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At least people now know that private messages are not private.

I just wonder about the kind of people who get kicked off the TD forums and then become moderators elsewhere. These very same people then seem to be spying on people on those message boards.
If I was a woman, it would make me very uneasy. Think about it, alot of your personal info is given when you join. You send a pm to someone giving your name and contact info and one of these creeps is reading it.
Being a new member to the forum, I made sure I read the TOS in depth. This is an interesting topic that I hadnt thought about. From the TimesDaily Terms of Service:


"All materials published on TimesDaily.com (including, but not limited to news articles, photographs, images, illustrations, audio clips and video clips, also known as the "Content") are protected by copyright, and owned or controlled by The Tennessee Valley Printing Company, TimesDaily, TimesDaily.com, or the party credited as the provider of the Content."

Private Messages are published to forums.timesdaily.com, which I would think makes them fall within the above statement as being 'owned' by the TimesDaily.

"You agree that any submissions you make to the Service (e.g. Commentary, Photographs) may be edited, removed, modified, published, transmitted, displayed, or used in any other way by TimesDaily.com and its licensees in any and all media, whether now known or hereafter devised."

**ANY SUBMISSIONS**

I didnt see one word in the TOS that states your private messages are private from the forum moderators. Private probably means other members cant see them. I would expect that many forums are this way......
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Originally posted by Lets Go Jeepin':
I do agree that they should be private, I just dont see anything that makes them private.....


I'm with you. I read the terms of service at the forum in question and their language was very similar, just not all inclusive.
I think people aught to know that there are low life creatures who are made moderators who will read their pm's.

I just never imagined until my friend told me about it. It seems that some of the moderators at that site were banned from this forum.
I don't think it's possible to see PMs. I help moderate on another forum. They use forumotion. I've never seen an option to view members' PMs. I suppose it could be different with TD Forums, but I kind of doubt it.

I disagree that mods/admins should be allowed to view private messages. If you call something a PRIVATE message & then it's not, where I come from we call that a lie. Wink
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
I don't think it's possible to see PMs. I help moderate on another forum. They use forumotion. I've never seen an option to view members' PMs. I suppose it could be different with TD Forums, but I kind of doubt it.

I disagree that mods/admins should be allowed to view private messages. If you call something a PRIVATE message & then it's not, where I come from we call that a lie. Wink


Joy,
It wasn't the TD forums, it is another local forum. Not the BOS, and I'll leave it there.
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Originally posted by Jugflier:
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
I don't think it's possible to see PMs. I help moderate on another forum. They use forumotion. I've never seen an option to view members' PMs. I suppose it could be different with TD Forums, but I kind of doubt it.

I disagree that mods/admins should be allowed to view private messages. If you call something a PRIVATE message & then it's not, where I come from we call that a lie. Wink


Joy,
It wasn't the TD forums, it is another local forum. Not the BOS, and I'll leave it there.


my dad always said "you go to hell for lying just as fast as stealing!"
no forum format supports viewing of ANY USER'S private messages! and i'll leave it there.
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Originally posted by willie:
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Originally posted by Jugflier:
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
I don't think it's possible to see PMs. I help moderate on another forum. They use forumotion. I've never seen an option to view members' PMs. I suppose it could be different with TD Forums, but I kind of doubt it.

I disagree that mods/admins should be allowed to view private messages. If you call something a PRIVATE message & then it's not, where I come from we call that a lie. Wink


Joy,
It wasn't the TD forums, it is another local forum. Not the BOS, and I'll leave it there.


my dad always said "you go to hell for lying just as fast as stealing!"
no forum format supports viewing of ANY USER'S private messages! and i'll leave it there.


