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I mock the moronic and silly, from the Jehoveys to the Mormen to the Calvinists who are too ill-educated to realize that his theology is toxic and based on a single premise: the inversion of Apostolic teaching. I defend orthodox apostolic teaching, as I vowed to do when I was confirmed.

I find the idea of a puppet master God offensive and contrary to the plain teaching of the Gospel. I am not ashamed of my faith and my frailty in combination. The idea that I have magic prayer that "took" and I need only to remind God of this every once and a while to get out of hell is ridiculous based on the story of the Gospel and the Acts of the Apostles.

Furthermore, I can both read and think for myself. I know an act of volition when I witness one, and dare not think that I can in any way interpret mystical metaphysical language any more than I can Hittite.

I have no secret knowledge. I have only what my eyes can behold both literally as well as proverbially. I am not holy. I cannot convince anyone most likely to leave their hereditary religion whatever it may be, but I can defend what I understand to be the true faith, and that is of Jesus Christ, not by revelation to me from He rather by having been raised in the church and staying there not for customary norms but as a true act of belief.

Finally, the Triburapture is so few in number in the world, do you think that there might be a reason for that besides its novelty and convolutions and need to say a week means a year and that what is revealed to be symbolic suddenly becomes literal in order to make the flow chart work?

Believe whatever you like, but do not claim "your version" is the only edition of anything. Do not cut and paste and parrot and expect me to be impressed. I dislike organ meats, sage and people who sprung up like mushrooms after a rain and suddenly are the sine non qua. I had never even heard of any such thing as a tribulation or a rapture until about 15 years ago. When I realized the proponents were serious I was shocked, but then I realized that it was just as laughable as not wearing your holy drawers, Israelites in the New World in a magic boat, and not having blood transfusions for religious reasons.
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Originally posted by Aude Sapere: I mock the moronic and silly, from the Jehoveys to the Mormen to the Calvinists who are too ill-educated to realize that his theology is toxic and based on a single premise: the inversion of Apostolic teaching. I defend orthodox apostolic teaching, as I vowed to do when I was confirmed.

Hi Neal/Aude,

Confirmed? To what? Personally, I was SAVED.

But, I will admit that I do not have the MLIS which you brag so often about. But, then, I spent my entire adult working life -- working in the computer field -- not in a library.

Ciao, y'all! Y'all come back now, ya heah?

Bill

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Bill, I researched research and fair use lawsuits for a living, minus those hours setting up a database and at the reference desk and mastering the great entire genre of Black Literature.

For my MA studies, I concentrated in the Modern South, specifically religious and ethnic minorities. To get to that point I had to read an amount of history and master working in archives around the country. My historiography mastery is beyond reproach, both US and European.

I dropped out of the PhD program because I was burnt out and wanted to work in archives and specialty libraries to allow me to concentrate on theoretical aspects of recent higher education.

You were a glorified file clerk. I was an academic librarian, two different animals, by the way. I had full academic status and was protected by the university for my writings and musings. You did what now?

Have you ever had 80 freshmen class after class for 3 years? Kids who think that Israel is an island and still under a Davidic Line King? Who refused to read primary sources for essays and got Ds as a result and then cried that it was "hard," when all it was was a series of diary entries translated into Modern English? Have you ever had a girl explain why she missed class so much was because her mother insisted she have her third abortion and was depressed?

I am very proud of what I did as an academic. You and your filing? Impact many lives of confused youths?
Hi Neal/Aude,

I, too, am proud for you and happy that you have had a fulfilling life. However, must you use that to denigrate the beliefs of all those who do not worship EXACTLY as you do?

Give us a little space -- and you will find that we can have a happy Forum community.

You do not have to jump down everyone's throat just to prove your intelligence. Most often, intelligence is shown by what you do not say -- as much as what you do say.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Neal/Aude,

I, too, am proud for you and happy that you have had a fulfilling life. However, must you use that to denigrate the beliefs of all those who do not worship EXACTLY as you do?

Give us a little space -- and you will find that we can have a happy Forum community.

You do not have to jump down everyone's throat just to prove your intelligence. Most often, intelligence is shown by what you do not say -- as much as what you do say.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


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I will defend Civil Rights, dogs and cats, my church, Christianity, my family and friends, my profession and the Academy when a silly old man tries to mock any of them.

To my knowledge, I am and only ever have been a member of but a few organizations: the US Navy Submarine Service, the Episcopal and United Methodist Churches, the American Library Association, and the Southern Historical Society. I am quite content with those. None are beyond reproach, but none warrant any insane rambling worthy of a schizophrenic off meds.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Neal/Aude,

I, too, am proud for you and happy that you have had a fulfilling life. However, must you use that to denigrate the beliefs of all those who do not worship EXACTLY as you do?

Give us a little space -- and you will find that we can have a happy Forum community.

You do not have to jump down everyone's throat just to prove your intelligence. Most often, intelligence is shown by what you do not say -- as much as what you do say.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Pot, this is kettle.. kettle, pot.

OMG FLASHBACK!
now bills so generic he's copy/pasting himself Smiler



Opinions do not necessarily hurt anything...thats what these forums basically are, opinions.
Remember that when commenting back and forth...dont judge people if thats what you preach all over these forums...(you know who are).
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Originally posted by thenagel:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Neal/Aude,

I, too, am proud for you and happy that you have had a fulfilling life. However, must you use that to denigrate the beliefs of all those who do not worship EXACTLY as you do?

Give us a little space -- and you will find that we can have a happy Forum community.

You do not have to jump down everyone's throat just to prove your intelligence. Most often, intelligence is shown by what you do not say -- as much as what you do say.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Pot, this is kettle.. kettle, pot.

