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First of all kudo's to a very capable and deserving LSU team for a hard fought win as visitors.  Nothing regarding this post takes that away from them for if Alabama had of been able to convert one of the three first half field goals everything ease would be a moot point.  IF Alabama had not of blocked in the back on the third quarter interception and Alabama could have handled the ball from within the five it also could be a vastly different outcome so regardless of the point of this post/subject LSU won the game with some awesome playing.  

 

Why then consider an investigation?  First off I knew things were looking bad when I heard mentioned that odds makers (big time gamblers) out west had their money on LSU to win.  There is never any guarantee that an official will be in the place to sway a game or any guarantee that with all the media coverage today that they could.  The one play however where LSU was ruled to intercept the ball, at our goal line, was a crucial call in the game and one which, despite reply cameras I still felt that Alabama had the ball.  They say the ground cannot cause a fumble and although I do not believe this was a fumble as much as a "take away" after the catch the Alabama player appeared to come down with the ball in secure grasp and having possession.  The LSU player was right there on top of him and the Alabama player should have been ruled down with his back on the ground and touched by the LSU Player which happened before the ball was ever wrestled out of the receiver's hand.

 

Should there be an investigation whether or not either the official on the field, that made the call, or the reply official, was found to have any ties to gambling or odds makers out west?  It's no secret that millions of dollars hang on every play of a game so it's natural to assume that the temptation is there to try and get an official, or two, in your pocket.  Yeah I'm biased in that I wanted Alabama to win as much as I wanted to see Trent Richardson have a great game but video is video and after seeing it over and over I feel Alabama was robbed of the ball on that one play.  Granted one play doesn't make a game and had Alabama done things right in many other places it wouldn't have been an issue but for those others that viewed the same game and play do you think that the officials made a correct call?  If not is it reasonable to wonder why or if there might be some external forces seeking to influence close calls?

 

Aside from that issue I can also say I hope that a #7 for LSU has no chance in the  Heisman Trophy consideration.  Even if the drug suspension is not grounds enough to remove him from consideration his blatant cheap shot on Kirpacktrick is surely lgrounds for dismissing him from the consideration.  As I said I'm biased as an Alabama fan but it sure seemed to me that Gary Danielson, CBS Broadcaster, has some kind of thing going against Alabama for his game calling and comments, at least to me, appeared to favor or be far more favorable toward LSU but again that has no effect on the game.  

 

LSU wone with great defense and playing as much as Alabama lost the game.  To hear CBS call the game and comment LSU was clearly the best team all through the game but it was interesting that you never heard about how many shots Alabama had at scoring verses how many LSU had.  LSU capitalized as they  had to on every opportunity presented them but Alabama's defense only allowed them three whereas LSU's defense allowed Alabama at least six opportunities to put points on the board.  I still, regardless of outcome, believe Alabama to be the better defense.  LSU undoubtable though has the best all round team, at least last night and their special teams, especially kicking, put them where they needed to be.  A National Champion should perform in all aspects of the game and in the kicking game we (Alabama) didn't.  Everything else being equal though was Alabama robbed of the ball and should an investigation into why be started by the NCAA?  

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I can honestly say I am nuetral, my wife is a TN fan (personally I prefer NASCAR), but being Alabama residents we watched the game last night start to finish.  I can say, IMHO, the call was correct.  The player must maintain positive control of the ball, which Alabama did not.  There were (I believe) 4 camera angles on the play and the first three I agreed with you (pass complete).  But the last angle (looking upfield from the goal line) showed the LSU player clearly dislodge the ball after it was caught and it was wobbling in the Bama players hand as he hit the ground.  Had he been able to pull it back to his chest and maintain control, it would have been Bamas ball, but the LSU player was in just the right position to recover it.  

 

I dont know why they called it an interception during the play, it looked more like a recovered fumble to me than an interception.  JMO of course.....

Poor coaching decisions cost Bama the game. After the first FG try that failed, why try again? Punt the ball. Or go for it.  Play the field position game. Its almost as if the Bama coaches didn't have confidence in the defense. I saw the replay too Capt,... I'm still not convinced. And I tried to be. 

