Should Iraq Pay For Their Rebuilding?

Yes, with the profits they now have, they should.

I agree. It's time they start rebuilding their own country, now that they have the means.

The country is stabilizing, they want us to leave. It's time to start quietly making an exit.

We've got plenty of oil in our own country. I think most Americans have seen just how addicted we are to it. We've had our intervention, now it's time to start rehab.

We have to drill off shore and in ANWR to keep the prices affordable and reduce Mid East dependence, but we also have to start developing alternate means of energy so that we can get away from oil. Nuclear, hydrogen, solar, whatever.

Necessity is the mother of invention, and we've quickly realized that getting off of oil is a necessity. I think within our lifetimes we'll see a huge development that will do just that.

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Originally posted by NashBama:
The country is stabilizing, they want us to leave. It's time to start quietly making an exit.

We've got plenty of oil in our own country. I think most Americans have seen just how addicted we are to it. We've had our intervention, now it's time to start rehab.

We have to drill off shore and in ANWR to keep the prices affordable and reduce Mid East dependence, but we also have to start developing alternate means of energy so that we can get away from oil. Nuclear, hydrogen, solar, whatever.

Necessity is the mother of invention, and we've quickly realized that getting off of oil is a necessity. I think within our lifetimes we'll see a huge development that will do just that.

Nash, we can't leave, please see my other posts for that, yeah we have other hydrocarbon resources, but bringing that to market, and in light of our tremendous need, we need that oil and the control of the oil patch, at least for the foreseeable future.

regards, miamizsun

As the infrastructure rebuilds we will start to reap the benefits of hanging in there and inserting a form of democracy in the center of the middle eastern governmental structure.
We will see more oil flowing in the years to come, with the USA getting our share in order to keep our oil prices in a category that our economic model can operate in....
However, this is not the answer to our own oil addiction...new, alternative energy is the answer for us...if we keep doing the same ole thing...then we will repeat history just as we repeated the 1980's under Carter...

Will they pay us back? That is a question that can not be answered until we cash the check...lets hope so...cause uncle sam has written too many checks without the funds already.

We will see more oil flowing in the years to come, with the USA getting our share in order to keep our oil prices in a category that our economic model can operate in....

And all we had to do was kill 100,000 civilians! It's funny that none of the chickenhawks on this board, people who weren't willing to get their own fingers dirty, think nothing of the fact that people have to be murdered by the thousands so you can fill up your oversized SUVs. Praise Jesus! And to think, it only took 6 years for the conservatives to admit that this war really was about oil. Jesus must be so proud of our righteous foriegn policy. "Who would Jesus bomb?" indeed.

I would like to take a second to thank the chicken hawks for their noble efforts and sacrifices. Putting that tacky, made in China, American flag on the back of your SUV must have required 30 seconds of intense effort. What an awesome display of courage and patriotism! Your sacrifice has not gone unnoticed by this observer.

I sincrely doubt we killed 100,000 civilians, but at least you're number is well below the 650,000 quoted by a number of loons.

Most of the civilians were killed by IEDs or raids on warring neighborhoods. Al Qaeda was responsible for most of the civilian deaths in the north west, that was the reason for the Anbar Awakening.

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Originally posted by rhenderson007:
We will see more oil flowing in the years to come, with the USA getting our share in order to keep our oil prices in a category that our economic model can operate in....

And all we had to do was kill 100,000 civilians! It's funny that none of the chickenhawks on this board, people who weren't willing to get their own fingers dirty, think nothing of the fact that people have to be murdered by the thousands so you can fill up your oversized SUVs. Praise Jesus! And to think, it only took 6 years for the conservatives to admit that this war really was about oil. Jesus must be so proud of our righteous foriegn policy. "Who would Jesus bomb?" indeed.

I would like to take a second to thank the chicken hawks for their noble efforts and sacrifices. Putting that tacky, made in China, American flag on the back of your SUV must have required 30 seconds of intense effort. What an awesome display of courage and patriotism! Your sacrifice has not gone unnoticed by this observer.

Uh-oh! One of JJ's offspring just hatched!

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Originally posted by interventor1:
I sincrely doubt we killed 100,000 civilians, but at least you're number is well below the 650,000 quoted by a number of loons.

Most of the civilians were killed by IEDs or raids on warring neighborhoods. Al Qaeda was responsible for most of the civilian deaths in the north west, that was the reason for the Anbar Awakening.

interventor,interventor1 or Howard? Will the real interventor please stand up.

JJ,

I originally posted as interventor. I am not Howard Roarke. He's a bit liberal for my taste.

