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Bubba has smoked the weed and thinks it should be legalized. Some of my best friends are cops and most of them say they would rather deal with folks on weed than drunks. People argue against it saying it is a gateway drug but duh, so is alcohol. I think the only reason it will not be decriminalized is the government can't regulate its sale and tax it to anyone's financial benefit.
Should it be legalized? Difficult question. As a member of the LE commnity, I say no. The reason being, if it was legal people would still be obtaining it illegally. Hence, the horrible traffic accident that resulted from illegally attempting to obtain "legal" prescription pills a few days ago. The war on drugs won't cease until all wars cease.
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Originally posted by ronrat3t:
yes because you can make paper clothes and yes even gas from it.god made pot man made beer&drugs who do you trust?


The "god made it" argument is lame, and needs to be put out of our misery. God made arsenic, mercury, lead, cadmium, tetrodotoxin (globefish poison), saxitoxin (shellfish poison), and snake venom. None of these are safe to ingest.

Saying "god made marijuana" don't justify it's misuse.
Yes it is my opinion that weed should be legalized and taxed. There is no similarity between alcohol and pot, alcohol is much more dangerous. There should be no one in prison for relatively small amounts of pot certainly. We have to quit putting young men in prison for these lesser non violent crimes. For one we can't afford it and for another prison trains them for a life of crime.
i have somked the herb. it is not a drug. it was put on this earth for a reason and that is for responsable adults to enjoy. it is also for people with health issues to use to help with their problems. we all know their are many other uses for it . george washington smoked, the indians used it ,i even heard that the constution of the united states is written on it.
it will never be legal because we have a government that wants to controll every aspect of our lives .... .the usa is the only place i think that would destroy a crop that is worth who knows how much . consider the money saved if this "war" was ended and who ever wanted to have a plant for their own personal use could do so. think of how many gung ho rambo cops could spend their time chasing the real bad guys .... you know the murders and rapist. it would also stop the flow of weed from other countries like mexico. we would stop funding the mexicans and canadians as well.it would keep money in the states.
if it were legal it would be regulated like alcahol . i dont think that should happen but it would be the only way because of our government.
ok it does have side affects !!! so does booze ....its legal.so does tobacco,tea,coffee,.. how can you tell me not to use something that grows from the ground.
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Originally posted by GOAHEADMAKEMYDAY:
ok it does have side affects !!! so does booze ....its legal.so does tobacco,tea,coffee,..



Agreed! Sadly (and ashamedly) I am addicted to both nicotine and caffeine ( Ah, those 'ines, breakfast of champions) and although I often partook of the wicked weed in my youth, I never became addicted to it. Gateway drug? BALDERDASH.
Yes, it should be decriminalized, and even legal.

Criminalizing pot and throwing people in jail for possession of even small quantities is one of the most stupid things GHW Bush ever did. (and that's saying a lot). I suspect that a lot of local yocals would oppose it though as it gives them an excuse to confiscate personal property to be sold and added to the city coffers.
Makes you wonder why in the world tobacco products are legal and pot is not---

Yes, I used to smoke it, but haven't since 1972.
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Originally posted by GOAHEADMAKEMYDAY:
i have somked the herb. it is not a drug. it was put on this earth for a reason and that is for responsable adults to enjoy. i even heard that the constution of the united states is written on it....
if it were legal it would be regulated like alcahol . i dont think that should happen but it would be the only way because of our government.
ok it does have side affects !!! so does booze ....its legal.so does tobacco,tea,coffee,.. how can you tell me not to use something that grows from the ground.


From your sentence structure and grammar, I deduce you are probably "somkeing" pot as you type.

Constitution written on hemp? Sorry, that 420 urban legend is totally bogus, dude! The Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights all are written on Parchment...not hemp.

If legal, it would be just about as hard to regulate as it is to enforce it's prohibition now. Home growers of pot would still abound...with reasons such as "that store bought stuff is too weak", and "I can save money by growing my own". That argument won't fly either.

As far as your contention that it is put on earth for responsible adults to enjoy, show me the label on the side of the stalk that says, "Adult use only". Making it more accessable will only allow more children access to this proven gateway drug.

