Should John McCain's Marital Status Concern Us?

Why did Bill Clinton's affair concern us? It concern the right wing christians and republican party did it not? Why should McCain get by on the morals and values that the right wing play on in every election?

it is the height of stupidity to compare bill clinton and john mccain on morals and values. bill clinton is one of the most immoral creatures slithering around the planet.

i can't see how even a clinton fan can call the man 'moral'.

The comparison between Clinton and McCain is dead on neither had any respect for their marital vows and at least in the past BOTH were low life trsh hopefully both have straightened up.

Bill you try to imply Obama is a Muslim which he is NOT and if he was what is wrong with that? NOTHING

Also Reagan DID RUIN OUR COUNTRY,not because he was divorced just because awful policies.

You mention Obamas parents being divorced that is NOT Barack and Michelle.

And you think McCain is extra qualified because he had an EXTREMELY PRIVILEGED upbring??


McCain's so called experience has us in this ignorant pointless ENDLESS OCCUPATION

But without a doubt Obama will win

Hi JJ and Joe,

First, JJ, how in the world did Billy Bob "Cigar" Clinton get into discussion? See what happens when you don't copy/paste -- you get confused.

And, Joe, if I have to explain to you why America should NEVER have a Muslim as president -- there is no sense even going on with the dialogue.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

bill--

there IS no reason to engage with someone who relates to Biden so much that he uses his name. Joe Biden is a consistant loser and a known plagerist(sp) and a racist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM19YOqs7hU
The New York Observer reports that Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., had this to say about fellow presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., during a recent interview:

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy ..."



JJ is a known quantity.

Now how can anyone say, (I am sure glad that we GOT that straight before he became president and Ruined our country) Elect Obama and we will not have a COUNTRY!

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Originally posted by slice:
Now how can anyone say, (I am sure glad that we GOT that straight before he became president and Ruined our country) Elect Obama and we will not have a COUNTRY!

Hi Slice,

The comment about Reagan was a joke; everyone knows he was divorced from Jane Wyman -- and everyone knows he was a great president. He sure stopped the Cold War and forced Russia to bring down the Iron Curtain.

In light of that, those who want to make a big deal about John McCain being divorced over thirty years ago should remember how well Reagan did -- even though he was divorced.

If we eliminate all elected officials who have been divorced, and those who are otherwise immoral -- we would have no officials. Look how old Billy Bob played cigar games in the Oval Office.

On the Osama Obama comment; I agree with you 1000% -- the worst thing that could ever happen to America would be to put him in the White House. That would be like taking a kid who just got rid of his training wheels -- and expecting him to drive in a NASCAR race. BAM! Right into the wall!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Anyone that will vote for Obama even if he has HITER, I mean Hillary running as his VP, has got to have lost what ever cells that are left in ones head.

Reagan was an awful president ran up MASSIVE DEFICITS and did NOT end the Cold War according to myself,Gerald Ford,Richard Milhouse Nixon and many others

Can any of you McCain lovers elaborate on his role in the " Keating 5 scandal"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

Anybody on here ever research just why McCain and his first wife divorced?...... and why Reagan divorced Wyman?... interesting reasons...... I have to admit that McCain and his actions from his first marriage is disturbing,,,, but I still have to give him my vote because I wont vote for racism.......

I am not a McCain fan but to his defense. Alot of people who went to southeast asia were troubled to say the least when they got home. There were a lot of divorces.

I knew a man who went to Vietnam, one of the greatest guys i knew, he killed his wife and then himself.

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Originally posted by Extra260:
I am not a McCain fan but to his defense. Alot of people who went to southeast asia were troubled to say the least when they got home. There were a lot of divorces.

I knew a man who went to Vietnam, one of the greatest guys i knew, he killed his wife and then himself.

Then you didnt read the reason he chose divorce?..... figures..... Vietman was not his excuse.....

I need to do some research but I think that Wyman is the one who wanted to divorce Reagan,,,if true then he had no choice........ but I could be wrong about that,,, just in talking to a few ppl that is the idea I got....... I loved Reagan though,,, so no bad thoughts here about him.......

