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People have died from overdosing on alcohol, prescription drugs, and both. No one in history has ever died from marijuana alone.

Pot doesn't stink that bad, cigars smell much worse.


I will have to concede to you that I know of no one who has died as a direct result of marijuana inhalation. I also know that marijuana smoke contains 60 to 70 percent more carcinogens than tobacco, and that marijuana users are 20 percent more likely to have respiratory ailments than tobacco smokers, and considerably more than that of non-smokers.

Also, marijuana users succumb to the same idiotic unintended events that other drug users do, and I include alcohol as a drug. Car crashes, falls, accidents with power tools and heavy equipment.

I do agree that cigars do smell bad, but just not quite as bad as pot. 'Course, if you are springing for a nice quality cigar, they do smell considerably better than the ones that have been on the quicky mart shelf for two years Big Grin
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I will have to concede to you that I know of no one who has died as a direct result of marijuana inhalation. I also know that marijuana smoke contains 60 to 70 percent more carcinogens than tobacco, and that marijuana users are 20 percent more likely to have respiratory ailments than tobacco smokers, and considerably more than that of non-smokers.


Are those strong enough reasons to put people in jail, ruin their lives, the lives of their families, increase crime, and hard drug use? I don't think so. Marijuana being illegal has caused more problems than it's solved, it really hasn't solved anything.
If just a 'few' of us cannot agree on how to handle this, then no one else can either.

I say put it to a National vote.
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Originally posted by NashBama:

Are those strong enough reasons to put people in jail, ruin their lives, the lives of their families, increase crime, and hard drug use? I don't think so. Marijuana being illegal has caused more problems than it's solved, it really hasn't solved anything.




Marijuana being illegal doesn't increase crime, or ruin lives, or cause the uses of hard drugs...people illegally possessing marijuana does. If people obeyed the law, then there would be no crime, or ruined lives. If you don't like the law, get it changed...don't just sneak around violating it, and then cry foul when you get caught. I have explained my reasons for feeling that marijuana should be illegal. However, if you and the numerous posters who feel that it should be legal lobby and get laws passed declaring it legal, I would accept that law, and though I would not use it myself, would have no problem with it's use (other than the dang stuff stinks when burnt).

A forum like this is not the place to get the law changed...the state legislature and federal congress are. Moaning and groaning to a like minded group won't get it done...you need to convince the lawmakers themselves. And don't say it can't be done....it's already been done on the state level in a couple or three states.
People tend to rebel against unjust laws. When alcohol was made illegal, the crime rate and alcoholism jumped dramatically. The same happened with marijuana, but lawmakers still haven't come to their senses with it as they have with alcohol.

If you want to cut down on illegal drug use, close the gateway.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
People tend to rebel against unjust laws. When alcohol was made illegal, the crime rate and alcoholism jumped dramatically. The same happened with marijuana, but lawmakers still haven't come to their senses with it as they have with alcohol.

If you want to cut down on illegal drug use, close the gateway.


Close it, yes... Make it legal and monitor it, yes... either way... DO SOMETHING. Right now NOTHING is being done except a few people that get busted ever so often with just a little on them. I see "possession of marijuana" under CRIMES a lot.

I think they should at least ATTEMPT to do something, one way or the other...

One way, the drug lords get all the money and NO ONE knows who uses.

The other way, Taxes are fixed, people have to produce D/L to get some, and that should be closely monitored,

But whatever... something needs to be done, ignoring it just increases the problem.
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Originally posted by bluesmann:
Pot is illegal, but what about the new trend that is going on in most colleges and it is legal in the majority of the states, one that is almost as strong as LSD, with some of the same effects as LSD, ever heard of Salvia divinorum. And it's use is spreading.


Never heard of that but it sure sounds wicked. And kids like it better than they like marijuana? I guess that marijuana is THE gateway drug... sounds like it.