We have testimony on here that it is possible.
Why are you so defensive?
all "spin-off" forums are on the same format! so, if being defensive means KNOWING beyond a shadow of a doubt that it can't be done..... i'll leave it at that! and i'm not a moderator on ANY forum anywhere! (at this time!) Big Grin

(the simplest way to prove to you and your friend is this: go start your own forum. just the two of you. you can both be moderators and just test the software! it's free! problem solved... questions answered!) Big Grin
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all "spin-off" forums are on the same format! so, if being defensive means KNOWING beyond a shadow of a doubt that it can't be done..... i'll leave it at that! and i'm not a moderator on ANY forum anywhere! (at this time!)



I know people who are moderators on some forums. They have their own set of controls that a non-moderator will never see. Sometimes, there are low level mods and higher level mods, those have more control.

If you are not a mod, how would you know what a moderators capability would be?
I think willie had an excellent idea... go start your own forum. You will be the admin and can see for yourself that you cannot read PMs. I did one for my family since we are so scatted. It was a great way to keep up with birthdays, special events, new pictures and the like. Of course the forum is private, just for family, but PMs cannot be read by admin.
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
I think willie had an excellent idea... go start your own forum. You will be the admin and can see for yourself that you cannot read PMs. I did one for my family since we are so scatted. It was a great way to keep up with birthdays, special events, new pictures and the like. Of course the forum is private, just for family, but PMs cannot be read by admin.


Dade, You are taking it for granted that all forums have the same platform.
Are you a moderator in any forums beside your family one?
BOS uses forumotion, the same as the forum I admin on (Haven). You can look on the forum you are speaking of to see what they use...their homepage should have forumotion in the link or click on the links at bottom of their home page. You do not have to sign on to do this. It does say free forum at bottom of Haven's home page...so probably forumotion.

I poked around in a friend's profile from the Admin side - no option to view PMs. I searched the Help site or Admin Forum @ Forumotion - no dice.

There is no option to report a PM either. So no back door that way.

Sorry, Jugflier, I really think your friend is mistaken. I imagine that either the info was gotten another way or one of the people in the PM discussion in a fink. JMHO
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Originally posted by Jugflier:
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
No


So how do you explain their access to private info that was taken from the site in particular?
Sounds like someone is just paranoid. Like stated above, go start one, invite 2-3 friends. You'll be the admin and you can see for yourself.... had to edit, watching Castle
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
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Originally posted by Jugflier:
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
No


So how do you explain their access to private info that was taken from the site in particular?
Sounds like someone is just paranoid. Like stated above, go start one, invite 2-3 friends. You'll be the admin and you can see for yourself.... had to edit, watching Castle


Dade, We know for a fact info was taken from a PM.
The question is how.
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Originally posted by willie:
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Originally posted by Jugflier:
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
No


So how do you explain their access to private info that was taken from the site in particular?


psychics?!?!


Willie,
I'm content this thread has put a little fear into those who did this deed, and more, it revealed to people who know them just what low life characters they really are. Now they will deal with these people a different way in the future.
One thing is for sure, there are a lot of people you can't trust out there.
AH, I didn't realize the PM was between your friend and the Admin/Mod. Keeping in mind I'm only hearing one side of this & have no reason to believe one person's word over another, I'd say your friend should never trust that person again. Beyond that, I don't know if your friend has any legal recourse. If it were me, I'd start by looking over forumotion's terms of service...

http://www.forumotion.com/en/c...terms-of-service.htm
jugflier, i solved the problem several posts ago.
go to the forum in question. see what format it uses. make one. it will take about two minutes. you have all the power and access. look for yourself. this is an ignorant argument.
you can answer your own questions. in the time you have spent in this thread, you could KNOW for yourself!
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Originally posted by Jugflier:
Willie,
I'm content this thread has put a little fear into those who did this deed, and more, it revealed to people who know them just what low life characters they really are. Now they will deal with these people a different way in the future.
One thing is for sure, there are a lot of people you can't trust out there.


