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You know those deputies wouldn't have been at that man's house had he not been firing at neighbors.  The people who are faulting the deputies expect me to believe the deputies went there intending to shoot this man AND expect me to believe a man firing at neighbors isn't dumb enough to point a rifle at a deputy?  Please!

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Who else can they blame.  They justify the shooting of rifles as their right..Well what about the right of those living around him to live in peace without having to worry about shooting close to their house.  They tell everyone that he was shot six times...When he was shot 3.  They won't believe the outcome, because it'll be a hard pill to swallow.  According to them, all of LE is gonna cover it up.  I hate that the deputy had to take his life, but he felt his life was in danger.  

I think the deputy acted appropriately .  ]

I expect as more and more people practice their "rights" to carry a gun every damm where they go on their hip, this sort of thing will become more common. Too many people are a few watts short of a hundred watt light bulb, and think a gun on their hip makes them ten feet tall and bullet proof - especially after a drink or two.

Originally Posted by imya_huckleberry:

Who else can they blame.  They justify the shooting of rifles as their right..Well what about the right of those living around him to live in peace without having to worry about shooting close to their house.  They tell everyone that he was shot six times...When he was shot 3.  They won't believe the outcome, because it'll be a hard pill to swallow.  According to them, all of LE is gonna cover it up.  I hate that the deputy had to take his life, but he felt his life was in danger.  

Well I'll tell you one thing we aren't going to put up with people threatening our deputies.   They aren't paid to babysit 31 year old men shooting rifles from their front porches.

Originally Posted by seeweed:

I think the deputy acted appropriately .  ]

I expect as more and more people practice their "rights" to carry a gun every damm where they go on their hip, this sort of thing will become more common. Too many people are a few watts short of a hundred watt light bulb, and think a gun on their hip makes them ten feet tall and bullet proof - especially after a drink or two.

This has absolutely nothing to do with conceal carry as he was at home with a rifle.  I bet your prediction is wrong nonetheless.

Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by seeweed:

I think the deputy acted appropriately .  ]

I expect as more and more people practice their "rights" to carry a gun every damm where they go on their hip, this sort of thing will become more common. Too many people are a few watts short of a hundred watt light bulb, and think a gun on their hip makes them ten feet tall and bullet proof - especially after a drink or two.

This has absolutely nothing to do with conceal carry as he was at home with a rifle.  I bet your prediction is wrong nonetheless.

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of course you do.

The family has hired an attorney who has won his last two cases against local law enforcement; however, I saw those photos also where he's drinking and smoking next to his toddler son.

 

Question for those who use .22 rifles: Can it be proved at all which way the man was shooting? At cans in yard or at neighbors? In other words, if there's no "damage" toward neighbors, does that automatically mean he wasn't shooting that way?

 

 

As some of you might remember from a couple of months back. I have a neighbor that shoots his gun in almost every single day. If its not raining he is in his yard shooting. It has gone on for over an hours a few times. The houses here a fairly close together. I am right next door. Behind his house is a field, but its not a very big field and on the other side is another neighborhood. It makes me nervous when I have to go outside and he is shooting. I have no idea which direction he is shooting. I feel like a prisoner in my own home when he is doing this. Some of my neighbors have told me they are also afraid they will be shot by a stray bullet. It disturbs the whole neighborhood. I tried to talk to him about it and he got a bit huffy. Told me to stay out of his yard. Since I don't want to risk getting shot I have just stayed away. I called the police to ask for advice and they told me there was nothing they could do. 

 

I guess we just have to wait on him to accidentally shoot someone before anything gets done, or just live with the daily sound of gun fire.

 

About the shooting in Central....Wasn't it at night? Did I get that wrong? If it was...how are you target practicing in the dark? 

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

As some of you might remember from a couple of months back. I have a neighbor that shoots his gun in almost every single day. If its not raining he is in his yard shooting. It has gone on for over an hours a few times. The houses here a fairly close together. I am right next door. Behind his house is a field, but its not a very big field and on the other side is another neighborhood. It makes me nervous when I have to go outside and he is shooting. I have no idea which direction he is shooting. I feel like a prisoner in my own home when he is doing this. Some of my neighbors have told me they are also afraid they will be shot by a stray bullet. It disturbs the whole neighborhood. I tried to talk to him about it and he got a bit huffy. Told me to stay out of his yard. Since I don't want to risk getting shot I have just stayed away. I called the police to ask for advice and they told me there was nothing they could do. 

 

I guess we just have to wait on him to accidentally shoot someone before anything gets done, or just live with the daily sound of gun fire.

 

About the shooting in Central....Wasn't it at night? Did I get that wrong? If it was...how are you target practicing in the dark? 