From what little I've read of your posts, I'm singularly unimpressed.

yes. We should leave soon as possible, and it won't be too soon.

We promised we'd leave when they asked us to. they have asked us to.

We've spent way too much money there already.

Give it up, declare victory, and bring them home.

DF

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Nearly all of the $20.9 billion Congress approved for large-scale rebuilding projects in Iraq has been spent, as the United States shifts its focus to providing the training and tools Iraqis need to govern themselves, the latest U.S. accounting shows.

In a Jan. 30 quarterly report to Congress, Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction Stuart Bowen calls 2008 a "year of transfer" in Iraq.

The report says the United States has spent about 90% of a fund created by Congress in 2003 for public-works projects, such as electrical generating stations and health clinics.

A separate fund for projects that teach Iraqi officials how to self-govern and manage is flush with money, the report shows. Less than 20% of that fund — a $3.3 billion account that supplies necessary tools such as computers and software — has been spent, and President Bush's 2009 budget proposal contains another $400 million.

From: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2008-02-06-Iraqreconstruction_N.htm

From what I have read, most of the US's commitments are now met. With the violence having subsided and no new jihadists coming to die, there is not much need in stationing the current number of combat troops in Iraq. There will be a need for Air Force personnel to remain since there is no Iraqi Air Force. There will also be a need for security forces for the protection of US assets, training personnel, and citizens in Iraq, so I would expect that there will still be thousands of US forces remaining.

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Nashbama:

The country is stabilizing, they want us to leave. It's time to start quietly making an exit.

We've got plenty of oil in our own country. I think most Americans have seen just how addicted we are to it. We've had our intervention, now it's time to start rehab.

We have to drill off shore and in ANWR to keep the prices affordable and reduce Mid East dependence, but we also have to start developing alternate means of energy so that we can get away from oil. Nuclear, hydrogen, solar, whatever.

Necessity is the mother of invention, and we've quickly realized that getting off of oil is a necessity. I think within our lifetimes we'll see a huge development that will do just that.

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So, you are acknowledging the fact that the War is about oil?

And it is the height of imperialism and arrogance to destroy a country and then make them pay for it, especially when we went their to steal their resources.

We could be off oil in a matter of a few years,especially foreign. To start we "require" better mileage from our cars. The government invests in research and gives tax breaks and incentives to find and use alternative energy sources, safe renewable sources. If we tried we could be off it in 10 years. Wind Farms are being built in certain areas of the US and even in Saudi Arbia.

Drilling in ANWAR, Federal Parks and off shore will not give be availabke for years and will not lower the price.

We need permanent solutions that will not create problems in the future, like coal and nuclear.

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So, you are acknowledging the fact that the War is about oil?

No.

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Drilling in ANWAR, Federal Parks and off shore will not give be availabke for years and will not lower the price.

Funny, the price dropped at the mention of drilling off shore. If we had started drilling in ANWR years ago, we would already have that oil by now, meaning we would be less dependant on the Mid East and prices would be cheaper.

Basic economics, supply and demand. If you have more supply than demand, price is lower. More demand than supply, price is higher. The best way to lower prices is increase supply while reducing demand.

Besides, ANWR isn't a nice pristine federal park like the Smokies. It's a desolate giant sheet of ice. The portion that will be drilled is a very small percentage, a tiny section in the northern most part. There is no reason why we shouldn't be there.

No National Park land is on anyone's schedule for drilling. Some national forests and BLM land (in some western states, over half their territory is owned by the federal government) is on proposed drilling sites. The shale and tar sands oil for instance.

No one knows how much oil of available globally. Russia is not allowing information on her reserves specifically to drive up the price. On announcemnet of drilling in the US speculative prices will drop. Oil will be available from some sites in one to two years. Not drilling only delays the inevitable.

The reason the price in oil went down is manipulation by the market, one of the real reasons for the price rise. A stressed and gullible public already strapped with higher prices in food, insurance and cost of living is being propagandized and manipulated into supporting drilling, that will not be on the market for years it and will not affect the price significantly.

What do you base your claim that oil will be on the market in a year or two Howard? Government and industry sources have said anywhere from 5, at the most optimistic to 20.

It will insure our dependence on oil and the profits of the oil industry.

The land is important to the environment and the eco system, which is already under serious attack and strain by Human activity. Drilling on Public Parks is a proposal and the only thing preventing it at the moment, despite the heavy propaganda campaign, is an informed and active number of people and environmental groups. Also Nancy Pelosi finally bshowing some back bone and standing up to the greed that is taking place.