Actually, you two know the forum or person being discussed, but I don't and imagine most here don't, nor do we want to know. It does not concern TD forum members. Smiler
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Originally posted by Jugflier:
No Joy, you were right the first time. My friend sent a pm to one of his friends on this forum. It was read by an admin/mod. On the basis of the info in the PM, this mod took an action that demonstrated that he had read the PM.
His action was then followed by a statement in which he confirmed his knowlege.


Then I would suspect that whoever your friend PMed copy/pasted & sent that PM to the mod, as that is the only way the mod could have read it. Your friend's PM buddy is the one he or she should not trust. JMHO
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
Jug, are you sure your friend didn't give his password to someone and forget about it?

I was a mod for a short while on a now defunct forum (but not admin) and couldn't access anything like that as far as I remember.
If I gave you the name of the Mod/admin and the name of the two persons who passed the pm, you would know that wasn't possdible.
Now, you do bring up a good point though. The mad coulkd possibly have hacked one or both accounts to have gotten the info.

Firenze, If
For the record. I have never given the name of the forum or mod in this thread or in any PM to anyone on this board. I am not momofsix, wrong gender, neither do I know her.
That said, I am sure that the person(s) responsible have gotten the message as well as the casual posters on that board.

Be careful what you post in a PM, people are looking.
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
Jugflier and momofsix,

You two are truly bored aren't you? Here's an idea: Start your own little forum and read each others' PMs! Good times.


Buttercup,
For the record, I do have a forum. It is not related to local gossip, it is geared toward a specific hobby that people all over the south go to.
We have an admin, he is 72 and in bad health. When I asked him about looking at PMs, he told me he didn't know how to use all the admin functions. i actually have a moderator status, but never use it. The board does not require constant attention.
As some of you more advanced pc users know diffrent forums have diffrent user options.The forum admin. most all the time can and will read PM,s.Its a way to "cull" someone.As far as proving anything theres no need it happened and will happen agian at the TS forum as long OriginalBama is in "charge" and running his one man show there!All you OB fans go ahead and rant and rave! I just have no use for a forum bully....
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Originally posted by momofsix:
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Originally posted by Just_:
This is slander....where's your proof???
What are you Just a lawyer? As usual your sticking your big nose in the show! You are clue-less as to whats this is about.Maybe you would fit in better at the food section...


Lets not let this thread descend into chaos invoking the wrath of the moderator. The message was sent, people are now informed. We'll see if people change their ways.

If there is anything tangible to add, continue, but lets not let it get out of control.
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Originally posted by ~Gramma~:
The Shoals Forum,Black Sheep Forum and the Quad-Cities Haven are still going strong and none of the members are going to believe this crap. I may be wrong but I think this has been started by members of a forum that has fallen to the wayside.


Gramma,
For your information I happen to be a member of most of those forums and a few others thankyou. I have no desire to join the Blacksheep forum as I am not involved in witchcraft, necromancy, nor divination.
The Shoals forum is run by a sorehead who was thrown out of here and wants to make everyone else as miserable as he is. He is touchy, quick tempered, and the overall atmosphere of that forum is tense. I have never been able to feel comfortable there as it is clear OB is always paranoid someone is spying on him.

The Haven is great. It's got good people and they don't put up with the crap you see on the shoals forum.
I am a member of those forums and I agree that you a very misinformed about the black sheep. What I find even more interesting is that those of you who talk about the black sheep forum negatively are not members of that forum. So tell me exacltly how it is that you know of what goes on there? Sounds alot to me like grade school jealousy. Talk trash about the folks you are jealous of. Real mature. And you wonder why you have not been invited to be a member?

On another note, I dont see alot of talk about this trash on any of the other forums. Why exactly did you bring it to this one? I hope all the other folks that are not part of this bickering can see this for what it is, trash....
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Originally posted by ~Gramma~:
I don't want to argue.No one can please everyone all the time.If you don't like a certain forum just don't go there.All the longtime members don't have a problem with any of these forums.