Wyman divorced Reagan. He wished to stay married. She also voted for him all four times.

If you wish to judge McCain on his divorce over 30 years ago, no one may stop you.

McCain's ex-wife stated she will vote for him for President. Therefore, on that subject, to state you will not vote for McCain solely on the basis of the divorce is to place yourself above the one most affected. That's called megalomania -- god complex.

Maybe she will vote for him.... I hope she does!.... maybe she is getting paid to play nice after all these years....... their divorce was weird....... I am not judging it as you say because as I have said a million times,,,,I am voting for him myself...... but I do get disturbed at the reason he divorced to begin with....... but that is just me,,,, but you obviously have not taken the time to read my many many comments on here saying that I was voting for McCain,,,dont mean I have to like how he did his first wife though........ I place myself above no one..... but when anyone runs for the highest office in our Nation,,,, their laundry needs washing,,, even my Candidate,,, McCain....... read my comments and tell me where I said I wouldnt vote for him because of his divorce..... you wont find it... I just said it disturbed me......... but in light of all that I am still behind him since Rudy dropped out..........

I think my divorce would disturb you too

Maybe it would,,, you running for President?..... lol

Let's see, divorced republican or socialist democrat.

Not a hard decision. Crappy, but not hard.

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Originally posted by NashBama:
Let's see, divorced republican or socialist democrat.

Not a hard decision. Crappy, but not hard.

I agree with you....... but I dont think we should sweep McCains mistakes under the carpet or we are no better than the socialists,,, right? ....... Divorced or not,,, I am voting for McCain....... but I still say his divorce is disturbing and should be brought out...... Afterall.... he is a Candidate.....

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Originally posted by TheTotalTruth:

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Originally posted by NashBama:
Let's see, divorced republican or socialist democrat.

Not a hard decision. Crappy, but not hard.

I agree with you....... but I dont think we should sweep McCains mistakes under the carpet or we are no better than the socialists,,, right? ....... Divorced or not,,, I am voting for McCain....... but I still say his divorce is disturbing and should be brought out...... Afterall.... he is a Candidate.....

Not to be argumentative, but I just don't see what his divorce almost 30 years ago has to do with hm being president today?

Well,,, his divorce was very nasty,,, but no one wants to see that now that his ex has joined his camp..... we are quick to bring out everything on Obama,,, me included,,, so I just think to be fair that is one issue that McCain hasnt exactly told the whole truth about...... he just says he was divorced and remarried and his ex was behind him as President....... either way he has my vote but I still wish it all comes out before it blows up in his face like it has Obama and Hillary......... I just dont want it to happen later on to give anyone ammo against him......... not arguing,,, just giving opinions......

I guess if it had happened more recently I would wonder about it...

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Originally posted by TheTotalTruth:
Well,,, his divorce was very nasty,,, but no one wants to see that now that his ex has joined his camp..... we are quick to bring out everything on Obama,,, me included,,, so I just think to be fair that is one issue that McCain hasnt exactly told the whole truth about...... he just says he was divorced and remarried and his ex was behind him as President....... either way he has my vote but I still wish it all comes out before it blows up in his face like it has Obama and Hillary......... I just dont want it to happen later on to give anyone ammo against him......... not arguing,,, just giving opinions......

Hi Total,

In everything I have read, the divorce was not nasty, but very amiable. Even in the article written by a British newspaper, Carol McCain emphasized this fact, even though the reporter tried to make it look otherwise. Carol said that they were still friends -- and that she believes he should be president.

Doesn't sound like an angry ex-wife to me.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Joe Biden:
Reagan was an awful president ran up MASSIVE DEFICITS and did NOT end the Cold War according to myself,Gerald Ford,Richard Milhouse Nixon and many others

Hi Bad Ex Politician,

You say he was a bad president. History says he was a great president.

You say he did not stop the Cold War. History tells us he did.

Now, who are we to believe -- history or a person who takes the name of a not-too-swift politician?