Then, since you bring up the "how can you tell me not to use something that grows from the ground" argument, I'll remind you that opium, where heroin comes from, and coca, where cocaine comes from both come from the ground. They both produce extremely dangerous drugs that rightly are regulated.

And oleander grows in the ground. If growing from the ground is the only qualifier to make something safe to consume, an oleander salad would be a good thing. Be sure to have the number to the poison control center on speed dial before you set down to eat.
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by GOAHEADMAKEMYDAY:
i have somked the herb. it is not a drug. it was put on this earth for a reason and that is for responsable adults to enjoy. i even heard that the constution of the united states is written on it....
if it were legal it would be regulated like alcahol . i dont think that should happen but it would be the only way because of our government.
ok it does have side affects !!! so does booze ....its legal.so does tobacco,tea,coffee,.. how can you tell me not to use something that grows from the ground.


From your sentence structure and grammar, I deduce you are probably "somkeing" pot as you type.

Constitution written on hemp? Sorry, that 420 urban legend is totally bogus, dude! The Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights all are written on Parchment...not hemp.

If legal, it would be just about as hard to regulate as it is to enforce it's prohibition now. Home growers of pot would still abound...with reasons such as "that store bought stuff is too weak", and "I can save money by growing my own". That argument won't fly either.

As far as your contention that it is put on earth for responsible adults to enjoy, show me the label on the side of the stalk that says, "Adult use only". Making it more accessable will only allow more children access to this proven gateway drug.

Then, since you bring up the "how can you tell me not to use something that grows from the ground" argument, I'll remind you that opium, where heroin comes from, and coca, where cocaine comes from both come from the ground. They both produce extremely dangerous drugs that rightly are regulated.

And oleander grows in the ground. If growing from the ground is the only qualifier to make something safe to consume, an oleander salad would be a good thing. Be sure to have the number to the poison control center on speed dial before you set down to eat.


As has been stated before, heroin and cocaine have to be proccessed into drugs to be used. Marijuana is a natual herb that only has to be picked, cleaned and dried bfore consumption. Oh, it has not been proven to be a "gateway drug", just because some radicals scream that it is doesn't make it so.
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As has been stated before, heroin and cocaine have to be proccessed into drugs to be used. Marijuana is a natual herb that only has to be picked, cleaned and dried bfore consumption. Oh, it has not been proven to be a "gateway drug", just because some radicals scream that it is doesn't make it so.



Picking, cleaning and drying are "processing". If you want natural consumption, chew it straight off the stalk in the field.

It's been proven to be a gateway drug to my satisfaction. I've never arrested a meth or crack addict that did not start out with pot.
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As has been stated before, heroin and cocaine have to be proccessed into drugs to be used. Marijuana is a natual herb that only has to be picked, cleaned and dried bfore consumption. Oh, it has not been proven to be a "gateway drug", just because some radicals scream that it is doesn't make it so.



Picking, cleaning and drying are "processing". If you want natural consumption, chew it straight off the stalk in the field.

It's been proven to be a gateway drug to my satisfaction. I've never arrested a meth or crack addict that did not start out with pot.



BUT how many pot smokers never "graduated" to other things? Probably more than did go onto other things. People shouldn't stereotype. That's like saying all Hispanics are illegal, all Jews are cheap, all Blacks are lazy, all Whites are priveledged, and all cops are banty little roosters with a Napoleon complex on a power trip! Big Grin
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As has been stated before, heroin and cocaine have to be proccessed into drugs to be used. Marijuana is a natual herb that only has to be picked, cleaned and dried bfore consumption. Oh, it has not been proven to be a "gateway drug", just because some radicals scream that it is doesn't make it so.



Picking, cleaning and drying are "processing". If you want natural consumption, chew it straight off the stalk in the field.

It's been proven to be a gateway drug to my satisfaction. I've never arrested a meth or crack addict that did not start out with pot.


Then water, milk, Coca-Cola, baby formula, oatmeal, eggs, bread, vegetables, fruit, chicken, beef, bolonga, ham, candy bars, tea, cookies, etc are all gateway drugs according to that logic. Most addicts used at least some of these things before they got hooked on meth, crack or whatever. Or maybe spinning around until you get dizzy and fall is the gateway drug, I know most kids try this.

