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Hi to my Forum Friends,

In the earlier discussion I began, titled "America Is A Nation 'WITH' Immigrants - Not A Nation 'OF' Immigrants!' -- my new Forum  Friend, Reynaldo, who has admitted to being an illegal immigrant who grew up in California, tells us, "And if you think illegals are  going to go through a process that takes a long time for them to be a citizen, then you are crazy.  They rather just come in and work  and make a better community instead of dealing with all that PAPERWORK!"

Yes, Reynaldo, many people from other countries would just RATHER come into America and work.  But, since they cannot climb a  fence or swim the Rio Grande -- they have to go through legal channels.  Should people from South America and Mexico -- not to  mention the many thousands from other countries, and including terrorists, who come into America through Mexico -- be allowed a  privileged status?  No.

I have many Friends from other nations who go through legal channels to bring their families, their spouses, children, parents,  siblings, to America to live with them.  And, guess what -- many of them wait five, ten years for legal permission. Don't you think  they would, as you have said about Hispanics -- love to have their family in America tomorrow?  Yet, they do it through legal  channels, they are legal immigrants -- and they are welcomed with open arms.  Why should people from south of our borders be  treated differently, given special status -- just because they can climb a fence?

Then, Reynaldo tells us, "They are not bothering you, so you shouldn't worry about them.  Unless they are coming into your house  and destroying property, then yes."

So, Reynaldo, if you saw people breaking into and burglarizing your neighbor's home -- you would just look the other way; because  they are not breaking into your home -- right?   Wrong!

And, illegal immigrants ARE robbing every single taxpaying American citizen.  The tax money spent on welfare, medical, law  enforcement, education, and many other areas of American society -- to support the illegal immigrant communities -- IS robbing  Americans.  It is robbing every single American citizen.

Next, Reynaldo, you declare, "Oh and i Know a truck load of Illegals that have helped out people in Alabama's tornado destruction  by bringing them hot food, water, boots, and everything else. You think any of those people rejected their food or unwelcomed them?  NO, they took the food and said God Bless You."

Was that a good deed, a welcomed and blessed good deed?  Yes.  And, as you said, I am sure it was appreciated.  However, if  someone robs your home, i.e, your nation -- and then comes to offer you help; does this make his/her illegal activity any less  illegal?  No.  Robin Hood was just a fictional story.

Reynaldo tells us, "Assimilating.  And its not that they don't respect the laws, its just that it takes a long time to become a citizen.   I know these people personally, and what their intentions are."

You say the illegals from south of the border are assimilating.  Then, why do I quite frequently meet Hispanics, of all ages, who  cannot speak at least a smidgen of English?  And, many of these people have been in America for years.  Why does our  government have to pay the financial burden to print every document and form in multiple languages -- if they are assimilated?

A few years ago, a new family moved in next door to me.  All during the day, the mother had her music blasting and when I would  knock on her door and ask her to lower it, all I got was, "No habla Ingles!"  Finally, I got fed up and went to the complex  management about it.  Later that day, as I was walking toward the office, my neighbor lady was walking toward me.  When we met,  she angrily asked, "Why did you complain to management about me?"   And, my response, "Oh, wonderful, you have miraculously  learned to speak English!  See what a great help I was to you?"

And, I have met many, many people who have had the same experience -- when they do not want to answer, "No habla Ingles!"   You call this assimilation?  I call it arrogance and deceit.

You tell us, "Nobody leaves their home country to go to another to kill people, to disrespect anyone, and to form gangs.  Your kids  are probably in a gang.  They come here to work and have a better life.  Every nationality has their own people that break laws.  For  example, people do marijuana.  Is it legal?  No it's not, but people still do it.  What kind of people do it? Whites, Blacks, Browns,  everybody does it.  That is just an example.  Do you think there is time to deport and care for all the illegals? No."

So, because there are American citizens who break our laws -- we should just look the other way when 12,000,000 from south of the  border break our laws by entering America illegally?   Somehow, that logic just does not sit well with me.  We have lawbreakers in  America -- so, we should welcome 12, 000,000 more to add to our already overburdened economy?  That logic just seems to elude  me.

You say, "They come here to work and have a better life."