OMG FLASHBACK!
now bills so generic he's copy/pasting himself Smiler



Opinions do not necessarily hurt anything...thats what these forums basically are, opinions.
Remember that when commenting back and forth...dont judge people if thats what you preach all over these forums...(you know who are).


if you're talking to me, i haven't judged anyone, except ol bill here, and even then i only judge him as unworthy of me taking him seriously after i learned how intolerant, hatefilled, and judgemental he is in return.
the difference is, i judge only by my own standards, for my own purposes, he judges all men as tho he were christ himself.
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Originally posted by IamShouting!:
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Originally posted by thenagel:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Neal/Aude,

I, too, am proud for you and happy that you have had a fulfilling life. However, must you use that to denigrate the beliefs of all those who do not worship EXACTLY as you do?

Give us a little space -- and you will find that we can have a happy Forum community.

You do not have to jump down everyone's throat just to prove your intelligence. Most often, intelligence is shown by what you do not say -- as much as what you do say.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Pot, this is kettle.. kettle, pot.

OMG FLASHBACK!
now bills so generic he's copy/pasting himself Smiler



Opinions do not necessarily hurt anything...thats what these forums basically are, opinions.
Remember that when commenting back and forth...dont judge people if thats what you preach all over these forums...(you know who are).


if you're talking to me, i haven't judged anyone, except ol bill here, and even then i only judge him as unworthy of me taking him seriously after i learned how intolerant, hatefilled, and judgemental he is in return.
the difference is, i judge only by my own standards, for my own purposes, he judges all men as tho he were christ himself.



Sorry, my bad...I was so not talking about you. In fact, I have re-read some of your posts and I personally dont think that you have ever judged or anything to that nature; I believe its just straight opinions. When I said 'dont judge, you know who you are'...well to me that was directed at Bill. No offense Bill but you do seem to judge on these forums. Sorry if it came across the wrong way.
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When I said 'dont judge, you know who you are'...well to me that was directed at Bill. No offense Bill but you do seem to judge on these forums.[/color]

Hi Shouting,

I am truly sorry you feel that way. However, if sharing the Bible, the Written Word of God, with folks; if telling them that, "He said what He meant -- and He meant what He said!" -- is judging; then, possibly you are right.

However, Jesus Christ did tell us in Matthew 28:19-20, to Go, Make Disciples, Baptize Them, Teach Them -- and in Acts 1:8 and Mark 16:15, He told us to be His witnesses in all the world.

Now, how can we be His witnesses -- if we do not share the Word of God with folks?

Again, I am sorry that you feel that I am judging; but, I cannot stop sharing His Word with folks.

Have you considered the possibility that, just maybe, those who feel I am judging them -- are only feeling a tinge of guilt? Just a thought.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Have you considered the possibility that, just maybe, those who feel I am judging them -- are only feeling a tinge of guilt? Just a thought.


No way.
You are not the "gold standard" of a Christian- nobody is accountable to you, nor needs to look to you for approval. You don't have all the answers.
However, I have told you ad nauseum- you dismiss those who disagree with you, or attack them with sarcasm, threats (ie bring your warm weather clothing, etc) and general un-Christian like behavior.
When will you ever see that your "ministry" is ineffective because your personality/mannerisms are so lacking.
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Have you considered the possibility that, just maybe, those who feel I am judging them -- are only feeling a tinge of guilt? Just a thought.

No way. You are not the "gold standard" of a Christian- nobody is accountable to you, nor needs to look to you for approval. You don't have all the answers.

Hi VP,

For once we agree -- Bill Gray is not the standard -- THE BIBLE IS!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Have you considered the possibility that, just maybe, those who feel I am judging them -- are only feeling a tinge of guilt? Just a thought.

When will you ever see that your "ministry" is ineffective because your personality/mannerisms are so lacking.

Hi VP,

Well, it has gone on for over TWENTY years. So, I guess that makes my ministry OLDER than YOU!

Ciao Y'all!

Bill

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Originally posted by IamShouting!:

Sorry, my bad...I was so not talking about you. In fact, I have re-read some of your posts and I personally dont think that you have ever judged or anything to that nature; I believe its just straight opinions. When I said 'dont judge, you know who you are'...well to me that was directed at Bill. No offense Bill but you do seem to judge on these forums. Sorry if it came across the wrong way.


k, cool, and thanks.. i try not to.. i cna judge wether or not to spend time with someone, or decide wether or not they are someone i want my kids around.. little things like that.. but that Final Judgement?
not only do i try hard not to be a part of that, there isn't enough money in the world to get me to do that job.
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Have you considered the possibility that, just maybe, those who feel I am judging them -- are only feeling a tinge of guilt? Just a thought.

When will you ever see that your "ministry" is ineffective because your personality/mannerisms are so lacking.

Hi VP,

Well, it has gone on for over TWENTY years. So, I guess that makes my ministry OLDER than YOU!

Ciao Y'all!

Bill


wow.. 20 years of delievering souls to Satan because you are so convinced that you hold the one and only truth.. you must be so proud.
my favorite preacher.. tho i do not adhere to his particular denomination (church of christ)
always says things like " what this means to me" and ' it makes me thing" and ' in my studied opinion"
at no point does he ever say ' THIS IS WHAT THE LORD TOLD ME, SO YOU BETTER DO WHAT I SAY OR YOU"RE GOING TO HELL!!!
which is kinda where you seem to be coming from.
maybe if you came off as a little more advisor and a little less drill seargent of jayzuz, you might find people more open to your words.

you've acctually had some really good points, but they were instantly wiped out by the arrogance of the way you presented them..

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