On another note, Mattheu, #7 should have been ejected for trying to take Dre's head off. Instead the officials called a holding penalty. LSU didn't beat Bama, Bama did. Roll Tide!

I have to agree about the kicker, that has been a thorn in our side. Well its not over yet since we came in #3 in the new BCS polls there are still lots of chances for us to still be playing in that NC game in the end. We just have to do our part and not let this game get em down and lets win out and let the cards fall.

I'm in total agreement regarding the Kicker, and the punter as far as that goes.  That seems to be one aspect of the team that has not received much attention from the recruiters but maybe will in the coming years..  LSU and Alabama were as closely matched as any two teams I have ever seen play (my own opinion) and LSU was the deserving team to win, that night.  Given that Alabama positioned themselves for that many scoring attempts though based upon LSU's two (which they did take advantage of during regulation time) I personally think Alabama was the slightly better defense. Overall this night/day LSU prevailed as the better overall team, which they were therefore since the BCS placed Alabama as #3 between now and whichever bowl game we find ourselves in I hope the coaches have our kickers, and punters, practicing every day.


Regardless of the outcome I'm still very proud of the job they did Saturday and believe the BCS got it right by placing them 3rd, in the nation which is amazing in itself.  IF LSU was to somehow lose one game either in the SEC Championship or to Arkansas that puts Alabama right there in the NC provided Alabama continues to win and play very strong. 

Originally Posted by gbrk:

First of all kudo's to a very capable and deserving LSU team for a hard fought win as visitors.  Nothing regarding this post takes that away from them for if Alabama had of been able to convert one of the three first half field goals everything ease would be a moot point.  IF Alabama had not of blocked in the back on the third quarter interception and Alabama could have handled the ball from within the five it also could be a vastly different outcome so regardless of the point of this post/subject LSU won the game with some awesome playing.  

 

Why then consider an investigation?  First off I knew things were looking bad when I heard mentioned that odds makers (big time gamblers) out west had their money on LSU to win.  There is never any guarantee that an official will be in the place to sway a game or any guarantee that with all the media coverage today that they could.  The one play however where LSU was ruled to intercept the ball, at our goal line, was a crucial call in the game and one which, despite reply cameras I still felt that Alabama had the ball.  They say the ground cannot cause a fumble and although I do not believe this was a fumble as much as a "take away" after the catch the Alabama player appeared to come down with the ball in secure grasp and having possession.  The LSU player was right there on top of him and the Alabama player should have been ruled down with his back on the ground and touched by the LSU Player which happened before the ball was ever wrestled out of the receiver's hand.

 

Should there be an investigation whether or not either the official on the field, that made the call, or the reply official, was found to have any ties to gambling or odds makers out west?  It's no secret that millions of dollars hang on every play of a game so it's natural to assume that the temptation is there to try and get an official, or two, in your pocket.  Yeah I'm biased in that I wanted Alabama to win as much as I wanted to see Trent Richardson have a great game but video is video and after seeing it over and over I feel Alabama was robbed of the ball on that one play.  Granted one play doesn't make a game and had Alabama done things right in many other places it wouldn't have been an issue but for those others that viewed the same game and play do you think that the officials made a correct call?  If not is it reasonable to wonder why or if there might be some external forces seeking to influence close calls?

 

Aside from that issue I can also say I hope that a #7 for LSU has no chance in the  Heisman Trophy consideration.  Even if the drug suspension is not grounds enough to remove him from consideration his blatant cheap shot on Kirpacktrick is surely lgrounds for dismissing him from the consideration.  As I said I'm biased as an Alabama fan but it sure seemed to me that Gary Danielson, CBS Broadcaster, has some kind of thing going against Alabama for his game calling and comments, at least to me, appeared to favor or be far more favorable toward LSU but again that has no effect on the game.  