Gramma, I agree, I don't want to argue. This thread is to alert new people to some of the going ons in some forums. The two people I have referenced were new to the forums where they claim their PM's were read. Since at that particular forum there is no notification to new members that their PM's might be read, this thread serves as my public service announcement.
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Originally posted by unemployedbyecm:
I am a member of those forums and I agree that you a very misinformed about the black sheep. What I find even more interesting is that those of you who talk about the black sheep forum negatively are not members of that forum. So tell me exacltly how it is that you know of what goes on there? Sounds alot to me like grade school jealousy. Talk trash about the folks you are jealous of. Real mature. And you wonder why you have not been invited to be a member?

On another note, I dont see alot of talk about this trash on any of the other forums. Why exactly did you bring it to this one? I hope all the other folks that are not part of this bickering can see this for what it is, trash....


Coming from you I take your insults as a badge of honor. The black sheep is a loose collection of people around a local writer who writes books about having love affairs with ghosts. It goes much deeper than than.
Jealous, not in the least. I would happily decline any offer to join them.
Ouch, Im glad I dont let strangers hurt my feelings.

Interesting take though, seeing that I dont think that writer you are speaking about is even a moderator on that forum. I actually took the sheep as a loose collection of people gathered around an atheist that lives on the west coast Big Grin

But I know this because I am actually a member of that forum and can see who the moderators are Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by momofsix:
If you want to call truth crap Gramma so be it.Any forum that singles out its members and their friends is a poorly run forum.You have all types of people who post why run them off because they may be different than you?Thats the rule of thumb at The SF place where King OB rules with an iron fist! All hail the King!

It's not the truth and it is crap. Guess you got yourself booted from the Shoals forum. Sour grapes, huh?
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Originally posted by momofsix:
As some of you more advanced pc users know diffrent forums have diffrent user options.The forum admin. most all the time can and will read PM,s.Its a way to "cull" someone.As far as proving anything theres no need it happened and will happen agian at the TS forum as long OriginalBama is in "charge" and running his one man show there!All you OB fans go ahead and rant and rave! I just have no use for a forum bully....


I'm not a member of that forum, but I found it and looked over the portal. It's a FreeForum, not Forumotion. I doubt they can read PMs. Perhaps they are just good judges of character.

It states they have three admins., so how is Original Bama running the show? He couldn't act if two other admins were against him, could he?

You can read the Shoals Neighbor forum if you aren't a member. I see where someone with the initials J.R. stated he was hoping for trouble. Great guy, obviously.
I realize this is not what you want to hear, but I'll say it one more time. Maybe if I don't say it quite as nicely?

There is no option for Admins or Mods to read PMs. I looked. It does not exist. You are mistaken.

If you really believe something happened at a forum that was inappropriate, please go to FreeForum and report it. They have a gazillion forums, not loyal to any one forum, and will give you an unbiased response. There is no reason to NOT do this if you are truly interested in discovering the truth.

http://www.freeforums.org/contact.php
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Originally posted by canade:
I think I understand now. Someone got kicked off another forum and came here to start up a stink about it. Got it.


Actually, I think it's someone from another forum that has run off all their members to talk to so they've come here to stir the pot once more. Some people have to have drama to exist. I agree with Joy. I know for sure on this forum that only the ADMIN can see the PM's because "mods" are the Admin -- there is no separation. On other forums, I trust Joy's experience as an admin to know what she is talking about and if she says it aint so -- it aint so because Joy is like a saint or something -- she is good as gold.
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Found it...

From http://support.freeforums.org/...vate+message#p368134

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Re: can I track members?

Good day.

No, there is no way to do this. This would require the ability to read PMs, and that is something we don't support for privacy reasons.