As far as your last comment about leading deaths in the US... it doesn't surprise me at all.
It should be legalized...When I was in nursing school there were many things we learned about the effects of alcohol, Tobacco, drugs,...We all know that alcohol tobacco and prescription meds cause all kinds of birth defects when a woman is pregnant...such as low birth weight, under developed lungs and babies born with addictions but, did you know that pot is the only "drug" that studies have shown no effects what so ever on the unborn? Yes I know its mind altering but there is no way to over dose on it and Yes there is evidence they have found that it decreases sperm production in men.. could this be a form of birth control for men? maybe or maybe not its an idea...but thats got to tell you something all these things that our government has made legal can cause soooo many problems but pot does not...of course being in my early 20s ive smoked it and loved it but im in the health care system therefore my job does not allow me to do so anymore but I see a lot of people that would benefit from pot it helps with nausea (which would help morning sickness or cancer pts)...there is a legal form of pot in capsule form called marinol but its only prescribed in CA and possibly Nevada anyway with as many friends that I have walked away from because of meth, crack, or alcohol ive never had to make that disattachment from my pot head friends and one more thing ive NEVER felt the urge to try those other drugs
Remember poppa Bush changed the law to allow law enforcement to take (steal) any property on which illegal drugs are found. Could it be that mj is kept illegal in order to help finance cities police departments?
I don't think it stinks when it's burnt....or when it's smoked, matter of fact I am gonn start making pot candles and sell them on ebay. bet they'll sell as good as peach candles..hehehehe...
Yes, this seize everything in sight just is not right. There was a instance in Franklin Co. That happened a couple of years ago, that was heartbreaking. A 80 something widow had deeded her estate to a child. It happens every day, when one reaches a certian age. They put things in order in case, she were to have to be placed in a nursing home. Her estate was sizable including several hundred acres of land. Well you can guess her son decided he could make more growing herb than chickens. Because everything was in his name she lost it all,Home included.
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Originally posted by holly62884:
I think marijuana should be legal. And alcohol should be illegal. Smiler


Your post made my day...I raised my two kids on the same advice. I would much rather see anyone high than drunk. I was raised during the time that the "officers of the law" were going around the local schools and churches with samples of pot, giving lectures on the many dangers. They did not bring an alcohol sample, although we all are aware alcohol is much more impairing than pot. Any person of legal age can consume as much alcohol as they can hold, then operate a vehicle. They have to worry about getting stopped, but how often does that happen? i have had friends, family and acquaintances killed by drunks, but I have never been told "he was run over by a pot smoker." Legalize and regulate, I say......
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I think marijuana should be legal. And alcohol should be illegal.



Look up prohibition and see how that turned out.
I think a lot of people that smoke it now would stop if it were legal the sneaking around is half the fun for them.
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Originally posted by bluesmann:
It is one of the nation's leading crops, it has also been proven as to have a lot of medical benefits. Marijuana does not cause near the problems as alcohol does. So should it be legal or not? Please take note I have never tried it, but I have no problems with those who do.


Marijuana will never be legal, it makes too much money, if they made it legal it would still make big money, but not as much.Plus it would never happen in the south,we have too many smokin the stuff in the closet that would never vote to make it legal. it took forever for the south to get alcohol legal because so many were making a good living selling it. and guess what? our churches help the bootleggers by voting against making alcohol legal.
Yet another why it should be legal.

Agents raid medical marijuana advocacy office
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/300191_potbust18.html

My daughter, who knows the folks at CannaCare and supports them totally, sent me this link.

The powers-that-be wasted taxpayers dollars to take pot away from legitimate patients AND get their grubby little hands on patient info. She also tells me that some of the items 'confiscated' (she didn't specify which items) are mysteriously missing.
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Originally posted by alacharger:
NB,

There have been several posts in this thread that infer, if not downright state, that marijuana is not harmful, or is substantially less harmful than alcohol or prescription drugs. See the posts by bluesmann, for example.

And nobody has challenged my statement that the dang stuff just stinks when it's burnt Big Grin

you need to read more, it has been proven that you cannot overdose from marijauna. unlike alcohol and many prescription meds.as for the smell i find the sweet smell of marijauna is way less offensive than cigar smoke.
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Originally posted by spunonion:
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Originally posted by alacharger:
NB,

There have been several posts in this thread that infer, if not downright state, that marijuana is not harmful, or is substantially less harmful than alcohol or prescription drugs. See the posts by bluesmann, for example.

And nobody has challenged my statement that the dang stuff just stinks when it's burnt Big Grin

you need to read more, it has been proven that you cannot overdose from marijauna. unlike alcohol and many prescription meds.as for the smell i find the sweet smell of marijauna is way less offensive than cigar smoke.


Saying the smell of marijuana is less offensive than that of a cigar is like saying you'd rather be kicked in the crotch than punched in the eye. They're both bad, but I personally find burning marijuana smells much worses, especially homegrown.
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They're both bad, but I personally find burning marijuana smells much worses, especially homegrown.


You can tell if it's homegrown simply by smell? You must be a true connoisseur.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
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They're both bad, but I personally find burning marijuana smells much worses, especially homegrown.


You can tell if it's homegrown simply by smell? You must be a true connoisseur.