I think I will stay with history.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by TheTotalTruth:

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Originally posted by Extra260:
I am not a McCain fan but to his defense. Alot of people who went to southeast asia were troubled to say the least when they got home. There were a lot of divorces.

I knew a man who went to Vietnam, one of the greatest guys i knew, he killed his wife and then himself.

Then you didnt read the reason he chose divorce?..... figures..... Vietman was not his excuse.....

Hi Total,

And you, being a seer of all truths, know what was in the head of this man who suffered in a POW camp for over five years? Although there were many ex-POWs who had problems after returning; you, being a psychic, know for a fact this was not John McCain's reason for divorce.

No, my Friend, you cannot know this. Only he knows what really caused his divorce. And, since it was 30 years ago; why worry about it?

I worry more about a young man whose early education was in a Muslim school, whose family comes from Muslim Kenya, who still has family in Kenya waiting for him to become president. I wonder why?

No, my Friend, Obama's Muslim roots worry me much more that McCain's 30 year old divorce.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Joe Biden:
Reagan was an awful president ran up MASSIVE DEFICITS and did NOT end the Cold War according to myself,Gerald Ford,Richard Milhouse Nixon and many others

And Reagan's Pentagon lied big time about Soviet military power, putting out an annual glossy color book each year for distribution to Congress, a book that vastly distorted and exaggerated (i.e. flat-out LIED about) the military capabilities of the Soviet Union. It was entitled, "Soviet Military Power."
The lies in that book have been thoroughly exposed by Tom Gervasi, who published his own version of Soviet Military Power, examining and disproving hundreds of false claims by the Reagan Pentagon liars.

From a review in Amazon.com of Gervasi's devastating examination of the Pentagon's propaganda:

"By Stuart Winer (Boston, MA USA)

Mr. Gervasi has taken a copy of the Pentagon's annual assessment of the Soviet threat from 1986 and filled the book's margins with interesting commentary.
Basically he has ripped it to pieces, demonstrating it to be propaganda designed to mislead the public and the congress into approving the huge Reagan military buildup. It makes sense. We required a formidable adversary for the Pentagon to request & receive its huge budget for the toys in its arsenal. Looking back, the Pentagon's ploy was completely successful.

Mr. Gervasi does not hide his bias towards the left, so the reader must be very careful and keep his or her eyes open. This kind of book cannot be written without motive, so this is understandable, but the facts must stand on their own, and I believe they do.

There are two kinds of criticism that he presents.

One: The details in the book are just wrong. Missile ranges are false. Listed quantities of equipment, tanks, etc. are false, and so on. He corrects the hundreds of pieces of data and makes a very convincing case. Unfortunately non-experts have no way of verifying his claims, so nobody outside the Pentagon can tell the value of this analysis, and those who could verify had a vested interest in keeping such knowledge very vague.

Two: The more valuable and interesting part of this book: He describes in depth how and why the data presented cannot LOGICALLY be true. The core of this book is about the Pentagon's information-delivery-design and how the authors have carefully and subtly slanted their data. This can be demonstrated without any outside knowledge-base. All that is required are good reasoning skills and an open mind.

For example, the Pentagon describes the Soviets as 'leaders in liquid-based missile propulsion systems', a technology long abandoned by the West in favor of vastly superior solid-fueled systems.

The book emphasizes useless and distracting details between Soviet & American equipment, such as the size of submarines. The Soviet's models are larger. But that says nothing - size has no intrinsic value in comparing submarines.

Similarly, they show that the Soviets have more types of subs than does the U.S. But theirs are much older. We have far more of the newer models.

Similarly, in most of the comparisons of this book our ally's militaries are completely left out of the equation, so the US-Soviet comparison looks far worse than any real-world battle scenario.

The book is full of these types of explanations. There are at least a half dozen distinct types of misleading presentations in the Pentagon's work:

The art of Creative Omission.
Misleading focus on irrelevant data.
Apples-to-oranges comparisons.
Incomplete comparisons.
Description of outdated, inferior technologies as 'new and threatening'.
Unverifiable future threat-projections & worst-case scenarios.
And fantasies about SDI-Star Wars, which was never deployed and in historical hindsight turned out to be a complete boondoggle.