Now you know. Smiler



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Originally posted by Jugflier:
Joy,
The forum I referenced is on a different platform than your forum.


this is NOT the format for QCH. IT IS THE FORMAT FOR THE FORUM TO WHICH YOU ARE REFERING! can it be spelled out any clearer!?!?!
Jugflier was Edge 540 at another forum, the same one reb got banned from. Admin was there when edge sign on, shortly after admin got an email from reb... one i couldnt post here because of filters. Edge had informed reb he had been banned. Admin knew when edge/jug had signed on... thus making it look like a pm had been read because admin stated back to reb that they knew reb would get the message. Which he did. Admin cannot read pms at freeforum, or any of the local formats that i know of. This is just a way to try to get back at OB,.. and Jug is supposed to be a preacher... Deep Fat would have a hayday with you.
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Originally posted by Trutooit-II:
I'll spell it our. BOS, QCH, and (I think) BS all us Forumation. The Shoals Forum uses FreeForums. Those two that are part of some other site use Social Go. Not sure what Shoals Insiders uses, doesnt' say. Its obvious which one you mean. Yeah, go over and read some post on the open Social Go forum and you'll get an eyeful.
The Shoals Neighbors forums deleted all of the stuff posted that was there this morning.
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
Jugflier was Edge 540 at another forum, the same one reb got banned from. Admin was there when edge sign on, shortly after admin got an email from reb... one i couldnt post here because of filters. Edge had informed reb he had been banned. Admin knew when edge/jug had signed on... thus making it look like a pm had been read because admin stated back to reb that they knew reb would get the message. Which he did. Admin cannot read pms at freeforum, or any of the local formats that i know of. This is just a way to try to get back at OB,.. and Jug is supposed to be a preacher... Deep Fat would have a hayday with you.


Most of this information is innacurate.
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
Jugflier was Edge 540 at another forum, the same one reb got banned from. Admin was there when edge sign on, shortly after admin got an email from reb... one i couldnt post here because of filters. Edge had informed reb he had been banned. Admin knew when edge/jug had signed on... thus making it look like a pm had been read because admin stated back to reb that they knew reb would get the message. Which he did. Admin cannot read pms at freeforum, or any of the local formats that i know of. This is just a way to try to get back at OB,.. and Jug is supposed to be a preacher... Deep Fat would have a hayday with you.


Thanks for clearing that up, OB. You're swell.
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
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Originally posted by Trutooit-II:
I'll spell it our. BOS, QCH, and (I think) BS all us Forumation. The Shoals Forum uses FreeForums. Those two that are part of some other site use Social Go. Not sure what Shoals Insiders uses, doesnt' say. Its obvious which one you mean. Yeah, go over and read some post on the open Social Go forum and you'll get an eyeful.
The Shoals Neighbors forums deleted all of the stuff posted that was there this morning.


What are you? A private investigator.
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Originally posted by Trutooit-II:
I'll spell it our. BOS, QCH, and (I think) BS all us Forumation. The Shoals Forum uses FreeForums. Those two that are part of some other site use Social Go. Not sure what Shoals Insiders uses, doesnt' say. Its obvious which one you mean. Yeah, go over and read some post on the open Social Go forum and you'll get an eyeful.


Hello there ET. Been banned but back again. Getting bored with that goofy blog you and the other girls write? Have you and shoalanda picked out your matching Easter dresses yet?
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Thanks for clearing that up, OB. You're swell.



So OB, exactly how many personalities do you have? I know you have 4 different one's on face book. My guess is that half or more of the attacks on me here have come from his multiple personalities.

OB seems to suffer from multiple personality disorder. The black sheep are famous for that. They make 2 or 3 look like 10 or 15.
Nay people, do not be fooled, you are seeing a contrived cover up here. with multiple posts by supposed different people supporting, when in truth it's just the same little crowd that got kicked off here before.
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
Jugflier was Edge 540 at another forum, the same one reb got banned from. Admin was there when edge sign on, shortly after admin got an email from reb... one i couldnt post here because of filters. Edge had informed reb he had been banned. Admin knew when edge/jug had signed on... thus making it look like a pm had been read because admin stated back to reb that they knew reb would get the message. Which he did. Admin cannot read pms at freeforum, or any of the local formats that i know of. This is just a way to try to get back at OB,.. and Jug is supposed to be a preacher... Deep Fat would have a hayday with you.