Good question, 9:30 at the night and you are shooting a beer can with a rifle?  Wouldn't you shoot a rifle at last 100 yards out in the day time?

Jank, it was reported to have happened around nine o'clock or later--definitely dark. "Courthouse officials" (whatever that may be) said the deputies found "neighbors" hiding behind a car. I don't know for sure what I'd do if I were being shot at, but apparently these neighbors had a cell phone to call, but didn't try to run/crawl for safety. That's one of the things that seems odd to me.

 

On the other side of the coin, it's been reported Campbell has a previous arrest for driving with a suspended license; it may very well be that he had a problem.

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by seeweed:

I think the deputy acted appropriately .  ]

I expect as more and more people practice their "rights" to carry a gun every damm where they go on their hip, this sort of thing will become more common. Too many people are a few watts short of a hundred watt light bulb, and think a gun on their hip makes them ten feet tall and bullet proof - especially after a drink or two.

This has absolutely nothing to do with conceal carry as he was at home with a rifle.  I bet your prediction is wrong nonetheless.

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of course you do.

Seeweed,

That has been the cry of opponents to the CCW laws for years and have yet to materialize.  The simple fact is CCW holders are statistically more law abiding than the general public.   Yes guys like this do this kind of stupid stuff but rarely does someone who has gone the extra step and received a CCW permit.

Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by seeweed:

I think the deputy acted appropriately .  ]

I expect as more and more people practice their "rights" to carry a gun every damm where they go on their hip, this sort of thing will become more common. Too many people are a few watts short of a hundred watt light bulb, and think a gun on their hip makes them ten feet tall and bullet proof - especially after a drink or two.

This has absolutely nothing to do with conceal carry as he was at home with a rifle.  I bet your prediction is wrong nonetheless.

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of course you do.

Seeweed,

That has been the cry of opponents to the CCW laws for years and have yet to materialize.  The simple fact is CCW holders are statistically more law abiding than the general public.   Yes guys like this do this kind of stupid stuff but rarely does someone who has gone the extra step and received a CCW permit.


Those who conceal carry are also much more likely to be protectors, aka sheepdogs.

Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by seeweed:

I think the deputy acted appropriately .  ]

I expect as more and more people practice their "rights" to carry a gun every damm where they go on their hip, this sort of thing will become more common. Too many people are a few watts short of a hundred watt light bulb, and think a gun on their hip makes them ten feet tall and bullet proof - especially after a drink or two.

This has absolutely nothing to do with conceal carry as he was at home with a rifle.  I bet your prediction is wrong nonetheless.

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of course you do.

Seeweed,

That has been the cry of opponents to the CCW laws for years and have yet to materialize.  The simple fact is CCW holders are statistically more law abiding than the general public.   Yes guys like this do this kind of stupid stuff but rarely does someone who has gone the extra step and received a CCW permit.

I agree.  How someone can take an incident involving a man with a rifle in his own yard and compare it to a licensed cc permit holder (or even someone practicing open carry) is beyond me.  

 

Oh, and for clarification, open carry has always been legal in AL.  

 

The only thing i expect to see is a huge diffence in the amount of stares when i chose to open carry (out walking in the neighborhood, going for off road riding trips, etc) as people become aware of the fact that it was not, and is not, illegal to do so.

 

As for those that are of the opinion that my pistol makes me feel like 'more of a man', I've heard the same thing about my truck and my off road toys, mostly from jealous people who ride in the 'i deserve one because you have one' wagon.  I usually just ignore them.....

I prefer to concealed carry as well.  I open carry my Glock (mainly for comfort) when we walk the neighborhood due to dogs (not worried about surprise) and when riding for snakes and such, again open for comfort.  I open carry all day the day I ride, so on stops for breakfast/dinner and gas on the way there and back, its on my hip.  No need to carry concealed, then put on my hip at the trailhead.  The joys of our ability to open carry.

 

I have a Ruger LCP for deep concealed carry and a M&P Shield with a tuckable holster the rest of the time.

Back on topic, I'll hold my opinion for now, too many unanswered questions.  Why was he shooting at 9pm?  Was he shooting at the neighbor or was the neighbor just tired of the noise?  Did the officer approach on foot without announcing himself as is being reported by some?  Why no blue lights?  If they knew he was armed and shooting, why would they approach without being clear who they were (as some are saying)?

 

A 22 rifle is not that loud, he should have been able to hear an officer announcing themselves between shots if he was out shooting cans. 

 

Lots of questions about this one.

 

Also, who makes facebook threats against officers.  Not very smart - some folks will end up arrested for it if they are not careful....