If you are really looking for a gateway drug, why not cigarettes? I can bet over 90% of the drug addicts you have been in contact with smoked cigarettes before they started doing meth, crack, opium, heroin and even *gasp* marijuana.

Picking, cleaning and drying does not change pot into a different form. Heroin and coke have to be processed from another source to be used. Totally different, but then again I don't expect you to understand.
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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As has been stated before, heroin and cocaine have to be proccessed into drugs to be used. Marijuana is a natual herb that only has to be picked, cleaned and dried bfore consumption. Oh, it has not been proven to be a "gateway drug", just because some radicals scream that it is doesn't make it so.



Picking, cleaning and drying are "processing". If you want natural consumption, chew it straight off the stalk in the field.

It's been proven to be a gateway drug to my satisfaction. I've never arrested a meth or crack addict that did not start out with pot.


But they drank that BEER first !!!!!


bluesman lol ,did you really expect people to come on here and say they smoked pot with the cops in here ? Big Grin
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Picking, cleaning and drying does not change pot into a different form. Heroin and coke have to be processed from another source to be used. Totally different, but then again I don't expect you to understand.


It's amazing to me how dopers can use any justification to support your desired end result. Never found one yet that didn't have a excuse.

I'm glad you don't expect me to understand your ideals. I'm not trying to understand from the stoned, addicted state of mind it would take to reach your conclusions. Big Grin
Make all the drugs legal. Make them free too! That will put all the dealers out of business! Don't arrest people for having drugs or taking them or whatever. But if they get behind the wheel of a car when they are high then throw them in jail for 1 year - MANDATORY. Make all of the rehab places out of glass. Then everyone can see what an addict looks like and what addiction does to a person.
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Then water, milk, Coca-Cola, baby formula, oatmeal, eggs, bread, vegetables, fruit, chicken, beef, bolonga, ham, candy bars, tea, cookies, etc are all gateway drugs according to that logic. Most addicts used at least some of these things before they got hooked on meth, crack or whatever. Or maybe spinning around until you get dizzy and fall is the gateway drug, I know most kids try this.


How many of your above named "gateway drugs" cause an individual to halucinate, or have an altered mental status? How many interfere with the reproduction system of the human body.


Here is a definition you should really keep handy.

Drug:

A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication, or

Such a substance as recognized or defined by the U.S. Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, or

A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.

I don't think the list you provided falls into any of these. Neither does spinning around.
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Then water, milk, Coca-Cola, baby formula, oatmeal, eggs, bread, vegetables, fruit, chicken, beef, bolonga, ham, candy bars, tea, cookies, etc are all gateway drugs according to that logic. Most addicts used at least some of these things before they got hooked on meth, crack or whatever. Or maybe spinning around until you get dizzy and fall is the gateway drug, I know most kids try this.


How many of your above named "gateway drugs" cause an individual to halucinate, or have an altered mental status? How many interfere with the reproduction system of the human body.


Here is a definition you should really keep handy.

Drug:

A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication, or

Such a substance as recognized or defined by the U.S. Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, or

A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.

I don't think the list you provided falls into any of these. Neither does spinning around.
ain't caffeine a drug?
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Picking, cleaning and drying does not change pot into a different form. Heroin and coke have to be processed from another source to be used. Totally different, but then again I don't expect you to understand.


It's amazing to me how dopers can use any justification to support your desired end result. Never found one yet that didn't have a excuse.

I'm glad you don't expect me to understand your ideals. I'm not trying to understand from the stoned, addicted state of mind it would take to reach your conclusions. Big Grin


I think you need to back up and apologize. Don't call me a stoner, doper or anything else for that matter. You know absolutely nothing about me personally. That is way out of line and shows what kind of arrogant, holier than thou, piece of crap cop you are. No, I don't expect you to understand anything that involves simple reasoning. Don't ever insinuate that I am an addict again. From all I have seen, most cops in this area just confiscate drugs from people to use themselves or to supplement their income. Sound familiar, *******?
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Picking, cleaning and drying does not change pot into a different form. Heroin and coke have to be processed from another source to be used. Totally different, but then again I don't expect you to understand.


It's amazing to me how dopers can use any justification to support your desired end result. Never found one yet that didn't have a excuse.