Didn't you hear?? Deep was heartboken after being banned here. He ran off and joined a convent. He's known as Sister Jones.
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Originally posted by ~Gramma~:
I don't want to argue.No one can please everyone all the time.If you don't like a certain forum just don't go there.All the longtime members don't have a problem with any of these forums.


Hello again Yankeegrandma. Still tying to stay out of it. You're going to have to work a little harder.
All I can say for all of those that are spectators to this hysteria, be sure to look back at who started this mess. Someone who claims to not like either group came here and fired the first shot at the sheep and brought the war back to the forums.

What a great person he is. You folks just keep that in mind in your future dealings with him. There is nothing like a person the runs in between the hatfields and the mccoys stirring up trouble between them. Ive never considered him a troll until now.....
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Originally posted by Jugflier:
Joy,
The forum I referenced is on a different platform than your forum.


Jugflier, this is not from the Haven, which uses forumotion. The forum you spoke of uses FreeForums. That is where I got the following, the support section of FreeForums, where Admins and Mods go for answers to questions...

From http://support.freeforums.org/...vate+message#p368134 ...

Re: can I track members?

Good day.

No, there is no way to do this. This would require the ability to read PMs, and that is something we don't support for privacy reasons.


What your friend told you is not possible. It's just not. He or she really is mistaken.

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The forum you spoke of uses FreeForums. That is where I got the following...


Joy, I never gave the name of any forum.

But since you bring it up. The vast majority of the attacks I have recieved in this thread is from people whio have been IP banned from this forum. Now if they are IP banned and are able to come and go, create multiple personalities, then it is not irrational to believe someone that smart could figure a way to hack personal info on their own forums.
Infomercial said they use FreeForum (p.5 of this thread). FreeForum will be able to tell you if what you suggest happened. Here is how you contact them. They have no allegiance to any one forum.

http://www.freeforums.org/contact.php

With all due respect, IMO, further discussion of this is unnecessary. It has nothing to do with TD Forums and you now have a viable recourse.

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Originally posted by Jugflier:
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Deep Fat would have a hayday with you.



Deep Fat and I have already tangled. It didn't turn out good for him.


Okay, now that's just funny!

I don't recall any such "tangle" on here, but I'm quite sure you never got the better of him as you're not equipped to do so.

Thanks for the laugh, though. Hahahahahaha!!!!!
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Originally posted by Eastside:
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Originally posted by canade:
I think I understand now. Someone got kicked off another forum and came here to start up a stink about it. Got it.


Actually, I think it's someone from another forum that has run off all their members to talk to so they've come here to stir the pot once more. Some people have to have drama to exist. I agree with Joy. I know for sure on this forum that only the ADMIN can see the PM's because "mods" are the Admin -- there is no separation. On other forums, I trust Joy's experience as an admin to know what she is talking about and if she says it aint so -- it aint so because Joy is like a saint or something -- she is good as gold.


Eastside, I think you nailed it.
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by Eastside:
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Originally posted by canade:
I think I understand now. Someone got kicked off another forum and came here to start up a stink about it. Got it.


Actually, I think it's someone from another forum that has run off all their members to talk to so they've come here to stir the pot once more. Some people have to have drama to exist. I agree with Joy. I know for sure on this forum that only the ADMIN can see the PM's because "mods" are the Admin -- there is no separation. On other forums, I trust Joy's experience as an admin to know what she is talking about and if she says it aint so -- it aint so because Joy is like a saint or something -- she is good as gold.


Eastside, I think you nailed it.


So Eastside and Buttercup. Are both of you memebers of that forum where the "N" word is used as a carma title status?

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