All of these are clear and accessible to the lay-reader. Seventeen years have passed since this book was printed but it remains a fascinating historical document and a must-read for open-minded military history afficionados.

Now that the Communist Threat has been superseded by the Terrorist Threat we can once again expect some part of the Pentagon to employ similar methods of persuasion. This time there will probably be no way for even an arms-expert to debunk their claims. Still, as a sterling example of how & why to keep one's eyes open, this book is perhaps more valuable than ever."

See also:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1316/is_v17/ai_3916868

As to Reagan's moral qualities, it is a FACT that he married Nancy AFTER he had made her pregnant. Talk about neglected information! Any peccadillo of Clinton is trumpeted loudly by the wingers of the world, but their Hero of the Century's fornication is never mentioned!

Trust a leftie to get totally off thread with a cut and paste hack job that has nothing to do with the theme. Start your own!

Two quick questions for you:

1. Do you think military intel is hard numbers (ie. do you think we had someone in the USSR counting tanks)?

2. Are you equating pre-marital sex between two consenting adults with the POTUS having extramarital relations with one of his interns in the oval office and then lying about it?

Just wondering.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
And, Joe, if I have to explain to you why America should NEVER have a Muslim as president -- there is no sense even going on with the dialogue.

So, you freely admit that you do not support the US constitution which plainly and clearly states that there shall be no religious test for political office?

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Originally posted by logical:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
And, Joe, if I have to explain to you why America should NEVER have a Muslim as president -- there is no sense even going on with the dialogue.

So, you freely admit that you do not support the US constitution which plainly and clearly states that there shall be no religious test for political office?

Please provide the part of the constitution that "plainly and clearly states that there shall be no religious test for political office".

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Originally posted by logical:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
And, Joe, if I have to explain to you why America should NEVER have a Muslim as president -- there is no sense even going on with the dialogue.

So, you freely admit that you do not support the US constitution which plainly and clearly states that there shall be no religious test for political office?

No. You are plainly over-reaching the comment. Nobody said he couldn't run (which is what the Constitution refers to). They just won't vote for him due to his muslim background.

You are trying to hard for that "gotcha" moment.

Bill, your post is misleading...

1. Jane Wyman divorced Ronald Reagan--she had just won an Oscar and his career was on the wane. He did not want the divorce.

2. Ronald Reagan never committed adultery that either he admitted or we otherwise know of.

John McCain, running on the Morals? Yeah Right

The wife U.S. Republican John McCain callously left behind

By Sharon Churcher
Last updated at 1:45 AM on 08th June 2008


Now that Hillary Clinton has at last formally withdrawn from the race for the White House, the eyes of America and the world will focus on Barack Obama and his Republican rival Senator John McCain.

While Obama will surely press his credentials as the embodiment of the American dream – a handsome, charismatic young black man who was raised on food stamps by a single mother and who represents his country’s future – McCain will present himself as a selfless, principled war hero whose campaign represents not so much a battle for the presidency of the United States, but a crusade to rescue the nation’s tarnished reputation.
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I had no idea of the history McCain has on dumping his crippled wife for the trophy one he got. I've often don't agree with him politically, but didn't question his moral center until now.

What a slimeball.

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Originally posted by logical:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
And, Joe, if I have to explain to you why America should NEVER have a Muslim as president -- there is no sense even going on with the dialogue.

So, you freely admit that you do not support the US constitution which plainly and clearly states that there shall be no religious test for political office?

Hi Logical,

Please copy/paste that part of the Constitutioin which says this. If you have no other place to find the Constitution; you can find it on my web site: http://www.billdory-christian-ministries.com

You will find a lot of other good info there; both Christian (church) and government. I don't separate them on my web site.

Just look down the list of pages on the left side and you will find U.S. Constitution; also you will find other national documents. And you will find an article under Christian America which speaks to the issue of separation of church and state; and on Christian America Links you will find what others have to say about Christian America.

