Should Michael Vick be allowed to rejoin the NFL?

I am not sure what abortion has to do with M. Vick and I don't see the comparison. He has served his time. I saw a lady on CNN demanding that he be forced to work with the Humane Society. Why? He has served the time that a Fed Judge has determined was his punishment. Drunk drivers get more chances than he did. We don't make drunk drivers volunteer with MADD. We don't make politicians found guilty of crimes volunteer their time through community service.

The NFL is a business and it will be ran as such. If he can score touchdowns he will be back in the league and his jersey sales will go through the roof.

Should Michael Vick be allowed to rejoin the NFL?

I may be a little out of touch here,but exactly what does dogfighting have to do with his ability to play football?He's done his time.If there is a team that is willing to pay him for his skills then it should be within their rights to hire him.Its not like he waterboarded the poor dogs or anything.

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Originally posted by flotown79:
I am not sure what abortion has to do with M. Vick and I don't see the comparison.

I think he made a very legitimate point that our country has gotten so stupid, for lack of a better word, that we are more upset about cruelty to animals (which I'm also against) than the ghastly murder of a baby. I think it's a VERY good illustration of our warped or non-existent common sense.

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by flotown79:
I am not sure what abortion has to do with M. Vick and I don't see the comparison.

I think he made a very legitimate point that our country has gotten so stupid, for lack of a better word, that we are more upset about cruelty to animals (which I'm also against) than the ghastly murder of a baby. I think it's a VERY good illustration of our warped or non-existent common sense.

Abortion is an opinion.

Sorry for the temp hijack or is this topic really about Vick or abortion?

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Originally posted by flotown79:

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by flotown79:
I am not sure what abortion has to do with M. Vick and I don't see the comparison.

I think he made a very legitimate point that our country has gotten so stupid, for lack of a better word, that we are more upset about cruelty to animals (which I'm also against) than the ghastly murder of a baby. I think it's a VERY good illustration of our warped or non-existent common sense.

Abortion is an opinion.

Tell that to the baby. I've never heard that definition before. Next time a murderer goes on trial, maybe in his defense, he should say, "He wouldn't hand over his money so I gave him my opinion."

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by flotown79:

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by flotown79:
I am not sure what abortion has to do with M. Vick and I don't see the comparison.

I think he made a very legitimate point that our country has gotten so stupid, for lack of a better word, that we are more upset about cruelty to animals (which I'm also against) than the ghastly murder of a baby. I think it's a VERY good illustration of our warped or non-existent common sense.

Abortion is an opinion.

Tell that to the baby. I've never heard that definition before. Next time a murderer goes on trial, maybe in his defense, he should say, "He wouldn't hand over his money so I gave him my opinion."

Your opinion and mine is that it is wrong. So this topic is really about abortion and not Vick playing football in the NFL.

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Originally posted by flotown79:

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by flotown79:

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by flotown79:
I am not sure what abortion has to do with M. Vick and I don't see the comparison.

I think he made a very legitimate point that our country has gotten so stupid, for lack of a better word, that we are more upset about cruelty to animals (which I'm also against) than the ghastly murder of a baby. I think it's a VERY good illustration of our warped or non-existent common sense.

Abortion is an opinion.

Tell that to the baby. I've never heard that definition before. Next time a murderer goes on trial, maybe in his defense, he should say, "He wouldn't hand over his money so I gave him my opinion."

Your opinion and mine is that it is wrong. So this topic is really about abortion and not Vick playing football in the NFL.

No he just made the comparison. Vick served his time so I think he should get to play. It is ridiculous that he has been bashed 100 times more than the islamic terrorists who killed 3000 innocent people in a single day or the white-coated serial killers lurking in "family planning" clinics.

NO.

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by flotown79:

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by flotown79:

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by flotown79:
I am not sure what abortion has to do with M. Vick and I don't see the comparison.

I think he made a very legitimate point that our country has gotten so stupid, for lack of a better word, that we are more upset about cruelty to animals (which I'm also against) than the ghastly murder of a baby. I think it's a VERY good illustration of our warped or non-existent common sense.

Abortion is an opinion.

Tell that to the baby. I've never heard that definition before. Next time a murderer goes on trial, maybe in his defense, he should say, "He wouldn't hand over his money so I gave him my opinion."

Your opinion and mine is that it is wrong. So this topic is really about abortion and not Vick playing football in the NFL.