So, that justifies breaking the laws of America -- "I want a better life!" ?  Well, guess what, Reynaldo, many, many Americans want a  better life also.  But, we do not resort to doing things that are illegal to obtain that better life.  And, how many thieves, burglars, muggers, etc., do you suppose would say the same thing, "I just want a better life!"   Fine, get your better life -- but, get it legally.

And, Reynaldo, you tell us, "Don't U.S. citizens misuse social resources, emergency medical services, your already burdened  judicial system.  Sure not all of them, and also not all the Illegals.  They are a drain on your public education system?  How?"

Once again, you are using the logic that because some American citizens misuse and illegally use our social resources -- we  should welcome 12, 000,000 more to do the same.    No, those Americans who are doing this should be prosecuted.  And, those  illegals who are guilty -- and they all are guilty of breaking our laws when they entered America illegally -- should be deported.  Short  and sweet.

If you then want to reenter America legally -- we welcome you with open arms.

What?  You say that is too much trouble?  Fine, then stay in Mexico or whatever country is your home country.

You ask, "They are a drain on your public education system?  How?"

Our schools are already having to stretch their dwindling budgets, have much larger class sizes, close many schools, and make the  teachers carry heavier loads.  Add the burden to have multi-lingual teachers to that already overtaxed school system.  And, this is  just the tip of the iceberg in evaluating the burden of illegals flowing into our school systems.

And, finally, Reynaldo tells us, "Do you know how many Illegal students in the state of California have the knowledge to become a  doctor but simply can't because they don't have a green card?  To me that's just stupid not letting a person care for someone else's  health because of not having a green card."

Would you to to a doctor who is not licensed?  Would you go to a doctor who does not have a medical degree?  Would you take  your children to a clinic which is not certified by the Medical Board?  If they want to be in the medical field -- let them get their education, Green Card, and pass the certification exam.

If they are intelligent enough to earn a medical degree -- one would assume they are intelligent enough to get their Green Card.  And, since it takes about eight years or more to earn a medical degree -- that gives them plenty of time to do the legal paperwork.  Sounds like a win-win situation to me.

Now let's talk about a people who have a much higher percentage of working doctors, nurses, and medical personal -- the Filipino  people.  Go to almost any hospital and you will find a large number of Filipino people working in the medical field.  Years ago, at the  time of the wedding of Charles and Diane, I was in the hospital for a stomach problem.  My doctor was a Filipina and virtually all the nurses in that hospital were Filipino.  I got a kick out of many of the nurses.  Since they knew my wife was a Filipina, many of them  would sneak into my room periodically to watch the wedding on television with us.

But, guess what, Reynaldo?  All of these people went through the normal channels to be working in the medical field in America.   None of them were given the special privilege you say we should give to people who climb the fence.

I know many Filipinos who were working doctors, dentists, etc., before immigrating to America.  Now, many of them are working, not  as doctors, but as lab techs, nurses, etc. -- as they also work to pass the American Medical Board to get their license to practice in  America.  Yet, you say that we just let these people work through the normal channels, take years to accomplish their goals -- but,  we should make the way easier for those from south of the border to immediately get their Green Card and credentials?

Once again, your logic reeks of bias -- negative bias against everyone who would tell you to work for the privilege of being an American citizen.

Maybe, just possibly, if those "Illegal students in the state of California" you mentioned and whom you claim deserve special  treatment -- would take the time to go through normal, legal channels -- and would stop spending their time in protest marches, picketing, and demanding their "rights" (which they do not have because they are illegal) -- they would have time to get their Green Cards and solve their problems.

By the way, who is paying for the education of these "Illegal students in the state of California"?  Another burden on an already bankrupt state of California?

Reynaldo, work with us and we welcome you with open arms.   Keep arrogantly demanding your illegal rights and demanding  that California, Arizona, and New Mexico be returned to Mexico -- and we say, "Welcome to the bus for the border.  Please have your 'south of the border' government send reimbursement checks for your deportation expenses, soon!"

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill, you have stated thatyou have friends who you know to be illegal. This is a quote from a thread you started yesterday: "And, I do have friends, both Hispanic and Filipino, who I know to be illegal.  They are wonderful people and I love them dearly.  They are illegal and, because of that, they are breaking the laws of America."