But, don't forget to copy/paste that part of the constitution which supports YOUR argument.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
Bill, your post is misleading...

1. Jane Wyman divorced Ronald Reagan--she had just won an Oscar and his career was on the wane. He did not want the divorce.

2. Ronald Reagan never committed adultery that either he admitted or we otherwise know of.

Hi Firenze,

Divorce is divorce; the family gets hurt regardless of which side you are on. The main thing about Ronald Reagan and Jane Wyman is that they remained friends -- just as did John McCain and Carol McCain.

As far as the question of Reagan committing adultery; like you, I have no idea.

By the same token, all we have to prove that McCain did is gossip and hearsay. I never personally saw him do it; did you? And, I have not yet read of a person who personally witnessed this -- only gossip.

Gossip is as deadly as a gun; like a bullet, once a word is spoken, you can never take it back -- and someone always gets hurt.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Extra260:
I am not a McCain fan but to his defense. Alot of people who went to southeast asia were troubled to say the least when they got home. There were a lot of divorces.

I knew a man who went to Vietnam, one of the greatest guys i knew, he killed his wife and then himself.

What does your Bible say about marriage? Until Death does us part, better or worse? Do you disagree with the Bible?


This is not just about a divorce, it's the fact that a man cheated on his wife after his first wife's car wreck for many years, and says he is for morals and values. This is what the right wing leaves out about McCain, that he was a cheater.

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Originally posted by JJPAUL:

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Originally posted by Extra260:
I am not a McCain fan but to his defense. Alot of people who went to southeast asia were troubled to say the least when they got home. There were a lot of divorces.

I knew a man who went to Vietnam, one of the greatest guys i knew, he killed his wife and then himself.

What does your Bible say about marriage? Until Death does us part, better or worse? Do you disagree with the Bible?


This is not just about a divorce, it's the fact that a man cheated on his wife after his first wife's car wreck for many years, and says he is for morals and values. This is what the right wing leaves out about McCain, that he was a cheater.

Hi JJ,

Once again, it is the foot-in-mouth disease. You say that John McCain cheated on his wife. Do you have first hand knowledge of this (meaning you actually saw this happen) -- or are you just repeating hearsay gossip?

And, I do believe that if you will check in your Bible, you will find that Exodus 20:16 tells us, "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." By the way, that is the Ninth Commandment.

So, JJ, let me ask you once again: Do you have first hand, indisputable evidence, with you own eyes -- that McCain cheated on his wife?

Think about this.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Ok, We know that 'You shall not commit adultery.' is in The 10 Commandments from the Bible. no matter what I say or facts I give you it's wrong. Why is that? Is that how all you right winger are? You try to make a wrong thing a right thing when your people have been caught with their pants down.



What does your Bible say about marriage? Until Death does us part, better or worse? Do you disagree with the Bible?


This is not just about a divorce, it's the fact that a man cheated on his wife after his first wife's car wreck for many years, and says he is for morals and values. This is what the right wing leaves out about McCain, that he was a cheater.



McCain confessed to be adulterer, Bill

But it wasn't until 2000 that McCain, possibly emboldened by Clinton's survival of his scandals, became the first confessed adulterer to have the nerve to run. Now, just a few years after infidelity was considered a dealbreaker for a presidential candidate, the party that presents itself as the arbiter of virtue may field an unprecedented two-timing trifecta.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0607.benen.html
McCain was still married and living with his wife in 1979 while, according to The New York Times' Nicholas Kristof, "aggressively courting a 25-year-old woman who was as beautiful as she was rich." McCain divorced his wife, who had raised their three children while he was imprisoned in Vietnam, then launched his political career with his new wife's family money. In 2000, McCain managed to deflect media questioning about his first marriage with a deft admission of responsibility for its failure. It's possible that the age of the offense and McCain's charmed relationship with the press will pull him through again, but Giuliani and Gingrich may face a more difficult challenge. Both conducted well-documented affairs in the last decade--while still in public office.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0607.benen.html