Capt., the officers went to the neighbors first. I'll assume they came from a direction away from Campbell's trailer and he never saw any vehicles. I keep seeing people ask why no lights and why not come in via driveway, but if it was a deranged shooter, wouldn't that be the last thing the officers would have wanted to do?

 

They then walked on foot through a field, and I gather from today's TD article, surrounded the porch. And being in the dark works both ways. The deputies couldn't see that the man was on crutches.

 

As for FB threats, I've glanced at the pages and it's mainly name calling and saying they'll put the shooter in prison, but a lot could have been taken down. It seems to come mainly from the man's only brother.

A lot of the officers, whom I know, wear body cameras for their protection for incidents such as this. The cams are relatively cheap in price, from where they were years ago when they first came out. If I were an administrator, it would be policy to equipment my officers with such a device and make it mandatory for it to be used. One department administrator, who I know has fired three officers for their attempts to cover up bad decisions caught on video. However the same administer has witnessed a 80% decline in complaints being filed against an officer with his department. Of the remaining 20% most were proven to be untruthful, when the video is played for the person complaining. If I were a sheriff, if the county commission failed to provide such an item for my officer, a wise sheriff would be willing to give up some of the pistol permit funds to purchase the required equipment. But then again, whoever said that sheriff’s were wise.

IF YOU WEREN'T THERE, you don't know what happened. 

 

Having said that, it only takes a FRACTION OF A SECOND for a seemingly 'routine' call (there IS no such thing) to 'Go South'.  That fraction of a second IS ALL any LEO at the scene has to make one determination: 'I'm going home ALIVE at the end of my shift.' 

 

If you still do not understand, refer to my opening statement.

The alcohol content? It will be interesting to find out if any of the deputies were found to have alcohol or drugs in their system. We all remember what happened in the case where Dr. Long’s son was killed by a Lauderdale County Deputy a few years back. The deputy had a half smoked joint in his car.

“The complaint also alleges that Deputy Slaton was under the influence of an illegal drug, as evidenced by these facts:  (1) a marijuana cigarette was found in the sheriff's cruiser after the shooting;  (2) Slaton was never tested for drugs after the shooting;  and (3) Long's body tested negative for marijuana. “  http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-...circuit/1275464.html

  

The deputies were tested for drugs in this recent case where Mr. Campbell was killed.

Originally Posted by Capt James T:

Back on topic, I'll hold my opinion for now, too many unanswered questions.  Why was he shooting at 9pm?  Was he shooting at the neighbor or was the neighbor just tired of the noise?  Did the officer approach on foot without announcing himself as is being reported by some?  Why no blue lights?  If they knew he was armed and shooting, why would they approach without being clear who they were (as some are saying)?

 

A 22 rifle is not that loud, he should have been able to hear an officer announcing themselves between shots if he was out shooting cans. 

 

Lots of questions about this one.

 

Also, who makes facebook threats against officers.  Not very smart - some folks will end up arrested for it if they are not careful....

Capt. it is an absolute atrocity that anyone expects officers to drive down a driveway with their "blue lights on" to approach a man shooting a rifle. Think about it logically. And of course they should use covert tactics. Wearing a badge doesn't mean you throw out all concern for your safety.

Originally Posted by Kate Colombo:

Capt., the officers went to the neighbors first. I'll assume they came from a direction away from Campbell's trailer and he never saw any vehicles. I keep seeing people ask why no lights and why not come in via driveway, but if it was a deranged shooter, wouldn't that be the last thing the officers would have wanted to do?

 

They then walked on foot through a field, and I gather from today's TD article, surrounded the porch. And being in the dark works both ways. The deputies couldn't see that the man was on crutches.

 

As for FB threats, I've glanced at the pages and it's mainly name calling and saying they'll put the shooter in prison, but a lot could have been taken down. It seems to come mainly from the man's only brother.

Thank you for using common sense Kate

Originally Posted by Quaildog:

The alcohol content? It will be interesting to find out if any of the deputies were found to have alcohol or drugs in their system. We all remember what happened in the case where Dr. Long’s son was killed by a Lauderdale County Deputy a few years back. The deputy had a half smoked joint in his car.

“The complaint also alleges that Deputy Slaton was under the influence of an illegal drug, as evidenced by these facts:  (1) a marijuana cigarette was found in the sheriff's cruiser after the shooting;  (2) Slaton was never tested for drugs after the shooting;  and (3) Long's body tested negative for marijuana. “  http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-...circuit/1275464.html

  

The deputies were tested for drugs in this recent case where Mr. Campbell was killed.

Baseless accusation. Of course, you've never let fact, honesty, or decency stand in the way of your posting.