 

I asked you to tell me if you have reported them, and if not, why not. You refuse to answer. That tells me that you have NOT reported them. That proves that you are willing to TALK about your beliefs, but are not willing to ACT on them. In other words, everything you have posted in these THREE THREADS about illegal immigration is nothing but hot air.

 

If you so strongly believe that the law should be upheld, it is your DUTY to report these people. If you won't do that, then NOTHING you say on the subject is worth listening to.

My, my., O No,

 

All of this trolling just because I told you that your Wiccan religion is a New Age religion?  What would you be doing if I told you that it is cult religion?  No, it is just one of the false world religions based upon pantheistic worldly superstitions.   But, you go, girl!

 

By the way, no constructive comments on the current issues mentioned in my new discussion?

 

But, to put your mind at rest (that is possible, isn't it?) -- if these people were out marching in protest marches, marching in picket lines, demanding their "undeserved" rights -- yes, I would call the nearest INS agent.

 

Otherwise, I help them find the help they need to get their Green Card.  We have taken a number of people to a very good immigration lawyer in Los Angeles -- and he has helped them.  So, we took a problem -- and working through legal channels -- resolved the problem.  Yet, we have seen friends who were not able to resolve their problem and had to go back to their home country.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by O No!:

Bill, you have stated thatyou have friends who you know to be illegal. This is a quote from a thread you started yesterday: "And, I do have friends, both Hispanic and Filipino, who I know to be illegal.  They are wonderful people and I love them dearly.  They are illegal and, because of that, they are breaking the laws of America."

 

I asked you to tell me if you have reported them, and if not, why not. You refuse to answer. That tells me that you have NOT reported them. That proves that you are willing to TALK about your beliefs, but are not willing to ACT on them. In other words, everything you have posted in these THREE THREADS about illegal immigration is nothing but hot air.

 

If you so strongly believe that the law should be upheld, it is your DUTY to report these people. If you won't do that, then NOTHING you say on the subject is worth listening to.

Thank You for saying that!

Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:

I'll say it,

Raynaldo go home. Your breaking the law. Give me your address and I'll report your a**.

 

Your Pal Skippy

I said I was talking about my parents, aunts, uncles that are Illegal. I said my home state is California, where i was born. But i will give you props when you report and deport the Illegals in America. ALL OF THEM. If you hate them so much, deport them. Go ahead. This country is not becoming a 3rd world country, it's just changing.

Wow, Bill, you must be losing it. You seem to have me mixed up with someone else. I have never even considered the Wiccan thing a religion, let alone participated in any such thing. I HAVE however, quit the religion forum because of the atheists over there constantly insulting the intelligence of Christians for believing. And because YOU insult the very God you claim to love by taking His name in vain - using His name to promote your POLITICAL agenda. YOU give Christians a bad name every time you sit down to type.

 

However, this is the POLITICS forum, and your weak attempt to insult me because of your weird, mistaken idea about my religion has no place here.

 

I asked you a polite question yesterday and in typical Bill Gray fashion, you refused to answer until I "called you out".

 

As for MY opinion on this subject, although you don't deserve an answer, I am not like you. I WILL answer questions. And I actually agree with much of what you posted. I believe that if something is against the law, that law should be upheld. I believe that those who come to America to gain a better life should do so legally, and they should learn the language, and treat their new country with respect.

 

I also understand what a long and difficult process it is to go the legal route. That is why I think out immigration laws need to be reformed, because as Reynaldo pointed out, in many ways, immigrants strengthen our country.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi to my Forum Friends,

In the earlier discussion I began, titled "America Is A Nation 'WITH' Immigrants - Not A Nation 'OF' Immigrants!' -- my new Forum  Friend, Reynaldo, who has admitted to being an illegal immigrant who grew up in California, tells us, "And if you think illegals are  going to go through a process that takes a long time for them to be a citizen, then you are crazy.  They rather just come in and work  and make a better community instead of dealing with all that PAPERWORK!"