Naw, is stinks like a can o' sewer Roll Eyes
I like the smell of marijuana. I haven't meant to imply that it isn't harmful, but whoever said so above is right...you can't OD on it. No way. It is still harmful, but so are alcohol, tobacco, pain pills, etc.
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Originally posted by brakefield20032003:
I like the smell of marijuana. I haven't meant to imply that it isn't harmful, but whoever said so above is right...you can't OD on it. No way. It is still harmful, but so are alcohol, tobacco, pain pills, etc.


The post about different the different smell of pot is true. I have a friend ,don't see him anymore,tell me he was doing some work in the crawl space of a house. Now this guy is 50 something and used to have a trucking business that took him to Cal. on a weekly run.
He told me that while in that crawl space he caught the smell of Humbolt Co. skunk weed.[CAL}

After he finished under the house, he went upstairs and knocked. Not geeting a answer right away he (he had heard people moving around) he called out " it's cool I've had skunk weed before" after that someone answered the door and he checked his work then shared a J with those folks.
So yes, I guess if someone is a long time user and knows the difference between the varities, it really must smell different.
Just like the good cigar and a 20$ cigar.
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Originally posted by mackisfor420:
I agree it should be legal... And I don't smoke it. It's very harmless compared to what is legal.


I tried it once, when I was just 22 years old... found out then that I absolutely HATED it.... but the people who do it, are going to do it whether it is legal and taxed or not.
Iranians and Iraqis have hashish to smoke, they dont need any dirt Big Grin


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Originally posted by themax:
Posted 07 January 2007 09:27 AM Hide Post
Hey I just had a great idea. Why don't we drop all the bails of pot we can find in Iran and the hot spots in Iraq. Get them so stoned they'll forget where they left their RPGs.
Guess we need to drop potato chips to.
The "willie herb" as you call it is one of the best things to ever happen to this planet. It has many uses besides the obvious.

It can cure a hangover, and provide relief to those who are really sick. And back in my younger days I thought it also provided a pretty good time. Now it just puts me to sleep!
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Originally posted by themax:
I've stated my position on this in past posts but to hit the high points. (pun intended)
1- A new cash crop for farmers
2- A new source of tax dollars
3- Different grades for the end use, this could be based on climate growing season ect.
4- Better control on underage use
5- Money saved on the hopeless inforcement, could be put to better use.
I could go on and on but you get the picture.


Spoken like a true Economist!!
marijuana make you fat because it make you want to eat.I would like to be a fly on the wall and watch some of these so called right wing christians on a high. For once they would forget fear and might even say peace brother.
So, all this time you dudes had me fooled big time. Yep,you know you are liberal because right winger conservatives just don't like our type. They say we are bad, no good pot belly willie herb smokers who like that loud music.lol. Right on brothers!
Of course it should be legalized, or at least de-chriminalized. I used to smoke it a lot back when, but it was not a felony - a $50 fine, and you go on your way.
As to Alacharger's charge that it stinks, I guess that beauty is in the nose of the smeller. The smell brings back fond memories to me, and I like it.
If you want to make things illegal that stink, cigarettes, cigars, and the Muscle Shoals do-do plant .
Remember prohibition? We still live in a form of prohibition in many areas here in the USA. But... we can drink and not go to jail as long as we stay home and behave.

My view on this... they legalized alcohol, a highly addictive drug that completely impairs your ability to think logically. (I know this first hand, I was married to an alcoholic for 15 years)... eventually pot will make it past all the crap laws that make it a crime to have/use/grow. What a waste of taxpayers money jailing people for associations with pot! I agree with treating it like alcohol/cigs... age restriction, dui, etc.

I won't say it doesn't have any negative effects, but I will say that it is NOT NEARLY as bad/dangerous as alcohol, cigarettes, prescription drugs, or talking on your cell phone while driving with one hand.

In comparison, someone drinks a 12 pack, or a pint of whiskey, most likely the will get easily irritated or become argumentive. They can not process information in an emergency. Alcohol is also highly addictive.

Someone takes a prescription med, it either makes them loopy or knocks them out stone cold, causing risk of not being able to wake up or react in an emergency. Prescription meds are also highly addictive.

Someone smokes a doob/joint/blunt... or eats a pot brownie... they want to chill, get creative, have a stimulating conversation or go to sleep. In an emergency situation... it would ruin the 'buzz'. I'd choose this anyday for an alternative to stress relief as we know it... and stress is at an all time high. Pun intended.

I'd smoke one right now if the THC wouldn't keep me from passing a drug test.

I hope it is legalized in my lifetime. Big Grin
What a lot of you all don't know I think is that if it is made legal is that is will be a TON less strong. They will grow it and process it so it will be about like a cig.
that is if you BUY it. if you perpetuate your own crop from your own seeds, the potency won't be affected. Wink

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