I am confused.  You mean people can just sit on their porches and shoot guns off any time they want?  What if a neighbor happens to ride or walk by, or someone's child is playing outside?  This isn't anything to do with gun rights, but sincerely I am asking is it really legal to just sit around and shoot guns off porches any time and not expect a neighbor to wonder if something is wrong or get tired of gunshots and report it?  

 

And then when (and even if you love to shoot you wouldn't want to hear gunfire all the time) someone calls in to report gunfire, how are officers who respond, especially in the dark but any time, supposed to know that it is something harmless?  I want all the officers to go home safely, just as I want all the neighbors to be safe and this person to be treated fairly, but if you have been shooting off your gun and officers come up, why would they have lights and sirens?  Wouldn't that announce them and put them in danger?  And why assume the deputies are stoned or drunk when it is at least or more likely that the guy with the gun sitting around on his porch shooting it may have been drinking?  I mean I have no idea and am sincerely asking how the police were supposed to know he wasn't going to shoot them as well in the dark when they knew he had a gun and had been shooting it?

 

I have no stake in this story, nor do I know anyone involved, but it is scary to me to think that it's okay for people to sit randomly on their porches and just shoot off at...targets?  How is anyone safe if that's okay?  If I happen to drive by out on the highway by a house how does a person know no one will be hurt?  I am confused.  And how do you know it's not someone shooting up people if you hear gunfire that time of night?  Do you just ignore it?  How do you sleep with someone shooting near you and if you report it is anyone saying you shouldn't?  You have to live near people who shoot guns off their porches?  I don't understand and am being sincere.  It never occurred to me that anyone would do that?  I thought if you wanted to shoot targets you went to a deserted area or a range and set up cans or something? 

 

 

Quail, you seem to already assume they were doped up or something.  Why?  Were you there?  Or do you just not like law enforcement?  I agree some do awful things, but most are trying to do a good job.  The general public seems to be pretty good at getting loaded on dope and doing stupid, dangerous things, too.  Law enforcement officers come in good and bad just as anyone other group of people.

What's your people's problem? A man has been shot and killed by a deputy. Do you not have any concern? The incident involving drugs found in a deputy's car after he shot and killed Dr. Long's son is cause for alarm. Enough concern that all the deputies were drug tested after Campbell was killed. Farley I know you are brain dead I don't know about the frog.

Originally Posted by Quaildog:

What's your people's problem? A man has been shot and killed by a deputy. Do you not have any concern? The incident involving drugs found in a deputy's car after he shot and killed Dr. Long's son is cause for alarm. Enough concern that all the deputies were drug tested after Campbell was killed. Farley I know you are brain dead I don't know about the frog.


I don't remember writing anywhere that I had no concern.  I simply asked if it is legal and considered okay to sit around on your porch and shoot randomly.  Of course anyone with any sense would insist that people in authority who wear badges and guns would be sober.  Sounds fine to me to test them and test the guy who was apparently shooting off his porch at something or someone.  Everyone gets tested so there are no doubts...sure.  

 

But my concern is also for the possibility that I might be driving on a road by someone's house and get shot, or that my kids might be playing at someone's house and get shot.  There are many concerns to consider here.

Frog there is an abundance of idiots that shouldn’t have guns. Yes it is crazy to fire a gun in a residential area.  The fellow who threatened one of the forum posters is one but the police claimed there was nothing they can do. Really? Well the same department did in the case of Campbell. They went out and shot him. Maybe the neighbor called and said Campbell was shooting at them. Who knows?

   It is silly to argue that a cop doesn’t practice the art of killing people at a range. They use silhouette of people targets.

Originally Posted by Quaildog:

Frog there is an abundance of idiots that shouldn’t have guns. Yes it is crazy to fire a gun in a residential area.  The fellow who threatened one of the forum posters is one but the police claimed there was nothing they can do. Really? Well the same department did in the case of Campbell. They went out and shot him. Maybe the neighbor called and said Campbell was shooting at them. Who knows?

   It is silly to argue that a cop doesn’t practice the art of killing people at a range. They use silhouette of people targets.


Obviously many people aren't safe with guns.  yes, that is my point.  Who knows?

And of course police practice shooting targets that are shaped like people.  Why one earth wouldn't they since bad guys usually aren't shaped like anything else.  Who is arguing that?

Originally Posted by Quaildog:

and BTW the deputies were taken to be tested for drugs in the wee hours after Campbell was killed.

It's a hell-uv-a-note when you can't hire officers without the fear of them being loose cannons with a loaded gun on dope.

What's the point of your statement?  Great, they have to take a drug test.  At my department, if you're injured or in an accident on the job, you're gonna take a drug test.

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