Yes, Reynaldo, many people from other countries would just RATHER come into America and work.  But, since they cannot climb a  fence or swim the Rio Grande -- they have to go through legal channels.  Should people from South America and Mexico -- not to  mention the many thousands from other countries, and including terrorists, who come into America through Mexico -- be allowed a  privileged status?  No.

I have many Friends from other nations who go through legal channels to bring their families, their spouses, children, parents,  siblings, to America to live with them.  And, guess what -- many of them wait five, ten years for legal permission. Don't you think  they would, as you have said about Hispanics -- love to have their family in America tomorrow?  Yet, they do it through legal  channels, they are legal immigrants -- and they are welcomed with open arms.  Why should people from south of our borders be  treated differently, given special status -- just because they can climb a fence?

Then, Reynaldo tells us, "They are not bothering you, so you shouldn't worry about them.  Unless they are coming into your house  and destroying property, then yes."

So, Reynaldo, if you saw people breaking into and burglarizing your neighbor's home -- you would just look the other way; because  they are not breaking into your home -- right?   Wrong!

And, illegal immigrants ARE robbing every single taxpaying American citizen.  The tax money spent on welfare, medical, law  enforcement, education, and many other areas of American society -- to support the illegal immigrant communities -- IS robbing  Americans.  It is robbing every single American citizen.

Next, Reynaldo, you declare, "Oh and i Know a truck load of Illegals that have helped out people in Alabama's tornado destruction  by bringing them hot food, water, boots, and everything else. You think any of those people rejected their food or unwelcomed them?  NO, they took the food and said God Bless You."

Was that a good deed, a welcomed and blessed good deed?  Yes.  And, as you said, I am sure it was appreciated.  However, if  someone robs your home, i.e, your nation -- and then comes to offer you help; does this make his/her illegal activity any less  illegal?  No.  Robin Hood was just a fictional story.

Reynaldo tells us, "Assimilating.  And its not that they don't respect the laws, its just that it takes a long time to become a citizen.   I know these people personally, and what their intentions are."

You say the illegals from south of the border are assimilating.  Then, why do I quite frequently meet Hispanics, of all ages, who  cannot speak at least a smidgen of English?  And, many of these people have been in America for years.  Why does our  government have to pay the financial burden to print every document and form in multiple languages -- if they are assimilated?

A few years ago, a new family moved in next door to me.  All during the day, the mother had her music blasting and when I would  knock on her door and ask her to lower it, all I got was, "No habla Ingles!"  Finally, I got fed up and went to the complex  management about it.  Later that day, as I was walking toward the office, my neighbor lady was walking toward me.  When we met,  she angrily asked, "Why did you complain to management about me?"   And, my response, "Oh, wonderful, you have miraculously  learned to speak English!  See what a great help I was to you?"

And, I have met many, many people who have had the same experience -- when they do not want to answer, "No habla Ingles!"   You call this assimilation?  I call it arrogance and deceit.

You tell us, "Nobody leaves their home country to go to another to kill people, to disrespect anyone, and to form gangs.  Your kids  are probably in a gang.  They come here to work and have a better life.  Every nationality has their own people that break laws.  For  example, people do marijuana.  Is it legal?  No it's not, but people still do it.  What kind of people do it? Whites, Blacks, Browns,  everybody does it.  That is just an example.  Do you think there is time to deport and care for all the illegals? No."

So, because there are American citizens who break our laws -- we should just look the other way when 12,000,000 from south of the  border break our laws by entering America illegally?   Somehow, that logic just does not sit well with me.  We have lawbreakers in  America -- so, we should welcome 12, 000,000 more to add to our already overburdened economy?  That logic just seems to elude  me.

You say, "They come here to work and have a better life."

So, that justifies breaking the laws of America -- "I want a better life!" ?  Well, guess what, Reynaldo, many, many Americans want a  better life also.  But, we do not resort to doing things that are illegal to obtain that better life.  And, how many thieves, burglars, muggers, etc., do you suppose would say the same thing, "I just want a better life!"   Fine, get your better life -- but, get it legally.

And, Reynaldo, you tell us, "Don't U.S. citizens misuse social resources, emergency medical services, your already burdened  judicial system.  Sure not all of them, and also not all the Illegals.  They are a drain on your public education system?  How?"