 

LSU wone with great defense and playing as much as Alabama lost the game.  To hear CBS call the game and comment LSU was clearly the best team all through the game but it was interesting that you never heard about how many shots Alabama had at scoring verses how many LSU had.  LSU capitalized as they  had to on every opportunity presented them but Alabama's defense only allowed them three whereas LSU's defense allowed Alabama at least six opportunities to put points on the board.  I still, regardless of outcome, believe Alabama to be the better defense.  LSU undoubtable though has the best all round team, at least last night and their special teams, especially kicking, put them where they needed to be.  A National Champion should perform in all aspects of the game and in the kicking game we (Alabama) didn't.  Everything else being equal though was Alabama robbed of the ball and should an investigation into why be started by the NCAA?  


+1 for your views and observations. ANYone, Alabama fan or not, that saw the play you mention WOULD HAVE REACHED THE SAME CONCLUSION: It was Alabama's ball.

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Poor recruiting is what cost the game.  How does AL not recruit a decent kicker?

Foster was highly recruited out of high school. During his prep years he made 50 yarders and kicked the ball into the end zone. There were a couple of youtube vids that showed him kicking. He was very consistent in high school.  But the tee used in high school is different and that seems to be his problem. So no, poor recruting didn't cost Bama the game.

you do realize the head of SEC officiating is a bama alum right? and the SEC office backed the call on the field (of course).  it was a bang/bang call, sometimes they go your (2 years ago on lsu's interception that wasn't ruled an interception) and sometimes they don't (this year).  call for an investigation is ridiculous.  great game between two great teams (and this is coming from an Auburn fan).  if anything should be investigated it should be why bama's offense was so awful in OT.  that was pathetic.

Originally Posted by adamryan1121:

you do realize the head of SEC officiating is a bama alum right? and the SEC office backed the call on the field (of course).  it was a bang/bang call, sometimes they go your (2 years ago on lsu's interception that wasn't ruled an interception) and sometimes they don't (this year).  call for an investigation is ridiculous.  great game between two great teams (and this is coming from an Auburn fan).  if anything should be investigated it should be why bama's offense was so awful in OT.  that was pathetic.

Actually I didn't realize that the officials of this particular game were SEC officials or the head of SEC Officiating a Bama alumni, still regardless the intent of my question/topic was simply this.  

  1. Get other's opinions about the call, if they agreed or felt it was wrong
  2. IF (only IF) it was a botched call (overwhelming support for that position) then given that there is so much money being bet from professional gamblers, would it be reasonable to consider an investigation into if there might be some possible irregularities on the part of some of the officials that called or judged the game given the huge amounts being (legally and illegally) bet as the published information indicated that the line share of (legal) bets were for LSU to win.

I'm sorry if it appeared anything more than that for I'm not calling for an investigation or wishing for one.  I trust and hope that all officiating is honest and above board.  I do believe they do the best they can and with such a huge audience TV and all and all the cameras there really is almost an impossibility that anyone could get away with such but then some would say anything is possible.

 

I say congrats to LSU for that day they won, we missed far too many opportunities and made mistakes that put the odds of scoring against us.   I do feel/believe and always will that Alabama outplayed LSU overall in every way but the end score.  Bama had more opportunities to score, they ran for greater yardage, made bigger plays (except for one) and their passing game was more successful.  Still all things considered I've (my opinion again) never seen two teams closer matched than these two.  I hope it does work out that they have the chance to meet again but if not then I will say LSU earned the title and not be bitter about it.  Unfortunate yes but bitter ... no.  I do though still believe that Gary Danielson (CBS Announcer) seemed to favor LSU in his reporting and comments during the game.  That was just one other (possibly wrong) observation I made but that's what I thought.  It seemed every LSU comment was a grand one and not too much to say about Bama.  Again that's just my opinion and maybe I'm wrong there also.

 

Hope that clears up some things about my starting this topic with the title I did.

Originally Posted by OBI Wan:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Poor recruiting is what cost the game.  How does AL not recruit a decent kicker?

Foster was highly recruited out of high school. During his prep years he made 50 yarders and kicked the ball into the end zone. There were a couple of youtube vids that showed him kicking. He was very consistent in high school.  But the tee used in high school is different and that seems to be his problem. So no, poor recruting didn't cost Bama the game.

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Okay, then poor coaching.  Need to get the boy kicking on a 1" tee instead of a 2" tee.  Should have had that worked out long before this game.

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