I'm glad you don't expect me to understand your ideals. I'm not trying to understand from the stoned, addicted state of mind it would take to reach your conclusions. Big Grin


I think you need to back up and apologize. Don't call me a stoner, doper or anything else for that matter. You know absolutely nothing about me personally. That is way out of line and shows what kind of arrogant, holier than thou, piece of crap cop you are. No, I don't expect you to understand anything that involves simple reasoning. Don't ever insinuate that I am an addict again. From all I have seen, most cops in this area just confiscate drugs from people to use themselves or to supplement their income. Sound familiar, *******?


Aint it the truth ? The minute you dont agree with the "cops" on here ,your a no count worthless ,drug head ,low life piece of crap ,under their feet .

Im so glad I dont live in Florence now and have to deal with these cops that come on here . Man what a joke .
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Picking, cleaning and drying does not change pot into a different form. Heroin and coke have to be processed from another source to be used. Totally different, but then again I don't expect you to understand.


It's amazing to me how dopers can use any justification to support your desired end result. Never found one yet that didn't have a excuse.

I'm glad you don't expect me to understand your ideals. I'm not trying to understand from the stoned, addicted state of mind it would take to reach your conclusions. Big Grin


I think you need to back up and apologize. Don't call me a stoner, doper or anything else for that matter. You know absolutely nothing about me personally. That is way out of line and shows what kind of arrogant, holier than thou, piece of crap cop you are. No, I don't expect you to understand anything that involves simple reasoning. Don't ever insinuate that I am an addict again. From all I have seen, most cops in this area just confiscate drugs from people to use themselves or to supplement their income. Sound familiar, *******?


You'll get no apology from me. And pray, tell...just where did I name YOU as a stoner, doper or anything else? I dont see "DHS-86" you are" anywhere.

Of course, when you throw a stone into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one that got hit.

BTW, I been talked to worse by 10 year olds, and have people regularly threaten me with serious physical injury or death. You're obviously an ameteur...you cant' get under my skin with words Big Grin
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Picking, cleaning and drying does not change pot into a different form. Heroin and coke have to be processed from another source to be used. Totally different, but then again I don't expect you to understand.


It's amazing to me how dopers can use any justification to support your desired end result. Never found one yet that didn't have a excuse.

I'm glad you don't expect me to understand your ideals. I'm not trying to understand from the stoned, addicted state of mind it would take to reach your conclusions. Big Grin


I think you need to back up and apologize. Don't call me a stoner, doper or anything else for that matter. You know absolutely nothing about me personally. That is way out of line and shows what kind of arrogant, holier than thou, piece of crap cop you are. No, I don't expect you to understand anything that involves simple reasoning. Don't ever insinuate that I am an addict again. From all I have seen, most cops in this area just confiscate drugs from people to use themselves or to supplement their income. Sound familiar, *******?


Aint it the truth ? The minute you dont agree with the "cops" on here ,your a no count worthless ,drug head ,low life piece of crap ,under their feet .

Im so glad I dont live in Florence now and have to deal with these cops that come on here . Man what a joke .


Disagreement is what makes the world go around. Big Grin

I have no problem with anybody having an opinion. Express it as you like. Don't expect me to agree with it, though, and be prepared for me to exercise my right to state my own opinion. If you're not big enough to accept that, give mommy back the computer mouse and go take a time out.

BTW, who said I work at Florence? Nobody I know of.
To get away from the pissing contest, and back to the subject at hand. I have re-read (or skimmed back over) this thread, and something seemed to jump out at me. The only people who oppose the legalizing of marijuana are law enforcement people.

Am I right ? Is there anybody here, who opposes the legalization of mj that is NOT a cop ?
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Picking, cleaning and drying does not change pot into a different form. Heroin and coke have to be processed from another source to be used. Totally different, but then again I don't expect you to understand.


It's amazing to me how dopers can use any justification to support your desired end result. Never found one yet that didn't have a excuse.