Once again, you are using the logic that because some American citizens misuse and illegally use our social resources -- we  should welcome 12, 000,000 more to do the same.    No, those Americans who are doing this should be prosecuted.  And, those  illegals who are guilty -- and they all are guilty of breaking our laws when they entered America illegally -- should be deported.  Short  and sweet.

If you then want to reenter America legally -- we welcome you with open arms.

What?  You say that is too much trouble?  Fine, then stay in Mexico or whatever country is your home country.

You ask, "They are a drain on your public education system?  How?"

Our schools are already having to stretch their dwindling budgets, have much larger class sizes, close many schools, and make the  teachers carry heavier loads.  Add the burden to have multi-lingual teachers to that already overtaxed school system.  And, this is  just the tip of the iceberg in evaluating the burden of illegals flowing into our school systems.

And, finally, Reynaldo tells us, "Do you know how many Illegal students in the state of California have the knowledge to become a  doctor but simply can't because they don't have a green card?  To me that's just stupid not letting a person care for someone else's  health because of not having a green card."

Would you to to a doctor who is not licensed?  Would you go to a doctor who does not have a medical degree?  Would you take  your children to a clinic which is not certified by the Medical Board?  If they want to be in the medical field -- let them get their education, Green Card, and pass the certification exam.

If they are intelligent enough to earn a medical degree -- one would assume they are intelligent enough to get their Green Card.  And, since it takes about eight years or more to earn a medical degree -- that gives them plenty of time to do the legal paperwork.  Sounds like a win-win situation to me.

Now let's talk about a people who have a much higher percentage of working doctors, nurses, and medical personal -- the Filipino  people.  Go to almost any hospital and you will find a large number of Filipino people working in the medical field.  Years ago, at the  time of the wedding of Charles and Diane, I was in the hospital for a stomach problem.  My doctor was a Filipina and virtually all the nurses in that hospital were Filipino.  I got a kick out of many of the nurses.  Since they knew my wife was a Filipina, many of them  would sneak into my room periodically to watch the wedding on television with us.

But, guess what, Reynaldo?  All of these people went through the normal channels to be working in the medical field in America.   None of them were given the special privilege you say we should give to people who climb the fence.

I know many Filipinos who were working doctors, dentists, etc., before immigrating to America.  Now, many of them are working, not  as doctors, but as lab techs, nurses, etc. -- as they also work to pass the American Medical Board to get their license to practice in  America.  Yet, you say that we just let these people work through the normal channels, take years to accomplish their goals -- but,  we should make the way easier for those from south of the border to immediately get their Green Card and credentials?

Once again, your logic reeks of bias -- negative bias against everyone who would tell you to work for the privilege of being an American citizen.

Maybe, just possibly, if those "Illegal students in the state of California" you mentioned and whom you claim deserve special  treatment -- would take the time to go through normal, legal channels -- and would stop spending their time in protest marches, picketing, and demanding their "rights" (which they do not have because they are illegal) -- they would have time to get their Green Cards and solve their problems.

By the way, who is paying for the education of these "Illegal students in the state of California"?  Another burden on an already bankrupt state of California?

Reynaldo, work with us and we welcome you with open arms.   Keep arrogantly demanding your illegal rights and demanding  that California, Arizona, and New Mexico be returned to Mexico -- and we say, "Welcome to the bus for the border.  Please have your 'south of the border' government send reimbursement checks for your deportation expenses, soon!"

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

I never admitted that I was an Illegal Alien who grew up in California. If you read, i said that i was talking about my parents,aunts,uncles,ect. I said that my homes state is California, where i was born. LIke i said earlier, it's hard to learn a language when you are in your 20s,30s, than when you are a baby. And especially when you come to a different country with a different language than yours. But maybe you don't know how it feels, because you havent gone to any other country. Of course, they learn only the basics of that country's language, but it would be really hard for them to become fluent if they are in their 20s or 30s.