No he just made the comparison. Vick served his time so I think he should get to play. It is ridiculous that he has been bashed 100 times more than the islamic terrorists who killed 3000 innocent people in a single day or the white-coated serial killers lurking in "family planning" clinics.

PM'ing you in an attempt to keep this subject on Vick and not abortion.

Yes, he should get to play and hopefully not get booed out of the stands. My point is animals have more respect in this country than unborn babies and Michael Vick went to prison for dog fighting but we take an 8 lb baby, crack his or her skull, suck their brains out and then deliver a dead baby and call it humane abortion. uuuummmm GOD help us!

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Originally posted by ngt2293:
Yes, he should get to play and hopefully not get booed out of the stands. My point is animals have more respect in this country than unborn babies and Michael Vick went to prison for dog fighting but we take an 8 lb baby, crack his or her skull, suck their brains out and then deliver a dead baby and call it humane abortion. uuuummmm GOD help us!

Seems to be a no-brainer (no pun intended), doesn't it? For the party that touts itself as the party that cares for children, they can be pretty heartless.

Fortunately, for Vick there will be an NFL team that will sign him. He'll make money for the team and the NFL is big business. Unfortunately, for the rest of us had we committed a crime of this nature and done time in a federal lockup, a decent job would be impossible.

Return to the NFL, yes! I'm certain they need people to mop up in the locker room and take care of the equipment.

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Originally posted by interventor1:
Return to the NFL, yes! I'm certain they need people to mop up in the locker room and take care of the equipment.

Agreed.

Locker room job but then we love the abortionist and doctors who kill millions of children every year, doesn't really make sense to me. Like I said we are a sick country when we care more about puppies than babies.

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Originally posted by ngt2293:
Locker room job but then we love the abortionist and doctors who kill millions of children every year, doesn't really make sense to me. Like I said we are a sick country when we care more about puppies than babies.

I guess it would not matter to you to know that people who abuse and torture animals have a high likelihood of abusing people, have a lack of empathy, are prone to addictions and criminal behavior. Of course that would not matter to you because your only interest is abortion. Children being abused AFTER their births, or being forced to watch their mothers and siblings being abused, beaten, or killed does not matter. Why? Because you can only attach yourself to one, very focused cause at a time. Your righteous indignation at the fact that we as a society find the abuse and torture of animals abhorrent, offensive and destructive neglects to take in consideration that many people who find such abuse concerning, would also share your view on abortion. In some cases people are capable of holding objections to the abuse of people AND animals. In other cases individuals can find abortions AND capital punishment objectionable. Imagine that, holding two views! Who knew it was possible? Shocking in its convoluted complexity and intellectual capabilities. The computer-like brains of the versatile thinker are absolutely amazing.

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Originally posted by ngt2293:
CNN Poll shows 52% say no, but my question is this: He's been punished for dog fighting which most Americans feel is animal abuse, however, you can take a 2-8 lb baby still in the mother's womb and begin to suck and tear limbs, skin, toes, fingers, eye balls, ears, and a beating heart and this is LEGAL.

Boy we lived in a UPSIDE down world! God forgive us.

Yes I know some will say well its legal to kill babies but not legal to abuse dogs? That makes a whole lot of sense?

Yes, I agree that we live in an upside down world. Most of these "pro-life" harpies are also big supporters of the war and killing people. Makes no sense to me!

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Originally posted by David L.:

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Originally posted by ngt2293:
CNN Poll shows 52% say no, but my question is this: He's been punished for dog fighting which most Americans feel is animal abuse, however, you can take a 2-8 lb baby still in the mother's womb and begin to suck and tear limbs, skin, toes, fingers, eye balls, ears, and a beating heart and this is LEGAL.

Boy we lived in a UPSIDE down world! God forgive us.

Yes I know some will say well its legal to kill babies but not legal to abuse dogs? That makes a whole lot of sense?

Yes, I agree that we live in an upside down world. Most of these "pro-life" harpies are also big supporters of the war and killing people. Makes no sense to me!

Hey dubya L, how many babies have you seen crashing jets into buildings and killing thousands of people. You stupid harpies NEVER dig beneath the top layer of any issue.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by David L.:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ngt2293:

Hey dubya L, how many babies have you seen crashing jets into buildings and killing thousands of people. You stupid harpies NEVER dig beneath the top layer of any issue.