I'm glad you don't expect me to understand your ideals. I'm not trying to understand from the stoned, addicted state of mind it would take to reach your conclusions. Big Grin


I think you need to back up and apologize. Don't call me a stoner, doper or anything else for that matter. You know absolutely nothing about me personally. That is way out of line and shows what kind of arrogant, holier than thou, piece of crap cop you are. No, I don't expect you to understand anything that involves simple reasoning. Don't ever insinuate that I am an addict again. From all I have seen, most cops in this area just confiscate drugs from people to use themselves or to supplement their income. Sound familiar, *******?


Aint it the truth ? The minute you dont agree with the "cops" on here ,your a no count worthless ,drug head ,low life piece of crap ,under their feet .

Im so glad I dont live in Florence now and have to deal with these cops that come on here . Man what a joke .


Disagreement is what makes the world go around. Big Grin

I have no problem with anybody having an opinion. Express it as you like. Don't expect me to agree with it, though, and be prepared for me to exercise my right to state my own opinion. If you're not big enough to accept that, give mommy back the computer mouse and go take a time out.

BTW, who said I work at Florence? Nobody I know of.


Don't try to use semantics, you were responding directly to my post and insinuated that I was a doper or stoner. Like I said before, you are a poor excuse for a cop and a sorry excuse for a human.
I think our "system" is set up to profit the wealthly politicans. The judicial system has to complie or lose. That leaves us, ie. "the little guy" out in the cold.

I am a single mom at 33 and in 15 yrs have never been in trouble with the law, until now. I am facing charges for a minor possession. People who rape and kill walk free on "technacalities" every day.

Yes I smoke pot, so. Doesnt make be a bad parent, doesnt make me a bad employee, dosent make me a bad neighbor. I feel its a choice I have the right to make. At least thats what my forefathers said. Gateway, smateway thats bull. I was drinking and smokin my dads Dorals long before pot. Anyone can abuse anything. We are the fattest country in the world. Mabey we should make fast food illegal. Id still find a way to get my "fix". And it would change nothing for the people who dont get off their ASS,"tush" anyway.
Thats just my thoughts, guess thats why Im just the "little guy/gal"
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Picking, cleaning and drying does not change pot into a different form. Heroin and coke have to be processed from another source to be used. Totally different, but then again I don't expect you to understand.


It's amazing to me how dopers can use any justification to support your desired end result. Never found one yet that didn't have a excuse.

I'm glad you don't expect me to understand your ideals. I'm not trying to understand from the stoned, addicted state of mind it would take to reach your conclusions. Big Grin


I think you need to back up and apologize. Don't call me a stoner, doper or anything else for that matter. You know absolutely nothing about me personally. That is way out of line and shows what kind of arrogant, holier than thou, piece of crap cop you are. No, I don't expect you to understand anything that involves simple reasoning. Don't ever insinuate that I am an addict again. From all I have seen, most cops in this area just confiscate drugs from people to use themselves or to supplement their income. Sound familiar, *******?


Aint it the truth ? The minute you dont agree with the "cops" on here ,your a no count worthless ,drug head ,low life piece of crap ,under their feet .

Im so glad I dont live in Florence now and have to deal with these cops that come on here . Man what a joke .


Disagreement is what makes the world go around. Big Grin

I have no problem with anybody having an opinion. Express it as you like. Don't expect me to agree with it, though, and be prepared for me to exercise my right to state my own opinion. If you're not big enough to accept that, give mommy back the computer mouse and go take a time out.

BTW, who said I work at Florence? Nobody I know of.


Don't try to use semantics, you were responding directly to my post and insinuated that I was a doper or stoner. Like I said before, you are a poor excuse for a cop and a sorry excuse for a human.


And you opinion and a buck thirty will get you a cup of coffee at any McDonalds.

You have no idea how little I care what you think. Big Grin

But if the shoe fits, please feel free to wear it. Big Grin
I am not a cop and I oppose the legalization of marijuana. Cops get to see the ugly side of drug use and what it does to families. If I had to see this every day I would probably have very strong opinions on the subject also.

To JDog,
I'm sure you are a "responsible drug user" and only use when your child is at the baby sitter's house, but what would happen if your child were to get hurt and you had to meet the sitter at the ER? Even marijuana (just as alcohol does) impairs your judgement. Do you think you could make an informed decision regarding your child's healthcare while under the influence? I mean no disrespect, I really am just curious.

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