You said, "So, Reynaldo, if you saw people breaking into and burglarizing your neighbor's home -- you would just look the other way; because  they are not breaking into your home -- right?   Wrong!" . No, of course i would not. I would call the cops or something. It's common sense that anybody would call the cops on something like that. If you are getting bothered by them, then why not deport them. Deport them ALL, and i will give you props for that.  And many Illegals are getting their citizenship by having kids in America, and when their kids are 21, then their foreign-born parents would have the chance to become citizens. Heck that's what im doing. Come Silly Billy, deport ALL OF THEM. See how much the economy will go down, and see the changes in America. ROLL TIDE.

Originally Posted by O No!:

Wow, Bill, you must be losing it. You seem to have me mixed up with someone else. I have never even considered the Wiccan thing a religion, let alone participated in any such thing. I HAVE however, quit the religion forum because of the atheists over there constantly insulting the intelligence of Christians for believing. And because YOU insult the very God you claim to love by taking His name in vain - using His name to promote your POLITICAL agenda. YOU give Christians a bad name every time you sit down to type.

 

However, this is the POLITICS forum, and your weak attempt to insult me because of your weird, mistaken idea about my religion has no place here.

 

I asked you a polite question yesterday and in typical Bill Gray fashion, you refused to answer until I "called you out".

 

As for MY opinion on this subject, although you don't deserve an answer, I am not like you. I WILL answer questions. And I actually agree with much of what you posted. I believe that if something is against the law, that law should be upheld. I believe that those who come to America to gain a better life should do so legally, and they should learn the language, and treat their new country with respect.

 

I also understand what a long and difficult process it is to go the legal route. That is why I think out immigration laws need to be reformed, because as Reynaldo pointed out, in many ways, immigrants strengthen our country.

I agree with you O NO!

Originally Posted by Reynaldo:
Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:

I'll say it,

Reynaldo go home. Your breaking the law. Give me your address and I'll report your a**.

 

Your Pal Skippy

I said I was talking about my parents, aunts, uncles that are Illegal. I said my home state is California, where i was born. But i will give you props when you report and deport the Illegals in America. ALL OF THEM. If you hate them so much, deport them. Go ahead. This country is not becoming a 3rd world country, it's just changing.

Reynaldo,

I have to apologise. That was a stupid comment. I've got nothing against you or your

parents, or any of the hard working people that came in illegally. I just think at this

time in our country we need to be careful at our borders. There are so many bad people

that are comeing across the borders with the people who just want to better their lives.

Anyway you I hope can see my concern. I wish you and your family the best. I don't

agree with your parents comeing in illegally, but I can understand the reason they

did. I know we can't just throw everyone out, nor would I want to. We just need to

secure our borders for our countries saftey. Then we can make the laws a little easier

for honest immigrants to be able to have a chance to come in to this country.

 

Skippy

 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

My, my., O No,

 

All of this trolling just because I told you that your Wiccan religion is a New Age religion?  What would you be doing if I told you that it is cult religion?  No, it is just one of the false world religions based upon pantheistic worldly superstitions.   But, you go, girl!

 

By the way, no constructive comments on the current issues mentioned in my new discussion?

 

But, to put your mind at rest (that is possible, isn't it?) -- if these people were out marching in protest marches, marching in picket lines, demanding their "undeserved" rights -- yes, I would call the nearest INS agent.

 

Otherwise, I help them find the help they need to get their Green Card.  We have taken a number of people to a very good immigration lawyer in Los Angeles -- and he has helped them.  So, we took a problem -- and working through legal channels -- resolved the problem.  Yet, we have seen friends who were not able to resolve their problem and had to go back to their home country.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

All religions are false, and all are cults. This includes you, Bill.

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

ALL illegal aliens, REGARDLESS of country of origin, should be apprehended and deported.  America has a lawful process by which immigrants can LEGALLY enter this country and become citizens.  Immigrants unwilling to follow this process are 'thumbing their collective noses' at ALL legal immigrants and do not belong here.

And if you want to live in the Confederacy, you should go there. This is your cue to call me something or tell me to do something that will be censored.

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

ALL illegal aliens, REGARDLESS of country of origin, should be apprehended and deported.  America has a lawful process by which immigrants can LEGALLY enter this country and become citizens.  Immigrants unwilling to follow this process are 'thumbing their collective noses' at ALL legal immigrants and do not belong here.

