanistan.


I am not stupid. Just peace loving.

GO DTUDY THE MARSHAL PLAN inteventor. the best foreign policy decision ever made. COMPARE ITS GOALS with the objective of the invasion of Iraq.

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Originally posted by interventor:
Used to drink in the officer's club that was the Condor Legion's in Nelligen, GE. There was a difference between that air war and our targeted campaign, but I doubt you care.

I was thinking of not doing this....but I just can[t resist.


DRINKING IN THE CONDOR LEGION'S OFFICERS CLUB MUST HAVE BEEN THE FULFILLMENT OF A LIFE LONG FANTASY FOR YOU. I see a proud young American sitting in that room, thinking here I am, under the roof that protected some of the finest war makers in history.

Forgetting for the moment that they were beaten to the ground by an enraged world.

Eddie,

Nelligen used to be a base for US Army helicopters during the cold war. And, yes, it was a fulfillment to drink in a place where the Allied Forces so fully crushed the Nazis.

Took my dad in for a couple. He was at Omaha at D+6 and spent most of the war behind the lines (behind the German lines) on cavalry recon.

I've studied the war and the Marshal plan rather extensively, what's your point?

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Originally posted by interventor:
Eddie,

Nelligen used to be a base for US Army helicopters during the cold war. And, yes, it was a fulfillment to drink in a place where the Allied Forces so fully crushed the Nazis.

Took my dad in for a couple. He was at Omaha at D+6 and spent most of the war behind the lines (behind the German lines) on cavalry recon.

I've studied the war and the Marshal plan rather extensively, what's your point?

My point is that immediately after the war ended, the United States launched a reconstruction program that brought All of Western Europe back from the destruction of the war. I hope you had a chance to see some of the reconstruction in Munich, and Regansburgh, and Heidleburgh and Frankfort. That is what the Marshall plan did.

The point is that the reconstruction was an act of generosity. It was not an act of retribution or aggression.

Compare conditions in West Germany and East Germany at the time of reconciliation. US policy was largely responsible for the ability of the West German Economy to recover. Soviet Policy was largely responsible for the shambles of East Germany.

The point is that reaching out with an open hand beats reaching out with a fist almost every time.

Yes, after those who would destroy you are themselves, gone.

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Yes, after those who would destroy you are themselves, gone.

interventor, when was the last time you got furiously angry because someone yielded the right of way to you? When was the last time you raged at someone who handed you something you could not reach for yourself? Ho often to you become angry when a boy scout helps a little old lady across the street while you are going the other way?

When was the last time you felt the need to destroy a child molester? Did you decide that since children are molested by adults that adults should all be killed? Have you considered that the people you wish no harm to are the people who don't have anything you want and don't want anything you have?

Americans are afraid of the people we have robbed. We are not afraid of the people we have not robbed.

Some years ago I read a case of murder. The victim had been swindled by the killer. The swindler had not been punished. Nothing was done by the victim to recover the losses. The victim went on with his life, sadder but wiser. The swindler began to fear the victim. Fear to the point of warning the victim to stay away. Fear to the point of telling others the victim was a danger to the swindler.
That fear led to murder. The swindler knew that his victim "should" be angry, "should" not forgive and forget, "should" be seek revenge. The swindler knew that there was no recourse for the victim, the contracts were all iron clad. The victim knew this too.

The swindler KILLED THE VICTIM out of fear. Hunted him down and shot him dead, because he was afraid. He defended his actions in court by saying he was afraid. He would have been exonerated if the victim has made a single threatening move toward him. But the victim had not. The victim had told others, I was a victim, I cannot do anything about it. Why am I being hunted?

I see the same cause and effect in the present policies of the United States. We have been exploiting the resources of the third world for half a century. We have not given back nearly as much has we have taken. There has been no "sharing the wealth." We are now killing the victims.

You and I both know that we prosper in the USA. The nation we live in is the most prosperous of all nations. What I know, and you don't seem to know is that prosperity has been paid for by the people we have exploited. Native Americans Know it. African Americans Know it, Mexican Americans Know it. WHY DON'T YOU?

We paid market value for all natural resources we bought. Europeans bought much more natural resources than we did from Africa. And, we did not participate in genocide in Rwanda and the Ivory Coast, as did the French and Belgians.
The US still produces 35 to 40 percent of its petroleum. Europe produces about 10 percent.

Monies sunk into Africa by Europe, the US, and Japanese governments, and even more by NGOs dwarf the funds spent in the Marshall Plan. Without a non-corrupt government and competent administrators, all the help in the galaxy will not suffice.

Try commuting in DC, LA, NYC, Seoul or Frankfurt, Germany for years, and one will develop inter-peace or start murders. I choose the former, and the classical music stations.

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We paid market value for all natural resources we bought. Europeans bought much more natural resources than we did from Africa. And, we did not participate in genocide in Rwanda and the Ivory Coast, as did the French and Belgians.
The US still produces 35 to 40 percent of its petroleum. Europe produces about 10 percent.

Monies sunk into Africa by Europe, the US, and Japanese governments, and even more by NGOs dwarf the funds spent in the Marshall Plan. Without a non-corrupt government and competent administrators, all the help in the galaxy will not suffice.

Try commuting in DC, LA, NYC, Seoul or Frankfurt, Germany for years, and one will develop inter-peace or start murders. I choose the former, and the classical music stations.

Interventor, we started the ball rolling. And you are right, we did all those things. THE OPERATIVE HERE IS CALLED THE PAST TENSE.