So you go to war with a country that didn't crash into your building? That's really bright!

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Originally posted by David L.:

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Originally posted by kperk:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by David L.:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ngt2293:

Hey dubya L, how many babies have you seen crashing jets into buildings and killing thousands of people. You stupid harpies NEVER dig beneath the top layer of any issue.

So you go to war with a country that didn't crash into your building? That's really bright!

We made it perfectly clear. Either you are with us or against us. iraq chose to be against us by hosting terrorists training camps, genius.

He served his time, how nice. Let him back in to become a hero of the youngsters and some will become Wannabes. The NFL needs several more thugs to round out the teams. If that is your thing, then go for it. He will not be a hero to me or mine, not that it matters. He is still a disgrace to all mankind. MHO

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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
NO.

Finally an intelligent answer!!!!

It would sent a horrible message to America that one can ignore laws, for years on end, and then go right back to making millions of dollars a year.

He deserves what he gave his beloved animals.

Well let's see here...Realistically speaking, it does make me nauseated at the income sports players recieve while others are busting their arses doing something that benefit the country in a more productive way(don't get me wrong we do need entertainment).Having said that, I will say this...if a person has paid their debt to society then there's no reason that they have to be punished by not being able to go back to work, whether it be back on the team or elsewhere. Too many companies are too personal when it comes to hiring. Some questions are legit but I know a guy who had been in prison & he said that finding a good job was hard because of it. People make mistakes & shouldn't be punished the rest of their lives because of it. What he did was very wrong, but I believe in the "if you learned your lesson" then society should give you a break. Except child rapist, they will alway's be untrusting as far as society is concerned. That's just the way it is.

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Originally posted by Kindred:

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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
NO.

Finally an intelligent answer!!!!

It would sent a horrible message to America that one can ignore laws, for years on end, and then go right back to making millions of dollars a year.

He deserves what he gave his beloved animals.

What about comparing the punishment you want to mete out to Vick (who I've never cared for as a player) to Leonard Little who was convicted of manslaughter in the death of a woman in St. Louis. He was suspended, served 90 days in jail but was back on the field the following season. Now tell me, do you value the well-being of dogs more than that young woman's life?

Ok, when you get a job, most any job. You are hired by your appearance. You can not be hired in many places that pay well if you have a criminal record. These are jobs that at most pay $100 k. The average American good paying job. We have a football player that was making millions, breaking the law; character is something a well paid employee should have.
Should Michael Vick be allowed to rejoin the NFL? NO

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by Kindred:

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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
NO.

Finally an intelligent answer!!!!

It would sent a horrible message to America that one can ignore laws, for years on end, and then go right back to making millions of dollars a year.

He deserves what he gave his beloved animals.

What about comparing the punishment you want to mete out to Vick (who I've never cared for as a player) to Leonard Little who was convicted of manslaughter in the death of a woman in St. Louis. He was suspended, served 90 days in jail but was back on the field the following season. Now tell me, do you value the well-being of dogs more than that young woman's life?

Two Wrongs don't make a right. Clearly the judicial system malfunctioned in the Little case.

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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by Kindred:

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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
NO.

Finally an intelligent answer!!!!

It would sent a horrible message to America that one can ignore laws, for years on end, and then go right back to making millions of dollars a year.

He deserves what he gave his beloved animals.

What about comparing the punishment you want to mete out to Vick (who I've never cared for as a player) to Leonard Little who was convicted of manslaughter in the death of a woman in St. Louis. He was suspended, served 90 days in jail but was back on the field the following season. Now tell me, do you value the well-being of dogs more than that young woman's life?

Two Wrongs don't make a right. Clearly the judicial system malfunctioned in the Little case.

There's mountains of evidence that it malfunctions consistantly when it comes to the sports world. I'm all for kicking EVERYONE out who has a criminal record but it never happens. I just ask: Why is Vick any different from Little? Nate Newton? Alabama football players? Auburn football players? Mike Tyson? Kobe Bryant? According to Jeff Benedict, author of Out of Bounds: Inside the NBA's Culture of Rape, Violence & Crime, 40% of the players in the NBA have criminal records. I could go on all night but I think you get the picture. I'm just asking what sets Vick's crimes apart from the hundreds, maybe even thousands, of criminals who continued to have athletic careers?

As I said before, I could care less about Vick and it wouldn't bother me if he is booted. I just wonder why this case is so much worse than all the others?