A Federal Appeals Court in Kansas recently ruled that "remaining in the country after entering illegally is not illegal".

Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:
Originally Posted by Reynaldo:
Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:

I'll say it,

Reynaldo go home. Your breaking the law. Give me your address and I'll report your a**.

 

Your Pal Skippy

I said I was talking about my parents, aunts, uncles that are Illegal. I said my home state is California, where i was born. But i will give you props when you report and deport the Illegals in America. ALL OF THEM. If you hate them so much, deport them. Go ahead. This country is not becoming a 3rd world country, it's just changing.

Reynaldo,

I have to apologise. That was a stupid comment. I've got nothing against you or your

parents, or any of the hard working people that came in illegally. I just think at this

time in our country we need to be careful at our borders. There are so many bad people

that are comeing across the borders with the people who just want to better their lives.

Anyway you I hope can see my concern. I wish you and your family the best. I don't

agree with your parents comeing in illegally, but I can understand the reason they

did. I know we can't just throw everyone out, nor would I want to. We just need to

secure our borders for our countries saftey. Then we can make the laws a little easier

for honest immigrants to be able to have a chance to come in to this country.

 

Skippy

 

No hard feelings because i dont know you. Well like i said i know the intentions of the Hispanic immigrants, and that is just to work. Sure, there are Hispanic killer,gangsters,thugs,robbers, but which race doesnt. And yes i also think that America needs to secure its borders because of what's going on in Mexico right now and the drug cartels. But for the ones that are already here and working illegaly, i just think they need to be given a chance to work, i mean every human should.

I am new to this forum about illegal immigrants.  In fact i'm new to this kind of thing in general.  So please be patient with me.  However, I do have definite feelings about the subject.  Our government is totally messed up right now.  I will not point fingers at any one person, because no one person is at fault.  We have to do better on every level.  But continuing to allow illegal immigrants to stay in this country while they take jobs from bonafied American Citizens, is not a good start.  I also understand why people south of the border want into this country.  But not becoming a citizen because of the paperwork?  Give me a break.  Just wait until you become a citizen and check out all the paperwork.  Believe me, it doesn't get any easier.  I'm just sayin'.

Originally Posted by AUsassygirl:

I am new to this forum about illegal immigrants.  In fact i'm new to this kind of thing in general.  So please be patient with me.  However, I do have definite feelings about the subject.  Our government is totally messed up right now.  I will not point fingers at any one person, because no one person is at fault.  We have to do better on every level.  But continuing to allow illegal immigrants to stay in this country while they take jobs from bonafied American Citizens, is not a good start.  I also understand why people south of the border want into this country.  But not becoming a citizen because of the paperwork?  Give me a break.  Just wait until you become a citizen and check out all the paperwork.  Believe me, it doesn't get any easier.  I'm just sayin'.

Please enlighten up as to which jobs they are taking from " bonafied American Citizens", as well as which " bonafied American Citizens" are giving those jobs to illegals, instead of giving those jobs to " bonafied American Citizens". Something doesn't make sense here.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

ALL illegal aliens, REGARDLESS of country of origin, should be apprehended and deported.  America has a lawful process by which immigrants can LEGALLY enter this country and become citizens.  Immigrants unwilling to follow this process are 'thumbing their collective noses' at ALL legal immigrants and do not belong here.

A Federal Appeals Court in Kansas recently ruled that "remaining in the country after entering illegally is not illegal".

Judges make mistakes.  They aren't infallable.

Originally Posted by O No!:

Bill, you have stated thatyou have friends who you know to be illegal. This is a quote from a thread you started yesterday: "And, I do have friends, both Hispanic and Filipino, who I know to be illegal.  They are wonderful people and I love them dearly.  They are illegal and, because of that, they are breaking the laws of America."

 

I asked you to tell me if you have reported them, and if not, why not. You refuse to answer. That tells me that you have NOT reported them. That proves that you are willing to TALK about your beliefs, but are not willing to ACT on them. In other words, everything you have posted in these THREE THREADS about illegal immigration is nothing but hot air.

 

If you so strongly believe that the law should be upheld, it is your DUTY to report these people. If you won't do that, then NOTHING you say on the subject is worth listening to.

 

Who would you in your "uprightness" report them to? The same Feds whose hands are virtually tied and most efforts go for naught? Those Feds? Riiiight....

Originally Posted by marksw59:
Originally Posted by O No!:

Bill, you have stated thatyou have friends who you know to be illegal. This is a quote from a thread you started yesterday: "And, I do have friends, both Hispanic and Filipino, who I know to be illegal.  They are wonderful people and I love them dearly.  They are illegal and, because of that, they are breaking the laws of America."

 

I asked you to tell me if you have reported them, and if not, why not. You refuse to answer. That tells me that you have NOT reported them. That proves that you are willing to TALK about your beliefs, but are not willing to ACT on them. In other words, everything you have posted in these THREE THREADS about illegal immigration is nothing but hot air.

 

If you so strongly believe that the law should be upheld, it is your DUTY to report these people. If you won't do that, then NOTHING you say on the subject is worth listening to.

 

Who would you in your "uprightness" report them to? The same Feds whose hands are virtually tied and most efforts go for naught? Those Feds? Riiiight....

marksw59, if you dont like illegal aliens, why dont you report or deport every looking person who may look like they are illegal?

Originally Posted by Reynaldo:
Originally Posted by marksw59:
Originally Posted by O No!:

Bill, you have stated thatyou have friends who you know to be illegal. This is a quote from a thread you started yesterday: "And, I do have friends, both Hispanic and Filipino, who I know to be illegal.  They are wonderful people and I love them dearly.  They are illegal and, because of that, they are breaking the laws of America."

 

I asked you to tell me if you have reported them, and if not, why not. You refuse to answer. That tells me that you have NOT reported them. That proves that you are willing to TALK about your beliefs, but are not willing to ACT on them. In other words, everything you have posted in these THREE THREADS about illegal immigration is nothing but hot air.

 

If you so strongly believe that the law should be upheld, it is your DUTY to report these people. If you won't do that, then NOTHING you say on the subject is worth listening to.

 

Who would you in your "uprightness" report them to? The same Feds whose hands are virtually tied and most efforts go for naught? Those Feds? Riiiight....

marksw59, if you dont like illegal aliens, why dont you report or deport every looking person who may look like they are illegal?

Did you NOT read this... "Who would you in your "uprightness" report them to? The same Feds whose hands are virtually tied and most efforts go for naught? Those Feds? Riiiight...." If so, which part escapes your understanding?

 

And I have to suppose the you meant to say, "...why don't you report or deport every Hispanic looking person who may look like they are illegal?"

I won't do that, it would be racist.

Last edited by marksw59
Originally Posted by marksw59:
Originally Posted by Reynaldo:
Originally Posted by marksw59:
Originally Posted by O No!:

Bill, you have stated thatyou have friends who you know to be illegal. This is a quote from a thread you started yesterday: "And, I do have friends, both Hispanic and Filipino, who I know to be illegal.  They are wonderful people and I love them dearly.  They are illegal and, because of that, they are breaking the laws of America."

 

I asked you to tell me if you have reported them, and if not, why not. You refuse to answer. That tells me that you have NOT reported them. That proves that you are willing to TALK about your beliefs, but are not willing to ACT on them. In other words, everything you have posted in these THREE THREADS about illegal immigration is nothing but hot air.

 

If you so strongly believe that the law should be upheld, it is your DUTY to report these people. If you won't do that, then NOTHING you say on the subject is worth listening to.

 

Who would you in your "uprightness" report them to? The same Feds whose hands are virtually tied and most efforts go for naught? Those Feds? Riiiight....

marksw59, if you dont like illegal aliens, why dont you report or deport every looking person who may look like they are illegal?

Did you NOT read this... "Who would you in your "uprightness" report them to? The same Feds whose hands are virtually tied and most efforts go for naught? Those Feds? Riiiight...." If so, which part escapes your understanding?

 

And I have to suppose the you meant to say, "...why don't you report or deport every Hispanic looking person who may look like they are illegal?"

I won't do that, it would be racist.

Ok that would be racist, but how are you doing your part? are you doing anything that will erase the illegal immigration problem. How can you tell if a person is illegal? 

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